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December 18, 2007

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Sue

These people are works of art. Nothing like apologizing by repeating the offending remarks. Just to make sure everyone heard them the first time around.

kim

As a matter of church doctrine, is he bound by youthful declarations?
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Other Tom

My favorite was Richard Nixon: "I don't think it would be appropriate to make a campaign issue out of a mental patient with a history of electroshock therapy being a heartbeat away from the nuclear trigger."

Or, "I suppose I could point to my opponent's strong ties to the Communist Party, but I'm not going to do that."

clarice

Sounds like PM Urqhart.

Other Tom

Jesus H. Christ--has anyone seen this?

"– Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the current president — Bush's son, George W. Bush.

"'Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again,' Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's 'number one priority' would be as president.

"A spokesman for the George H.W. Bush was not immediately available to comment on whether the former president would chip in some diplomatic help after his son leaves office next year."

It's the headline item at Drudge.

clarice

Yes, I did see that. Odd, isn't it? I suspect his heart surgery has left him a bit addle pated, because I doubt Bush agreed to this and it's a bit weird to volunteer someone else's services to your wife.
OR--it could just be him sabotaging her again in that delightful way Mr. ME ME ME has.

Other Tom

As Geraghty says, Bubba still thinks it's the nineties, the media loves him, and no one will check his facts.

clarice

Funny, he should focus this fairytale on what Hill would do first. If you recall what he did first was (apparently at her urging and w/o discussion with the military) decide to admit gays into the military.IIRC that got watered down after a revolt into DADT.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I wish we had an MD on board as a regular commenter here. I would think that a malignant narcissist would make a very difficult patient. He may well be a pumphead and he may be washing his blood thinners down with Old Granddad as well. He was looking like WC Fields on a bad day before the blockage - want to bet that he's decided that a little nip now and again and again and again won't hurt? Narcissists are always exempt from the rules.

Sue

I want someone to ask Hillary about the "fun" part. Was she referring to apologizing on a continual basis? Come on MSM. Ask her the question. Why is not really all that much "fun" the "fun" part?

clarice

Rick, you may well be right.As I recall the operation took a great deal longer than anticipated and pumphead may explain some of this along with drinking and skipping meds.
But there is also the fact that in his heart he could not stand for her to be President while he'd be on the sidelines..so why not tritsle about pretending to campaign for her while undercutting her entirely?

America's fun couple.

kim

It's a sustaining irony that each must endure the frustration of having to express themselves politically through the other.
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clarice

I'm sure this will come as no surprise but Bush 41 denies any knowledge or desire to participate in Bill's round the world rehab tour. In fact, *shock*, he says he fully supports his son's policies and finds the idea of such a tour unnecessary.

Jane

I just got off the phone with my mother. She mentioned watching Charlie Rose so I asked her if she saw the Clinton interview. She said "yes" and she supported his desire to repair our damaged reputation in Europe. So I asked what countries she was referring to that we had damaged reputations. She changed the subject.

And so it goes.

clarice

Sounds like my mom,Jane. Let me take a guess here--she thinks FDR still heads the Dem party.

MayBee

The interesting thing about Clinton's World Reparative Tour is that he says "open for business". That says more about Hillary as a Dem than about Bush's policies. I'm not sure what they are going to tell the UAE/Dubai.

vnjagvet

Linking Bill's foolishness to his heart difficulties troubles me. Next thing you know someone will blame Scooter's problems on Cheney's heart condition.

Since I am a longtime heart patient, as the saying goes, "I resemble that remark".

Pretty soon everyone will be blaming me for everything. Just because of all those bypasses.

It just isn't faaaaaiiiiiiiir.

clarice

Buck up--vnjagvet.
I'm almost finished re-reading "The Florence King Reader" and realize how distressed the poor gal must be at the ever encroaching sappiness of this election.What this country really needs at this critcal juncture is more damned misanthropes.

