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August 01, 2007

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Zoe

Zoe, would you say Obama's position, compared with Clinton's, puts Obama to the right of Clinton regarding Pakistan

I don't think it's a left-right analysis. I think what you'd call Clinton being "more left" is really Clinton being more status quo, which is a moderate realist position.

I think Obama saying, we can use force to promote our interests if we are acting in self-defense and in the spirit of liberal internationalism, that's an idealist position.

He appears to be to her right and to her left, but that's simply because he's more principled and she has already triangulated.

Zoe

After all, it was not the Afghan Liberation Act Bill Clinton signed in 1998.

The regime change act concerning Iraq did not authorize an invasion. Which is why the 2002 invasion authorization that Hillary voted for was needed. That regime change act did not put 160,000 boots on the ground in Iraq. Don't be silly.

Zoe

How very statesman like,a mere senator threatening the President of a foreign country.

Oh, shut up. All foreign leaders do this all the time. It's a part of diplomacy.

TerryeL

So, did the Democrats agitate for more troops in Afghanistan before we went to Iraq? Or did the socalled shortage of troops in Afghanistan only occur after they were somewhere else?

PeterUK

"Yes, that was my point. You can only escape from Afghanistan into Pakistan is you start in Afghanistan. And you can only divert troops to Iraq from Afghanistan if they are first in Afghanistan. Learn to read".

It is nearly impossible to get the troop numbers in Iraq into Afghanistan,it has no deep water port,it is landlocked you half wit.The only way to get large amounts of heavy equipment there is by convoy through Pakistan which did not permit that.


"I said the exact opposite. My point is that nuking Iran would be stupid, which is why I cataloged a parade of horribles that would result. I didn't realize literacy in Britain was on such decline."

We speak English here Pete.

Bill Arnold

The correction we're likely to see is that "actionable intelligence" means actionable with actions that won't significantly increase the risk that Islamists take over Pakistan's nuclear weapons and that it's a balancing of risks, etc. In an actual Obama administration, early in the planning process the possible very negative downsides of any actions that couldn't be hidden from or covered up by the Pakistani government would be made very clear to the president.

p.s.
Obama Hussein
Hussein Obama
B Hussein Obama
Hussein
??


TerryeL

liberal internationalism my ass.

What Obama is saying is Look at me I am big and bad.

Meanwhile we hear how Bush is just a meanie who went to war without a plan.

What self serving crap.

BarbaraS

Is Zoe the silly little prick who took over threads in the past under other names with idiotic reasoning and insults? I seriously doubt she voted for Bush in 2004. She sounds more like a lefty on a mission from headquarters. These can't be reasoned with.

PeterUK

"Soft power isn't hard power."

How profound,a real Forrest Gump moment.

Zoe

So, did the Democrats agitate for more troops in Afghanistan before we went to Iraq?

This ignores the reality of the build-up to the war in Iraq. I'm not accusing Bush of hyping anything, but there was a full court press operation to promote the thing. It was certainly the case that Democrats made the argument during Democratic primary debates in 2003. I'd have to check. But I couldn't tell you. As I said, I voted for Bush in 2004.

TerryeL

Zoe:

The regime change bill authorized helping other people overthrow Iraq, meanwhile we bombed the country again.

Tell me, do you think that Saddam considered the bombing of his capitol to be an act of war?

Zoe

I seriously doubt she voted for Bush in 2004.

Did so proudly. Would never vote for Kerry.

Zoe

Tell me, do you think that Saddam considered the bombing of his capitol to be an act of war?

Before or after he violated the UN resolutions?

Zoe

It is nearly impossible to get the troop numbers in Iraq into Afghanistan,it has no deep water port,it is landlocked you half wit.

I was talking about troops following OBL as he escaped from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

Zoe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_internationalism

PeterUK

"Oh, shut up. All foreign leaders do this all the time. It's a part of diplomacy."


It might be diplomacy in the Mafia,but in normal diplomatic circles it is called insane.

