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September 09, 2007

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Ralph L

I finally realized the title of this thread wasn't a typo but referred to Michael Moore.

Did Norman's wife become ill in Colorado, too, or are we still waiting for the other Hsu to drop?

Unfortunately, with so many more channels and amusements available now, Petraeus can never have the impact that North, or the Thomas hearings had.

Jane

That's a great story Cathy.

Ralph L

Scheuer recommends: "That means reducing U.S. intervention in the Muslim world"

Next paragraph:
"Second, we must ignore international opinion and apply overwhelming military force on Islamists and their abettors whenever necessary "

I choose Door Number 2.

vnjagvet

Petraeus's response to Lantos's question was excellent. Lantos tried to box him by suggesting there was a viable middle ground on troop withdrawals which Petraeus had not considered.

The general did not take the bait, but indicated he had already recommended a substantial withdrawal which was consistent with the mission. Lantos was unable to specify which military person with "substantial credentials" had made the middle ground suggestion.

Lantos did not follow up with Petraeus, but went after the ambassador on the lack of diplomacy with Iran.

Patrick R. Sullivan

I didn't get to see it, did Lantos stick his fingers in his ears and say, 'I CAN'T HEAR YOU.'?

Anyway, it was kind of bad timing for the authors of this study claiming liberals deal better with new information than conservatives,

Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences.

given that they won't even hear Petraeus' point of view.

Extraneus

The circus atmosphere and risky frontal assault on the general make me think the Democrats must be pretty worried about their left flank.

Clarice

Patrick, I think if you check, you'll find out that study is a couple of years old. I remember blogging it then. It was just dusted off and rerun.

kim

Well, I almost responded, Neo, with why hire Plame when her husband is already working for them. I thought you style was a little novel.
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cathyf
Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences.
Let's play Name That Quote! Who made the comment about being "so open minded that your brains fall out"? Mark Twain? Menken? Heinlein?

It's really amazing the lack of self-awareness exhibited in that very short quote. Structured and persistent is bad?!?!? Amazing. Simply freaking amazing.

PeterUK

How often can the Senate betray the Generals before the Legions cross the Rubicon?

vnjagvet

Election time must be rolling around, Clarice:>)

vnjagvet

I think after the break, the Dems will regroup and cool it on national TV without going after Petraeus directly.

PeterUK

"Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences."

Translated means,"Conservatives are logical and hardworking and Liberals let it all hang out".

Clarice

Well, vnjagvet, then this bit should be helpful to those doing oppo research:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/09/hillary_aide_international_wom.html>Huma Who

Jane

Wexler is basically calling Petreaus a liar.

Sue
Obama: It’s time for a change of direction that brings our troops home, applies real pressure on the Iraqis to act, surges our diplomacy, and addresses Iraq’s urgent humanitarian crisis. I can only support a policy that begins an immediate removal of our troops from Iraq’s civil war, and initiates a sustained drawdown of our military presence.”

Huh? He wants to remove our military from a civil war and send in the Salvation Army? This man is not ready for primetime.

kim

Joe Lieberman unloads on Moveon.org, and the powerful Democrats who co-ordinated the anti-Petraeus message with them.
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Gmax

Anybody else read the Lieberman demand as a threat? Sure looks that way to me. Wonder what they do if he takes the principled stand and refused to caucus with them if they dont condemn MoveOn? Johnson is far to weak to come back to the Senate right now so they have no votes to spare. One vote swings it to more than a tie and the VP voting...

Jane

Where is the Lieberman article?

Clarice

http://www.israelforum.com/blog_article.php?aid=962602

Jane

Thanks!

Clarice

You're welcome, Jane. It's getting more coverage now:

http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hcu-dl-lieb,0,1457004.story>Joe

Sue

gmax,

Johnson has already returned. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/05/johnson.return.ap/index.html>Source

kim

"As a member of the Senate Democratic Caucus", says Joltin' Joe, as if they needed reminding. Yep, it's a threat. Reid and Pelosi need to answer him.
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kim

Also reading between the lines, he thinks Reid and Pelosi connived with Moveon. He is throwing down a gauntlet in classic fashion.
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Clarice

Maybe he'll run as Fred's vp.

kim

I maintain Joe is a Kingmaker.
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vnjagvet

Petraeus is a man among boys..

vnjagvet

My post did not exhibit my cliche alert.

vnjagvet

Now we have the American Samoan "Delegate" asking him why Shinseki was vilified.

Gmax

Looks like a photo op to me ( thanks for the link Sue ), maybe they read Lieberman as a threat too.

Slow and slurred speech, how is that going to go over in committee hearings, hell how about in campaigning?

