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April 12, 2008

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Jane

Now now, Obama has now clarified. He "mispoke", what he meant to say is that the people in Pennsylvania are one issue voters.

No story here.

Neo

As a Pennsylvanian, I hope Ed Rendell reads this and doesn't realize it's "The Onion".

Pennsylvania, second highest corporate taxes in the world (just behind Iowa).

Pofarmer

what he meant to say is that the people in Pennsylvania are one issue voters.

So Gun rights, religion, and jobs are one issue? Or is being Redneck Hicks one issue?

If this gets any airtime it is going to royally piss off a lot of people.

Pofarmer

If I have state of the art noise cancelling bluetooth and drive a $35,000 pickup do I still qualify as a redneck hick?

Jane

I think the bluetooth leaves you out of the running - well is there a stocked cooler in that pick-up?

MayBee

Is it a Cadillac Escalade pickup, po?

Neo

Pofarmer: you need a gun or NRA sticker in the back.

clarice

I want some of whatever TM has been putting in his wheaties.

Neo

I see that Obama has pissed off a lot of folks in Philadelphia by not providing "street money" on election day.

MayBee

So, are working class and rural whites bitter because government is not helping them? If they are bitter at all it may be because government has been "helping" everyone else and making a hash out of it, and their real hope is that these well-intentioned but out-of-touch liberal "helpers" would just go away.

Exactly.
Why this does not occur to the helpers is beyond me.
And the Marin county voters just want to throw their money at these people who don't want it. Because if they do, if they can elevate the gun-toting rubes, America will not be so darn embarassing anymore.

Rick Ballard

With Nutter working with Clinton to suppress the black vote BHO would be crazy to lay out street money.

Watch the replay of Rangel's Harlem gambit in PA - Clinton needs to knock down the total popular vote lead that BHO has amassed and she's going to do it with Rendell and Nutter's very capable help. Philly's 110% turnout (in selected precincts) is just going to disappear.

The PA "make every vote count - for Clinton" team is suited up, ready and waiting for game day.

Danube of Thought

TM is definitely on a roll with this one.

capitano

You are being too hard on the O-man.

He just wants to comfort the poor, Midwest hickaninny ... you know, ease his bitterness (after he harnesses it in November).

Danube of Thought

Last time around I sent my money to the SwiftVets (lots more fun than either Bush or the RNC). Is there any right-wing attack machine functioning today? Is there even the prospect of one? I want to help out with all the anti-Obama ads of a kind McCain won't touch.

capitano

Iowahawk blast-from-the-past:

"I'm not sure where we went wrong," says Ellen McCormack, nervously fondling the recycled paper cup holding her organic Kona soy macchaito. "It seems like only yesterday Rain was a carefree little boy at the Montessori school, playing non-competitive musical chairs with the other children and his care facilitators."

"But now..." she pauses, staring out the window of her postmodern Palo Alto home. The words are hesitant, measured, bearing a tale of family heartbreak almost too painful for her to recount. "But now, Rain insists that I call him Bobby Ray."

Ranger

Is there any right-wing attack machine functioning today? Is there even the prospect of one? I want to help out with all the anti-Obama ads of a kind McCain won't touch.

Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Well, I proposed back when the William Ayers(sp?) thing started bubling up that someone should organize a Weather Underground Vicitims for Truth group to point out Obama's friendship with unrepentent domsetic terrorists.

Ranger

Reading the comments at the PW thread TM linked to is a hoot.

Foo Bar showed up and tried to show everyone that Rev. Wright's regection of "middleclassness" isn't what people think. It is not a rejection of wealth. In doing so he laid out that it is really about outright reacism. Short version: Go ahead and get rich, just keep hating the white people.

MikeS

Obama has apologized for the way he explained his lack of support among working-class Americans.
He didn't mean to say it was because they are racist, gun-owning, religious zealots.

He meant to say it was because they didn't believe he would really bring change they could believe in!

His excuse was that he was speaking to a group in Marin County, Ca. who had a much higher level of understanding than typical small town people.

paul

Feeding the press a question for Obama:

Sen Obama, did you or your wife ever benefit from affirmative action?

