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May 01, 2008

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steve sturm

If McCain had a privileged upbringing as a Navy brat, it was only relative to the (slightly) better treatment Admiral's kids got compared to the kids of lower ranking officers and enlisted men. No way should anyone think military brats had a privileged upbringing. Base housing, having to pack up and move every two years, having your dad TDY for weeks at a time, yeah, that's the privileged life.

MikeS

Obama needs to learn some fundamental things.
1. It's not the wealth, but the sense of superiority that makes and elitist.
2. It's not the crime, but the cover-up.
3. It's not the condescension and bigotry, but ... well yeah it is the condescension and bigotry.

LindaK

McCain is an authentic person; he has a value system that is consistent with his behavior. Obama is acting a role that makes him feel good about his conflicts between the black and white communities and that he thinks he deserves, given his elite education. Obama's essential inauthenticities of character and purpose manifest themselves in arugula elitism and his evident belief that he can do what he wants because he is a superior being. What's good about our system of election is that it's difficult if not impossible for an imposter to escape detection.

Imagine this: what if Obama had been shot down in enemy territory -- entirely improbable because he'd never enlist -- how do you think he would have behaved? Do you think that his fellow POWs would have sought him out for leadership? I imagine Obama in fetal position, sobbing for daddy.

Danube of Thought

I would add, SteveS, that when McCain was growing up his father was not an admiral, he was post-war Commander (same level as Lt. Colonel in the other services). I never heard anybody complain about the life--other than kids who had to leave all their schoomates and move somewhere else every two or three years--but it certainly wasn't a life of privilege.

LindaK

McCain is an authentic person; he has a value system that is consistent with his behavior. Obama is acting a role that makes him feel good about his conflicts between the black and white communities and that he thinks he deserves, given his elite education. Obama's essential inauthenticities of character and purpose manifest themselves in arugula elitism and his evident belief that he can do what he wants because he is a superior being. What's good about our system of election is that it's difficult if not impossible for an imposter to escape detection.

Imagine this: what if Obama had been shot down in enemy territory -- entirely improbable because he'd never enlist -- how do you think he would have behaved? Do you think that his fellow POWs would have sought him out for leadership? I imagine Obama in fetal position, sobbing for daddy.

BOATBUILDER

Linda K--I disagree. I don't really know how a 20-something Obama would have behaved in McCain's position. Maybe he would have found the same kind of inner strenth that McCain did, maybe not. What I do know is that had he come through it he would have a radically different view of what leadership is, and what his country is about. He hasn't, and he doesn't, and that is why neither I nor a whole lot of other people will ever vote for him for President of The United States of America. Except, of course, to promote continuing division within the Democratic party . . .

I do think he'd be very good as president of a condo association, or town council--and McCain would be pretty awful.

Rick Ballard

"Imagine this: what if Obama had been shot down in enemy territory "

What version of Mig was he flying and was he flying for Iraq or Iran?

boris

Guessing he'd bitterly cling to his guns.

LindaK

Perhaps a stretch, but someone like Obama who has trouble making tough decisions and prefers to wait until a firm concensus is reached is not a prime candidate for courage under fire. Put it another way: who would you want in your foxhold -- Obama or McCain (even at his age)? If the choice were Barack or Michelle, I'd pick Michelle.

Don

"Is it possible for the Democrats to nominate a bigger assclown?"

Certainly! Though your chances of getting it are slim.

Gmax

OT breaking

Ras has just released his House Generic ballot poll taken Apr 28 -29. It is a +3 for the Democrats, down from about a month ago when it was +6 and down even more from December when it was +10.

Given Republicans tend to underpoll and over perform at the ballot box, this is very good news.

It may also mean that Blue Dog superdelegates have to start worrying about the top of the ticket and coattails.

Its all good from here, plus the stock market had a very nice rally today. I am going to knock off early and have a gin and tonic to celebrate ( meidcinal purposes, dont want to get Scurvy ).

clarice

Plus the Dems always do better with a generic ballot. Put in the name of an actual Democrat and for some mysterious reason they do much worse.

Forbes

More likely (LindaK) sobbing for his mommy...

The more Obama talks, the more revealing of just how out-of-touch and inauthentic he is.

1) He is completely in the dark regarding what it is to be an elitist.
2) Expresses condescension to rural and small town America.
3) A man who heretofore wore his religion on his sleve accuses others of clinging to their religion.
4) Obama has expressed a view of patriotism as one that favors veteran benefits--a definition at quite a remove from--I dare say alien to an American ear--the more universal "love for one's country."
5) A man who advocates his candidacy as post-racial, yet can't get past talking in the stark terms of separateness, e.g. "black community" and "typical white person".
6) A finding of "privilege" in the upbringing of a military brat (in the '30s, '40s and '50s) demonstrates an unfamiliarity--in fact, an ignorance--of the military as an American institution.

I'd go on, but you get the point, and I'm tired of discussing what an empty suit is O'Bomba.

Charlie (Colorado)

Is it possible for the Democrats to nominate a bigger assclown?

