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March 18, 2008

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Ken McCracken

Well that's ugly.

What, black men only have two choices: be a frightening black man or be a go-along-to-get-along wimp?

Can we have a few more shades somewhere in between, perhaps?

Appalled Moderate

From tiny acorns, mighty assumptions grow.

Shelby Steele knows white people -- and his analysis of what white folks see sounds right.

But does he know Obama? Or does he merely think he does. The analysis of Obama's character from what appears to be scant evidence is a little breathtaking.

TexasToast

I stole this from a swampland thread --

African-American Conservative Steele Cliff Notes version:
Blacks are Bargainers or Challengers. Bargainers say to Whites that they will assume that Whites are not racists and ask to be treated without regard to race.
Challengers ask Whites prove to that Whites are not racist before conversation can begin. then we can talk.

Bargainers cannot get elected because they will be assumed to be Uncle Toms by Black voters and will not get Black votes. Challengers cannot get White votes because they are too threatening.

Bargainers will be rejected by Blacks until they see that Whites will vote for the Bargainer. Blacks will then become lemmings and vote for the Challenger. Blacks will abandon the Bagainer if Whites subsequently vote against the Bargainer.

Steele predicted Obama would be hurt by losing in New hampshire. south Carolina Blacks would follow the White rejection of Obama in NH and Obama would lose SC.

Ooops.Obama did win SC with a majority of the African-American vote. There appears to be a flaw in the Hoover Senior fellow's analysis.

Steele then talks about the pains of being Conservative and African-American. Conservatives are the only ones who care about social concerns in the US.

Ooops. Steele seems unaware that the controversial Al Sharpton has challenged degrading words against women and use of the n-word in rap lyrics. Rapper David Banner has released a recording mentioning Sharpton in a very degrading manner in response. Bill Cosby made some of his earliest social commentary at a Jesse Jackson function, and was invited back.
Steele probably slept through those events.

Steele should probably spend time analyzing why 8-10% of African-Americans vote for Conservatives given the GOP's less than stellar management of government, the economy, and the war in Iraq. I'm certain that detaiing the social pathology that is going on in that subgroup of Blacks would be interesting. Let's call them a third group, the Capitulators.

Richard Aubrey

Bargainers can only work their magic on those predisposed to worry about being called "racist" for not doing the prescribed Right Thing.
I believe fewer and fewer people are manipulable by this tactic.

Jane

Hmm, that's more powerful than Obama's speech.

MayBee

I think Obama's trying to dispel the notion that it is his amazing speaking abilities that have gotten him this far.

kim

I would guess that the 'Capitulators' would not consider themselves such, TT. I'd guess they consider themselves brave to risk the scorn of the demagogues like you.
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Jane

But does he know Obama? Or does he merely think he does.

Isn't that the point?

GMax

My favorite of all of this, is that its Democrats piling on a Democrat. The media and the clintonites are shiving Barry in the alley with a homemade shank that he told them how to make. But Democrats being Democrats want to flail out at Shelby Steele, in there rage that their next most perfect candidate is again going down in flames before the election truly even begins. It is to laugh, since it just happened in a fiery crash only four years ago.

I have to say, Republicans sure are fortunate that they get to run against Democrats.

MayBee

Remember when Bill O'Reilly was just reamed for discussing how people in the Harlem restaurant were acting just like every other American? He was racist.
Now Obama is telling us that when black people get together in barber shops and churchs, they talk about how angry they are at America.

Appalled Moderate

Jane:

It is. Which made the statements Steele made at the end of his piece beyond amazing. Talk about internal inconsistancy...

MayBee

AM-
what do you think about this speech?

Jane

I dunno, Obama is all about others painting images on him, since he provides nothing of his own. Steele merely did what was asked by Obama.

I tell you in the last few days, and after this speech (which I find offensive and I'm surprised by that), I'm seeing a picture of a racist.

I'm sure I'm missing something.

boris

statements Steele made at the end of his piece

Steele is correct that Obama's recent problem is the MSM discovery of something scary behind the "bargainer" facade. His understanding of that dynamic is more relevant than the accuracy of his analysis of Obama "true" character, where to be honest you have no credibility either.

Sue

Well, folks, the Obama/Wright controversy is officially over. We will now be asked to move on, please...

Paul Zrimsek

I'm certain that detaiing the social pathology that is going on in that subgroup of Blacks would be interesting. Let's call them a third group, the Capitulators.

Me, I'd call them the Dred Scotts, in token of how miffed their running away seems to have made their erstwhile owners.