(follow-up) Can you describe your most memorable moment where you were victimized, because of your skin color? Have you ever benefitted because of your skin color?

paul

"Is there any right-wing attack machine functioning today? Is there even the prospect of one? I want to help out with all the anti-Obama ads of a kind McCain won't touch."

I hear hillary is still taking donations.

Jay McDonough

from swimming freestyle:

"This video is exactly how Obama should have raised the issue: In the environment these voters live and with an appropriate anger. Rural working class voters have gotten the shaft. They have every right to be frustrated and even bitter about what's happened to them.

Obama now finds himself having to address the issue defensively, Unfortunately, the issue will now likely be obscured by the hysterical anti-Obama rants by the Clintons and McCains. Obama gave them that gift when he spoke in San Francisco last weekend."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

Elliott

Good one, paul.

Jay McDonough

from swimming freestyle:

"This video is exactly how Obama should have raised the issue: In the environment these voters live and with an appropriate anger. Rural working class voters have gotten the shaft. They have every right to be frustrated and even bitter about what's happened to them.

Obama now finds himself having to address the issue defensively, Unfortunately, the issue will now likely be obscured by the hysterical anti-Obama rants by the Clintons and McCains. Obama gave them that gift when he spoke in San Francisco last weekend."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

GMax

You know I once thought that the Democrats picked the haughtiest and most out of touch member of their whole caucus, 4 years ago with John Longface with his shoot from the lip Rich bitch wife. But apparently they held some in reserve for future battles...

BONNIE


WHAT AN UNDESERVED SLAP IN THE FACE BY OBAMA TOWARD "SMALL TOWN" PENNSYLVANIANS. TROUBLE IS THERE ARE SMALL TOWNS ALL ACROSS AMERICA WHO ALSO FEEL THIS INSULT.

I HAVE YET TO HEAR SENATOR OBAMA SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT AMERICA OR THE UNITED STATES. ON "THE VIEW" HE DID SAY "THIS GREAT COUNTRY, WITH ITS' FLAWS". A HALF SHOT AT "POSITIVE" AND IMMEDIATELY SLAMMED WITH A "NEGATIVE". HE DOESN'T SEEM CAPABLE OF POSITIVE STATEMENTS TOWARD AMERICA. PERHAPS IT IS HIS OWN BELIEFS THAT ARE "FLAWED".

COULD OBAMA'S CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE AND INABILITY TO SEE THE GOOD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TEACHINGS OF HIS CHURCH AND REVEREND WRIGHT? A CHURCH WE NOW KNOW TO PREACH TRASHING AMERICA, COMPLAINING AND FINDING FAULT WITH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW. MR. OBAMA HAS TOO MUCH BAGGAGE. HLLARY CLINTON'S SKELETONS HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR SOME TIME, OBAMA'S ARE NOT.

GOD BLESS AMERICA


Pofarmer

who had a much higher level of understanding than typical small town people.

Ah, so we're stupid, too.

Cadillac Escalade??? Ya can't feed cows with that!!!

Sara

Gateway Pundit's headline referencing the PW stats:

Obama's Bible-Thumpin Gun-Humpin Comments Not Just Rude But Wrong

Karl at Protein Wisdom noted that those bitter Pennsylvanians make more than most of the rest of the country on average:

Pennsylvania has an above average per capital income, contrary to the stereotype Obama has seemingly borrowed from a Billy Joel song that was a hit before the 25-year period Obama mentions. Pennsylvania has an above average per capital income, contrary to the stereotype Obama has seemingly borrowed from a Billy Joel song that was a hit before the 25-year period Obama mentions. When the elite media and most Democrats say… “yeah… So? Obama is simply describing world as we know it,” they will be revealing that they know as much about those economic interests as they do religion or culture.

