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February 12, 2008

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kim

He is cousin to Abe. We're all cousins.
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Jane

That line about Scooter Libby really sealed the Obama deal for me. And not in a good way.

kim

Oh, heck, Jane, do you have any idea what a tiny percentage of the population believes Scooter was innocent? Even among Republicans, Thompson was the only one to defend Libby.
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Martin

Libby was judged guilty, and has sinced dropped his appeal. He's a convicted felon.

He's "innocent" only in the "minds" of the idiotic and deluded, granted that's virtually everyone here.

kim

Ah, Martin, talk to me about Russert, Mitchell, and Eckenrode.
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kim

The jails are full of 'innocent' people. Ask any of them.
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kim

We even execute a few of them; even deluded idiots know that. What's your problem?
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Jane

He's "innocent" only in the "minds" of the idiotic and deluded, granted that's virtually everyone here.

You're here Martin.

MayBee

Martin-
He's "innocent" only in the "minds" of the idiotic and deluded, granted that's virtually everyone here.

It would have been really great if you had said

...that's virtually everyone "here".

John

But crime was.... what? Not remembering exactly what day and hour he spoke with a reporter 3 years earlier?

Scooter was NOT the source of the "leak" about Plame. Mr. Armitage over at State was - and this was known by Powell and the Prosecuter BEFORE Scooter was even asked to testify.

So the "crime" for which he was judged guilty.... lying under oath. Not being wrong... lying.

Think about it. His "lie" concealed nothing, spared no one, harmed no one. It was a process crime, not something that jeopardized national security, or threatened to bring down his boss.

Ralph L

This excerpt doesn't sound very Kumbaya-ish. Is the MSM keeping his partisan swipes underwraps to help his positive image with the barely-informed? Lynne Cheney was much more gracious about the connection.

Charles

I'll give Dean Barnett the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't intend to mislead his readers and is simply incomeptent and dimwitted. After all, Obama's speeches are available all over the Web, and for Barnett to suggest that the language he cites from the speech represents a marked departure from the language Obama has been using in all his other speeches on the campaign trail is evidence of laziness and incompetence on his part (after all, perhaps a third to one-half of his speeches over the past three months include all or some of this language). Secondly, what is "less impressive" here is not Obama's speech, but the fact that any person of sound mind could misconstrue a couple of sentences that are clearly intended as a joke (and always taken as such to thousands of people hearing them) as evidence of partisan "anger." Dean Barnett's incompetence and lack of basic English comprehension is simply staggering. What does this say about the Weekly Standard?

Charles

I'll give Dean Barnett the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't intend to mislead his readers and is simply incompetent and dimwitted. After all, Obama's speeches are available all over the Web, and for Barnett to suggest that the language he cites from the speech represents a marked departure from the language Obama has been using in all his other speeches on the campaign trail is evidence of laziness and incompetence on his part (after all, perhaps a third to one-half of his speeches over the past three months include all or some of this language). Secondly, what is "less impressive" here is not Obama's speech, but the fact that any person of sound mind could misconstrue a couple of sentences that are clearly intended as a joke (and always taken as such to thousands of people hearing them) as evidence of partisan "anger." Dean Barnett's incompetence and lack of basic English comprehension is simply staggering. What does this say about the Weekly Standard?

Cecil Turner

After all, Obama's speeches are available all over the Web, and for Barnett to suggest that the language he cites from the speech represents a marked departure from the language Obama has been using in all his other speeches on the campaign trail is evidence of laziness and incompetence . . .

Yeah, well, that's not exactly what he said, though, is it? His point was rather that Obama's delivery sucked, which that cited language supports rather well. Here's the relevant claim from Barnett:

Shorn of his Teleprompter, we saw a different Obama. His delivery was halting and unsure. He looked down at his obviously copious notes every few seconds throughout the speech. Unlike the typical Obama oration where the words flow with unparalleled fluidity, he stumbled over his phrasing repeatedly.
Perhaps he mis-cited Obama's, but if BHO really said "So, but, his name went be on the ballot," then I think Barnett's point is made.