Gmax

Slow and slurred speech works reasonably well for Joe Biden on second thought.

PeterUK

"Slow and slurred speech works reasonably well for Joe Biden on second thought."

The swimming instructor also.

kim

I think the swimming instructor has gone underwater with Wyatt.
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Clarice

Michael Barone shows some interesting anomolies in recent polls and, keeping in mind the shameful performance of the Congressional Dems at today's Petreus-Crocker hearing,it appears they are digging themselves into a hole:

[quote]while voters
generically prefer a Democratic candidate, when they are presented
with a choice between the two candidates now leading in the polls, Hillary
Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, they are split just about evenly. The
reason is that Democrats are giving voters the impression that they believe
everything will be just fine in the world once Bush is back in Crawford
and the troops are home from Iraq.

The Public Opinion Strategies poll indicates that that is a notion a
solid majority of American voters reject. They know that the Sept. 11
attacks were planned long before Bush became president and that our
enemies will try to launch new attacks after he is gone.

Raging against George W. Bush plays well among Democratic primary
voters while Bush still has more than a year left in his presidency. The
Democratic base has been in a fury against Bush since the Florida
controversy in late 2000, and its appetite for denunciation of him and all his
works seems never to be satisfied. But raging against Bush, and leaving
the impression that you feel the threats we face will disappear when
he does, could leave the Democratic presidential nominee vulnerable next
fall when Bush's presidency will be about to recede into history. [/quote]


http://www.daylife.com/article/09RBg9Ed9y6PZ

Jane

Well my viewing of the testimony was truncated and sporadic, but from what I say Petreuas kicked ass.

kim

We don't like Ike. Skelton has given his next challenger a ready made campaign commercial.
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kim

I also maintain, C, that our next President will make the public case for Bush's accomplishments that Bush seems constitutionally incapable of making himself.
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Extraneus

Check out this comment from Reuters' Petraeus hearing starts with Democratic criticism, by Arshad Mohammed and Susan Cornwell, page 2:

Maliki, a Shi'ite Islamist, defended his government in the face of blistering criticism from U.S. lawmakers over his failure to reconcile warring Shi'ite and Sunni communities in Iraq.

Maliki's an "Islamist"? Does anyone know where the Reuters definition list is posted? I couldn't find it.

PeterUK

Clarice,
It is the Sacral King doctrine of politics,the King would be sacrificed to atone for the sins of his people.In many pagan societies it was King for a year.Here some were strangled and thrown into a bog,beats party politics any day.

Clarice

Yup.
Cong Wexler rounded out the day. He is a man who combines mental instability, low I.Q. and lifetime tenure.(Would it be unethical of me to tell my mother I'll never speak to her again if she votes for him--even if, as is usually the case in this district largely made up of retirees , no one is running against him?)

PeterUK

Tell her Wexler has some unspeakable habit she has always detested.

maryerose

Hil returning 850,000 dollars of Hsu raised money. She knows the potential problems this raises for her. Also it is her picture with Hsu they kleep showing. Clarice is right-it is her Achilles heel.Now Edwards has to take this ball and run with it.

Syl

I've been overloaded. I watched a rerun of the entire Jones' hearing yesterday, then all of this today. (Except for an hour when the electrician came--I was sitting quietly when I heard a HUGE BANG in the wall behind me, the dishwasher I haven't used in ten years turned on, the microwave's clock went black, and I was startled speechless and not a little frightened, so he came to fix whatever the hell had happened.)

I think I actually saw the fine general's eyes glaze over several times. But even though some of the questions (speeches, really) were painful and disgraceful, I always looked forward to the answers which were polite, fact filled, and to the point.

I hope you all caught the bit from Crocker about Muqtada's embarrassment over the Karbala incident? And how we are dealing with elements in the Mahdi army. The questioner had asked if we should name Muqtada's group as a terrorist organization and Crocker said no. The point is to separate out the extremists from those who are reconcilable. I do agree.

The thing that has struck me all along is the political reconciliation happening from the ground up and the Iraqi government's response to the provinces, especially Anbar, which have stepped up to the plate. As Crocker says, it's not written into law yet but reconciliation IS occurring. (as is revenue sharing, btw)

Though it was mentioned it was not emphasized that the former insurgents and sunni sheiks men are joining the Iraqi army and local police INSTEAD of forming their own militias. Though there are a couple of places that do have militias, many of those are slowly being integrated into the army/police.

That's why I was a little bothered when Michael Ware spoke as if we've sponsored the implementation of sunni militias that are going to come back to bite us in the future.

Sigh.

Reconciliation is a process, not an event. Who said that?

