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April 06, 2008

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sbw

Emerson -- "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

He didn't really...

damozel

Ah, I see: it was IRONY.

Obviously, since I don't share the "Clintons lie more than other politicians" assumption of your fellow right wingers, the hilarity of Hewitt's dry witticism went right over my head.

Perhaps other comments from the right that I've mocked were also instances of that special brand of right-wing humor. Damn. You've opened my eyes to a whole world of hilarity which was previously a sealed book to me. In the future, instead of wondering naively what on EARTH your lot could possibly be thinking, I'll just laugh merrily!

Fondly,
Damozel (Buck Naked Politics)

Rick Ballard

Jim Miller muses on another instance of Red Witch fabulism.

What sort of criteria should be used to distinguish truth from fable (or outright lie) when the Terror of Tuzla is speaking? Does she hold her head in a certain way when telling the truth? I'll admit that the rarity of the occurrence may make identifying a particular characteristic extraordinarily difficult but surely she has told the truth at some point - what did she look like when doing so?

Sue

since I don't share the "Clintons lie more than other politicians" assumption of your fellow right wingers

Baby steps. Just a few months ago, it would have been members of the VRWC instead of lying more than other politicians.

clarice

Good point, sue. I went to college and law school from 1959 to June 1965.I don't remember book bags. (My grandfather who was a tailor raised in Poland made me one in junior high school.I used it only once because it was considered odd.

Ranger

Well, if you really want to make the collective lefts' heads explode, starting running a Lie-O-Meter that takes the number of identified falsehoods and totals the number of days they were/are being passed off as true for each of the candidates. At the end we can see if they person with the highest total wins the nomination! I would guess that Clinton has a running start, but Obama has been racking them up lately.

Rick Ballard

I would think that yearbook or college newspaper photos of campus life (they did have photography back then, didn't they?) would provide evidence of the probability that an Alinsky Acolyte would have a bookbag to hurl. I didn't have one, nor do I recall seeing many of them. I admit that I didn't attend Radcliff, though. Perhaps things were done differently in that milieu.

SteveMG

since I don't share the "Clintons lie more than other politicians" assumption of your fellow right wingers

News flash: It's not just the "right wingers" who think this.

Here, here, here, and... well, you should get the idea.


Danube of Thought

"Obviously, since I don't share the 'Clintons lie more than other politicians' assumption of your fellow right wingers..."

We right-wingers should graciously welcome the likes of Newsweek and ABC News into our jolly little community.

For my part, I remember hurling my book bag into the gaily-colored bottles of high-end liqueurs behind the bar when I learned that Nixon had caved on the tapes. This was 1974, and although the book bag was a used one, I can neither confirm nor deny that it or any reasonable likeness of it existed as far back as 1968.

Topsecretk9

I agree with Rick. I think most people expect politician's will misspeak and most people know politicians will lie, It's when they lie about things they don't have any reason to, that pisses people off. Hillary's had her fair share of those to the point that people have learned when her lips are moving...

kim

Rick, Obama licks his lips when he is lying or dissembling. Watch him.
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Danube of Thought

When they tell unnecessary lies, it's not just that it pisses people off. It gives people pause to wonder about possible loose screws.

Cecil Turner

Obviously, since I don't share the "Clintons lie more than other politicians" assumption of your fellow right wingers, the hilarity of Hewitt's dry witticism went right over my head.

Okay, good one, right back at us. [What? He's serious? No way. Way?] Hey, you're kidding here . . . right?

Tom Maguire

You've opened my eyes to a whole world of hilarity which was previously a sealed book to me.

We aim to serve our friends on the left. 24/7.

bgates

Gosh. "InstaPutz" and "World O'Crap" seem like angry names. You'd think they would be in better spirits, since the Pelosi-Reid Congress is ushering a New Era of governance (assuming the sainted Hillary can beat that terrible scoundrel Obama - or vice versa, if you like).

In the future, instead of wondering naively what on EARTH your lot could possibly be thinking, I'll just laugh merrily!
That's more like it. Certainly that attitude has served us well on the right.

clarice

Hannibal had it right, TM. The best way to serve man--or ar least his liever--is with fava beans and a nice chianti.

RichatUF

sbw-

Emerson -- "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

He didn't really...

With the Clinton's you can never be too careful. Mistrust but verify.

Barry

Hmm, first thing when I heard the RW speak, I turned to my wife and said "book bag, nobody had bookbags when we were in school". Of course, they could have been in use in other parts of the country. With the RW, you just assume she's making it up.