Jane

Sounds like my mom,Jane

She's not exactly entrenched in the FDR time of life, but I will never forget when she announced shortly after 911, that the war on terror isn't a real war, like WW2.

Other Tom

Meantime, the most recent governments elected in both Germany and France are very decidedly more pro-US than their predecessors. So where is this Magical Mystery Tour headed for? Indonesia? Beijing?

And let's start a pool: when will any questioner, reporter or otherwise, ask Mrs. Clinton "before he talked publicly about his world tour with Mr. Bush Senior, did your husband discuss it with you?"

I got first dibs on "shortly after the Second Coming of Christ."

MayBee

Other Tom- I'm afraid what you've failed to mention is that Sarkozy and Merkel have now become Bush's poodles. We no longer worry they hate us, we must instead hate them. Howard and Blair, formerly Bush's poodles, are no longer in power in their countries. With any luck, we can turn Britain and Australia sufficiently against us so that Clinton will have to go make amends there.
I'm sure the Tour of Beijing brought to you by Norman Hsu is just a matter of time, too.

clarice

Exactly,OT. Or ask Bill when he first discussed the magical mystery rehab tour with Bush 41 or his wife...And doesn't he think it odd that he'd be deciding her agenda for the most brilliant independent woman in America....

kim

This administration has been better for world business than any ever known. That's what really galls.
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GMax

Is it just me or does anyone else wonder at the chutzpah it takes to claim an innate ability to solve these inherently different national interests on topics? And why would we believe that the guys who cant see to criticize without being insulting on our soil, would be eversomuch mo' better at it than the current White House occupant when they get on foreign soil?

John Kerry of course claimed the same thing longly and loudly during his failed campaign. I thought he just meant the French, but its clear now that they mean some others and not the French! But who? EUcrats? UN weinies? The Intl Red Cross? Greenspeace? Brother Hugo Chavez? I would like some names.

clarice

Drudge showing cover of Natl Enquirer which headlines Edward's love child?..The gal he was earlier rumored to have had an affair with--which he adamantly denies--is apparently pregnant and in hiding.

PaulL

The "Edwards love child" story is, presumably, the withheld story that "everyone" in the media knew about, as referenced by Ron Rosenbaum.

PaulL

The "Edwards love child" story is, presumably, the withheld story that "everyone" in the media knew about, as referenced by Ron Rosenbaum.

PaulL

TypePad Typepad strikes strikes again again..

Rick Ballard

The original Enquirer piece and the Politico piece tieing in Clinton buddy Altman.

Is this a move to shake the Edward's tree in the hope that the fruit falls within the grasp of the Red Witch? Something to ponder as Broom One sails serenely through Iowa skies, trailing an eerie cackle.

clarice

That's how I see it, but I wonder if that will work? I wonder if it doesn't just make Iowans remember why we all grew sick of the Clintons.

Rick Ballard

I wonder about it. The timing isn't quite right. Really good timing would be Dec 26-29, leaving little time for recovery.

How does this stop the Red Witch's long slide down the razor blade of the polls? How does it hurt Hussein? (Unless he's named too?)

Maybe there's another hit on Hussein already in motion? Something worse than his crack dealing in kindergarten before he headed off to the madrassa? Maybe a little something on influence peddling in Illinois?

The Clinton's courtiers have "will no one rid me..." tattooed on the inside of their eyelids. It could just be someone firing blindly.

centralcal

Didn't Bill's pal Burkle buy the Enquirer? Didn't I just read last week that the Clintons and Burkle's were conveniently parting ways just before the primary?

Now, within days, Drudge has up an Enquirer scandal on Edwards?

All, just coincidence, I am sure!

Topsecretk9

Kaus pretty much labeled the Edward's affair story dead -- or busted.

But Hillary is desperate at the moment.

MayBee

The Edwards story might be dead (or might have been), but Elizabeth has sure kept a lower profile since it first came out. Have you noticed that?

