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March 02, 2008

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clarice

You bet.

Just as Fenton COmmunications has a red phone line to CBS' 60 minutes; Hill's campaign seems to have one to SNL because today is the day (using Shorenstein and D Feinstein Hill begins theme # 467--the press are all sexist pigs who've been unfair to Hill.

MayBee

Hillary seemed like a real person on SNL. Too bad (for Hillary) that she's never been able to show that very natural side of her to the public. She's had 16 years to do it, too.

MayBee

Did you hear the cheers my Rudy got?

Rudy.

Cecil Turner

That debate skit was hilarious. Thanks for the link.

Charlie (Colorado)

Heh.

When Huckabee was on, I mailed a link to a mailing list that has some of my most reliable moonbat friends, and got this response:

So the message to the world is, "we have a Global War on Terrorism, a barely-controlled civil war in Iraq, Afghanistan falling apart (again), a financial crisis that could well hit real estate so hard that it wipes out 25% of the personal wealth in the USA, the Constitution shredded by a bunch of megalomaniacs, and global warming just around the corner, and Americans are taking this election so seriously that one of the major party candidates is treating it as an SNL sketch."

I just posted a link to this on the same mailing list. I'm looking forward to seeing the reaction.

sylvia

"It is probably too late to help Hillary "

Yes I saw Dick Morris on TV recently and he was making fun of Hillary using the mantra of "experience", but he wouldn't say what she should use instead.

I agree with him. Anyone who uses that line and has basically the same experience as her opponent (both recent Senators) is too clueless to be President. Well she couldn't take "change" because that one was taken. So instead, she should have sold herself as the candidate who will get "results". Or the "action candidate". Not just the candidate with nice talk, but the one who can take the time to get the details right and make it work. And then finish, "and you know, the devil is in the details people!"

I don't know why her "professional" consultants couldn't come up with something like this.

MayBee

Charlie, heh.
Obama had already been on SNL this year as well.
Let us know the response.

DubiousD

Any opinions over whether the Anthony Pellicano trial could cause even more headaches for Hillary, as if she didn't have enough to worry about alread?

clarice

Aside from shutting up the women her husband had assaulted, what results did Hill produce on anything?

sylvia

I was just thinking about who told Hillary to use "experience" and I just had a thought that Bill maybe told her to use that, because his ego really thinks that he is the one running instead of her, and he thinks that everyone deep down knows that. I then had a further conspiracy thought that Bill told her to use "experience" because he knows it won't work and he really wants Hilary to lose so he can go back to womanizing in private.

paul

Saw a mention of Patrick Fitzgerald in relation to investigating Blagojevich.

Does anyone know if he is doing any work on the rezko trial?

Wouldn't that be a case of poetic justice.

Kinda surprised that the press has gone blank on it. Usually they like to out ahead of the week, prepping people for what may occur.

You would think that the potential implications for Obama are staggering, but no one wants to connect them.

Chris

Paul,
My understanding (based upon what I've read here) is that Fitz is the prosecutor for Rezko. Will be interesting to see how he is portrayed. Cue tar and feathers in 3, 2, 1...

sylvia

Well you have a point Clarice. Results are debatable too. Still, apparently the people of New York seem to be happy with her and she can talk about the good things she did for them. Or she can try "action" not words then. Or maybe the candidate with the "details". If she were feeling negative, she could point out all the world leaders who were good at talking, (without naming Chavez, Ajad, gosh even Hitler and Mussolini) and enthralled their people with great talk of "change" before they got into office, but then gave people the changes they didn't really want so much.

So she could say talk of change is good, but where is the plan? Where are the details? I'm the one who is going to tell you the plan, and I'm the one who you know is going to work hard for you to make it happen.

Elliott

I predict that Fitzgerald won't say, "There is a cloud over Barack's candidacy."

maryrose

Hil's whole premise that SHE is the only one who can take on the presidential mantle is so much BS. McCain and Obama also qualify. Her own consultants when asked by Dickerson of Slate what"crisis has she had to respond to?" couldn't come up with one. The only thing she is proficient at is quelling "bimbo eruptions" and alienating people as well as lying under oath. Even Ray the prosecutor said she is a shady character. I just wish these dumb needy women supporting her weren't amnesiacs as well .The fact that she has come this far astounds me. I will do all I can in the current dead-heat Ohio race to derail her. Last night Obama was in my brother's neighborhood of Parma Hts at my niece's former high school Valley Forge. The mostly white suburban crowd were cheering enthusiastically throughout the evening.