And as far as those bitter unemployed Pennsylvanians- the state unemployment rate is currently running below the national average at 4.9%:

Sara

Via Newsbusters:

Of course there was no suggestion at Today that Obama might have been channeling Marx. But is the notion outlandish? Consider what Ace of Spades has uncovered about Frank Marshall Davis, the mentor Obama almost surely describes in his book Dreams from My Father:

Barack Obama is very vague about his actual politics and few have bothered asking. Now comes a well-nigh conclusive case that the "Frank" referred to in Dreams From My Father is in fact Frank Marshall Davis, a noted member of the Communist Party USA.

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.
As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."
...
Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

If it's relevant that some Republicans have belonged to the Federalist Society -- or even done as little as show up for the debates they host -- how can it not be relevant that Barack Obama's political education, paternal, "spiritual," and now academic as well, is all straight out of Karl Marx?

Sara

Via Powerline:

Michelle Obama's preaching of the gospel according to Barack is revelatory:

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your division. That you come out of your isolation. That you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual; uninvolved, uninformed.

Never allow me? I stopped getting permission on how I run my life when I stopped living under my parents' roof.

Neo
“No, I’m in touch,” Mr. Obama said. “I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up, they’re angry, they’re frustrated, they’re bitter and they want to see a change in Washington. That’s why I’m running for president of the United States of America.”

I doubt he knows what is going on in Pennsylvania anymore, unless he figured out that he is going to get his ass whooped .. big time.

Sara

Hicks nix clique's shticks

By Mark Steyn

I'm about done with Obama over this mill-closures-drive-small-town-losers-to-guns-and-God business. If you're running as a glamorous blank slate on which people project their own utopian fantasies, you've got to be very careful not to give the game away - especially when the game turns out to be the usual cliched elite disdain for the great unwashed. I mention in the current issue of NR how odd it is that Michelle Obama is in many ways more condescending on the stump than Teresa Heinz Kerry. Now her husband's at it, too. As Ed Driscoll says: Leave it to Obama to make John Kerry's Brahmin hauteur seem earnestly goofy in retrospect. Quite. I had a ton of fun covering Kerry's awkwardness with Americans but, in fairness, it was essentially a consumerist snobbery: he preferred the Newburgh Yacht Club for lunch over the local Wendy's, he'd rather be windsurfing off Nantucket than rednecking at Nascar, etc. Obama's snobbery seems more culturally profound, and unlike Kerry he can't plead the crippling disadvantage of a priviliged childhood. Rather, Barack's condescension reveals a man out of touch with the rhythms of American life to a degree that's hard to fathom. As Michelle says, they 'chose' to 'leave corporate America', and Barack became a 'community organizer' and she wound up a 350-grand-a-year 'diversity outreach coordinator'. I've no idea what either of those careers involve, and most of us seem able to get along without them. But their remoteness from the American mainstream perhaps explains why the Obamas seem to have no clue how Americans live their lives. And yes, I'm a foreigner. But it takes one to know one, and this guy seems weirdly disconnected from everything except neo-segregationist Afrocentric grievance politics and upscale white liberal condescension. Not much of a coalition.
Crew v1.0

Demanding that voters shed their cynicism, by my reckoning, will require them to shed the shallow worldview which holds -- against all evidence, including the fact that fatuous fools like Valerie Maiden Name and her glamorous spouse Joseph Wilson expected to find WMD in Iraq -- that we were lied into a war by Evil Bushco. When that lame scenario is abandoned, then I will know that voters truly have shed their cynicism, St. Barack's healing hands be praised.

Tom Maguire

You know I once thought that the Democrats picked the haughtiest and most out of touch member of their whole caucus, 4 years ago with John Longface with his shoot from the lip Rich bitch wife. But apparently they held some in reserve for future battles...

To be fair to the Dem "strategists", Obama was just a promising minor leaguer when they went with the Tall Door One in 2004; Obama ad Michele only arrived in Washington in Jan 2000.

But they sure did go to their bench strength early.

It is spooky to think about The Duke, Al Gore, or John Kerry, and now Barry O - Reps keep painting the Dem nominee as an out-of-touch elitist, and Dems keep nominating out-of-touch elitists.

I see why the Reps stick with this strategy, but what drives the Dems?

