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April 11, 2008

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MayBee

Well, over at Talk Left, Armando says you are wrong. Not because you are a righty, but because you are wrong.
He doesn't really go into why you are wrong.

TMF

I would surmise that very, very, very few people die due to "lack of health insurance".

If you get lung cancer from smoking, do you have the right to have the taxpayers pay for your chemo?

If you get heart disease from eating cheeseburgers for 50 years, should I pay for your quadruple bypass?

bgates

Huh. You know, that last quote really makes Hillary sound basically correct. And yet with two simple substitutions:

After all the fuss, The Washington Post eventually conceded that “Iraq's nuclear weapons program began with circumstances very close to the essence” of Mr. Bush’s account.

-it sounds like LIES from a LYING LIAR who tells LIES. I guess because it's more reasonable to expect someone to know details about the inner workings of a secretive police state on the other side of the planet than about a hospital in Ohio.

meep

And, of course, they don't want to hear the horror stories of people not being able to get proper healthcare during pregnancy due to socialized medicine (Canada, UK) or who can't even get proper emergency care (cf before).

It's not like we didn't notice the high-risk pregnancies of Canadians get treated in the U.S...... hmmm, wonder why.

B Moe

He doesn't really go into why you are wrong.

Apparently the 27 miles she had to drive to the clinic was important. I don't really understand why, since she drove about 25 miles or so to work everyday. Hillarycare will be a big boost for us in the construction industry, though, if everyone is going to be required to have hospitals within a couple miles of their homes.

Chris

It's actually irrelevant whether or not she was insured. If she was turned away because of unpaid bills, that's monstrous.

Also, many people who have insurance still can't afford medical care, the remaining copays and hidden fees are still beyond their budget.

TMF you should step out of your middle-class suburb for a bit and hear some health care stories.

Neo

Near the end she did have insurance, but earlier on she didn't.

MayBee

Chris: It's actually irrelevant whether or not she was insured. If she was turned away because of unpaid bills, that's monstrous.
She wasn't.

B Moe

TMF you should step out of your middle-class suburb for a bit...

She managed a Pizza Hut, she was middle class with a full benefits package and a 401k. Are you under the impression that with enough medical attention pregnancies never go bad, that mothers and babies never die? The Holzer Clinic she was "afraid" to go to in her home town couldn't have treated the complication, and Holzer Hospital was as far away as the one in Athens. However truthy you spin this story, it is still a lie. Why is it so hard for Hillary to come up with real examples, what I want to know.

SteveMG

If she was turned away because of unpaid bills, that's monstrous.

Well, you do add the "if" qualifier.

But here:
[H]ospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

There may be (okay, there are) instances of Americans being turned away from basic or preventitive health care (not emergency) due to lack of insurance or financial problems.

But this doesn't appear to be one of them.

Tom Maguire

TMF you should step out of your middle-class suburb for a bit and hear some health care stories.

I am hearing stories. Would it be asking too much of a highly paid Times columnist to restrict himself to *true* stories?

Ad link-followers will note that I am not really bashing Hillary for a thematically defensible story, although with 27,000 deaths per year finding a true one ought to be doable.

Jim Miller

Tom - One more thought: Some times Krugman's columns are based on articles from a leftist magazine, or maybe even blog post.

Some times he gives credit; often he doesn't. And once or twice in the latter cases, I have been able to figure out, without much work, where he got the material. So, there may be a single source out there for all these mistakes.

(I don't read Krugman regularly, and stopped studying his columns years ago. Someone who pays more attention to him might have able to spot many more of the sources for his columns.)

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