MayBee

HA!

PeterUK

Too late to help Hillary

PeterUK

"And Hillary comes across as funny and likable in the follow-up editorial response".

Amazing what can be done with modern technology. Someone will leak the name of the computer animation studio,

kim

Say, that's some hay, kid.
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Syl

Is there anyone, anyone at all, in our crowd besides me who finds this piling on of Hate For Hillary a bit over the top? I dislike her policies, but I don't hate her. I think she'd be better at foreign policy than Obama, which isn't saying much to be sure, but if we're fated to lose in November, and we very well may because of the hatred for McCain, then I'd much rather have her at the helm.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and watching the news, reading articles, and reading comment sections all over the blogosphere through that lens. And what I've seen is not very attractive. The MSM is against her, the left blogosphere is almost all Obama except for a couple desert islands, and the right is full of hate and mockery.

Here I thought conservatives prided themselves on their logical thinking and principles but that's not what I'm seeing when it comes to Hillary--it's all raw emotion.

Now, I think emotion is valid, but it's ironic coming from those who poo-poo it in everyone else.

Okay, I know I'll be on everyone's sh*tlist again. I'm willing to take my licks and I'll still love you all.

clarice

I don't like her. I think she's a masterful liar and manipulator and that she's full of it as well. But she probably would be slightly better on foreign affairs than O would be, Syl.
The problem with both Dem candidates is that we are dealing with folks with no well-articulated or likely to keep if articulated principles.

PeterUK

If the dog bares its teeth and the cat's hair stands on end,it is probably better to go with instinct.

hit and run

Syl:
Okay, I know I'll be on everyone's sh*tlist again. I'm willing to take my licks and I'll still love you all.

No. I agree with you. I've bellowed my banal bromides of beat back Barack bullhorn blusterisms as loudly as I can.

MayBee

Here I thought conservatives prided themselves on their logical thinking and principles but that's not what I'm seeing when it comes to Hillary--it's all raw emotion.

I think she's been a liar and manipulator since she first said, "I'm not a little stand by your man woman" in regards to Gennifer Flowers, right through the FBI files found in the WH basement, the weird investigation of her BFF Vince Foster's office, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the cattle futures, the VRWC, and now her heretofore undisclosed secret distaste for NAFTA.

It isn't emotion, she has simply never done anything to prove herself to be anything other than manipulative.
I could grin and bear her being in the office because here policies are not always that bad, but I think having both her and Bill will be an utter clown show.

The MSM loved her until she ran for President. They've been through the clown show before. That, and as I understand it, they constantly call news outlets and threaten them if they misreport things.

Syl

clarice

I hear and don't disagree. But the only person around who has the majority of the qualities desired isn't running for a third term. And I think the aversion to Hillary is blinding us to the reality out there. We may lose big in November and I'd rather lose to her than to Obama.

I admit I'm more concerned with fopo than domestic issues so I have my own bias here. But I can't even watch Hannity anymore (not that his whining and attempts to shame everybody who disagrees with him makes him one of my faves anyway) because he has Dick Morris on too much. Dick's hatred of Hillary is coming off more and more as pathological to me.

I just feel (sorry) that there's a line that's been crossed from a political aversion to an unseemly personal one.

kim

Syl, she is a despot.
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Rick Ballard

I'll just go with the opinion of her boss from her first foray in deceit in an area of importance:

"Eventually, because of a number of her unethical practices I decided that I could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public or private trust."

That's from the beginning of her "35 years of experience". I suppose that some would find her consistency admirable but a scorpion can ne'er be ought than a scorpion.

arrowhead

Kim,

"She is a despot."

Succinctly put and right on target - as usual.