RichatUF

TM-

I see why the Reps stick with this strategy, but what drives the Dems?

Bill Clinton kept the memo to himself.

graf-

The Democratic Party's 1988 presidential defeat demonstrated that the party's problems would not disappear, as many had hoped, once Ronald Reagan left the White House. Without a charismatic president to blame for their ills, Democrats must now come face to face with reality: too many Americans have come to see the party as inattentive to their economic interests, indifferent if not hostile to their moral sentiments and ineffective in defense of their national security.
bgates

Rich, today I'd amend that to "indifferent if not hostile to their economic interests, their moral sentiments and their national security." That's not progress - except, I suppose, as defined by a progressive.

GH

A foreigner? You should manage a campaign. A book would be news.

The WMD was found and it was a medical lab. The person who ran it was freed by the Iraqi courts just before Saddam was hung. No one knows where she is; Plame was a good deal, but I don't thing she was the operations officer who did the actual work. She was watched since Ames arrest. Saddam was old work, she would have used to get close.

The Reagan movie 'Red Dawn' got all those memo people made. Regular body work. I guess Republicans are bad. It's a party doing that, well too bad.

Danube of Thought

TM, Obama came to D.C. in 2004, I believe.

For those inclined to believe Obama's spin that he just made a poor choice of words, consider the forum in which he chose them. As I understand it, he was in a private home on a street in San Francisco that is as opulent as any in the world; he was talking to a group of very rich white people; and above all he was unaware that his words were being recorded. Poor choice of words, my ass--he knew his audience, and he meant what he said and said what he meant.

Rick Ballard

Rich,

What I find rather stunning is the continued apparent lack of understanding of the internet as a weapon of memetic warfare shown by both Obama and Clinton. They both appear to be approaching it as an adjunct of media in general, subject to the same rules of control that apply to the MSM.

The clumsiness extends to their minions, who show up peddling crap under false flags with a partial intent of setting up the "look at what those nasty Rethuglican racists did to poor BHO" meme to be used in the event that Rendell and Nutter succeed in suppressing the black vote to the extent that Clinton wins by a margin which gives the Supers a rationale to pitch BHO straight into a ditch.

I wonder if BHO is going to realize that there is no safety, even within a prog plantation such as Marin County? He really can't afford to "be himself" anywhere - RW has too many Flying Monkeys detailed to catch his slightest slip. Bowling, anyone? RW is very good at keeping her manipulations out of sight but if Rendell/Nutter pull the same stunt in Philadelphia that Rangel pulled in Harlem, I don't believe that she will be successful in her coverup.

I'm glad Elliot and Jane are keeping their hand in on live coverage - the debate in Philly should provide some very good entertainment.

Sara

Barack has made his "what I really meant" follow-up and it shows that he truly does have no clue. He concentrates his backpeddling on the "bitter" part of his remark and tries to justify that with half-valid explanations, but completely misses what the real insult is in his remarks - the attack on the values that Americans hold dear and that guide their lives.

And the media is just as bad. They are also concentrating on the "bitter," calling the whole flap as "bittergate." In watching coverage this morning, who did they go to for a view on the pulse of the public? Suburban Philadelphia and black leaders. Where were the man-on-the-street interviews with people in the Pittsburgh area or Erie or in God's country up around Kane/Coudersport, what about Somerset, Altoona, Indiana (PA) or Butler? Did they go out to the mining towns, the farm towns? No, instead they interviewed diners at a neighborhood restaurant in Philly. Do they even realize that the opening day of deer season or trout fishing is a valid excuse to miss work or miss school?

Bill in AZ

Just like Kerry got his fabulist tales of Vietnam from Apocalypse Now, it looks like O'Bomba got his fabulist tales of smalltown USA from The Deer Hunter. Don't these guys know that Hollywood makes crap up?
It's probably why BHO, in a brief obligatory nod to the 2nd amendment, will generously begrudge us a rusty old bolt action hunting rifle. Maybe once he's in office he'll learn from his bud Hugo that we only need 5 rounds of ammo per year for that hunting rifle.

pagar

There are others influencing Obama, besides Frank Marshal Davis. Look at the background of his political adviser, David Alexrod, as well as others Link

"David’s Mother And Radical Leftist Journalism
Myril Axelrod was formerly a writer for PM, a leftist tabloid newspaper published from 1940 to 1948 in New York City."

