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October 03, 2007

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MayBee

Kim- I'm not sure what the actuaries say, but then I'm not sure what the actuaries *know*, either. As far as I know, people are not routinely tested for pot and other drugs after driving incidents so I'm unsure how they'd get the information for statistics. I could be wrong.

MayBee

less boring = safe driving?

Oh, boris. Shrooms would certainly make driving less boring.
Regardless, there is no way pot would become legal without taxes and driving restrictions. We tax cigarettes and alcohol and use the funds to pay for health care services. You can't even talk on a hand-held cel phone while driving in many states. You can't smoke cigarettes in public. People under 21 can't drink.
What I'm trying to say is, if pot ever becomes legal, the way many users use it now *still* won't be legal.

boris

Comparisons between pot and alcohol on driving impairment have been conducted.

My claim is not that there is no impairment, just that in a measurable sense alcohol outstrips it even below the legal limit.

Late night, early AM, long drive, sleepiness is almost as bad as alcohol.

kim

I think you are right, MayBee, the data isn't there. Maybe there is no obvious need to look for the data, as there is with booze.
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boris

less boring = safe driving?

In my example situation, less boring = less drowsy.

Sue

That same effect makes a long drive less boring. BTW mellow and alert are not mutually exclusive.

Not going to argue the point with you anymore Boris. I also speak from experience and I don't want anyone driving high.

Sue

Not just "high". It is an effect associated primarily with pot and it kicks in well before subjective intoxication.

Huh?

MayBee

I don't know, Kim. My guess is there's no easy way to look for the data. An interesting metric would be to see what insurance companies do when a client that gets in an accident was found to be under the influence of marijuana. Do they treat them more harshly, or do they treat them the same as any other accident?

boris

I don't want anyone driving high

Just that if you are going to base that on equivalent impairment you would need to establish a zero tolerance for alcohol.

PeterUK

Dope and driving Don't!

hit and run

boris:
After all, one can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey. Just have to pee more often.

Ain't that the truth.

That's the good thing about the fall though. When we're hanging out at the fire pit on weekend nights, you can just stumble on over to the woods to find relief, rather than have to mess with bathrooms, locking the door, lifting the seat, putting it back down, flushing, and all that other mess.

SlimGuy

The only place I have seen a really effective counter drug policy was Turkey.

Back in the early 70's when I was there, they had a rapidly rising combination of pipeline trafficking and personal usage.

The military stepped in along with the police after a law change and any one caught on the road with drugs was subject to summary execution.

The problem vanished in under 4 months of enforcement.

SlimGuy

This was reserved for those with quantities beyond personal usage amounts. Totally stopped the through transport or at least reduced it a lot, but made it really hard to supply the pushers.

Caught with personal quantities and right to the slammer in the less than pleasant Turkish prison system. No trial required.

davod

Clarice:

They are still recommending Wutterich be charged with negligent homicide. I read that Wutterich was an instructor on these tactics. If so, I would be interested to know whether they acted within the USMC ROE.

PeterUK

Are you suggesting that they whack Boris whilst he is "getting his rocks off" on "Freebird" during a "perked up jam session"?

"Oh, the inhumanity"!

boris

Actually Freebird was a little after my time on the rock stage. Since then it's been jazz and pop with nothing larger than a trio.

boris

Given the subject matter, "Istanbul Blues" from the Midnight Express soundtrack would be more appropriate.

boris

I got the blues babe,
Got those old Istanbul blues,
Said Yeah, I got the blues babe
Got those old Istanbul blues...
Thirty years in Turkey, babe,
Ain't got nothing left to lose...

Busted at the border
Two keys in my shoes
Said I was busted at the border
with two keys in my shoes
An they gave me thirty years, babe
To learn the old Istanbul blues...

kim

I don't want a pickle
Just wish the data were from this siecle.
And I don't wanna fight.
Just wish the subject weren't so demonized.
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Walter

... this siecle.

Here's a current one: Crossing the Bridge.

The title, of course, refers to the fact that the study authors work in Manhattan and the program takes place in Brooklyn.

And I just want to ride on my motor-sickle. Ain't global warming grand in October?

kim

Ride that two wheelar
Into the present errar.
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Walter

A relatively well-written and fairly definitive study funded by the DoJ found average savings of over $5K per participant in treatment vs. “business as usual” processing of druggies. A fairly complete overview of all current research is also availble directly from the DoJ itself.