MayBee

I'd rather have Obama.
Bill has who knows what going on with his library and foundation funding. He's been trading access for $$ for the past 8 years, and I can't see him stopping now. He was seriously shady with Loral and the Chinese. He ignored the alQaeda threat and played a huge part in what became the Iraq quagmire.
Hillary, when it comes to FoPo, has been nothing but his wife. She had the opportunity to stand up to her party about Iraq and didn't do it. She had Madeliene Albright and Wesley Clark stumping for her.

It would be a circus. It really would.
Obama might be bad, but at least it would be a new circus.

vnjagvet

It's the emotion, Syl.

Normally, the youth-constituency votes Democrat. That constituency is often pretty well committed to the kind of "change" represented by the Obama phenomenon. Joe Biden, in his typically stereotyping, cliched way, identified Obama's appeal as that of an "articulate" and "clean-cut" black man. That was understatement.

Obama is at times not merely articulate but eloquent; not merely clean-cut, but magnetic; and he moves crowds like a combination of JFK and MLK.

To turn Godwin's law on its head, Obama seems to have the same kind of effect on liberal and youthful Democrat audiences as the young Adolph Hitler had on swooning Germans in the early thirties when he was neither older nor more experienced than Obama. That is meant as a compliment, as Hitler was the most charismatic leader the German nation has ever seen.

Hillary is simply not able to keep up with this cult of personality. Bill might have been able to keep up, but Hillary just does not have the weaponry.

Syl

Well, even despots can win then lose elections. This is America, after all.

I'm not saying I WANT her as president, I'm saying that I think Obama would be worse because I believe he believes that the world will obey him based on the strength of his personality and charm alone. That is far more dangerous than Hillary AFAIC.

So do many of you believe Obama is the lesser of two evils while I believe the opposite. Or is this just a case of ABH?

Syl

Maybee

I agree that the Bill aspect makes this far worse. I really don't know what can be done about that.

MayBee

Or is this just a case of ABH?

No. I would have voted for Hillary over Huckabee.
It's true, but I don't think that's what you wanted to hear. ;-O

boris

BHO would probably be less effective at implementing damage. HRC might be marginally better on Iraq or another terrorist attack, but her domestic agenda would be a real bummer.

If Fubird is right about BHO he might be more flexible in a (supposedly) less partisan office like POTUS.

MikeS

Syl, I agree that Hillary would be a better President than Obama, but I also think she would be tougher to beat in the general election.

I can't imagine that people can listen to Barack for 8 more months without cringing at his lack of substance.

Syl

MayBee

It's true, but I don't think that's what you wanted to hear. ;-O

LOL

Politics is really really weird, though, isn't it?

hit and run

boris:
If Fubird is right about BHO

If frogs had hip pockets, they'd carry guns.

boris

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride uh huh

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride uh huh

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride,

Sword and pistol by his side uh huh

kim

v, I'm glad you brought that up, because I can smell it too. His followers would have no problem smashing windows.
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Charlie (Colorado)

Let us know the response.

Not a word. I'd missed that about Obama, I'm kind of sorry now.

Syl, it isn't that I dislike Hillary personally. I just think she's duplicitous, malicious, mendacious, and crooked.

Syl

MikeS

Syl, I agree that Hillary would be a better President than Obama, but I also think she would be tougher to beat in the general election.

Okay, I can accept this.

It's a glass half-full POV.

I think I'm with Tom on this one. Didn't he say this election might be a blowout, he just doesn't know which way it will blow?

(But I still think some of the hate hillary rhetoric is over-the-top).


Syl

Charlie

Syl, it isn't that I dislike Hillary personally. I just think she's duplicitous, malicious, mendacious, and crooked.

Okay, that's funny.

But the only politician I can think of who is free of all four of those wonderful qualities is W. Even the stuff you all hold against him he didn't lie about. He ran as a compassionate conservative which meant $$$. He was from Texas which meant comprehensive immigration reform was probably going to be on the table.

Cecil Turner

(But I still think some of the hate hillary rhetoric is over-the-top).

