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April 12, 2008

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Anon

I'm glad you posted this. To be honest, that was the thing about Wright that upset me most. If he peddled these theories, he actually hurt the very community he meant to be helping (and to be fair, did help). And what a vulnerable community! It's just sad.

MarkJ

Gary Wills? I heard he was dead.

(ref: "Escape from New York").

spectre765

Excuse me for picking nits, but shouldn't that header read "I get to pick nits with Gary Wills" ?

edh

God damn the Rand Corporation, and God damn the Trojan Corporation!

SteveMG

Pretty big "nit" - mitigating the spread of a deadly disease through greater education - to grab even if it is ancillary to Wills' piece.

It does seem counterintuitive (didn't read the full RAND report). I.e., thinking that the government is out to get me would certainly lead to me behaving less recklessly. Condoms? Give me five of 'em.

Unless, perhaps, one thinks the government run health clinic dispensing the condoms is giving out tainted prophylactics?

What's the thinking?

M. Simon

Tom are you a pick a nity?

Danube of Thought

Forget Wills. He'll rationalize anything this Leftist fraud and his cuckoo minister have to say, but he's preaching to a very small choir.

David

The origin of the "US Government invented AIDS" was KGB mis-information from the '80's Gorbachev era (see "The Sword and The Shield-The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB").
This lie is so sad in that it has caused so much misery in the U.S. and especially in Africa, where it was a great barrier to the same sort of preventive measures documented in the Rand study that could have limited the spread of AIDS/HIV.
Interesting that Wright still promoted this lie so many years after it has been discredited.

Dan Collins

Excellent post, Tom, but I think that the year of the study needs an extra zero.

Ty Knoy

I'm dense, obviously, but whether the U. S. invented AIDS or didn't, what does it have to do with condom use? Can someone please explain the thinking?

harkin

Nice, fact-based and to the point.

TSOL

Didn't HIV jump from chimpanzees to humans due to a certain ethnic group's partaking of "bushmeat"? Talk about projecting...

narciso

If you have to explain, you've lost the point. Just like most of the JFK
assasination conspiracies after the KGB put their disinformation into Paesa Sra and other sympathetic papers, and Garrison ,et
al ran with it. Max Holland, uncovered this detail yet he gets no end of grief from the
left, for this apostasy in favor of the Warren Commission. Wills, one, recalls in the Kennedy Imprisonment, said he was glad
the Bay of Pigs had succeeded, because had it succeeded it would have tied the US to another puppet regime, (like in Baghdad, he would say if the book was ever republished.

Cecil Turner

Can someone please explain the thinking?

Doubt it . . . it's inexplicable. Just as the "accurate oral history" that implies the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was a plot by a bunch of rednecks to spread syphilis amongst black men ignores the do-gooder basis for the study:

1931 Rosenwald Fund cuts support to development projects. Clark and Vondelehr decide to follow men left untreated due to lack of funds in order to show need for treatment program. [emphasis added]
The bottom line is that the participants weren't going to be treated anyway, they were just being studied in an effort to coax money out of Washington. And, of course, the men in the study didn't need to know what was really happening, because their intellectual betters were looking after them. (Sound familiar?)

Somehow, the Tuskegee Institute (now Tuskegee University) has managed to shed all responsibility for its part in the study, and effectively framed the narrative as a need for a new research center and museum in a bid:

to develop a strategy to redress the damages caused by the Study and to transform its damaging legacy.
Seems to me that effort's been a miserable failure . . . except perhaps as a means to keep race-baiters like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright in pocket change.

Candy

It's simple and stupid.

They don't wear condoms because it feels better without them. The normal person would say, 'Yeah, but they could die down the road', exactly... but most don't care.

Cecil Turner

And it feels especially better to those who believe in conspiracy theories?

boris

The conspiracy believers probably don't accept that it is spread by sexual contact. After all if someone is going to believe in a conspiracy might as well pick on that fits their personal agenda.

boris

IIRC in Africa there is a widespread folk remedy for AIDS that involves having unprotected sex with a young virgin.

Tom Maguire

Excellent post, Tom, but I think that the year of the study needs an extra zero.

No, it was a very forward looking study... the year 200 it is. AD, of course.

Actually, the 5 is resistant on this keyboard, leading to odd typos.

bgates

Actually, the 5 is resistant on this keyboard, leading to odd typos.
Like a missing zero? What do you do, type '5' twice when you need a '1' or a '0'?

AD, of course.
Christianist.

nodak boy

the logic is simple: if the government is spreading AIDS to kill blacks, you can't trust what gov'mint scientists say about AIDS or rubbers. So bareback, baby.
Plus, they say it feels better.
For the wearer.
JFK never wore condoms.
Look what happened.
More seriously. Maybe condoms reduce the overall transmission of HIV; but not by much. Some say the permeability of condoms doesn't even catch the tiny little HIVs very good. Plus, the mechanics of using condoms when drugs or alcohol are part of the foreplay and when the backdoor is used, makes it pretty dicey, right? Remember?
Plus, do you think any of these scientists telling the hoi polloi to wear rubbers would ever screw someone with AIDs even using a condom?
A better federal sexual health policy, truly, would be "Whap their pee-pees with a ruler."
Sister Mary Elizabeth Montessori
No, they, wouldn't. So why do they talk as if wearing a condom makes it "safe" or even "safer" to screw someone with HIV.

Mona

His name is Garry Wills. He started out a conservative w/ Buckley at NR. Left during the Viet Nam era when he could not hack what that mag was spewing.

Charlie (Colorado)

Maybe condoms reduce the overall transmission of HIV; but not by much.

Oh, bullshit. See, eg, this CDC publication, which says:

Epidemiologic studies that are conducted in real-life settings, where one partner is infected with HIV and the other partner is not, demonstrate conclusively that the consistent use of latex condoms provides a high degree of protection.

I guess this proves that it's not just African-Americans who believe politically convenient myths.

MW

Can someone please explain the thinking?

Maybe it is a correlation, rather than causation thing -- people who believe in AIDS conspiracies are disproportionately stupid.

Stupid people are less likely to use condoms.

Daddy

Boris,

Had a depressing conversation with a Medical Missionary in the Philippines a year ago. He had just returned from a long stint in Sub-Saharan Africa. He was vehement in stating that the sort of folklore/superstitious belief prevalent among many people there, was that the way to cure or prevent yourself from having AIDS, was to engage in sex with young virgin women, as somehow the virgins blood was supposed to cure you. He said this unfortunately had become a standard sort of "morning after whoring therapy", thus the worst possible behavior and mindset for preventing the further spread of HIV. I personally have no way of knowing if this was true, but he was well respected among the folks I knew, and most certainly he had nothing to gain by relating this to me, as I was simply a guy asking questions about the medical situation in Africa.

Cecil Turner

I personally have no way of knowing if this was true . . .

Yep. Google "virgin cure" for plenty of stories (like this one). Saw somewhere the buy-in was about 25% of the population in South Africa, so it's hardly universal, but significant.

Daddy

Ughh. Sorry to find out its true.

Vibrata

The UN says circumcision will stop aids. Females won't talk enough. If they abstained that might be the answer; but these poor, uneducated people actually think they're blessing the world with the existence of their breeding result.

battery

The UN says circumcision will stop aids. Females won't talk enough. If they abstained that might be the answer; but these poor, uneducated people actually think they're blessing the world with the existence of their breeding result.

sophy

I do not know how to use the Hellgate gold ; my friend tells me how to use.

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