And neither study takes into account the immeasurable benefits to society that accrue from avoiding "the cost of ruin."

The last two studies also address Maybee's first question to me. Apparently court-ordered treatment is efficacious even if (a) the treatee doesn't think he (let's face it, most of them are male) has a problem, or (b) he drops out of the program before completion.

I'd say this is less counter-intuitive than one might expect. While the actual criminal act which lands one in the court system may be relatively minor, engaging in conduct which attracts the attention of the police hints at the possibility that drug use is beginning to negatively affect the user's life.

Unless someone has information that I and the drug warriors over at the Justice Department have missed, I'm going to call this question resolved. In my favor. Hah.

clarice

davod:"They are still recommending Wutterich be charged with negligent homicide. I read that Wutterich was an instructor on these tactics. If so, I would be interested to know whether they acted within the USMC ROE."

The report was not yet released. Another account of it said the IO said that it was unlikely that Wuterich could be convicted for more than dereliction of duty.

PeterUK

Walter,
One of the biggest problems with addicts are those who stay below the radar of the criminal justice system.They steal but only from friends and family,parents will constantly bail them out with drug debts,some will buy drugs for their offspring to keep them out of the hands of the dealers.A chunk of that generation living in their parents basement are also pimping off those same parents because the offspring are too unmanageably addicted.
The parents would never involve the police even though their children are stealing jewelery,credit cards cash etc from them.Parents spend tens of thousands putting the little dears into rehab to no avail.The poor buggers never give up hope,even though you can't trust an addict anymore than you can trust a rattle snake in your underwear.

Walter

Yes, drug use is bad. I don't encourage it outside of a physician-approved course of treatment.

My point has been that the method we in the US are using to discourage drug use may be sub-optimal for society in general and drug users in particular.

PeterUK

Walter,
The problem is bigger than it appears,when those shielding this large group of addicts gets too old or too poor or perhaps die this wave is going to break over your society.
The basic problem is getting them into treatment and keeping them there,at the moment there is no mechanism, for this.
Voluntary treatment either puts the heroin addict on Methadone,to which they become addicted or sell for heroin,or a blocker like Sebutex,and they take up Crack.In fact many crack users take heroin to "come down".
I don't know about the US,but here, neither the medical profession or the police care about "junkies" as long as they stay over the line. The State doesn't want to know,very much in the same way it shovels Alzheimers under the carpet.

MayBee

Walter, The last two studies also address Maybee's first question to me. Apparently court-ordered treatment is efficacious even if (a) the treatee doesn't think he (let's face it, most of them are male) has a problem, or (b) he drops out of the program before completion.

The part of my concern I don't feel this addresses is this: many people picked up for DUI and minor drug offences are not addicted. If I drove with a .08 blood alcohol level, I would opt for treatement over jail. I'm not an alcoholic, however. I would emerge cured.

kim

How might any conviction of Wuterich impact Murtha's case?

W, one Dem Cong dingy enough in his dotage to ding the Carbon thingy.
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kim

P, love the assassin, hate the waste.
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michael

De Nial is a river in the mind of middle class America. We call it Prohibition. The alternative is not licentiousness just like it was not with alcohol prohibition; the result is not 'Drug Free America.' To paraphrase John Lennon, drug use is more popular than Jesus Christ. With the freedoms in our Constitution, it aint going away. Use, which can be tested by urine drug screens, in various contexts can be criminalized. The user drives the market; forget about criminalizing possession or the seller; yes you can tax. Penalties should be adjusted as to what treats the user generally. As an example, arrest and punishment initiated alcohol abstinence for our current president.

Walter

I'm not an alcoholic

I believe you.

My point is not that treatment is necessary for everyone convicted of minor substance abuse crimes; just that it is more appropriate than prison. Note that in the studies I cited that the metric for success is not cessation of substance use, but lack of further (conduct leading to) arrests.

I'd say that treatment for you on a .08 DUI would serve the same purpose as me sitting in an 8-hour defensive driving class after an 11 MPH over the speed limit ticket. It's quite a bit more irritating than simply paying a fine, but it has fewer negative affects on my future (insurance premiums) than taking the points on my license.