BarbaraS

Yes,Pete,sferris,same little prick.

Zoe

He gave the speech at the WOODROW WILSON center for a reason. HE'S A LIBERAL INTERNATIONALIST.

Zoe

Just so you know, I have never posted here before today. I saw this place on Memeorandum.

Paul Zrimsek

Soft power isn't hard power.

Ah, so "lesser force" means "no force at all". It seems a waste to send troops into Pakistan when we can get such great effect out of closing our eyes and clicking our heels together three times.

TerryeL

Zoe,

The Democrats did not give a rats ass about Pakistan or Afghanistan until it was politically advantageous for them to do so.

They did not come up with alternative plans, even when they were the majority. They did not deal with Saddam in the 8 years they had control of foreign policy. They did not deal with Osama when it was still possible to find him without having to invade some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet.

They did nothing, but let someone else take the lead and then come along years after the fact and bitch.

And now we are hearing about what a great man Obama is for saying the obvious, we will invade an Islamic stronghold, screw the government of the region, screw the fallout, screw the footprint....

but gee, Bush did not have a plan in Iraq.

Zoe

It seems a waste to send troops into Pakistan when we can get such great effect out of closing our eyes and clicking our heels together three times.

You're conlating. I said we can probably overthrow the government of Iran with soft power. I said no such thing about Pakistan. Nor did I say we should overthrow the government of Pakistan!

PeterUK

"Tell me, do you think that Saddam considered the bombing of his capitol to be an act of war?

Before or after he violated the UN resolutions?"

You mean after he violated the UN resolutions he would have said,"OK bomb the crap out of me"?


"I was talking about troops following OBL as he escaped from Afghanistan into Pakistan."

These are special forces and those trained for terrain,a small number,they weren't needed in Iraq.
You are telling lies again.

TerryeL

Liberal internationalists do not pander to people like Saddam, Castro, Chavez, the NK and the Iranians while threatening people like Musshareff.

That should be obvious.


Zoe

They did not deal with Saddam in the 8 years they had control of foreign policy.

You just contradicted yourself. You already mentioned the regime change act that Clinton signed into law.

You are telling lies again.

No, you misread my first post and then misread the second. I never said anyhthing about the logistics of getting 160,000 troops into Afghanistan. Nor did I advocate putting 160,000 troops in Afghanistan.

Liberal internationalists do not pander

Talking to is not pandering.

TerryeL

My point via Saddam was that Clinton bombed Iraq.... the idea that somehow that was not seen as an act of war by Saddam because our troops were not in the country is beside the point. Of course it was seen as aggressive, just like it was aggressive when he fired on our plans. But today, somehow that did not matter. It is all Bush's fault.

Democrats have this bad habit of just pissing dangerous people off and then leaving them there.

That is what they did with Saddam.

MikeS

TerryeL: Talking to you is like watching a puppy chase its tail.

Well said.

PeterUK

"No, you misread my first post and then misread the second. I never said anyhthing about the logistics of getting 160,000 troops into Afghanistan. Nor did I advocate putting 160,000 troops in Afghanistan."

So you don't need those troops in Afghanistan,so in what way were they diverted to Iraq?

Syl

Sorry--had other stuff but am back..

at 6:10 Zoe wrote something UTTERLY STUPID:

No one is saying we should have hit Pakistan first. The argument is that sending troops to Iraq diverted them from Afghanistan and permitted the escape into Pakistan, which is the current problem and a result of Bush's failures.

No, you're saying we should have hit Pakistan first. Tora Bora was December 2001. Iraq was March 2003.

The ONLY way to have gotten Osama WAS TO INVADE PAKISTAN because he was there long before Iraq.

TerryeL

I am not contradicting myself. I am saying they did not deal with Saddam, they did not resolve anything. Obviously the Iraqi Liberation Act did not resolve anything.

What is the point of talking to them if not to pander?

What is there in it for us?