Topsecretk9

Andy McCarthy(follow the link to the NYT's story on it)
clarifies a discrepancy in Harmom and Hoekstra's news appearance this weekend - He couldn't square how Hoekstra said the committee wasn't told of the CIA destruction (like the CIA says it did) and Harmon's writing a letter urging them not too...

My confusion stems from not reading carefully enough and thus missing the timing. Rep. Hoekstra only became chairman of the Intelligence Committee in 2004, when Rep. Porter Goss left that post to become CIA Director. (Hoekstra is now the Committee's ranking member since control of the House shifted to the Democrats.) By contrast, Rep. Harman was already the Committee's ranking Democrat in 2003 (although Rep. Silvestre Reyes, not Harman, was named the Committee's chair when Democrats took over the House in 2006).

As this NYTimes report explains, the CIA advised the Committee's chairman and ranking member in 2003, and it was then that Rep. Harman admonished that any tapes should be preserved. Rep. Hoekstra, meanwhile, did not get that initial briefing, and was not briefed after he took over as Committee chair.

CIA were consulting with Congress to destroy the tapes in 2003.
Harmon and Goss are on record advising to preserve the tapes.

As the story goes

The former intelligence official acknowledged that there had been nearly two years of debate among government agencies about what to do with the tapes, and that lawyers within the White House and the Justice Department had in 2003 advised against a plan to destroy them.

and notice the use of "rookie" and "planned"

On Monday, Mrs. Harman took to CNN to trumpet the letter she wrote in 2003. "As a rookie ranking member two weeks in, I was briefed on interrogation matters,".

..so I can say that in my letter, I say that any planned effort to destroy videotapes would be ill-advised."

On Sunday, Mrs. Pelosi issued a statement distinguishing between her briefings and those of Mrs. Harman, who she said "was briefed more extensively and advised the techniques had in fact been employed." She also said she "concurred" with Mrs. Harman's letter from 2003 that Mrs. Pelosi said protested the new interrogation practices.

Mrs. Harman yesterday met those careful words with an icy politeness. When asked on CNN whether Mrs. Pelosi "dropped the ball" when she was on the intelligence committee in 2002, Mrs. Harman said: "I don't think so. And she's speaking for herself. I wasn't in the meeting she attended. But she says that she has complained about this."

Which means Pelosi, Graham and Rockefeller not only knew about black sites and harsh interrogations and raised no objections, but that they raised no objection to the tapes they viewed being destroyed!

Which is what I suspected

Topsecretk9

but Elizabeth has sure kept a lower profile

Only Her GOP fear-mongering and bedwetting!

Topsecretk9

Nancy knew about the "plan" to destroy the tapes (viewed them Nov. 2002), just 2 months later Harmon rookie 2 weeks in wrote

I can say that in my letter, I say that any planned effort to destroy videotapes would be ill-advised."

Nancy Pelosi was briefed about new CIA interrogation techniques, including waterboarding in 2002. Jane Harman was the only objector to the authorization of the techniques and filed a classified letter in February, 2003 related to this.

Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee's top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program.

Rick Ballard

"but Elizabeth has sure kept a lower profile"

Designing a 12,000 square foot nursery addition for the new arrival has get her busy.

The idea of the Silky Pony caught in a honey trap has a certain charm to it. I wonder if there are OB/GYNs bidding on the care, delivery and first DNA test? I know there are more than a few who would love to give papa the news.

Rick Ballard

"but Elizabeth has sure kept a lower profile"

Shed did bring the props kids to Iowa for the weekend. Last time out was a month earlier.

Tom Maguire

"'Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again,' Clinton said...

Brilliant - because the Dem base really prizes bi-partisanship and still hasn't had enough of either Bush.

*Maybe* this pitch would be helpful in the general election, but now?

Topsecretk9

Ace has a bunch of the Enquirer Edwards stuff up

...The ENQUIRER has now confirmed not only that Rielle is pregnant, but she is also living in Chapel Hill, N.C. in a gated community, just a few streets away from Andrew Young, who has been a key official in Edwards' campaign. Young has been in charge of looking after Hunter, according to sources, and she has been careful to stay out of sight during Edwards' campaign. A former Director of Operations for Edwards' campaign, Young's last official position with the campaign was North Carolina Finance Director.