In other words, it may be overinclusive, but, even if not directly applicable to my personal situation, serves to deter future wrongdoing at a lower cost to me personally. Were I facing jail, society would avoid a significant additional cost for no additional (or if the studies are to be believed, somewhat less) benefit.

Jane

There appears to have been an invasion of sex toy sellers over the night. Why is it those guys don't get caught in the spam filter like the rest of us?

Rick Ballard

Jane,

Could be real Koscretins assigned to mucking up the site. Tom's post on "actual" count versus "virtual" count may be annoying the head scam artist over there. "Real" applies to Koscretins only in the sense that they're not generated by a computer program as is a spambot, of course.

Jane

What a bunch of boring little trolls!

clarice

At least they post on long dead threads so they are easy to ignore.

MayBee

Walter- LOL!
I realized I haven't made my complaint clear. For small drug/alcohol infractions, I dont believe either jail or treatment options are appropriate. Perhaps a fine or public service.
I see no benefit to sending someone to treatment when they've been found with a joint. On the otherhand, when we do things like that we certainly skew the success rate of treatment plans.
I don't have a problem with making small amounts of pot (and no other drugs) legal, but I think there would have to be restrictions on it that would displease many that would like to legalize it.
Finally, I don't agree that strict drug laws cause any social problems. Our social problems are due to other factors.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Thank you for the additional updates on the Haditha lies.

Such a strange silence from the al Demokrati clan and their chief propaganda organ concerning this. Is the Copperhead taqiya fu weakening?

clarice

You're welcome, Rick.
A few notes:Murtha started spouting his slander on May 17. It wasn't until May 24 that he got the briefing from Gen Hagee. Can there be any question but that command was influenced in continuing this farcical prosecution by Murtha's comments and the press coverage--dreaming of another My Lai?

And then there's the godawful work by the NCIS.
The fact that Time acted as the propaganda arm for AQ..as did Human Rights Watch (funded by ta-da Soros).

MayBee

It is fascinating, clarice. I remember Jamie McIntyre on CNN having daily updates on the Haditha watch. It will be interesting if we get to find out definitively what was pushing that.
There were questions about where the pictures came from too, right? Is there speculation he was part of the alQ propoganda plan?

clarice

I have no recollection of that--I'd guess, Murtha's office, assholes in DoD (probably in the JAG operation) and Sors' human rights watch were flogging the story to all who were looking for another "My Lai".

The phony soldiers stuff is bad enough--the phony investigation and charges against honorable Marines in the thick of it seems even wworse to me.

kim

Would that the profession of journalism could be self-reflective about the perversion of Soros. Disinformation is an evil.
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boris

Murtha's office, assholes in DoD (probably in the JAG operation) and Soros' ...

... conducted their own Abu Ghraib on our defendent soldiers didn't they.

clarice

Yes they did, Boris.

The NYT could find only one person critical of brave Officer Ware's report but ehy failed to disclose something about him (from Powerline):
"Actually, the Times cites just one expert who voices what is evidently the paper's own disappointment at the collapse of the case against the Marines: Eugene R. Fidell, who is identified as "an expert in military law in Washington." Mr. Fidell has the article's money quote:

“It does surprise me to see that the killing of seven women and children by grenades and rifles, for the purposes of clearing structures, is being treated the way this investigating officer has treated it."
Where did the Times go to find an expert who would articulate the house view of the Haditha killings? Well, to be fair, I think Mr. Fidell is indeed an expert on military law. He is also, however, married to Linda Greenhouse, the hyper-liberal reporter who covers the Supreme Court for the Times--a fact that the paper did not consider it necessary to mention. So the Times didn't have to look far for an expert whose opinion would give the right conclusion to an article on how guilty Marines beat the rap.
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kim

Don't you wish Soros could be sucked in via RICO? He is promoting criminal conspiracies.
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Topsecretk9

a fact that the paper did not consider it necessary to mention. So the Times didn't have to look far for an expert whose opinion would give the right conclusion to an article on how guilty Marines beat the rap.