Clinton talked to Arafat for years and looked where that got th Middle East.

Paul Zrimsek

Soft power is to Zoe what a paper clip was to MacGyver.

BarbaraS

Wow!!! An liberal internationalist for President. If by some slim chance this guy wins the dim nomination and the republicans don't use that slogan in their videos, they would be nuts

Zoe is evidently a fan of Obama's. She/he is defending him so staunchly even to the point of idiocy. But like the left or liberal internationalists, if you will, she/he can't be swayed by reason and/or facts.

TerryeL

I think Obama is a lightweight. Hillary had been making him look weak and so he thought he needed to threaten to invade someone.

He had already made it plain that he was simpatico with most of the people who hate us. So invading an enemy was out of the question, ergo, we make an enemy of Pakistan and claim that since there are terrorists in the wild northwest regions of the country then we are byGod going to go get them. Just like that.

This is kind of tricky because when Bush said things like that he was generally portrayed as an evil and incompetent war monger. So we have to find away to excuse this bit of imperialism...

I know, let's call it liberal internationalism and claim people do it all the time.

What crap.

PeterUK

"HE'S A LIBERAL INTERNATIONALIST."

Now Liberal is a euphemism for socialist,so if we give B Hussein Obama his corect description,SOCIALIST INTERNATIONALIST, all becomes clear.Of course he will pander to Chavez and Castro,they are birds of a feather,Musharraf won't fit into this mould.

MikeS

Zoe, you seem like an intelligent person (and a fast typist), who has hitched her wagon to a falling star.

Obama, made some comments for which he is being roundly criticized. Those critical of his recent comments include, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Cris Dodd.

hit and run

Any way, how 'bout those Yankees? Only 7 back of the Red Sox.

Though the Red Sox just picked up Eric Gagne and the article said the price was too high for the Yankees?

What? Such a thing exists? My world has been turned upside down.

Syl

Heck, there are terrorists in London. Does Obama want to invade Britain?

Rick Ballard

"Does Obama want to invade Britain?"

Nah - he'll just threaten the Queen a little. Maybe lob an Empty Tenter into Cornwall.

Syl

Oh, and Obama said we will only capture or kill terrorists on the battlefield. No kidnapping, no torture.

So how does he expect to get that actionable intelligence he needs?

Ah. I see the Democrats plan now. If we make it impossible to get actionable intelligence we don't have to target anyone or invade anywhere!

Like in Iraq the Democrats want to leave a few of our guys behind to handle al Qaeda. But they won't actually BE where al Qaeda is, they'll be off in the boondocks. Thus they will never be able to get any actionable intelligence.

It's the Iraqi people who give us tips, but they only do so when they trust that we'll stay around and keep the bad guys from coming back.

So if we're in the boondocks of Iraq (or Okinawa) why would the Iraqi's tell us anything?

That's the Dem's plan! dump the surveillance programs--no wiretapping. No nasty spies. No mingling with the bad guys. No intelligence to act on at all!

That'll work! Like, yeah!

Sigh

PeterUK

Syl,

"Heck, there are terrorists in London. Does Obama want to invade Britain?"

Well,we are an ally so why not.Those French get all the luck.

TerryeL

So has Obama come up with a plan to get this thing rolling?

The Congress has been trying to play Commander in Chief for some time now, where is the resolution?

TerryeL

Hey Pete, don't give him any ideas.

Gmax

Couldn't Obama made bigger flames if he had poured gasoline on himself and then lit the match. Seems like if that was the purpose, he missed the opportunity. Otherwise he made himself look more ridiculous than he already looked after the Hill school marm tougue lashing. And the flailing defender of the new choosen one is certainly fun to watch. She takes flailing and ad hom to new heights.

Gmax

Maybe lob an Empty Tenter into Cornwall.

Manchester, it should be. Maybe take out the arrogant Man U supporter if the guidance system is off just a tad. Hey a guy can dream!