Jane

When Hillary was at Wellesley I was about 30 miles down the road in HS. We did not have bookbags. So it's not regional.

I can't be sure about the armbands.

Jane

Did anyone else see Kerry make a complete fool of himself on Fox News Sunday?

Rick Ballard

Given that it was her tie dyed hippy period I could certainly buy the idea that she threw her "supplies for any occasion" bag accross the room. That type of bag was common, although perhaps not on campus. She might have had a copy of Mao's Red Book in it too - that was just as common among the group of fellow travelers with whom she associated.

If she had said "I threw my Munchies and Mao bag", I don't think there would be any reason to assign this to the "there I wuz, sniper fire cracklin' all around me" status. Certainly not to the status of Bill's learning to read by the light of black churches burning.

Kim has Obama's tell down correctly - he's a lip licker when he lies. I still can't tell for sure when RW lies so I'll just leave the default setting as is.

Cecil Turner

Buck Naked Politics delivers several helpful paragraphs of denunciation . . .

He's got an update now in which he claims to have a sense of humor. Evidence of which is sadly lacking. (And he still can't seem to figure out that having no memory of being 12 isn't really a plausible reading, despite reminiscing about his own experience as a 10-year-old.)

And just for the record, I deplore the snark-fest that's characterized this blog lately. [He's kidding, right? uh . . duh.]

Elliott

I didn't see it, Jane. But I did see the summary at Halperin's, from which it appeared that the difficulties Kerry encountered were beyond his capacity to overcome.

20 minutes to go. Will you be watching the action from Rancho Mirage or Houston? I'm leaning toward the former.

clarice

Jane, I didn't. I am reading the new Swett book on the Swifties and he makes a compelling circumstantial case that Kerry had a dishonorable discharge which was then "fixed" by Carter. If that is so, imagine the pathology of a man with that record running for president as a war hero! He was counting on the honor of those who knew (in the Navy and on the Harvard law school admissions committee to keep their word and honor by not revealing his secret) while he lied and postured his way to the WH.I suppose his back-up plan was that even if they told, the media would discount it.

The entire 60 minute Rather fiasco seems to have been cooked up to deal with the Swifties after their story could no longer be contained by the press--a counter-offensive to make Bush look like an AWOL to divert attention from the serious problems with Kerry's record.

Imagine the pathology! It is unbelievable.

maryrose

I don't recall bookbags in college-I was a freshman in "68' bookbags were for dweebs and dorks..Hil can and will lie about everything to give the impression of a lasting poignant memory-pathetic...

Topsecretk9

Clarice

Does it hint at who exactly were the cookers?

maryrose

The pathology of which you speak is really sick and twisted. I for one absolutely believe Hil told Richardson that Obama can"t win. It sounds so much like her...

clarice

p234
Mostly unnamed Kerry advisers,DNC guys, Move On and "Texans for Truth"--I know this is not exactly news but he puts it together as it has to be chronologically. And when I did this closer in time, I notices the first hint was at TPM whose publisher is close to Sid Vicious who himself just happened to be in Texas the night it broke.

clarice

**noticeD***

Rick Ballard

Tops,

Think Kennedy machine - they were very good record scrubbers and illusionists and Kerry was picked for promotion early, based upon his treasonous conduct before the Senate. BHO is no different (except for treason, at this point) - picked by progs to lie his way to the top. The prog-Clinton battle sure is great entertainment.

The intarwebs thingy is really screwing up the left's big lie agenda.

Blue Texan

Shorter JOM: When Hew Hughitt writes something completely asinine, he must be joking.

clarice

Indeed, former Navy Secretary Middendorf hinted the "honorable discharge" was cooked up by Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter, Rick.

clarice

Kerry's testimony before the Fullbright committee was also a bit of Ted Kennedy theater. I know Kerry claimed at the time that he'd been up all night writing that powerful (if utterly false) speech and denied Adam Walinsky, the Kennedy speech writer crafted it, but since Kerry never in his many years of public service came close to anything that oratorically perfect, I discount his claim to authorship.
The entire thing was a bit of Kennedy theater.

Ken Hahn

I'm sure there were book bags and armbands in 1968. I am equally sure that HRC made up the whole story. The fact that it was possible does not preclude a Clinton from lying about it.

clarice

It's hardly worth fussing about--but if I recall, girls who looked like Hill in college at the time had huge bags , often from Guatemala or some other Third World pit into which they threw everything including their books.Doesn't look like she had much in the way of grooming or hygiene products in hers so she might well have years later considered it a "book bag".