Clarice ----it gets worse,NYTimes judgement/credibility

Criticism of Greenhouse Some critics on the political right, notably retired Appeals Court Judge Laurence H. Silberman have complained of what they call the "Greenhouse Effect." They believe that some federal judges have changed their opinions to win favorable coverage, either in the New York Times or in the legal press in general, which they view as being part of the "Liberal Establishment." This criticism seems directed less at Greenhouse personally than at a general assumption of a liberal media bias.[3]

In 1989, she was rebuked by Times editors for participating in an abortion-rights rally in Washington. Though the New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent attests that he has never received a single complaint of bias in Greenhouse's coverage,[4] some other media observers have been critical of the perception of bias that her personal actions create.[citation needed]

Harvard speech---
She has also faced criticism for expressing publicly (at Harvard University in June, 2006) her personal views supporting abortion rights and criticism of US policies and actions at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, and Haditha.[4]

Greenhouse said that she started crying a few years back at a Simon & Garfunkel concert because her (Sixties) generation hadn't done a better job of running the country than previous generations:

And of course my little crying jag occurred before we knew the worst of it, before it was clear the extent to which our government had turned its energy and attention away from upholding the rule of law and toward creating law-free zones at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, Haditha, and other places around the world. And let’s not forget the sustained assault on women’s reproductive freedom and the hijacking of public policy by religious fundamentalism. To say that these last years have been dispiriting is an understatement.

Media critic Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post commented, "Don't those remarks, publicized last week by National Public Radio, go too far for a beat reporter covering such issues at the high court?" Kurtz quoted Greenhouse defending her comments, calling them "statements of fact," not opinion.[5]
"The notion that someone cannot go and speak from the heart to a group of college classmates and fellow alums, without being accountable to self-appointed media watchdogs, means American journalism is in danger of strangling in its own sanctimony," Greenhouse said.[5]
She told National Public Radio: "I said what I said in a public place. Let the chips fall where they may."

Greenhouse in the news
On August 9, 2007, a television crew from C-SPAN was forbidden to film a panel discussion at a meeting of the Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication. Greenhouse had told organizers that she would not be able "answer [questions] as fully and frankly" as she would be if the the session were not filmed.[6]

kim

You see the Democratic representative from Ohio assault a reporter, in the Halls of Congress, when the reporter wouldn't turn off cameras, as the representative demanded?
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kim

You tube
is for
You, Rubes.
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PeterUK

Liberals cannot be trusted with the military The shameful pillorying of Colonel Mendonca gives the clear view of the liberal left aims to destroy the military.Doesn't matter that there is a war on,"The ends justify the means".Mendonca had to be tried otherwise the ICC would have become involved.

kim

An lovely irony at work, here, P, is that the effectiveness of our warfare has reached the point that our enemies can be engaged at such a distance that the populace safe at home can become quite precious and absurd about warfare. Imagine this shit in the blitz. Soros would be hanged yesterday.
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PeterUK

Some are more than "precious and absurd",they really are on the other side.

Rick Ballard

Mark Steyn draws our attention to a real tear jerker. The Dems really are shooting pretty low wrt assumed intelligence.

clarice

And he does so JUST in time--waiting for Chrissy to ask the candidates some tear jerking question about SCHIP.

Isn't that an amazing story--they can find an affordable warehouse, an affordable house and can pay 20k for each kid to go to private school but someone else should pay their health insurance? Public school's not good enough for their kids, but public health IS?

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Just rollin' the dice - everybody healthy, no medical problems and enough cash to self insure the small stuff. Flip it - if they skipped insurance since the last brat was born they're up $50K minimum, less negligible med costs for sniffles - if they don't self medicate even those.

That's the real path to "40 million with no insurance". Take a flyer and if you lose - hang it on the state.

RichatUF

Rick, clarice...

Was looking at that story over at FR and found the 990's for Familes U.S.A Foundation Inc here is 2005 which is the 501 c 3 [an eye popping 40 million in assests...]behind the 501 c 4 "Families USA"

Coming up empty on "Families USA" however.

cathyf

So now do you see the problem with letting everyone be free to choose whether they will have insurance or not? The Frosts are acting in a way that is perfectly rational.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Take two - Maryland's current program covers the kid if his dad's income is $45K (as reported). All they had to do was sign up.

above 200% but at or below 300% of the FPL ($31,341- $47,010 for a family of three in 2004) may be eligible to enroll in MCHP Premium.
Premium amounts are on a per family basis, regardless of the number of eligible children. Qualifying income levels are based on the FPL and change each April:
• Families with incomes between 200% and 250% of the FPL contribute $41/month;
• Families with incomes above 250% but at or below 300% of the FPL contribute $52/month.