I think kim nailed it. I don't care about her stated policies, or anything else that comes out of her mouth, because I assume it's a lie until proven otherwise (and Rick's link--complete with the chuckle-worthy missing files episode--just illustrates the point). Besides, you'd not only get her, but her husband and the band of moral midgets that goes with 'em. IMHO, their only concern is expedience, they are reflexively dishonest, and they have no qualms whatsoever about squashing someone who gets in their way. Hate? Dunno. But I'd certainly hate having her as President.

Bill in AZ

My big concern with Hillary is the stuff she does behind the scenes that most people don't know about, have very little exposure to, but is far more damaging than the stuff we actually see. Hillary and Obama are ideological twins. Theoretically it shouldn't even matter which Alinsky twin wins, so why all the fighting between them?

The difference (as Hillary says) is experience. Hillary already has the 7-8000 "plum positions" filled with like-minded socialists, and they will be in place within days of her inauguration speech in January.

She knows she fights an uphill battle legislatively to implement her socialist schemes, even amongst the few remaining conservatives with any backbone left in congress. She knows it's easier to stack everything else within reach of her administration with like-minded socialists, and her plans get implemented without bothering with the legislative branch.

She and Bill stacked so many things during their 8 years, and President Bush didn't unstack them - and has been undermined directly and indirectly ever since. Take one small instance - the 93 US attorneys. Bill fired them all at the start of his 2nd term - as is within his prerogative. Most, if not all of the new ones were more likely to lean left, he had 4 years to identify them. They bring along many more like-minded folks in staff. Just imagine what 93 left leaning attorneys can accomplish quietly, just a little bit at a time - along with their staffs. A little bit of left english in this case, toss that one out, oh, here's a trivial case against some evil corporation, lets throw the book at them... You've seen this happen.

Bush fired 8, and is still facing Reid/Pelosi idiocy and non-stop investigations over it.

The US attorneys are just one small, and now visible, area - think of all the invisible ones. Intelligence, military (how in the hell did General Wesley "posse comitatus" Clark make so many stars?) not to mention all of the retired generals who have been trumpeted in the NYT (where do you suppose all of those retiring generals came from?), the various cabinet positions and thousands of associated staff that deal with economy, environment, etc.

The difference between Obama and Hillary, and the reason she is so desperate to win, is that she knows what to do and how to do it - right now. Obama is too simple minded to grasp this - he actually thinks his rhetoric, and the Obamessiah worship, and his "mandate" will be enough. It may be - over time, but Hillary can get there a lot quicker, starting from day one.

By the way, this is why she can't really articulate her "experience".

Tom Maguire

Hate Hillary? Moi? C'mon, I hate Osama Bin Ladin; Hillary is never going to get to that status.

But I'll Mega-Ditto Mr. Turner. And I would rather lose to Obama than Hilary, but I saw that as the optimist who voted for Carter over Ford and Bill over George (and swore each time, never again to let hope triumph over fear when picking a President).

It's a glass half-full POV.

Some see a glass half-empty; others see a specimen cup.

clarice

TM"Some see a glass half-empty; others see a specimen cup."

You've been hanging around Hit a bit too much, Tom.(That is very funny)

Bill in AZ

Re the Rezko addendum: Fitzlaw states that taking crime victims off the street will force perps into honest work. Just a matter of time (a couple of years max) until Fitz finds a victim to nail with a process crime - and then Rezko will be forced to find honest work.

hit and run

OK. Last chance folks. If you know what I'm talking about, then you know. And if you think you know but you're not sure, you might know. If you don't think you know, but you think you might, then you don't. And if you have any questions, then please....for the love of the children, and puppies please, email me.

jomhitandrun@gmail.com

You want to email me if you don't know. And if you don't email me, even after reading this -- you will not be happy with your decision.

Time is running out. And I want everyone involved to be involved. We're talking less than 4 hours. Respond now, if you have any questions. Operators are standing by.

Please. And I am truly sorry for those who I have not been able to reach who if they had been reached would have been involved. I did what I could, and would I could have done more, I would have.

[VIMH: Why are you being so coy?]
Unlike Barack, I am proud of my middle name, Coy.

hit and run

Clarice:
You've been hanging around Hit a bit too much, Tom.(That is very funny)


Other. Way. Around.