"The radicalism of Frank Marshall Davis that was planted in a young Barack Obama appears to have taken root – and the son of a writer for a Communist-dominated newspaper – is running Obama’s political campaign to help him become President and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces."

IMO, the thread that ties Obama to the the most radical of Communists is Saul Alinsky. Two of Alinksky's star pupils (Hillary and Obama) are in the Democratic race.

"Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties."

Link

"Barack Obama is also an Alinskyite. Trained by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked with ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote, both creations of the Alinsky network.

"Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer."

"That Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama share an Alinskyite background tells us two things. First, they are leftists, dedicated to overthrowing our Constitutional system. Second, they will go to any length to conceal their radicalism from the public."

"That is the Alinsky method. And that is today’s Democratic Party."

One of Alinsky's sayings: "Alinsky once boasted, “I feel confident that I could persuade a millionaire on a Friday to subsidize a revolution for Saturday out of which he would make a huge profit on Sunday even though he was certain to be executed on Monday.”

I think that is where many in America are today, Willing to subsidize a revolution"

Before they get too carried away they might want to look at the results in Cuba or Zimbabwe.

PeterUK

"Dems keep nominating out-of-touch elitists."

Because that is the Democrat Party now.Entryism has hollowed out the Party just as it has the left parties of Europe.Like the smile on the Cheshire Cat,the name is all that remains.

RichatUF

Rick-

What I find rather stunning is the continued apparent lack of understanding of the internet as a weapon of memetic warfare...

Especially when one considers that David Axelrod (sorry its a wiki link, see also astroturfing) is running the show for BHO and that BHO specalized in the sort of perpetual political combat necessary as a "community organizer". Those were some really tone-deaf comments even if they were for some Marin County hot-tubbers.

RichatUF

pager-

"That Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama share an Alinskyite background tells us two things. First, they are leftists, dedicated to overthrowing our Constitutional system. Second, they will go to any length to conceal their radicalism from the public."

Taqiyya-It's not just for Shi'ites...

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Axelrod can't put common sense into BHO any more than Shrum could put it into Kerry. RW can fake the common touch (poorly) because she had at least some contact with non-marxists as a young teenager. BHO (the boy in the Trotsky bubble) has never heard much more than the dialectic at the dinner table. This won't be the last time he spouts false consciousness crap.

I just don't see how RW gets out of the popular vote hole, even with a significant win in PA. She better come up with a live boy/dead girl pretty quick.

Danube of Thought

Obama gave the media their opening with his follow-up comments, which began with "I said something that everybody knows is true"--i.e. that lost jobs haven't been replaced [then how come unemployment is down], etc. and people are "bitter." It's as if he never said a word about clinging to guns and religion, and disliking outsiders and those who look different.

You can't dodge bullets for seven months. Gonna be all downhill for this rather creepy fellow.

Cecil Turner

Yeah, but if you're using the popular vote total (which doesn't really mean anything anyway), it makes no real sense to exclude FL or MI (whose votes presumably count just as much as those estimated from a state where the caucus was the decider). Those all-inclusive numbers are very close (Obama +.6%). Concur it's dubious (and she needs a sweep), but not that it's completely out-of-reach.

Pofarmer

-i.e. that lost jobs haven't been replaced [then how come unemployment is down]

Worst economy since the Great depression, doncha know!

RichatUF

Rick-

Axelrod can't put common sense into BHO any more than Shrum could put it into Kerry. RW can fake the common touch (poorly) because she had at least some contact with non-marxists as a young teenager.

Very true. Axelrod is only as good as the material he is given and "Change, Hope, and Judgement" probably doesn't have the shelf-life he thought. Am curious if you are still working on the "community organizer" piece that you were talking about a while back?