Is this whole dialectic of Bargainers and Challengers anything more than a needlessly grandiose and psychologized way of saying that calling people names is a bad way of getting them to vote for you?

takenaway

AM-still can't except that messiah Obama has been demoted to St. Obama- AM you say Shelby Steele does not really know the true Obama yet you always come on here and fill half a page with your superior analysis of Obama and Misses St. O, regaling all with your incredible incite of the content of his character and expect us to take your statement s as fact------Are you BO's secret twin or are you channeling him? Or are you just so far advanced like most progessives, that you just inherently know more than the rest of us? Just Asking?

Soylent Red

I don't like people telling me how if I don't think this way or that way about an issue that I am racist.

I damn sure don't like people telling me that if I don't agree with their conceptualization of racism, I'm a racist.

I'm pretty sure I'm not unique in these viewpoints.

Pretty words aside, Obama managed to tell me both things this morning. I am offended by this man's arrogance and self-righteousness on so many levels I can't even fully articulate them.

RichatUF

Here is Minister Obama' speech via Drudge

I see that he is wearing a Pres. Bush blue tie and has quite a few American flags behind.

cliped this graf-

In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed.

He then gives his a laundry list of progressive programs that have gotten us to this place. One thing I'd point out regarding the "housing crisis" and "predatory lending" is the none other than Austan Goolbee, BHO's economic advisor, wrote a good defense of the industry last year.

curious a shot at the Red Witch:

And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

2008-23+9=1994? Two points: Wouldn't COBRA cover the gap and if the financial situtation were bad enough couldn't Medicade as cover the gap too (I'm unaware of what SC could do specifically as well)? Also doesn't this story have that "Christmas Carol" feel to it-Cratchet firing mom because of her chemo appointments?

glasater

TM
Thank you for including this post on Steele. Beautiful writer and you are also.

As far as Obama is concerned--he is so effective with a crowd around him--but in front of flags and a blue wall--not so much.

Anduril--the stock market is doing well today so far--so perhaps we can give our nerves a rest:-)

Jane

Soylent,

That was my response too. I was very offended.

clarice

(Insty)from Mickey Kaus: "There are plenty of potential Souljahs still around: Race preferences. Out-of-wedlock births. Three strike laws! But most of all the victim mentality that tells African Americans (in the fashion of Rev. Wright's most infamous sermons) that the important forces shaping their lives are the evil actions of others, of other races."

clarice

New Black Panther party supports Obama and gets to advertise that fact on his website.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/new-black-panther-party-supports-obama>Black Panthers for Obama

Appalled Moderate

MayBe:

I cou;dn't listen to it. Based on the NYT tanscript, I liked parts of it. But Obama, like any politician, has to have his evildoers (the special interests, the evil rich with their newfangled accounting tricks) That part, I did not care for.

RichatUF:

You have to pay for COBRA. Even though, I have to say that most hospitals will pay your COBRA premiums in a situation like that, as long as the COBRA grace peiod has not expired.

takenaway:

While I like Obama better than Clinton and McCain, I do not think I have speculated on the loveliness of his character all that often. I think Obama is a gamble with a larger upside and downside than the other two candidates. Because I think the current course is all downsie, I'm more willing to take the gamble.

boris:

Steele is wedded to his theory, which I really do think explains the Obama phenomenon as it applies to whites. But the speculation on his character is such bull that I find it pretty easy to reject a lot of his conclusions.

boris

Just as I reject yours.

Sweetie

So by exposing themselves to Uncle Tom jokes and widespread derision among the MSM, the African American community and black 'leaders' like the Reverend Wright; Condi Rice, Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas have capitulated, TT?

Capitulate from Merriam-Webster: to cease resistance (as to another's arguments, demands, or control). I think they've resisted just fine. On the other hand, TT seems to believe that they've caputulated to the power of Rush, Sean and Honkey Inc. So for black America the scorn of racist honkeys is apparently more powerful than the scorn of one's minister, one's family, the New York Times and it's fellow travellers, NPR, PBS, black political leadership (the 'show time' leadership of Sharpton and Jackson), Jon Stewart and his audience, Saturday Night Live, and the cable news networks ex-FNC.

So the easy road, per TT, is the road that gets you the stink eye from your family, community and possibly even your pastor. The hard road is getting the stink eye from a guy on the radio. Right.

kim

His character? Typified by whining to the prog base. At least Hillary growls at it. She could beat McCain with the media behind her, Obama can't, I now believe. He has made himself too much a candidate of race politics, and Hillary has not overdone the gender politics.