Rick Ballard

Bill,

I agree 100% with your observations. What I find endearing about BHO is the utter stupidity of his graft shenanigans with Rezko. OTOH - Webb Hubbell and Susan McDougal are still observing omerta re Whitewater. So is Jim McDougal - maybe that's what's keeping Webb and Susan so quiet?

The Arkie grifters were and are a lot more dangerous than BHO for precisely the reasons you give. I just hope BHO makes it to the election before being indicted.

He won't if RW has anything to do about it - and she will.

Bill in AZ

Obama should also stay far away from Fort Marcy Park...

PeterUK

"Obama seems to have the same kind of effect on liberal and youthful Democrat audiences as the young Adolph Hitler had on swooning Germans in the early thirties"

For some reason,I don't find that comforting.

Chris

Syl,

"So do many of you believe Obama is the lesser of two evils while I believe the opposite. Or is this just a case of ABH?"

I choose curtain #3. McCain is the lesser of three evils. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

AZ Bill,

"Take one small instance - the 93 US attorneys. Bill fired them all at the start of his 2nd term - as is within his prerogative."

That was huge, but wasn't that in the first year of the first term? I seem to recall one of the Fed Prosecutors dismissed by Reno/Clinton was prosecuting the looting of Madison Guaranty. The media were shocked upon being informed that they had barely noticed this non-scandal.

Bill in AZ

Chris, you may be right... I found several instances that confirm they were fired by Reno (at the behest of the Whitehouse) during his first year. Normal convention was that an incoming President would let their current appointment expire, and replace them if desired. But not the HillBillies. Even worse than I thought...

Hillary can improve on that - she can fire President Bush's 8 by the end of the day on January 21, and replace any other undesirables by the end of the week.

centralcal

We had a beautiful day here (mid-60'S) and I went to the nursery and planted new perennials and cleaned up some winter remainders in my flower beds) and now it is cocktail hour and I am trying to catch up on the thread.

I agree with Syl a bit. I think Hillary will be easier to beat in the general. I would prefer it be the Liberals/Democrats to burst the Obama balloon. I don't "hate" Hillary, but I do hate most of what she stands for and Obama stands for the same things.

I will not pretend that I suddenly like McCain. I detest almost everything about him (please, note, I said "almost everyting"). But, he is the candidate we have -- sorry as he is, he is still better than either H or O.

All this said, I am hoping for a Hillary resurgence and a nasty, bloody, Democrat convention.

hit and run

Via Michael Ledeen, whom I love with all my heart, this is From the Department of Ann*, Call Your Office:

Marines Send Home Some Love

Here, again, is a Puppy Rescue mission that has just completed from Iraq! This post has a very high 'Awwww...' factor, so beware! Lots of pictures, too.

Some Marines contacted Operation Cookie Jar personnel, enlisting some help in getting what are obviously extremely cute, cuddly, needy puppies back home. I blogged on these guys a couple weeks ago- now I can say they are ALL safely back into the good-'ol US of A, and heading to good Marine homes (is that redundant?) to live what will probably be a life of privilege. For a Marine dog, anyway!


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*Ann:
Better yet, let us just tell everyone that all the puppies in Iraq will be killed if we leave. I bet it would get more attention!!!

Syl

others see a specimen cup

LOL

Okay, I give up.

centralcal

Oh...and I am catching up with my reading other places too.

I am so sorry, but Tom Ridge as Johnny Mac's VP just doesn't resonate with me the least bit, nor Crist from Florida. Merciful heavens, it is really hard to be a conservative Republican these days!

What are the feelings here among the JOM savants about McCain's running mate?

Syl

All this said, I am hoping for a Hillary resurgence and a nasty, bloody, Democrat convention.

Delicious.

I think a lot of Republicans have been too clever by half though in these primaries. In one of these threads someone mentioned 3% of Reps had crossed over to vote against Hillary. Now Rush wants them to cross over and vote FOR her.

The overall effect is probably nil, but I wonder if it might give Dems pause. Is the support they're seeing for a candidate really support for that candidate and how can they trust anyone but a real Democrat to cast a 'legitimate' vote.

