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April 28, 2008

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JM Hanes

I think Wright is peddling a lot of dangerously deluded stuff, but not on the basis of last night's NAACP speech which I quite enjoyed. Oddly enough, a lot of the reaction to this particular sermon, taken on its own, reminds me of the PC uproar over Larry Summers. Wright suggests there may be differences in learning styles! Quelle horeur!

TexasIsHeaven

Three points, if I may.

I grew up listening to Fats Domino, Percy Sledge, The Platters, Brook Benton, The Five Satins, and Sam Cook. I still listen to them - I never really thought of it as "Black Music" - I just love their music.

In the 1950's we still picked cotten and chopped cotten out in West Texas - and there were Blacks and Mexicans out in those fields with us White folks - and the only thing that mattered at the end of the day was the final weigh in - not what color you were.

I have been in many Black Churches, Camp Meetings, and Singing. In all those years, over fifty years to be precise, and in all those churches I have never heard anything remotely resembling any of the remarks or sermons of the Rev. Wright.

I have listened to Rev. E. D. Hill, Rev. Fred Price, the Rev. T. D. Jakes, and other Black Preachers from all over the South. Unless I missed something somewhere - I have never heard anything from any of them that remotely resembles any of the remarks of Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

If what has been occuring is an attack on the "Black Church" - and not just folks being upset with the hateful remarks of Rev. Wright - I would like to know where this "Black Church" is - it's not in Texas.

Jane

Did Obama need a Sister Souljah foil and Wright happily volunteered?

That would be a silly ploy after 20 years of association. I think it is what it is. Obama has no clue what the country is really like so he underestimated Wright's impact. Hawaii, Harvard, Chicago doesn't exactly expose you to the heartland.

DebinNC

Rev. E. D. Hill was one of my favorite preachers. He was a powerful speaker, his church was very service oriented, and he was so kind and so humble. He was nothing like Wright. I hope a number of black preachers step up to say that, despite his claims, Wright does not represent "the black church".

DebinNC

Rev. E. V. Hill was one of my favorite preachers. He was a powerful speaker, his church was very service oriented, and he was so kind, so sweet, and so humble. He was nothing like Wright. I hope a number of black preachers step up to say that despite his claims, Wright doesn't represent "the black church".

DebinNC

..oops.. Sorry for the double post.

glasater

Wright suggests there may be differences in learning styles! Quelle horeur!

This argument is the exact reason home schooling has become so strong across the country.

If educators had not spent decades arguing how children/adults learn--our educational system wouldn't be in the mess it is presently.

By the way--my parents spoke both english and german--my grandparents spoke german and russian and very little english. I had to learn to communicate in three languages. Wright is trying to make some pretty large excuses here.

DebinNC

I believe children have differing learning styles. Some need manipulatives, some don't. Some learn more by listening, than reading. I'm the opposite - I need to see a math problem or diagram, not just hear it described. But Wright made blanket statements about black children being X and white children being Y. That's ridiculous.

Lindak

True, BO is clueless about the country. So he's going to dither about what to do about Wright. This is his first presidential decision and he's blowing it. RW must be cursing the timing of the paster disaster. The dems -- hopefully -- will be stuck with an unelectable toxic candidate.

MayBee

But Wright made blanket statements about black children being X and white children being Y.

As I said earlier, I'm also not sure how this would work genetically. Surely there is a good bit of European blood mixed in with the African blood. For black-skinned kids to be X, the African genes would have to be dominant all the time.
For it to be cultural, it would still have to make the assumption that black parents raise their babies listening to hip hop and not classical music, or that white parents don't have hip hop or jazz playing in the house.

At least with a women/men break down, the genetics are clearer.

Lindak

True, BO is clueless about the country. So he's going to dither about what to do about Wright. This is his first presidential decision and he's blowing it. RW must be cursing the timing of the pastor disaster. The dems -- hopefully -- will be stuck with an unelectable toxic candidate.

glasater

DebinNC--Certainly children have different learning styles but they are truly adaptable. They're like sponges--soaking up everything.

There are many kids in my community who are growing up bilingual--spanish and english--and will be all the better for that background.

When Wright got into that whole nuanced argument about pronunciation and kids not being able to discern and learn--well, that got me going.

Always appreciate your thoughts and links:-)

JM Hanes

"If educators had not spent decades arguing how children/adults learn--our educational system wouldn't be in the mess it is presently."

I disagree. I think it has a lot more to do with the PC insistence that you can't separate kids by skills and teach them accordingly, which is about as effective as any other one-size-must-fit-all approach. The very essence of home schooling is individualized attention.

DebinNC

More on Wright

"Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America. ....a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam."

boris

Moron Wright sounds about right.