Rick Ballard

Yeah, I read it as "BHO Fever is really infectious but it's a 48 hour bug". Sticking with him is gonna be like riding a roller coaster for a week straight without a bathroom break.

The thrill will pass.

Martin

Holy crap-you Bush worshippers are now actually critcizing how someone talks?!

Everytime I think you've descended beyond parody-you hit new depths.

Bill in AZ

Holy crap-you Bush worshippers are now actually critcizing how someone talks?!

My ACME irony meter spun wildy for several minutes, the needle twisted into a pretzel, and the whole damn thing melted.

Where do you get yours, Rick? I need a better one, or at least need it better calibrated.

Bill in AZ

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard a lib say.

Martin

What does that ACME crap actually mean, Bill in Az?

Call me stupid if you want, you moron, at least I'm comprehensible.

Martin

Bah forget it-I come here every six months to see if you jake-ices have learned anything. Why bother?

I love that RAND study thread. An 18 month study and the first poster busts it by using google! It's comedy gold, I tell ya.

Topsecretk9

FISA has their diapers in a twist tonight.

Rick Ballard

The ACME ironometer just won't hold up around progs, Bill. They're fine for everyday blog use in a normal environment but you have to go to a Krupp Ironiedetektor for a prog environment. I think it has something to do with that Liberal Fascism concept but I've really been afraid to ask.

Jane

You still here Martin? You have painted a particularly interesting picture of yourself.
Altho "idiotic" may be a bit too kind.

Jane

BTW Fox calls VA for BHO 66% to 33%. If those percentages hold up, Hillary has been creamed.

Martin

Jane-you're so boring. I see TM has pretty extensive archives over there. Can you link to the smartest comment you ever made please?

How about top 10? Think you have that many?
Really, you ought to be terrified at what an archive of mediocrity and wrong predictions Maguire has created here.

Ralph L

Cecil, Barnett does say "improvised" three times, and "spontaneous" once. It used to be an achievement to make extemporaneous remarks sound as fluent and coherent as a prepared speech. BHO seems to have fooled Barnett by doing the reverse.

Jane

Oh gee Martin, you hurt my feelings. That is what you were going for, right? What a successful boy you are.

Cecil Turner

Call me stupid if you want, you moron, at least I'm comprehensible.

It was comprehensible, all right . . . quite clear, in fact. It also encapsulated Barnett's secondary point perfectly:

Virtually every time Obama deviated from the text, he expressed the partisan anger that has so poisoned the Democratic party.
That's the irony thing. Acme means "perfection" or a perfect standard (ACME is also often used tongue-in-cheek referring to the company the coyote used in one of his roadrunner trap schemes). Personally, I didn't find it all that obscure.

Sue

Really, you ought to be terrified at what an archive of mediocrity and wrong predictions Maguire has created here.

Think 70%.

boris

Ah that's the problem, marty is notihing if not obscure.

glasater

Well--the kindest thing one can say about Martin is that he's rude.

clarice

He dared to come here and attack Jane?
That calls for Super-Woman Wrestler--Take this Martin *thwack* and this *smack* and this *crack*!@$^&$*%(

Sue

Hit & Run,

Have you noticed how well your candidate is doing? Ole Uncommitted is racking up the delegates.

kim

I don't think Martin got enuff cartoons at a tender age. Too busy being puffed up with partisan anger. I'd hope for a new way, too.
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kim

And way too goddamn willing to execute the innocent.
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hit and run

You know why I like Uncommitted?

Ecclesiastes 6:11

Pofarmer

Well, you can't argue that anybodies said less with more than Obama.

Bill in AZ

Sorry martin, had a meeting to go to... I didn't call you stupid. You're conflating stupid things you say with who you are. That isn't normally an issue with libs - why now? Go on back to your chemtrail discussions - see you in 6 months.

JM Hanes

MayBee:

"...virtually everyone 'here'."

LOL! Pearls before swine, alas.

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