Too bad, Hillary can wreak much worse structural damage to the nation; Obama would just slip around in mud and fail to govern at all.
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clarice

Good enough for the committed and the brain dead, not good enough for the sceptics and heartlanders who saw and will continue to see Wright's stuff on tv..TV ads are the only place they WILL see it because he gave the msm just enough to continue to skip over what they do not want to report about their annointed.
I sniff another "reporting for duty" fiasco where the press ignored Kerry's substantial shortcomings, the absurdity of his campaign narrative and his detractors until the voters blew the whistle on him.

boris

True but failure to govern does damage as well, remember Jimmuh?

kim

It's OK, Sweetie, Texas Toast is just a guilt ridden Texas liberal. Thoughtful and on point often, however, and willing to brave lots of scorn over here. A fine person really, one worth reckoning with instead of just politely ignoring.
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Sweetie

Kim,

I always read Texas Toast's comments too and appreciate his alternate POV. "Capitulate" just set me off. Black conservatives have beliefs that cost them, literally, their community. Can any other group, left or right, say the same?

Neo

What this all shows is that it is going to be impossible, not hard, but impossible for Obama to bring that racial harmony, when he made no effort to bring it to his own church, his own community.

Just how is a President Obama going to take on those who's intentions are genuinely evil, when he can't confront the softer prejudice and misunderstanding in the church he has been attending for some 20 years ?

Harmony is a two way street, but unfortunately Obama, like so many politicians, see harmony and, it's political ally, bi-partisanship in terms of the other side capitulating. Harmony, like charity, begins at home. His house, or at least his house of worship, needs to begin to understand that anytime somebody does something, anything, that there isn't always racial motives attached.

He may be able as President to bring about change, but it's change I find hard to believe in, and I don't believe in him.

takenaway

Apologies to AM-I misread your suggestions (on another thread) of how BO could handle the Wright situation--- as your opinion of his true motives----though I do get the vibe that is is
what you believe, or at least what you want to believe, once again accept my apology----

Paul

I'm a musician (white) who plays in a lot of mixed and all black (except for me) bands. I played in an all black band for a mostly black crowd Saturday and the the mood was very strange. It's like they knew that a great scam that benefited them had been exposed and things would never be quite the same. No one spoke specifically about it, but there was an "oh shit" kind of quiet depressed feeling hanging in the air.

The way I see it is the national exposure to Wright's diatribes has had the same irreversible effect on the electorate as discovering your spouse has cheated. No matter how much sweet talking excuse making candy and flower giving behavior they indulge in you just can never look at them the same way. You just can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Silber Streak

Despite the undeniable and extraordinary progress in the lives of black Americans, many of them — middle-class and well-to-do included — appear content to listen with approval to the vicious diatribes of a racist, anti-American pastor, who blames whites for all woes, real and imaginary, of their race; and who paints a fanciful and irrational picture of life in present-day America drawn to conditions prevailing, if ever, in times of slavery.


Knowing now what they continue to think of me, a white, and other white people, I feel my sympathy and good will toward them evaporating.

baldilocks

What, black men only have two choices: be a frightening black man or be a go-along-to-get-along wimp?

Steele has been talking about this for a long time and has presented a third option on several occassions--telling both blacks and whites the ugly truths about themselves. Of course nobody wants to hear that.

Steele did an interview back in January on NRO TV on the topic.

LindaK

Obama's implicit contract with his believers was that he transcended mere race. Blacks and whites could enthusiastically support him because -- wink, wink -- he addresses two separate agendas. But by coming together on the Obama candidacy, blacks and whites would be working together in some perfect Kumbaya world for a common goal.

THe Wright videos stripped that veneer off real fast. The speach/apology/redemption that was supposed to patch up the veneer didn't work for me.

The essential question he had to answer was: if you sat for 20 years in that church listening to Wright spew his racism and anti-American message, is it not fair to conclude that you and your wife share his views? Although he said he found is appaling, he spent far too much time apologising and rationalizing for me to buy that brand of soda.

Then, he segued into the tried and true black as victim riff ending with the traditoinal liberal message that someone whites need to lead the blacks out of this wilderness with money, etc.

But basically, having spent 20 years in that church there was no credible way out. And, here was a perfect moment for him to lead, to show there is another way and he fell flat.

baldilocks

Knowing now what they continue to think of me, a white, and other white people, I feel my sympathy and good will toward them evaporating.

Are you speaking of all blacks or just the ones that hate you?