Gmax

supporters Sheesh a whole stadium full.

Gmax

supporters Sheesh a whole stadium full.

MikeS

At least Obama realizes that terrorists exist and that we should attack them before they attack us.

But he’s a bit particular about which, groups of terrorists who are planning to attack us, he wants to preempt.

Apparently the really dangerous terrorists are hiding in some extremely remote mountainous areas of Pakistan. The other terrorists, who have followed us to a strategically vital part of the world where they have murdered many thousands of people, are harmless.

Steve

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narciso

Like I said, I'm willing to give Obama, points for at least acknowledging the
problem. Abu Zubeydah, KSM, Abu Hassan
al-Liby, Abu Hamza (not Hamiz) have all
been captured or killed in Pakistan. I cribbed that with some additions from a Christopher Hitchens Slate column. Most of the London bombers, attended camps and madrassas in the Lahore suburb of Muridke.
So did the Trans Atlantic flight bombing plotters. I don't think they get wifi in Waziristan, Bannu, Malakand maybe. The problem is of course, how do you get to them. Musharaff, is a secular fellow, a diplomat's son, but who was a nationalist; see his role in the Kargill crisis. Among the ISI and the Pakistani Army There is strong pro-Taliban sentiment; re the case of ISI General Mehmood Shah, and fmr. CIA
honcho Bearden counterpart Hamid Gul;(this idea even made into part of last season's
24 episodes) they created the Taliban as part of their 'strategic depth'Pashtunistan
objective 9/11. The ISI is an interesting case study in how institutions can be contanminated by jihadism. It was the creation of Gen. Walter Cawthorne, a veteran of the South West and South East Asian theatres; which over a generation was infused with the Jamaati influences of Maulana Mawdudi; a contemporary of Said Ramadan, the 'Johnny Appleseed" of the Muslim Brotherhood . Madrassas reinforce this Deobandi/Wahhabi message through out the population, with the Lal Masjid Mosque and Maulana Mubarabak Gilani; who was tied to the Daniel Pearl kidnapping; and whose followers in Jamaat al Fuqra have a camp in
Central Va! The terrain, on that end of the
Durand line, is as formidable as Uruzgan province; where Pat Tillman went down. This is due in part to the influence of the Jamaati version of Sinn Fein;the ISNA. The Judge Chaudry case, I conjectured, is not unlike the Buddhist provocations in early
1963 Vietnam; specially after reading Mark Moyar's account,Triumph Forsaken; don't think the pressure can't recur again. We
see Deobandi pressure being directed at Shia shrines in Peshawar & Quetta; ironically those were the support bases that the likes of Cannistraro, ran the unimpeded Wahhabi dominated arms and propaganda pipeline to the Saudi/Pakistani
side of the Peshawar circle. Ironically, his experience as a consular officer in Jiddah; a decade before, when Agee had outed him; should have told him this was
a bad idea. Almost as bad, as the British Foreign Office, preferring IbnSaud's over
the Hashemites; which is the real seed of
the problem.

A fictional representation of this; was seen in the TNT series the Grid; where a high counter terror official, deals with the consequences of cultivating a former Kuwaiti mujahadeen turned Al Queda planner, Youssef Nazariyah "Joseph of Nazareth" who directs a series of plots against the UK, Nigeria; and most prophetically a hotel in Amman be driven again. A similar back story
is seen in Robert Littell's The Company, where the CIA's men on the ground, erroneously empower the likes of Abdullah Azzam, Osama's mentor.

Needless to say, we won't be receiving too many flowers; if we venture in that direction.

maryerose

Murtha's resolution -didn't even make it to the floor.His comment"Nancy's always supported me before..." Unfortunately he hasn't tangled with Lee, Tauscher and Walters.. They cashiered his idea rather quickly to pass Schipp's or whatever that healthcare program is called. Reid can't guarantee a definite vote on the FISA bill-what a loser. Just because he didn't come up with the idea and was caught flat-footed.