The kid ought to talk to dad about the meaning of "rolling boxcars".

Rick Ballard

"So now do you see the problem with letting everyone be free to choose whether they will have insurance or not?"

You're speaking of the aHilla the Hun "Raze the Village - For the Children" plan right? "Get insurance before you can look for a job." That one?

I wonder if they plan on branding those who don't comply. Just to allow ease of identification, of course.

RichatUF

The kids were injured in a car accident-the story is focused on the kids "moral authority", but what about the mom, she was driving the vehicle and the way the wreck was described the SUV skid on black ice and wrapped around a tree. Maybe they should make some PSA's about not driving SUV's like sports cars and buckling-up.

clarice

Tell me about it Rich--I live at the bottom of a hill , one long block from a major thoroughfare. I grew up in Wisconsin and drive better on ice than on clear streets. I do not drive or walk up that hill in winter because of the large number of women behind the wheel of SUVs who drive those things as if they were taking a corniche in a ferrari..about halfway down the hill they are driving side to side.
PHEH

Rick Ballard

I skimmed the article too quickly - the folks are apparently only rolling the dice on the breadwinners.

RichatUF

clarice...

...SUVs who drive those things as if they were taking a corniche in a ferrari...

HEH!!! The way I read the article is that the kids were covered under SCHIP in Maryland for their injuries and MD picked up the tab [see a government healthcare success story]. I'm just curious how much the auto policy covered and if the kids were hurt that badly did the mom walk away or was she banged up too.

This whole thing with SCHIP just really gets my skin crawling with the eventual negative attacks that "the administration (and Republicans) wants to let kids curl up on the sidewalk and die" like a replay of budget showdown fights (I can see the repeat of the heart monitor flatlining on the "health of America's children").

This campaign and that creepy "divided we fail" campaign that AARP has been pushing-using kids to push policies that if argued by adults wouldn't be countenanced-I've said it before, but the Hillary! camp is creepy enough to even manipulate the Weekly Reader poll.

clarice

I hate legislation by sob story..it's the dumbest way to decide issues. Didja hear Pelosi today-she's praying for the children and for Bush to change his mind and save them? Last week she was on the View where Whoopi talked about "doing" her and her husband.
EWWWWW

Topsecretk9

I hate legislation by sob story


-- didn't Al Gore pull this with a financially ok woman and her meds? pet food instead of meds - turned out her son said it was her own weird choice?

Where is the progressive SUV hating brigade and the progressive over-population brigade?

I noticed they have 4 children. I am a big lover and supporter of big families, I also would have liked to have had more children.

I did the math.

Also other circumstances in life occurred and I realized I could not afford to provide many children what I felt was my responsibility.

Sure, accidents happen and there is always a way to make do, but life is a series of choices...the Frost's choose to have many children they obviously can't afford to have...well, if they scaled back the 40 thousand grammar school tuition and the premier home in ritzyville that is.

Funny, liberals and democrats think the only CHOICE we peons are capable of making on our own is abortion. Not so much Social security or car or health insurance.

Also, I have a big problem with childless couples paying for this...Gay's..you really want to pay for rich kids of hetro's health insurance?

JM Hanes

Hi Clarice --

Great job on the Haditha article! Thought of you when I read this over at Gateway Pundit; it might interest you if you haven't seen it yet: "Breaking: Murtha & Media Were Willing Dupes for Al Qaeda."

Topsecretk9

Also, I really am offended by the parents and the Democrats exploiting children for their lie and propaganda...I think of this no different than a parent using a child for a drug deal or some equally exploitative move...really.

I have a really bright 13 year old boy. He amazes me with his creative and beyond his years view on any multitude of subjects. He also can not find the top most right hand drawer in the kitchen or understand the dial on the washing machine. The complexities of monopoly have to be revisited and the finer points, like no slang in scrabble, are common.

He understand he has health benifts. He understands they are a given because his parent has provided them...if you asked him to explain them to you? Good luck....like the story says...