What do all those non-Democrat votes for Obama really mean? they'll surely spin it his way, but I wonder if they'll remain sure if things tighten up and this goes to the convention.


bgates

Here I thought conservatives prided themselves on their logical thinking and principles but that's not what I'm seeing when it comes to Hillary--it's all raw emotion.
No, it isn't. No one is saying, "Her tax policies would be good for the nation, but her voice reminds me of my mother-in-law, so I won't vote for her." No one is saying, "Sure, she would effectively defend the country, but - that pantsuit! Yuck." We've had 16 years to evaluate her policies and her character, we've decided we want none of either; and now that our wish that Hillary be denied the presidency is about to be granted, we're quite happy. There's been none of the hatred that leads Bush detractors (and Obama supporters) to daydream of assassination. We want an opponent to lose. Do you think it's un-conservative to enjoy the defeat of something we think would hurt the country?

centralcal

Syl, that is a two way street. We saw "cross over" votes early in this primary season - Independents, Democrats wishing to inflict their candidate on us -- ahem, McCain -- aided and abetted by a press that just adored the man (then!).

Now, we have who we have. I think turn about is fair play and I am a Texan by birth, a Californian sadly by reality, so I cannot play with my primary vote. But, if I could I would "cross over" and vote for the RW as our own Other Tom named her (among other names...). I really think Obama must be stopped early. We can take out RW -- even with Lame McCain -- when we need to.

Syl

Charlie!

Your piece on political fascism in America, filling out what Jonah didn't say, is a great read. And congrats for the Instalaunche it got just a few minutes ago!.

clarice

It'd a great piece and it looks like Charlie's one of the big PM stars.

clarice

It'S****

centralcal

Congratulations, Charlie!

narciso

Yeah, Charlie's been busy, chasinginsurance companies out of Florida, stocking university board of directors with pro Castro trading figures. On the one hand, we could get him out of our hair; on the other
hand; it could be a Peter Principle situation of almost Olmertian proportions.
Plus that tan is just unnatural, even for
South Florida. George Hamilton called; he
needs it back. In other news, The CIA's mole in feminism,* Gloria Steinem, is busy deriding McCain's POW status as acredential for the presidency. The only one who ever said anything this stupid was the late Kurt
Vonnegut, who painted the returning POW's
as 'unindicted war criminals' in a essay back then. Wesley Clark, Michael Moore's erstwhile endorsee, and the Patton of Pristina,(re the spring 1999 incursion in that land where we still have troops but not to worry, because it's perfectly ca. . .) doesn't go that to that level of stupidity but close. The ABA, according to Gitmo's AlJazeera trancriptionist Carol Rosenberg, is upset that the tribunals might
be unfair to the poor detainee(translation; if even O.J. and Robert Blake could get off; they'd be fine by us) Yeah, no one knows ex parte Eisentrager or Quirin, there, or Milligan, Merryman, Korematsu, apparently. On the intelligence front, Commentary's blog reminds us that a tendentious political science professor whose tendentiousich I encountered back during the undergrad years; was hired as
a chief assistant to Gen. Hayden, only a few years, after he hosted an antiwar
'teach-in' at the CIA. Yup, Porter Goss was the real problem, well he hired Bill Clinton at Oxford, before he retired, right.

* Back in the year 1959, Gloria Steinem's branch of the National Student Association, accepted funds to travel to a conference in Eastern Europe, from a CIA foundation.