Jane

"HE'S A LIBERAL INTERNATIONALIST."

I love it when the left makes up new characterizations, as if they mean something. I bet that phrase was included in the Kos talking points. How quaint.

(So everyone knows about the collapsed bridge in Minneapolis, right?)

Cecil Turner

How exactly is Obama stupid for saying a possible invasion is on the table with regard to Pakistan, but everyone else is supersmart for saying a nuclear attack is on the table with regard to Iran?

An invasion of Iran is perfectly feasible. We've got an army right next door, and all the logistical infrastructure in place. An invasion of Pakistan is impractical going on impossible. Suggesting the former is a question of whether you think it's a good idea . . . suggesting the latter makes one stupid. An attack with nukes is perfectly feasible in either instance, though I suspect most folks wouldn't think it was a good idea. You've been invited several times to take a look at a map, and I recommend doing so before making further apples-and-oranges comparisons.

hoosierhoops

Yeah, and newsflash, instead of doing that, he invaded iraq for NO GOSH-DARNED REASON!!!!!!! WITHOUT PLANNING PROPERLY!!! AND NOT ENOUGH TROOPS!!! Which Obama opposed. Whoops! I guess they're not the same.

And now I go.

Posted by: Zoe |
But..but ..you voted for Bush in 2004..Was that a principled stand?
Voter remorse? Don't worry we won't hold that against you..( snicker..snicker..times get hard in war and support melts away..)
I've never voted GOP..( well Reagan once cause i hate Carter )..But our family supports our President during time of war..
We are Americans first..political second..
And never 2nd guessing whinning, Know everything hacks that couldn't formulate foreign policy or stick to a principle if it smacked them in the face..Talk is cheap Zoe dear..20/20 vision is even cheaper..Hell if I'd known that google would
own the tech world 10 years ago..I could finally have a carbon footprint bigger than Gore..kindof pisses me off..
________________________________
Well enough of that..To my JOMer friends..
Our family just returned from California to say goodby to our Marine Son leaving for Iraq...On Sunday they told us it was pushed back to Oct.8th. His unit is pissed off..they just want to go and get it over with..the tension is very thick...
I hope he never goes..but when he does we are behind him a 1000%...Please say a prayer tonight for those that stand up to the evil in this world..Our marines fight for all of us..

Semanticleo

"Please say a prayer tonight for those that stand up to the evil in this world..Our marines fight for all of us.."

I'll say one.

My son just took his oath @ M.E.Ps in
San Diego and goes to basic 10/15.

The good news is he was hell-bent on Infantry, but took INTEL instead. He's wanted to be a Marine since age 8,(to our consternation) but life is, what it is.

hit and run

Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly:

I know I'm going to regret saying this, but I think John Podhoretz hits pretty close to the mark here

What did JPod say? His conclusion:

....Obama is using Pakistan to talk tough, in the full knowledge that he will never actually pull the trigger.

Drum unsurprisingly agonized with the fact that he was agreeing with JPod, but himself concludes:

I understand the political imperative to sound tough, but on a substantive level there's less here than meets the eye.

Without any intent (or means) to further agonize Drum, I will just say that I agree with him.

It's the cynicism, baby!

hit and run

hoosier, your son and you and your family are in my prayers.

Semanticleo, yours as well.

Semanticleo

Thanks, HR.

PeterUK

"...Obama is using Pakistan to talk tough, in the full knowledge that he will never actually pull the trigger."


Tough guys don't talk tough,they do tough,only feeble little weeds talk like B Hussein Obama.

BarbaraS

I seriously doubt she voted for Bush in 2004.

Did so proudly. Would never vote for Kerry.

Posted by: Zoe | August 01, 2007 at 06:58 PM

But from your arguments on this thread I'll bet you would vote for Obama which would be a 180 degree change from 2004 if you are not lying but I think you are. One thing about the left is that they never let the truth obscure their agenda.