Jane

Elliott,

I am now watching Rancho Mirage. But only because the end of today will eventually lead to the beginning of Thursday and my favorite tournament of the year.

I've been watching golf since I was a little kid - but now when Tiger doesn't play I have a harder time getting interested.

clarice

Here--is a protoypical Greek woven bag girls used to carry books in in the 1960's.
http://www.cfkeep.org/html/phpThumb.php?src=/uploads/524455560txigak_ph.jpg&aoe=1&w=240>Hippie book bag
Some also used giant straw thinks with leather straps.

clarice

Here--is a protoypical Greek woven bag girls used to carry books in in the 1960's.
http://www.cfkeep.org/html/phpThumb.php?src=/uploads/524455560txigak_ph.jpg&aoe=1&w=240>Hippie book bag
Some also used giant straw things with leather straps.

sylvia

I think nylon bookbags became popular in the late 70's, early eighties around the same time as Addidas sneakers and aligator shirts and corduroys. Right before the Docksiders and wool sweater look. It was all part of the look then. Kind of the groovy sporty, about to go run with all my supplies and go skateboarding look.

Now that I think about it, they always had bookbags, such as those made out of leather like in my fathers time, but until they put out a certain nylon version like still they have today, it wasn't popular.

tonynoboloney

Perhaps it was regional? I am from the upper midwest, went to college in 1970. We certainly had "book bags" on my campus then. I distictly remember wearing black armbands in High school while protesting the Vietnam war. Although I do not believe a word either of the Clintons utter, there is a good chance, at least circumstantially she may have a thread of truth in her story.

Topsecretk9

Clarice

On the Kerry topic - hope you didn't miss this snort fest

pagar

"Did anyone else see Kerry make a complete fool of himself on Fox News Sunday?" It's what he does best, that must be why the Democrats thought he would make a good President. It totally amazes me that more than two Americans voted for him.

Barry

Well, I'm sure it was a lie, bookbag or not. I know this because I *saw* her lips move.

clarice

TS,is everyone on the left insane?

centralcal

"...is everyone on the left insane?"

Your question was rhetorical, right?

OT - but I see that reps for Absolut have finally offered a real and "sincere" apology. I wondered how much vodka they sell in Mexico vs. how much they sell in the US. Seems like this latest apology might indicate the US is a larger consumer of their product? Or was? ha.

Elliott

Jane,

I've been watching that too. It's always a treat to see Lorena Ochoa play. I have to go now, so I'm counting on you to cheer her on to victory.

RichatUF

TSK9-

from your link:

The biggest forgery foisted on the media was the Niger documents claiming that Saddam Hussein was seeking yellowcake to be used in nuclear weapons...

Whoa! Like hearing it for the first time!

Interesting that Mapes is making the case for a McCain presidency at the end of her little screed.

clarice

Mapes continues to show the same attention to detail and capacity for fact checking that first drew her to our attention.

PeterUK

"TS,is everyone on the left insane?"

I can't work out whether leftism attracts the insane,is of itself an expression of insanity ,or believing all that tosh drives people insane.

Topsecretk9

I think it's hilarious that "objective" reporter Mapes, who was in constant coordination contact with the Kerry campaign, ends up at HuffPo/The Nation and expects anyone to take her seriously.

Mike Meyers

IMPEACH David Souter! Call Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office (1-202-225-0100) and demand that proper jurisprudence be restored to this great country.

And tell them that Mike Meyers asked you to call.

Lesley

Topsy: At the end of the left wing echo thread, a nice woman left you a message about an athletic shoe exchange. Did you happen to see it?

Tom Maguire

I am reading the new Swett book on the Swifties and he makes a compelling circumstantial case that Kerry had a dishonorable discharge which was then "fixed" by Carter.

These two posts from 2004 can be a starting point - I won't be taking that theory seriously until Cecil Turner does, and in 2004, he wasn't.

bgates

Hey Mike, how come you never did a movie as a Scotsman? The dad was the funniest character in "So I Married an Axe Murderer", and the "All Thing Scottish" sketch was hilarious.

ben

I don't remember bookbags, but my 1969 high school yearbook shows me wearing a white armband, "while others donned black armbands to express opposition to the war"....so they probably existed in 1968 too...therefore I would say the chances that Hillary is lying are only 99% rather than 100%.

bgates

Best part of that Oct 2004 link - "Of course, if [Kerry] signs [Form 180] now, there may not enough time for the Navy to gather his records, so he can run out the clock."