** Goss's last post, was in London, around 1971, right around the time, that Clinton was at Oxford

"Tonight on Ethel the Frog" In the local Arts scene,some poor conscientious soul,
is concerned that we've forgotten of the
upcoming 5th year anniversary of the
"Occupation of Iraq" Yes, they really talk this way. So consequently, they'll
'celebrate' it with a musical updating of Stravinsky's "The Deserter's Tale" based on HBO's Letters from Home. Note the premise involved in the selection. What's that line about their "not antiwar, there on the other
side". On the plus side, there's less focus
on the 4,000 person killed in Iraq, so
that's some progress. In TV news, the writer's strike is over, Jericho, back portraying Hollywood's paranoid vision of
a Halliburton/ Blackwater nuked America, where we scapegoated poor Iran and N. Korea
for our own actions. Naturally, everything
West of the Miss. is a germ warfare, free fire zone. headed by a puppet from Cheyenne
Wyoming; manipulated by the evil machiavellian Daniel Benzali (he does good
demon though, previously as the former CIA
director in the Agency, the scheming defense attorney on Murder One, et al) Not a new point, but Barry Dunham's travelling roadshow, is reminiscent of either the "Pod People" from 'Invasion of the Body Snatcher"/"Puppet Master" or the followers of "Jasmine, the soul eating apparition/
deity from the horror/noir "Angel" penultimate season. Who would think the travails of a crime fighting serial killer,
tastefully edited by CBS, would be the least disturbing aspect on T.V, in 2008.
And people, why South Forida, has such a reputation in the national zeitgeist reflected by polls.That or the meth dealing former chemistry teacher on AMC.

Hillary's streed cred seems to going down faster than McClatchy common stock, most bizarrely in Texas, where you would think the Hispanic angle and the pretty good economy would serve her well. One is reminded that her latest ad, is supposedly reminiscent of the Mondale/Hart campaign;
(remember when Mondale was considered the
reliable steady hand in Democratic
politics???) With that prologue, there's still some hope for McCain.

60 Minutes, fresh from kangarooing Rove last week,(guy's I'm good, but I wouldn't hire a flake like Simpson, to fetch coffee, much less spy on the Gov.) was on the husting, portraying Ohio as a post
industrial hell. There was another segment about non lethal weapons, and some rationed
health care deal. somewhere; which Barry will solve by magical encantation, preferrably from Hogwarts.

Other Tom

My objection to Hillary--and the reason for my preference for Obama, if it comes to that--is that she is fundamentally corrupt and dishonest. Not simply dishonest, but dishonorable.

It does not matter to me which of them would make the "best president." Richard Nixon was, in many respects, a fine president--except that he was corrupt to the very fibre of his being, and that corruption damaged the country immeasurably.

Whether Hillary is closer to, or farther from, the mark on this or that issue of policy means very little to me. I think we have seen, in Nixon to a great extent and in Bill Clinton to a lesser one, that having as president a person with no moral compass is horribly corrosive to the country as a whole.

And I don't think "hatred" is really relevant to this question.

ben

Hillary is extremely ethically challenged.
Obamamessiah is extremely unqualified.
Both their platforms are big government, nanny state
to the hilt, and both are dangerous from a security
standpoint.
I don't really want to choose which one I would prefer.

vnjagvet

I am really more afraid of BHO than I am of RW mainly because I believe him to be a far more talented and skilled politician than RW.

There is little difference between their politcal philosophies.

Charlie (Colorado)

Even the stuff you all hold against him he didn't lie about.

Hmph. What you mean "we", pale face?

Charlie (Colorado)

Yeah, Charlie's been busy, chasinginsurance companies out of Florida, stocking university board of directors with pro Castro trading figures. On the one hand, we could get him out of our hair; on the other hand; it could be a Peter Principle situation of almost Olmertian proportions. Plus that tan is just unnatural, even for
South Florida. George Hamilton called; he needs it back. In other news, The CIA's mole in feminism,* Gloria Steinem, is busy deriding McCain's POW status as acredential for the presidency.

What?

Charlie (Colorado)

Syl, Clarice, Centralcal, thanks!

Elliott

I think he was talking about Charlie Crist.

MikeS

Was Obama against the war in Iraq because he didn't believe Iraq had WMDs? Maybe he did believe Iraq had WMDs, but thought they weren't really a threat to us or to our allies. Maybe he had another reason altogether.
I would like to know what his decision was based on, because I didn't think there was an acceptable alternative.

glasater

Elliot--thanks so much for straightening out the "Charlie" confusion.
You are now the official Narcisco decoder for his most interesting but obscure comments.

Topsecretk9

George Hamilton called; he needs it back.

That's funny.

kim

A million and a half frost-bitten in China. That's hundreds of thousands, not millions, and not dead, but give it time.

I liked pod people, and the CIA's mole. What was with Porter Goss?
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