The Senate staffers wrote the script for Graeme.

Sick. Really depraved actually.

Topsecretk9

JM Hanes --

I miss you. I super miss you. You are such a wonderful person and contribution. I hope you are well and are having fun in life. I conjure up such images of you in wading boots toiling away in the garden. Anyways, it's made my day you showed up here. I love and miss you.

Topsecretk9

JMHanes is right

Breaking: Murtha & Media Were Willing Dupes for Al Qaeda

The report – apparently overlooked by a Washington press corps <,b>awash in leaked Bargewell documents and secret Naval Criminal Investigative Service reports – shows that Marine Corps intelligence operatives were advised of the scheme to demonize the Marines by an informant named Muhannad Hassan Hamadi. The informant was snared by 3/1 Marines on December 11 2005 and decided to cooperate...

Really? Leaks the media didn't LIKE? That's INSANE -- they live on leaks right?

Video: Increasing casualties = news, decreasing casualties = not news

Soros gets a great return from WAPO and NYT's...No investment but plenty of boot licking.

Topsecretk9

Rats...the report AVAILABLE is what was incurious to media, but rumor bullshit was alright for print...2 NYT's stories come to mind

NYT's big expose on Bush abused Fema human interest expose --- turns out she was repeat offender fraud indicted an lied about having children to collect more

AND

The NYT's embarrassing and negligent Duke coverage -- the news proctor sold his soul on that bit of non-apologia

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The report – apparently overlooked by a Washington press corps awash in leaked Bargewell documents and secret Naval Criminal Investigative Service reports – shows that Marine Corps intelligence operatives were advised of the scheme to demonize the Marines by an informant named Muhannad Hassan Hamadi. The informant was snared by 3/1 Marines on December 11 2005 and decided to cooperate
cathyf

Just a note about the Frosts... It is very common for self-employed people who are *ahem* "aggressive" about their taxes to report very little taxable income. So it seems that our Democrat friends who are always railing about rich people not paying their fair share of taxes didn't actually realize that the Frosts are your basic rich tax cheats. Who not only cheated on their taxes by making themselves look poor, but then signed up for health-insurance welfare, too.

Tax cheats AND welfare cheats. Boy, those Democrats sure can pick 'em!

Topsecretk9

Cathyf,,,Mr. Frost LLC it appears, has been savvy enough to LLC and then have the CORP pay the lease on his business while taking in some extra rental income...that's some rich tax write off's...so in order to not pay corporate taxes you have to NOT turn a profit and um so the non-existent profit gets invested?

kim

Neo has a marvelous comment at Gateway Pundit:

Murtha, the only former Marine in America.
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Bill in AZ

That would be "ex-Marine". Until Murtha came along there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. There are many proud former Marines.

kim

Jarheads understand these things.
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MayBee

clarice-
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/08/marine-report-haditha-massacre-was-engineered-by-al-qaeda/ > Hot Air covers the issue about the Haditha pictures I remembered earlier.

kim

Let's see now, here it is, under duty:

Murphy's Rules of Combat
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h/t EJS and Romeo13 @ HotAir comments
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Sue

I can't believe those people would put themselves under the radar gun like this. Are they stoopid as well as dishonest?

kim

The Progressive life is not worth living; it is unexamined.
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clarice

Thnx JMH--I agree, it's nice to see you here again. I'll check out your link.And MayBee, I'll check out Hot Air, too.I think the Winter Soldier trick can only worrk once..no matter how hard the media drools for another My Lai.

Bill in AZ

There is an excellent roundup on the Haditha incident at
Euphoric Reality

Also see current posts at the same site.

JM Hanes

Hi Tops! I've been trying to step away from the keyboard a little (looks like TM's doing a little of the same, no?), and just winging off Instapundit's daily catalogue -- although lately, I swear it seems like he sits around thinking up ways to link to Amazon; (I suspect $ for click throughs, but nevermind). Every time I run across one of your comments, I think hey, wow -- in the real world I'd be honkin' 'n wavin' like crazy!