If he acts quickly, he can still release his records before the convention.

clarice

TM and Cecil could you tell me more succinctly why Cecil doesn't believe this--The book cites Beldar and Lipscombe but also Middendorf and a then-member (anon) of the Harvard law school admissions panel (per Lipscombe). There is no honorable discharge certificate in the docs Kerry released.A naval officer and former JAG said the records should have included an honorable discharge dated no later than 1975.Middendorf is quoted by Jack Wheeler as having said that to the best of his knowledge Kerry was dishonorably discharged and sought to have that reversed with Middendorf was Sec Nav.

SlimGuy

Well when I was in school in the early 60's and before I rode bicycle and later motorcycle for transport and my 'bookbag' was some version of an army surplus knapsack for the canvas durability and some version also had the waterproof liners for that sudden shower on the way home.

Even to the mid 60's it was customary for a guy to volunteer to carry the books of a female classmate.

We had a lot of pocket protectors and slide rule cases and even a few attache cases floating around and some monster purse bags gals toted around but rarely used for books as mentioned earlier.

ben

Meanwhile, Obama surrogate Sen. Junior Casey when asked why he violated his earlier promise to only endorse a candidate after the PA primary.

"The reason [I changed my mind] was, uh, because I was, uh, when I said that, an undecided voter. I became a decided voter, and at that point, you have to make a decision."

John Kerry is so proud.....

Lindak

Bookbag flinging? I was in high school in 1968 and NOBODY carried bookbags like today's knapsacks. We carried our books in our arms; only a few really, really propeller-head types had bags and they were more like shopping bags. Don't remember the black arm bands either. Recall reactions to the shootings of RFK and MLK were of great sorrow, silence and tears.

Think some site ought to institute a daily candidate lie-o-meter.

Topsecretk9

Lesley

Thanks for the tip, I did not see that.

LindaK

I let you a enthusiastic reply in the echo thread.

clarice

****Jack Wheeler as having said that to the best of his knowledge Kerry was dishonorably discharged and sought to have that reversed WHEN Middendorf was Sec Nav.****

lonetown

Having graduated in 1967 I have to call BS on the bookbags.

I do remeber armbands in the tumultuous 1969, but they were all Nazi armbands.

ben

Any ideas on what spilled out of Hillary's bookbag when it hit the wall?

Barry

"what spilled out of Hillary's bookbag"

Che T shirt and a little red book...

Rick Ballard

Four pounds of patchouli and the White Album on 4-track.

clarice

The annotated version of "The Wit and Wisdom of Empress Tsu Hsi"

RichatUF

Too go off topic for a moment:

Saw this item over at AP? I'm a bit confused-didn't the msm declare Sadr and Iran the winner-how is it that Sadr's parliament coalition could be "isolated"?

ben

Steal this book by Abbie Hoffman (only came out in 1971 because Hillary ripped off the manuscript in 1968)

clarice

The Times of London seems to have noted what the WaPo and NYT missed and the AP has hopped aboard the Times train--Sadr lost.Maliki's walking around like the cat who swallowed the canary.

Soylent Red

Any ideas on what spilled out of Hillary's bookbag when it hit the wall?

Dog-eared copies of "Das Kapital", "The Bell Jar" and "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty"

A Green Tambourine

One baseball-sized Pamprin

bgates

Rich - as I said at Ace's place, it's easy to cherry pick "good news" from right-wing echo chamber sources like National Review, Fox News, and, um, the Associated Press.

I'm looking forward to coverage of the million man march Sadr has called for Wednesday. Over/under for actual turnout: 25,000
Over/under for turnout sufficient for NYT to declare Sadr has effective control of city: 8

Soylent Red

And Ben...

When I was in college, significantly later than Hillary, I carried around a copy of "Steal This Book".

Pretty standard issue for college kids. Makes you look revolutionary to all the coeds, dontcha know.

I still have it BTW.

M. Simon

I notices

Its a colloquialism clarice. I thought it was charming.

M. Simon

Soylent,

It wasn't really revolutionary unless you had actually stolen the book.

M. Simon

Rick,

You are showing you age (loss of memory) they were 8 tracks.

Soylent Red

unless you had actually stolen the book

Coeds didn't notice.

Rick Ballard

Simon,

In 1968 4-tracks were still very common. I was wrong about the White Album which was the first Beatle's album recorded in 8-track format (if Wiki is to be believed).

There's nothing wrong with my... what's that word?

ben

"unless you had actually stolen the book

Coeds didn't notice."