LindaK

Obama's implicit contract with his believers was that he transcended mere race. Blacks and whites could enthusiastically support him because -- wink, wink -- he addresses two separate agendas. But by coming together on the Obama candidacy, blacks and whites would be working together in some perfect Kumbaya world for a common goal.

THe Wright videos stripped that veneer off real fast. The speach/apology/redemption that was supposed to patch up the veneer didn't work for me.

The essential question he had to answer was: if you sat for 20 years in that church listening to Wright spew his racism and anti-American message, is it not fair to conclude that you and your wife share his views? Although he said he found is appaling, he spent far too much time apologising and rationalizing for me to buy that brand of soda.

Then, he segued into the tried and true black as victim riff ending with the traditional liberal message that whites need to lead the blacks out of this wilderness with money, etc.

But basically, having spent 20 years in that church there was no credible way out. And, here was a perfect moment for him to lead, to show there is another way and he fell flat.

LindaK

Obama's implicit contract with his believers was that he transcended mere race. Blacks and whites could enthusiastically support him because -- wink, wink -- he addresses two separate agendas. But by coming together on the Obama candidacy, blacks and whites would be working together in some perfect Kumbaya world for a common goal.

THe Wright videos stripped that veneer off real fast. The speach/apology/redemption that was supposed to patch up the veneer didn't work for me.

The essential question he had to answer was: if you sat for 20 years in that church listening to Wright spew his racism and anti-American message, is it not fair to conclude that you and your wife share his views? Although he said he found is appaling, he spent far too much time apologising and rationalizing for me to buy that brand of soda.

Then, he segued into the tried and true black as victim riff ending with the traditional liberal message that whites need to lead the blacks out of this wilderness with money, etc.

But basically, having spent 20 years in that church there was no credible way out. And, here was a perfect moment for him to lead, to show there is another way and he fell flat.

Appalled Moderate

Takenaway:

Apology accepted. You are correct that I was hoping Obama would take that tack. (And, reading his speech, it appears that is pretty much the tack he took. I have some quibbles, but my guess is that he put this behind him without selling his friend down the river.)

baldilocks

Sorry for the open tag.

PR

I have to agree with the tone of one of the commenters. Being told that this is just how black people act when white people aren't around is a big disappointment. Hatred of whites like myself is starting to make me think MORE that the problem is really them and not whites at all.

Jane

AM,

I'm pretty sure it only puts this behind him with the people who were already behind him.

Publius

When I see a $60,000 Volvo parked in front of a Starbucks in downtown Seattle with a 'Obama in '08' bumper sticker, I know that Geraldine Ferraro has it right.

Shelby Steele merely validates in black and white what Ferraro said, and what I see in parking lots across America.

baldilocks

Hatred of whites like myself is starting to make me think MORE that the problem is really them and not whites at all.

So much for individualism.

William Oliver

"Are you speaking of all blacks or just the ones that hate you?"

That's the rub. A lot of whites bought Obama's line that he was a post-racial candidate who didn't buy into the old hatreds. Now it seems it was a scam.

His dissembling suggests the difference is only between the blacks who hate you and show it and the blacks who hate you and lie about it. Of course that's not the case, but the question then becomes how, exactly, do you tell which blacks hate you and which do not? If Obama is lying, then who isn't?

M. Simon

I always read Texas Toast's comments too and appreciate his alternate POV. "Capitulate" just set me off. Black conservatives have beliefs that cost them, literally, their community. Can any other group, left or right, say the same?

Try being Republican (a Joe Lieberman Republican) and Jewish. My mom still can't wrap her arms around it. I get the evil eye at temple. (Reform Congregation - my wife's idea, if only Obama had that excuse. That is the white collar male vote right there.) Clarice might have a thought or two on the subject.

I did get a message from one of my NY Jewish friends who says that a couple of Jews publicly mentioned voting for McCain and there were no disapproving murmurs or evil eyes. She said it was nothing like 2004. So maybe times are changing.

Rick Ballard

"If Obama is lying, then who isn't?"

I might suggest that if deed follows word, it's OK to trust someone.

A little.

I would also suggest that if you're going to worry about a "them" then it will work out much better if some freedom of association is involved. I don't recall joining the white race so my involvement with that particular "them" isn't a great predictor. My long time association with the Rockingham Whigs is probably a much more indicative measure of reliability.

baldilocks

His dissembling suggests the difference is only between the blacks who hate you and show it and the blacks who hate you and lie about it. Of course that's not the case, but the question then becomes how, exactly, do you tell which blacks hate you and which do not? If Obama is lying, then who isn't?

