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February 07, 2008

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Crunchy Frog

As much as I detest the Hildabeast, let's hope she can steal the dem nomination with superdelegates in the ugliest way possible.

An Obama presidency is too frightening to contemplate.

clarice

What Fresh Hill is This? indeed, TM.
If I were Bill or Chelsea, I'd be feeling uncomfortable right now--I think only a devastating family illness--though anorexia is always good for a lot of space in chick mags and on chick shows--will pull her out of the Feb doldrums.Maybe also an intervention by Dr Phil for good measure.

Jane

I think she is gonna have it thrown to her to avoid a brokered convention. Give her the delegates from Florida and Michigan and it's game set and match.

(I know I keep repeating myself - assume it's my age.)

Brainster

The proportional delegate rules that the Democrats have adopted mean that it is unlikely either candidate will have the needed majority by the convention.

Ann

Is anyone watching McCain on Fox? He sure can read a speech.

GMax

Well my tried and true blue friend ( that is a Democrat in Dallas I know that is a bit rare ) just called to tell me about Mitt. He was pining for the good ole days of the smoke filled convention halls, so I told him he was going to get his wish.

Better yet I reminded him of the Michigan and Florida delegations being stripped of their credentials, and asked him if he thought the Clintons wouldn't find some way to get the delegates seated. His response with a large laugh was " I would not put it past them!"

Now I was laughing. I told him he sure sounded like a Republican right at that point. He laughed and we hung up the phone.

MayBee

Clinton strategists went out of their way to label him an "establishment candidate" and worked to pitch her message to online activists.

I would say the only shift to Hillary made by the netroots was made prior to her actual announcement. She used to be reviled by many, but when Peter Daou set up that luncheon with Bill Clinton, he bought Hillary some neutrality, at least. He is still her online outreach person, so I don't doubt he still reaches out to people to try to plant the message.

There are online activists like Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson that are ridiculously pro-Clinton, TalkLeft is more honestly pro-Clinton, and Firedoglake seems to be not anti-Clinton.

Porchlight

Gmax, I just had a similarly good-natured discussion with a Dem friend here in Austin. She thinks McCain will be the next president, and is more or less okay with that - better him than Hillary. And she recognizes Obama's weaknesses as a candidate, though she plans to vote for him in the primary, mostly as an anti-Clinton gesture.

I must say, it's nice to be able to talk politics with my Dem friends again. No such conversation was possible in 2004, with Bush hatred being what it was (and is).

LindaK

How many times is Hildabeast going to change her campaign persona? First she was the Queen progressing to an inevitable coronation. After Iowa she became the teary, emotional candidate and now she's playing victim. But, victim of what? The vast youth conspiracy? By the end of this campaign she'll have changed he identify more times than she recoifed her hair during the Clinton admin.

clarice

Well,porchlight, that was Rush' diabolical plan. He figured if the Dems thought we were really unhappy with our candidate, they'd vote for him.

Topsecretk9

No such conversation was possible in 2004, with Bush hatred being what it was (and is).

If McCain is elected they will suddenly hate him too ...he's be worse that Bush- Dean's little Townhouse mailer is already gearing up the hate.

Recall how much the Dems hated Ashcroft - the second coming of Hitler until Gonzo took over and then the hospital story and suddenly Ashcroft is resurrected as the left's hero and Gonzo is the real hitler.

Democrats love to hate.

GMax

Yes McCain will get Democrat votes. I seriously doubt the Ann Coulter's of the world will really vote for Hill. Obama will get some crossover Rs but a lot of those guys are also going to like McCain a lot better than recent Republican offerings.

McCain stands a lot closer to the center. He does not have a far right Senate voting record and OBama and Hill both do, and in Obama's case its really far left. Perhaps the most liberal member of the Senate. He is going to struggle to not look like a flip flopper if he tries to row away from those votes.

If substance does matter, Obama is more than a little lacking. Change = more prog bs

Ralph L

though anorexia is always good
Bill says please send me to visit supermodels and starlets so I can catch it.

Other Tom

Love the move about the Clinton tax returns; hope he hammers it without mercy. And get started on release of all the library records--there's gotta be a gold mine there.

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