And who was the asshole who, when Petraeus said bin laden said Iraq is the central front, said bin laden was lying? I must contain myself though, because even stupid idiots get representation in our government.

Sigh again.

One more thing (I know I'm rambling, sorry) I think the BIG concept I was made aware of today was Iraqi federalism and the discussions/arguments taking place on the political side both in the central government and the local level. I'd like to see all the arguments and details of discussions going on. One thing emphasized in the Jones' commission hearing was that, for example, the local police are hired and managed by locals, but are paid by the central government and that isn't working out very well. In fact it's a huge problem because the Interior Ministry hands out the money to only those it approves of. Stuff like that it is very important and only one issue among hundreds that the Iraqi government has to hash out--this ain't going to happen overnight!

Between today's hearing and the Jone's commission I think I've got a handle on a bit of what's going on. It's difficult and an uphill climb but there does certainly seem to be a lot of progress on the political front on the ground as well as the gains on the security front.

(then Wolf blitzer poses the big question: Is Maliki George Washington? what a superficial snothead Wolf has become.)

Anyway, we can't run so we have to stay. Might as well be making great progress as long as we're there. :) But seriously, it's hard work, no guarantees, but we HAVE TO accomplish this and so we will.


TexasIsHeaven

Oh brother - Ron Paul is on O'Reilly saying 9-11 was "blowback" on the US because of our actions since 1953.

I cringe every time this guy appears on TV and people realize he is from Texas. All you got to do is look at him to know dang good and well his parents were brother and sister. Heh Heh

My Mama would have given me a good whippin' for that one.......

Syl

Hey, does anybody know about that BBC/ABC poll that the dems (and now the MSM) are quoting about Iraqis overwhelmingly wanting us out and feeling the surge has made them less safe?

who did the pollsters question? al Qaeda?

maryrose

Syl;
More fabrication in this poll. Iraqis need us in their battle for freedom and finally there own government. Maliki wants us to stay and so we shall. All the rest is just moaning on the part of the dems. They've lost there big momentum and that's the reason for the NYT one page ad by Move-On today. They know the dems are powerless so they are taking matters in their own hands. I'm still waiting for one brave dem to denounce the scurrilous ad. I guess I'll have a long wait.

ann

Syl,

"But seriously, it's hard work, no guarantees, but we HAVE TO accomplish this and so we will."

Quote of the day!

Terrye

Syl:

I heard some blurb about the poll you mentioned. I don't really believe that. The truth is they can not want us out more than we want out. The whole thing is moot.

Jane

Clarice,

Shall we mud wrestle over Petraeus?

Walter

Anywhere, any time, any reason.

Just sell tickets.

centralcal

You know - thank "the powers that be" for a forum like Fox News where you can hear these gentlemen - Petraeus and Crocker - without the circus of our elected representatives, the zoo of liberals and their pets the protestors.

Jane

It was great, wasn't it?

Clarice

Jane--we do seem to have the same--albeit eclectic (H & R AND Petraeus)--taste in men. Suit up, girl. We're on.

vnjagvet

Petraeus is not anyone's pushover. He is rather a skillful and gifted general officer who is not a politician, but is politically aware.

Responsive, respectful and articulate as well.

He reminds me of a young Eisenhower -- but with better hair.

Clarice

Looks like the NYT ran the Betray Us ad at a deep discount.
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/239963.php

vnjagvet

Pretty bad for the "paper of record".

Yellow journalism lives in the twenty-first century.

Clarice

It's their latest revenue gimmick--print trash so you can get lefty ads..But then, with Pinch's superb business skills to guide them, they run the ads at a deep, deep discount.

RichatUF

glasater-

The AT always seems to have a relevant piece. It discusses the relevant role that the KGB played in the creation of the Iranian Revolution and provides a few more books to read.

graf-

The first time I read of the penetration and suborning of Islam by agents of the Iron Curtain was in James Clavell's Whirlwind. Clavell was a master at using fiction in order to tell the truth. Clavell devoted great swaths of Whirlwind to the success of Communist agents teaching, propagandizing and twisting their dialectic in order to get Revolutionary Islam to fall in line with Communist long range goals.

Ledeen has done so good work as well documenting the connection and raise of the PLO and the Khomeninist Revolution in the early 1970's and alot of it is explained in the Mitrokhin books. Another place to look is the rather destructive spying of Kim Philby and how he seeded agents and propanganda throughout the Middle East.

memomachine

Hmmmm.

It is kinda odd that OBL sounded like he was a pissed off DailyKos fanatic.

All we'd need is a new political video from Ned Lamont showing OBL sneaking into his house and we'd be halfway there.

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