The implication is that blacks are to be treated differently than anyone else in this respect.

The answer? Trust no one.

boris

My sense is that black conservatives like Steele or Sowell publically stand in opposition to Write's rage on an intellectual level but don't forcefully address it in black communities. (Could be dead wrong about that).

Certainly white conservatives are in no position to forcefully address it in black communities either.

Sure hope somebody is going to point out "look what this has done to Obama's chances, consider what it does to your children".

rhomp2002

Baldilocks,

While I understand your answer, I really would prefer to live as if there were people I could trust. Actually there are and we have been friends for years. Irish, Greek, Italian, Black - I trust this group because we have proven ourselves to each other. The problem is with those whom I do not know. There are times when I must trust some of them and in the past I would assume that I could trust them until they proved that I could not. Am I now supposed not to trust them until they prove I can? That could take a long time and there are time when I just do not have that long.

When are we going to get politicians that we actually can trust to do what they say they will do. I think that is the thing I like most about Bush. Generally speaking when he says he will do something, he does it. When it came to Bubba the subject never came up. With the crew running for president now, I am afraid they are closer to Bubba than Bush.

Bambi has now shown that he is right where I thought he would be - non-trustworthy. Speaks well but says nothing. Can't be pinned down to anything concrete. All those "present" votes show up in person. I really don't want to have to interpret what a candidate is actually saying. I want a candidate to be up front with what his or her program is. Not a one is even close to that these days. Now I have to hope that the definitions of words that the candidate is using carry the same meaning as those words when I use them.

AH·C

AM, TT et al. While you presume to know Obama who is, I know what he is - black and white but RED all over. h/t Baldilocks

kim

Very interesting link, there, AH-C. What about those 'comfortable shoes'?
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AH·C

Kim, that's the ticket. Blame one's two left feet on European shoes. What a hoot, like he couldn't buy "African" shoes or go barefoot as was traditional back then.

Fact: in those days, shoes sold in Africa were generally imported from Europe or manufactured under license.

glasater

It is an interesting link--AH-C.

There goes my notion of BHO hanging out on the beach with surfer bums and musicians--pickin' anna grinnin'--talking pidgeon--da kine--in Hawaii.

poetryman69

Getting yourself pastored for 20 years by a radical hater shows bad judgment. Lying about it when asked by the media shows dishonesty. Now we know the real reason why you refused to wear a flag lapel pin and why your wife has never before been proud of America. If we take you at your word, you spent 20 years in the company of a man, and never once figured out that he was a virulent racist. No Presidency for you.

--klqtzzz

john

When I was in the bay area we had one pastor that said things I did not agree with. maybe not so bad as what i have heard in the you tube clip. The worst was more a doddering idiocy, about the oriental mind being too literal to absorb the gospel. was kind of embarassing in a bay area parish with freshly embrrased asians in the pews. But from time to time he quoted the Bible. And the Bible is well enough written it carries its own message.

And tell the truth only reason I am in a new church is I moved.

baldilocks

While I understand your answer, I really would prefer to live as if there were people I could trust. Actually there are and we have been friends for years. Irish, Greek, Italian, Black - I trust this group because we have proven ourselves to each other.


That's the point. You trust individuals after they have proven themselves. Anyone who trusted Obama--or trusts any other human--on faith is a fool.

The person I addressed said "the question then becomes how, exactly, do you tell which blacks hate you and which do not? If Obama is lying, then who isn't?" Why did the questioner trust Obama in the first place? Had Obama proven himself trustworthy? Any adult not wearing blinders and who knows how to use Google would answer in the negative. So why did anyone trust him?

Could it be that some of you bought into the "messiah" ideal? That Obama was more than one flawed human? That he represents all blacks?

What kind of idiocy is that?

If more people had been judging Obama by the content of his demonstrable character from the beginning--and that includes black voters--none of this would be happening.

Asking "If Obama is lying, then who isn't?" suggests that the questioner bestows group guilt/innocence rather than taking each person as an individual. It also suggests that the person thought that Obama was some sort of ueber-human.

For the life of me, I can't understand that.

Faith

Dear Mr. Steele:

Your shallow assumptions on race and the evolution of american culture are lacking all facts. It's comical that you write as though there is a scientific basis behind your words.

You assume that americans have not evolved much beyond race. Your inane antedotes don't add up to anything: bargainer, white guilt, achilles hill etc.

It's 2008. America has evolved beyond your silly descriptions of white/black behavior. Opportunities are present. Race is not an issue to success. One can achieve success, even become president, on their merits alone.