As far as BHO's comments go I'm wondering if anyone has looked at it from the standpoint of Schmitt's "Concept of the Political" and his theories on identity and emnity. Reading the comment, BHO is explaining the "small town" enmity to his candidacy by way of "small town" identity (in this case guns and religion). This interpretation obviously wouldn't help him and I'm just throwing the idea out there. Something I was thinking about: if BHO's politics can be devined from the lcd of Foucault-Alinsky-Gramsci, then his core politics seem to point to the anti-humanism of Nietzsche and his 20th Century interpreters Foucault and Heidegger, in which, Schmitt provides the road map to translate the philosophy into practical politics. (some thoughts here, think I've linked that before). FWIW...

Rick Ballard

Rich,

When a lefty goes on the hustle I think they go for a potpourri in their presentations among 'friends' thereafter. We don't know what brand of marxism he imbibed from grandpa - or even, with certainty, that he did. His mom's schtick seems kinda standard CPUSA material (as does this 'false consciousness light' bit he was peddling in the Bay Area). I would imagine that one would have to look at his Columbia profs (and their reading lists) in order to determine which vein of dreck might have had the greatest influence upon him. Certainly Foucalt was still on the menu and someone introduced him to the marvels of Alinsky along the way (probably not mom or grandpa).

I'm sort of more interested in the sell out stage - whether he felt he was using Rezko by allowing Rezko to use him in the beginning or was it a straight "everybody who's getting ahead in Chicago politics is on somebody's pad", so I'll go with this 'new' player, Tony."

I'm still working on the organizer bit but I've shifted focus to examining the prog plantations - trying to pair "intellectual" swamps (WI-3) with their "oppressed" toys (WI-4). It's rather tedious.

vnjagvet

Sara has described Pennsylvania to a T.

I grew up in Erie in the forties and fifties. It was then the third largest city in PA. Now it is fourth, having declined from a high in the 1950 census of 135k to somewhere around 104k now. The SMSA (Erie County) is about 300 now.

Erie had four main ethnic groups: Russian, Polish, Italian and WASP, with a few other eastern european and a small AA population.

Now its AA population is about 14% (average for the nation about 12%) with the Italians, Russians and Poles pretty much in control of the city and county governments.

1/3 the County population is still Catholic (mostly concentrated in the City), 1/6 mainline protestant and 10% "evangelical Christian".

The unemployment was %4.1 in the summer 2007, when the nation was at %4.5.

I was in Erie two weeks ago for three days. Guess what:

Not much bitterness there, but they still like their churches, their guns. And their churches

Since the mid 1990s, the International Institute of Erie (IIE), founded in 1919, has helped with the resettlement of refugees from Bosnia, Eritrea, Ghana, Iraq, Kosovo, Liberia, Somalia, Sudan, the former Soviet Union, and Vietnam. The inclusion of refugees in Erie's community augments religious diversity and prompts community events such as cultural festivals.[25]

So much for anti-immigrant attitudes.

BHO just has it wrong. Imagine that.

The point is that

Thomas Jackson

Osama is just a clueless elitist but what is scary is that his supporters apparently have the same intellect and point of view that he demonstrates so often. I am frankly amazed at the superlative comments made about this cretin whose resume would make a junior associate at a second rate law firm feel quite superior. I guess we can chalk it up to our education system which churns out students who can neither discern the truth nor have the capability of making logical evaluations based on fact.

Osama is a man for San Francisco and the south side of Chicago. No doubt aside from denizens of these and like areas that is about all he can count on in any future presidential election.

Sad to say, it looks like 1972 again. An unpopular GOP candidate will win a landslide because the Democrats haven't realized that Americans really won't vote for Marxists and don't think a Cuban style of government or economy is needed for the USA.

pagar

Thanks for the link RichatUF. I had thought that the anti Israel part of his campaign was just to appease his NOI handlers and his ME supporters, now I'm going to take another look at it.

Pofarmer

vnjagvet

You get it right. Out here in flyover country we're not anti-immigrant. What we are against are our borders being swarmed, and our tax dollars going to pay for services for folks who aren't on the tax roles.

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