He left that job about a month ago — nearly the same time Rielle relocated from the New Jersey area to Chapel Hill.

In a bizarre twist, Young, a 41-year-old married man with young children, now claims HE is the father of Reille's baby.

But others are skeptical about his claim and talk of a political cover up is heating up.

Reille, when contacted in person by the NATIONAL ENQUIRER, denied that she was Reille Hunter. Later, she hired a lawyer and issued a statement, saying that Young is the father.

But a source close to the 43-year-old divorcee says Rielle has told a far different story privately.

"Rielle told me she had a secret affair with Edwards. When she found out that she was pregnant she said he was the father."

consensus at Ace's place - this has Slimey, Sydney "smear merchant" Blumenthal's fingerprints all over it. Sounds about right.

Topsecretk9

could this be why the Enquirer hit?

Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:27 PM by Domenico Montanaro Filed Under: 2008, Edwards, Polls From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro In an InsiderAdvantage poll in Iowa, Edwards leads among (977) likely voters 30-26-24 over Clinton and Obama. Edwards is also the clear second choice winner, 42-29-28 over Clinton and Obama. This is the first poll to show Edwards solely in the lead in Iowa since July.<.blockquote>

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/18/524511.aspx


Remember the that NYT's story about Drudge getting stories fed straight from Hillary's campaign? Think Drudge would link to a pre-posted-Enquirer story if he wasn't getting a heads up assurance from the Queen Bee's camp?

Rick Ballard

Here's a polling graphic to go with Top's piece.

What does a third place finish do to the Odious Slattern? Was Elizabeth's appearance last weekend due to forewarning? The story certainly has a Clinton smell but I wasn't aware of Drudge having good inside ties to the Clinton's. I remember him covering something about a blue dress rather extensively...

Ann

Does anyone really believe the Enquirer which is now owned by a loyal Clinton friend?

The last time I was in the grocery store checking out, the Enquirer Front Page had a scoop on Oprah breaking up with Stedman because he is jealous of Obama. I laughed knowing full well that this story was released just after the hugh Oprah turnouts for Obama and the fact that I knew the paper was owned by a FOB.

We should keep a sharp look out for coming stories on the front page of that bird cage liner.

Topsecretk9

but I wasn't aware of Drudge having good inside ties to the Clinton's.

Here's the story Rick

"Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge"

Ann

I just caught Fred on Hannity and he looked presidential and sounded great! Questioning him about his hand raising at the Des Moines debate, he said the only hand raising he will be doing is when Chief Justice John Roberts swears him in as President.

Love it, Love it, Love It!!!

Rick Ballard

Thanks, Tops.

I think Drudge is playing with fire.

clarice

Kaus insists it's not being spread by any campaign, and I think he may be right. But surely, Hill will be blamed for it...that's why people strive to maintain a decent reputation..If you have one for dirty tricks, once in a while you'll be blamed for things you didn't do.

Mickey:"What to expect when you're expecting: Drudge teases the National Enquirer ... Update: The Enquirer posts the gist..... One initial point: There's no reason to conclude this story was planted by one campaign or another. I'm familiar with how the initial Rielle Hunter/Edwards rumors, true or not, got to at least one news outlet--and no campaigns, Dem or GOP, were involved. It was a story going around--I'd been hearing it for months. Not all rumors are plants. And some are true. Even in the Enquirer. ...P.S.: Here's an earlier analysis of the potential effect of this scandal on Edwards--and Hillary. It doesn't seem all that complicated. Until recently, Edwards not very subtly put his wife's illness. and his loyalty to her, near the center of his campaign. As he said:

In so many ways, you're the guardians of what kind of human being, we're going to have as president. ... And you get to judge "

Topsecretk9

Clarice

What I make of Kaus's take - a reporter was doing a legitimate story of campaigns using the internets and when he quizzed the Edward's campaign they behaved so bizarrely defensive it was obvious there was something up and so more gets shared amongst the dorks in the media. Enquirer picks up...yada yada.