Barack Obama is qualified: Harvard graduate, Illinois Senator for Several Terms, and currently a U.S Senator, and he has a great platform of change as it relates to our economy, health care, education, military, elderly, etc. He's worked too hard as a man for you to reduce him to the level of a racist on a account of another man's words.

Let's be truthful. We both know that Obama is not a racist and has no control over the actions of others i.e. (rev. wright/ grandmother) Truth be told, we all hear or have heard things from others that are not pleasant.

I understand your angle completely. You hate your self so much, that you don't believe it's humanly possible for a black man to become president, because you have come to believe all the lies that were told to you about your skin color as a child in the 50's.

It's quite alright. I forgive you. God forgives. Please know, America is smarter than your vague assumption. As a result, Obama will be the next president!

AH·C
It's 2008 the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
There, fixed it for you, Faith Clueless.

Vague is reading your comment and getting nothing but cognitive dissonance.

faith

AH-C:

It's crystal clear that you have a difficult time grasping reality. Let's be honest. You're not a fan of Obama, are you? Whether Reverend Wrights snippets were discovered or not, you would have found something to complain about, right? I thought so!

While I'm Hopeful that you and Mr. Steele will join the Change Campaign, I understand that the chances are quite slim based upon your comments.

I will continue to support our next President as he unifies our country and works to change the issues that are ailing us: foreign relations, government spending, education, health care, social security, and treatment of the elderly. Obama 2008!

AH·C

Your clarity is clouded by faulty assumptions. I share "racial" commonality with both Obama and Steele. I thot Obama was a breath of fresh air and would give him the benefit of doubt even as I wouldn't vote for him. But I also thot he was naive, simply for his lack of a track record and judgement. He may be book smart, but he has yet to prove the depth of his wisdom. Judging by the company he keeps, it's proving to be pretty shallow.

I am quite familiar with the theology of Black Liberation for well over 20 years and categorically reject it. This faith is predicated on the requirement that the god of Abraham be the "champion" of the black race and "slayer" of the white oppressors, otherwise, the believers have no use for this god. This is diametrically opposed to who God is -- Creator who created man in his image.

BT further twist theology with nonsense that Jesus was black and oppressed by the white Romans. The truth is that Jesus was a Jew and was "oppressed" by fellow Jews - "He came to his own and his own received him not". Enuf of doctrine.

Other contradictions by BT'ers, i.e. the pyramids were designed and built by blacks, meaning Egyptians are Negroes. Ask any Northern African and they will tell you they are not Africans, rather Arabs in Africa. Apply the silly one drop rule to Prince Bandar and see how far that carries favor with him. He may be 1/2 black, but is 100% Arab.

I don't deny that slavery was an abomination, part and parcel of flawed human nature but it was Christians that led the movement to end the use of slavery in Western Civilization. Meanwhile, Arabs and Africans continue to enslave unabated and unapologetically. So who is oppressing whom?

Laughable tragic are the blacks who shuck the "soft bigotry" of Christianity for the explicit racism of Islam, the same culture that sees blacks as inherently inferior, to whit Dafur. Where are Pastor Wrong and fellow travelers GD-ing the Arabs for continuing to murder & oppress African Negroes? Why, the usefule idiots are tripping over themselves to kiss up to Kaddafi and other Arabs, even as most African leaders try to keep the Arabs at arms length.

So no, I'm not interested in the least in joining the Change Campaign. Should I be disappointed that I'm not going to be welcome aboard the CC train? What a heartbreaker. NOT! I'm more than happy with a free market and rule of law based Republic that we were endowed with by our Founding Fathers.

My biggest bone of contention with Obambi is that he is Marxist. This puts him in the league of Che, Castro, Stalin, Mugabe, Chavez and all the other monsters that have inflicted more harm and death to innocents than any other ideology in the history of mankind. That is end result of his promise of change and is all I need to know. PERIOD.

Glad that you will continue to support our next chosen POTUS. McVain 2008. As for me, I don't support any of the current contenders as is my God-given right. I only hope that any of them won't be able to do much damage before 2012, that's the change I'm banking on.

Madez

AH-C comments seem to be a jumble of inaccuracies in African history and Christian Theology aimed at confusing readers. Time and space would not permit me to respond to all those, but suffice it to say that fabricating information puts the writer in far worse light. And for Shelby, his predictions and analysis seem jaundiced.

battery

I saw the same portion of the interview, and was frankly so bored by him I turned it off.

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