PeterUK

HH Semantic
Prayers for a Soldier Take your pick.

RichatUF

This sounds like a page out of the Clinton play book from 1992. IIRC, both Clinton and Gore "talked tough" about Hussein and then justed hoped the matter would go away (coup attempts, sanctions). Bill Clinton's problem was he would call in his clean-up hitter when the going got tough.

This is an interesting window into Obama's thinking, and maybe a fatal flaw. The "indolentprince" comes to mind, and the campaign season is quite early

hoosierhoops

Thanks PeterUK and Hit & Run...
You and many others here are good people...

MikeS

Wow! Way to go Semanticleo. I know the Hoopster is very proud of his son and I’m sure you are too. Both of those young me have made the decision to stand up for and protect the rest of us, and it really is no hollow promise. I hope you don’t mind if I add their families to my prayers as well.

I was in the Marine Corps along with one of my brothers. I have another brother who was in the Army at the same time. They say, “Once a Marine always a Marine.” I must say this does seem to be so, though I don’t know why.

Regards,

clarice

God Bless and keep him close, Semantic.

PeterUK

For these also

royf

Zoe

He didn't say that. He said if they're allies, they should act like it.

Is that sort of like President Bush saying "you are either with us or your against us". I'm just wondering because the President has been ridiculed for that statement, I personally agree with that thought but the fact is our operations in Afghanistan will be next to impossible without Mushareff's help with logistics.

Semanticleo

Many thanks for the kind words, everyone.

royf

Semanticleo & hoosierhoops

I hope and pray your sons stay safe. I have the upmost respect for the men and women who volunteer to defend this great country, This country and its culture are worth defending.

I'm a ex Marine and their training is second to none. "Where do we find men such as these".

lurker

Sem, God bless you, your son, and your family. All the best to all of you. I will pray for him.

lurker

Sem, God bless you, your son, and your family. All the best to all of you. I will pray for him.

TerryeL

Hey, I feel for anyone who has family going off to the military. It is always scary. Even the training is scary.

Good luck to them and God bless.

Jane

Semanticleo & hoosierhoops,

I'll be thinking of your boys in the coming months. My pride in the soldiers just gets bigger and bigger every day.

hit and run

Did we comment on Nancy Boyda?

The KS congresswoman that was in an Armed Services briefing with retired Gen. Jack Keane.

When Gen. Keane began discussing the progress made in Iraq, she got up and walked out. When she returned to the briefing, she commented:

And I just will make some statements more for the record based on what I heard from—mainly from General Keane. As many of us—there was only so much that you could take until we in fact had to leave the room for a while. So I think I am back and maybe can articulate some things—after so much of the frustration of having to listen to what we listened to.

But let me first just say that the description of Iraq as in some way or another that it's a place that I might take the family for a vacation—things are going so well—those kinds of comments will in fact show up in the media and further divide this country instead of saying, here's the reality of the problem. And people, we have to come together and deal with the reality of this issue.


She needs to get in touch with Obama. She was obviously the victim of Gen. Keane's verbal violence and she certainly can forsee it coarsening the culture. And she would be in good company with the Senator from Illinois, he will be particularly interested in her ability to display an Audacity of Cynicism with such flair.

Cliff May also picks up on the Boyda as self-proclaimed victim.

No, Congressman Boyda, you're not in Kansas anymore.

MikeS

What I don't get is where Congress woman Boyda gets her information on Iraq?