Whenever you talk about your son, it sooo takes me back. Can't believe my baby turned 24 this summer. I remember the very first time I had to stand tiptoed to tell him something sotto voce as if it were yesterday. A driver's license is like some cosmic trip wire; time suddenly speeds up and apparently never slows back down. :) XO

Clarice --

I thought Gateway's piece on the "New York Times Mourns the Loss of Their Defining Atrocity" was really on target too.

clarice

Me, too, JMH...Maybe we need another phony soldier to make up one for them.

Sue

I think we need a scandal at JOM. H&R caught running off with Jane while Clarice chased them screaming **thwack**.

clarice

HEH
Interesting--Instapundit cites "But how big is the free-rider problem, really? According to an Urban Institute study released in 2003, uncompensated care for the uninsured constitutes less than 3% of all health expenditures. Even if the individual mandate works exactly as planned, that's the effective upper boundary on the mandate's impact."

Jane

That would be a scandal!

Were is TM?

If HRC tells Sandy Burglar national security secrets, can we send them both to jail?

Why are they letting Chris moonbat Matthews host a republican debate?

Will the yankees go down tonite?

hit and run

Sue:
I think we need a scandal at JOM. H&R caught running off with Jane while Clarice chased them screaming **thwack**.

From the Count Every Vote! thread:

I'm in! I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. Where ever it goes, I'm in.

And I am oh so flattered!

Posted by: Jane | October 05, 2007 at 10:56 PM

Me too, Jane! Don't tell anyone, let's meet in AntucketNay!


clarice

Ah, Jane--the BIG questions! Someone cited by Instapundit says where's the journalist who's going to ask Her Highness that since she surely asked him before bringing him abroad, why docs did Burger steal and why?

Jane

Atlantis cafe, 8:00 - be there or be square. (I'll be at the bar)

JM Hanes

Red Sox Nation!

Wouldn't it be nice if the candidates conspired to ask Matthews some pointed questions?

clarice

IBD just ran a piece with some damned good suggestions. I think the candidates should do some jujitsu on Chrissy.

clarice

A masterpiece:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/005097.php

narciso

Taking up the anti-drug war banner; Matt Yglesias with a seconding motion by NRO's
the Corner, Stuttaford; I think. Their big
hangup is that the new US Ambassador to Afghanistan is William Wood; formerly Amb.
to Colombia. Allegedly he is behind the
counter-narcotics and defoliation that is
driving Afghan villagers into the hands of
the Taliban. No, He's not the Ambassador to
Pakistan; where Taliban grow like poppies.
Actually Colombia is a good parallel for efforts in Afghanistan. Both are country's
bisected out of larger ethno-tribal areas
(Colombia out of Bolivar's Grand Colombia;
Afghanistan of our the larger Pushtun lands). Central authority is weak in both
hence the need for paramilitaries like the
AUC, or tribal warlords like Ismael Khan.
narcotics is part of the funding matrix for
insurgents and paramilitaries. We've learned
that surrendering a region to guerillas as
Pastrana did to the FARC and Musharaff did to the Waziri is a bad deal

hit and run

Jane:
Atlantis cafe, 8:00 - be there or be square. (I'll be at the bar)

Ooooh, I take it you mean tomorrow nite. I assume that Atlantis has wireless internet access? I can watch a Jane Liveblog of the repub debate!!!!!

That's Hot.

"I'm in! I'm in, I'm in, I'm in."

hit and run

JMH -- I saw "your mall" in the news today. And thought of you.

But I think of you nearly every day, regardless.

Of course, some of that is ruefulness -- with these temps, you are surely precluded from wearing earmuffs...

clarice

Jane..JMH..And nothing for me? What--am I chopped liver?

hit and run

You are worth more to me than words can say.

hit and run

I'll love you twice as much tomorrow

clarice

And I'm the Queen of Romania..Niters

Walter

No ponies, no daffodils, not this year.

JM Hanes

Hi there, Hit! Actually, I spend a lot more time in the hardware aisle at Lowe's than I do at the mall. Have you guys had any weather up there? We got nuthin' done here; feels like ear muff season's been a long time coming this year. Then again, did I ever mention my gardening get-up? I look pretty damn good in a tool belt. Not to take anything away from the mud wrestlers, of course! I think of you often too, and Mrs. you & the mini yahoos yous.

Jane

The AC it is Hit, in time to liveblog the republican debate with that jerk Chris Matthews.

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