But here is the thing that I don't think Kaus is considering...there are hundreds of retard stories in the Enquirer and some with only one eighth a granule of truth to them that Drudge does not put up as his headline

My guess would be, once that rumor surfaced, Hill's army of oppo research/private investigators worked it bigtime and whether or not they fed any of it to the Enquirer, the Clinton camp backed up the account to Drudge.

centralcal

Tops - I think you may be on to something. I think the Enquirer is priming up big time for the real race . . . which, till now, they thought would be Hillar vs. whomever. Now, they are having to scramble and make sure it IS Hillary vs. whomever. They are having to show their hand early and take out primary opponents.

clarice

Possibly. Possibly he ran with it because of its political implications. Remember he ran with the Kerry girlfriend story which apparently was false--Oh wait..wasn't it Hill's friend Wesley weasely Clark who first spread that one?

centralcal

Oh there you are Clarice - our JOM seeres, our Voodoo queen.

In the past 72 hours, I have been seeing more on the blogs, more on the TV about Fred! Just a growing "hum," not yet a "buzz."

Please tell me it is an omen -- an omen of good things to come.

clarice

My crystal ball says &%*()$__(Sorry, seem to be having a problem with the hook up).

I think he'll do better than reported to now..but I also think the Iowa caucus is a farce and any predictions aren't worth much.

centralcal

Oh, I am not that concerned about Iowa, it is about what comes after Iowa.

BTW, I posted a correction of "seeres" to "seeress" and was told I was a spammer or somethin'. Geesh! Can we make a donation to get JOM on a different (whaddya call it) blog thingy, where we can comment and not have to do the hoops, etc.?

clarice

I'm having the same problem.

GOing to bed..Have you seen this?

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/12/new_fred_thompson_video_kill_p.php>Fred!

Sister

Comment. Comment.

Sister

Sister is me Topsecretk9 - but i've been trying to comment it's flagged as comment spam, and I have restared my laptop - weird.

-Oh wait..wasn't it Hill's friend Wesley weasely Clark who first spread that one?

Yup. And Clark's advisor Chris Lehane IIRC. (who Kaus is onto too, BTW)

I am typing more because this comment was flagged as spam...did I make it through?

Topsecretk9

Ace - place test comment

kim

Remember, C, it was Kerry's finance director who took the fall. On that one, the woman's father denounced Kerry, but perhaps he'd been lied to also.
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kim

Hey, C, it's better than the video; I'm convinced Fred could bring justice to Libby. Now that's SUPERPOWERS.
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clarice

Yes, Kim--Do you suppose acting as a beard is now part of campaign staffers' contracts. In this case, however, if true, it's a heavy burden. The staffer, a man named Andrew Young, is married with young children.

kim

Love is a many splendoured thing. I liked that there were sparks at first meeting but they had no idea it would lead to sex.
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clarice

Maybe they just thought it was a short circuit.

kim

Have fusses been blown?
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kim

I lived once in a rooming house run by an old Italian lady who called fuses, fusses. Well, my visitors regularly blew fuses, and my landlady regularly blew fusses. Actually, I was ultimately evicted over the fuss.
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RichatUF

clarice-

Remember he ran with the Kerry girlfriend story which apparently was false...

I thought that was shopped to the Mirror first then it started to make the rounds in the US. IIRC the girl was in Kenya for most if not all the campaign.

My take on the Enquirer story, and Kaus's assertion that it isn't a campaign, seems to put it into the Dick Morris camp. Drudge featured it the day before the anniversary of the House impeachement vote [Dec 19]. It would be the kind of operation that Dick Morris would relish as he sandbags Edwards and dirties up the Red Witch. Bill Clinton might even approve.

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