Went to an engineering school undergrad...the few coeds around were more likely to accept an offer to see your oscilloscope.....

Soylent Red

more likely to accept an offer to see your oscilloscope...

Whatever works, brother. Whatever works.

ben

"Whatever works, brother. Whatever works."

Didn't really work that well....

Fat Man

Hillary is a lying sack of $#!+, but I used a book bag clear through College from 1965 to 1970. (I know, I am not very smart, ok. Deal with it. I have.)

Sue

I had a book bag in 1968. But I was in the 4th grade. And it was cool. Plaid, if I remember correctly. Looked like a briefcase, though. Or an oversized envelope with a clasp and a handle. It also matched my lunch box. Even cooler. ::grin::

M. Simon

Rick,

I was pretty avid into the electronics stuff back then and had never heard of a 4 track except for a Nakamichi. One of those real to real jobs. Was the 4 track an east coast thing?

I did do a lot of broadcast work and was quite familiar with carts. Never knew they were 4 tracks. KWIZ in Santa Anna, and WTAO in Murphysburough/Carbondale. Rush country. In fact I had a talk show back then. Lefty of course.

M. Simon

I have two oscilloscopes. Any ladies (young or old) want to see them?

ben

"I have two oscilloscopes. Any ladies (young or old) want to see them?"

Now that might work!!! I only had one.....

Rick Ballard

Simon,

The Muntz/Lear 4/8 track battle was a precursor to the Betamax/VHS battle that came a bit later. Muntz's 4-track was an after market add on while Lear's connections with Ford got the 8-track into their option package. The 4-track was pretty common on the West Coast - you could even buy a portable stand alone player that ran on a couple of D cells. Nice heavy little bugger with lousy speakers. The 8-track killed the 4-track by the early '70's.

Soylent Red

"Let me be perfectly clear (wags finger): I did not test the voltage of that woman..."

ben

"ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Mark Penn, the pollster and senior strategist for Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid, left the campaign Sunday after it was disclosed he met with representatives of the Colombian government to help promote a free trade agreement Clinton opposes"

Mark Penn got canned for doing the right thing...supporting the trade agreement with Colombia. Big labor must have made a few phone calls and Hillary threw her chief strategist under the bus, wherein lies Obama's grandmother.

Rick Ballard

Ben,

I'd say that the head of marketing got fired due to the fact that nobody can talk about product defects because the inventor still owns the company. The Red Witch brand just sucks like an industrial Hoover - if it didn't, BHO the Blowhard would never have garnered the support which he has.

She's getting down to pure sycophants and the fools who bought in heavy early in the hopes of doing as well as the Chicoms and the Riadis did with Bubba. I'm hoping she gets a little more altitude before she torques Broom One right into the ground.

kim

So it wasn't static electricity that made it stand up and salute, Soylent?

Excellent and ironic news about Mark Penn. Look at Peru, who's boss used to be a failing leftist, and now is a free trade proponent.

Romney would hire Penn. Or Thompson would.
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ben

"I'm hoping she gets a little more altitude before she torques Broom One right into the ground."

And maybe Mark Penn decided he didn't want to be on board at the torquing....

Soylent Red

So it wasn't static electricity that made it stand up and salute, Soylent?

Have you ever seen a Vandegraff Generator
?

Mark Penn got canned for doing the right thing...supporting the trade agreement with Colombia.

Damned if that's not the truth. He must have finally got to the point of drawing the line and saying "No more bamboozelry!" Why that issue was his breaking point, I don't know.

Getting crowded under the Hillarity Express.

ben

Come to think about it, its hard to fathom Mark would think this meeting wouldn't be divulged and that it wouldn't be a problem. Could really be a case of the engineer jumping from the locomotive before the train wreck.

Pofarmer

I thought the Clinton's welcomed dissenting opinions?

Jane

Penn is still working as the shrew's pollster. I wonder how much money she owes him.

bgates

RW's still at 12 on intrade. 12% return on your money between now and August isn't bad.

How willing am I to put money on the idea that Team Clinton can't still steal this one?

clarice

Jane, I bet a lot. She owes him (supposition), she cost his firm a big client, and there's no doubt the long knives have been jabbing him inside her hq for a long time. It's a toss up whether he walked out or she asked him to leave.

Ralph L

Rats, ships, etc.

My mother sent me off to first grade in 1966 with a Mary Poppins lunch box, claiming it was all they had at the store. Ok, I liked the movie, but it didn't go down too well at a boy's school.

M. Simon

I blogged the Mark Penn thing earlier today.

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