If she won't accept analysis from the military, the NIE, or outside experts such as Gen. Keane, or even O'Hanlon and Pollack, from where is she getting her information?

kim

All Sunni, narciso; is there any friction because the Pakis are Indian and the Wahabbi Arab?
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kim

Boyda? Not a Blue Dog in Blue Dog Country. Prawly trying to attract enough attention so bigger money will help her next year. And Obama's Mama mighta been a neighba.
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kim

Obama's a diplomat; how better to unite Islam against us than to simultaneously threaten Pakistan and Iran. It would be good to have a better hold of Afghanistan were we to do that. For that matter, the same holds in Iraq. I've been reading about Louis XIV supporting the Turks at the Gates of Vienna; it damaged the Emperor, you see.
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kim

It always has been curious, the focus on Tora Bora and our failure to nail the perp. Of course, the talking point has both the strength of obvious truth, but the weakness of being functionally untrue. There is a parallel to the WMD issue. Now, with Obama pushing to the logical consequence of the focus on TB and ObL, he reaches an absurdity.

And a dangerous one, at that. He's young; he'll learn.
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PeterUK

Boyda,Murtha,Obama,what is it with people whose names en in "a"?
Bur doesn't Boyda have a duty to her electorate to hear and at least try to understand the issues?

PeterUK

"If she won't accept analysis from the military, the NIE, or outside experts such as Gen. Keane, or even O'Hanlon and Pollack, from where is she getting her information?"

It's about feeling,she conceptualises the issue then intuitively comes up with the truth,facts are simply an impediment to this process.

Topsecretk9

God love him ---especially love the silly, poor baby headline

Bush Insults BBC Political Editor at Press Conference

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003619296

hit and run

Me:
No, Congressman Boyda, you're not in Kansas anymore.


Yikes! Unintentional Verbal Violence!

Congresswoman.

Unintentional, you say? Yes, I got it right at the beginning of the comment.

But I am sure that it is revelatory of a deep, hidden, inner desire for patriarchal dominance and oppression.

For that, I am deeply, openly and outwardly desirous for gender reconciliation.

Oh, and I'm sorry.

hit and run

For that, I am deeply, openly and outwardly desirous for gender reconciliation.


OH!!!! And mrs hit and run and the kids come home 2nite!!!!!

I'm absolutely giddy.

Butterflies in the stomach and everything.

17 days, it's been.

The gender reconciliation, at least my direct participation in it, will have to take a back seat to family reunification.

hit and run

Whoa.

The last two Thanksgivigs we've driven to DC. The prospect of doing so again just took a decided nosedive.

Not the prospect of spending Thanksgiving in DC.

Driving there.


Amtrak Offers Free Booze

WASHINGTON (AP) - Amtrak is trying to gin up new business by offering $100 in free alcohol to customers on some overnight trains.

The national passenger rail company is making the unusual offer to promote a new high-end service being offered on a trial basis for certain sleeper car trips.

Members of Amtrak's guest rewards program—the railroad equivalent of frequent fliers—can get a $100 per person credit for alcohol between November and January.


Choo. Choo. Baby.

maryerose

H&r: What a relief! We are all glad your family is home too!
Cleo_ & HH:
Your sons are in my prayers.
Cleo_ I don't think you would get this kind of support from other blogs. I now understand your posts better.

clarice

Drudge on Obama's latest:
"Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons 'in any circumstance'... 'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,' Obama said, with a pause, 'involving civilians' Then he quickly added, 'Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table'... "

Since I think Hillary will be compelled to put him on her ticket, I think we should do a UTube question asking her whether she'd feel compelled to select as her veep someone who shared her views on national defense and international affairs. After all, those are the pressing issues...not day care for 2 year old...and we need a veep who has stonr views on national defense in case the President is incapacitated.

bubarooni

cheneybush and the neocon warpigs have squandered and pocketed hundreds of billions of dollars in iraq instead of fixing the infrastucture of this country. the responsibility of the tragic deaths of our fellow minnesotans are on their greedy, grubby, blood-stained hands.

bubarooni

rats!

i forgot it doesn't like '<', '>' signs.

first line should read:

(new meme)

HoosierHoops

cheneybush and the neocon warpigs have squandered and pocketed hundreds of billions of dollars in iraq instead of fixing the infrastucture of this country. the responsibility of the tragic deaths of our fellow minnesotans are on their greedy, grubby, blood-stained hands.