Sara

The PC educators would hate the public school system in the "bitter, God and guns" PA small town where I grew up. Kids were separated into A, B, C, D, and E classes and those divisions were based both on previous year's grades and standardized test scores. In addition, A class students got extra privileges and you could not play sports or hold student office unless you were in A or B classes. Bank accounts or skin color had no place in determining class placement. Do well and move up. Screw up and end up in a D or E class and suffer the consequences of spending your time in supervised study periods rather than in extracurricular activities and sports.

JM Hanes

Via Eric Sheie (c/o Instapundit), it's hard to beat the racist red meat in Wright's performance at the National Press Club this morning.

Danube of Thought

As someone said quite recently, the Dems have this habit of falling in love on the first date. They have done it again, and the rapidly growing remorse is truly a wondrous thing to see.

They are now at a point where there is no way out for them except the "unity ticket" with Hillary at the top, and it won't take much more of what we are seeing now for Obama to agree to it. Whether that ticket can win is a nice question, but no ticket with the Field Marshal at the top stands a snowball's chance in hell.

TM

Tom: I watched the speech (by accident; flipped on CNN while eating dinner.) Nothing he said implied neurological differences at all.

Hmm - Jake Tapper certainly inferred it, although Tapper has been having a good run lately finding news that isn't always there. But lewft-brain, right-brain talk certainly implies to me a neurological difference. From the transcript:

Dr. Hale's research led her to stop comparing African-American children with European-American children and she started comparing the pedagogical methodologies of African-American children to African children and European-American children to European children. And bingo, she discovered that the two different worlds have two different ways of learning. European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented learning style and the entire educational learning system in the United States of America. Back in the early '70s, when Dr. Hale did her research was based on left brained cognitive object oriented learning style. Let me help you with fifty cent words.

Left brain is logical and analytical. Object oriented means the student learns from an object. From the solitude of the cradle with objects being hung over his or her head to help them determine colors and shape to the solitude in a carol in a PhD program stuffed off somewhere in a corner in absolute quietness to absorb from the object. From a block to a book, an object. That is one way of learning, but it is only one way of learning.

African and African-American children have a different way of learning.

They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person.

Tricky. I can see that different teaching styles will be suitable for different people, but if all Europeans benefit from a left style and all Africans benefit from a right style, that seems to imply a difference in brains, not just an arbitrary difference in preferred cultural styles. Continuing:

They have a different way of learning. Those same children who have difficulty reading from an object and who are labeled EMH, DMH and ADD. Those children can say every word from every song on every hip hop radio station half of who's words the average adult here tonight cannot understand. Why? Because they come from a right-brained creative oral culture like the (greos) in Africa who can go for two or three days as oral repositories of a people's history and like the oral tradition which passed down the first five book in our Jewish bible, our Christian Bible, our Hebrew bible long before there was a written Hebrew script or alphabet. And repeat incredulously long passages like Psalm 119 using mnemonic devices using eight line stanzas. Each stanza starting with a different letter of the alphabet. That is a different way of learning. It's not deficient, it is just different.

Well, if it is a difference in the capabilities of the brain, that sounds neurological to me.

He tackles the music a bit later, and I lean towards agreeing that his description there is cultural.

AST

It would be interesting to know how many African-Americans are still purely African in their DNA. There must be a lot of white blood among the African. Yet Wright, who wouldn't pass as black in Africa, speaks as though the African ancestry is the only thing that affects his brain, or at least the part of it he uses.

LoveTruth

You guys are oblivious. What Wright was trying to say is that people may have different cultures, customs etc... but they are to be accepted. We must respect and even celebrate each others differences.


"One implication of that interpretation would be that in this country, African-American families persistently raise their pre-school kids with a learning style that makes them dysfunctional in white-dominated schools (and I say that based on all sorts of gloomy standardized test scores). Sort of non-adaptive and self-destructive, yes? Are the cultural influences from Africa really that strong that they overcome Sesame Street and a million other clues as to what the dominant white culture is doing to educate their kids?"

Ignorant, to say the least. What do you even know about blacks in this country.

Are you refering to non-adaptive in relation to white standards?

I would love it if it were switched and I called you non-adaptive to black standards. Hmmm...I wonder how you woulde feel.

If you actually got what Wright was trying to say then you would not being using words like "dysfunctional".


Continue....I expect nothing from the people in this country.

Jane

I would love it if it were switched and I called you non-adaptive to black standards.Hmmm...I wonder how you woulde feel

I'm pretty sure I'd feel precisely the same way I feel right now? What's your point?

.I expect nothing from the people in this country.

Why should you?

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