Well Bubby.. I know emotions are high right now and your first reflex is to point your finger at you percieve as the nearest villian around..Take a deep Breathe..
Bush isn't responsible for your bridge..Your state is..not only in the design (poor), Construction and continual inspection and repair..The Fed's came and inspected the bridge and it's finding can be found on-line.
Actually, Minnesota ranks 11th in bridge quality..So that's now bad at all..
This was a tragity that happened on the states watch regardless of Iraq or Bush or anyother problem...

PeterUK

Buffarooni,
Cut! You blew your entrance,go back and do it again.

Jane

Well it's all Bush's fault, that goes without saying.

HoosierHoops

jeez...you think i could have done some spell-checking before i posted..sorry about that...Good luck Bubby surviving your little 'meme' here.. Me thinks you only dropped in to throw a bomb and run away..
Ahh. the land of the brave...

hit and run

Say what you will, Obama got Hillary to tap dance on this one...from you know who I'm gonna quote don't you?

Hillary Clinton: I Actually Opposed Going Into Pakistan, Before I Supported It

Hillary Clinton: FLIP...

July 27 : US Democratic presidential candidate and New York Senator Hillary Clinton has rejected suggestions of a unilateral US strike in Pakistan's tribal region, American troops should accompany Pakistan troops.

Addressing a fund-raising dinner organised by the National Association of Pakistani-Americans, Hillary said a unilateral US strike would not produce the desired results, but would create fresh problems.

Only a combined effort could destroy militant hideouts in the area, she added.

...FLOP:

But she did not rule out U.S. attacks inside Pakistan, citing the missile attacks her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, ordered against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998.

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured," she said.

The first comment is from July 27, the second from August 1. Way to go, Senator.

Jane

H&R,

Isn't that just vintage Bubba? Altho he used to flip flop on the same issue on the same day, depending on the audience - and the media didn't care then either.

PeterUK

Bridge rated "structurally deficient" in 2005 probably in need of replacement.

clarice

I doubt George Washington could survive with his rep intact one of these stupid never ending UTubed campaigns, with candidates having appeal to an outre base in the primaries and a more sensible moderate public in the general election.

And I say that thinking all the Dem candidates are truly third raters at the outset.

PeterUK

"If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured," she(Hillary Clinton) said.

"Ensure" is such a positive word,redolent with personal responsibility,a word in this context we should cherish and remember.
No hanky panky in the Oval Office to distract this girl,the Aspirin factories of the Middle East are safe with Hillary.

bubarooni

(new meme)

cheneybush and the neocon warpigs have squandered and pocketed hundreds of billions of dollars in iraq instead of fixing the infrastucture of this country. the responsibility of the tragic deaths of our fellow minnesotans are on their greedy, grubby, blood-stained hands.

grrrrr!

ok, maybe i should've visited du or kos and got the latest terms to make it sound more authentic and up to date. anyhow, i predict within the next few days, this will be the new meme. i'm actually a hoosier myself.

maryerose

I remain singularly unimpressed with as clarice calls them "third rate candidates" the dems have put in motion. Having said virtually nothing in their goofy debate about the war on terrorism we are now treated to daily soundbites of flip-flops and claims of "I am tougher than you Are!" Pathetic and unserious candidates.

clarice

More from Instapundit:
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON ON Obama's Pakistan Invasion: "Apart from the notion that it would be as hard to distinguish civilians in a Waziristan from terrorists as it is in Iraq, which the senator has written off, other questions arise. As a US Senator why not now introduce an October 11, 2002-type resolution, authorizing such an invasion? Or why hasn't he in the past? Obama has criticized Sen. Clinton for her approval of that Iraqi authorization, but the sort of action he is envisioning involves crossing into a nuclear Islamic country, one bullet away from an Islamic republic, and surely should be a question for Congressional approval."

HoosierHoops

oh..sorry Bubby..
Well if it's not Bush's fault..then you know it's because of global warming..

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