Yes.

furious

I suspect that the Obama who would have volunteered for OCS would have been a different sort than the callow youth on display now. And that flight training, deployment, combat, and imprisonment would have sharpened and deepened those differences.

Certainly ironed out of him the sense of entitlement both he and his wife ooze like body odor.

MikeO

Until now, "questioning any given politician's patriotism" has been along the lines of, "Why don't you love this country more?"

What I want to know about Senator Obama is, "Why does he hate this country so much?"

Ralph L

Financially at least, the Rodhams and McCains were better off than Obama's family. Having a scholarship to Punahou probably affected how he looks at rich(er) people. Don't you think he gets off on being stroked by the Getty's, Caroline K., et al?

PeterUK

"As I further recall, a son of McCain's from his first marriage served in the military and he currently has two sons from his second marriage in uniform (one in Iraq)"

A bit underhand that,isn't it,how are they call him a chickenhawk?

PeterUK

"Imagine this: what if Obama had been shot down in enemy territory "

That's how he got there.

BC

Re: Is it possible for the Dems to nominate a bigger assclown?

I dunno, Tom; they nominated John Kerry last time around, so the bar's set pretty high.

PeterUK

The Democrats have a new Super Candidate incorporating the best parts of previous candidates.

Danube of Thought

Chickenhawk...chickenhawk...why does that term always remind me of Eleanor Clift?

Gmax

Obama was raised by his grandparents who seemed to have quite a comfortable lifestyle. Yeha Mom was on food stamps but that was only long enough to shirk her parental responsibilities altogether and run off to Indonesia without young lad.

Terry Gain

The differences between Obama and McCain could not be more obvious. Our genius Karl Rove (as usual leftists are only half right) has a nice article here (linked at Jules Crittenden) that ought to inspire every patriotic American to support McCain and oppose the naive phony who will be running against him this year - but doesn't deserve to share the same stage.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120951606847454685.html

Porchlight

By the time Obama went to live with his grandparents in Hawaii at age 10, his grandmother had already been promoted to vice president of the bank she worked in - the first of two female bank vice presidents at Bank of Hawaii. Surely that puts him squarely on the same level of "privilegedness" as Hillary Clinton, whose father owned a drapery supply business (and had three children to support, not one).

Syl

newsflash!

Elitism isn't about wealth, it's about attitude and worldview.

/endflash

PeterUK

"Yeha Mom was on food stamps "
Wow man,like that was really far out, even in those days.

hit and run

Syl, thank you.

And it isn't about where you started, Obamas...it's about where you think you should be.

Hint, hint, weeks late, no SSP for me!

Ok, fine, just a little....">http://thevimh.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-im-too-bitter-to-be-elitist.html">.

centralcal

Wasn't there considerable discussion (somewhere) that when his Mom was on food stamps, Barry was living with Grandma?

PeterUK

"By the time Obama went to live with his grandparents in Hawaii at age 10, his grandmother had already been promoted to vice president of the bank she worked in"

Good job Baz had his mother to lower the tone a bit,otherwise he would come out smelling like a typical elite liberal.No wonder granny got thrown under the bus.

Danube of Thought

Can that Rasmussen generic be believed? If so, it's positively earth-shaking. I'm skeptical.

I also note that Rasmussen has consistently shown McCain doing better against both Dems than any other polls I'm seeing.

What gives?

Porchlight

That would be interesting, centralcal. Wiki says Barry moved in with his grandparents at age 10 (roughly 1971).

And it isn't about where you started, Obamas...it's about where you think you should be.

Good point, H&R. Some friends of mine have two kids on S-CHIP health insurance, but they are both college-educated, buy all-organic groceries, and are currently shopping for a new Volvo wagon. It all just depends on your worldview (and what friends you may have down at the welfare processing center).

RichatUF

centralcal-

Sort of remembered some discussion. I don't think anyone has pinned it down with certainty, but it wouldn't suprise me if it is just "another part of the narrative" to give himself "credibility".

PeterUK

Behind every successful man there is usually an ambitious woman. Barry was lucky,he had two,first his grandmother now Michelle.Poor Bu**er,he would probably been a happy go lucky beach bum left to his own devices.

ROA

According to an Interview Obama gave Time magazine in 2006, his mother was on food stamps because she wanted to work on her Ph.D, not necessarily because she couldn’t find a job. "I had to reconcile a lot of different threads growing up—race, class," he told me. "For example, I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D."

RichatUF

...suprise...suRprise...

Elliott

Danube,

As GMax often notes, Republicans generally do a couple points better with "likely voters" than "registered voters" and from a quick perusal of the Real Clear Politics average it looks like Rasmussen is the only one trying to screen for likely voters right now.

However, the Gallup tracking poll of registered voters has a sample 2.5 times that of Rasmussen's and is currently showing results very similar to Rasmussen's in both McCain-Clinton and McCain-Obama head-to-heads.

DebinNC

Article about Obama's mother:

"When her son was almost 2, Ann returned to college. Money was tight. She collected food stamps and relied on her parents to help take care of young Barack. She would get her bachelor's degree four years later. In the meantime, she met another foreign student, Lolo Soetoro, at the University of Hawaii. ("It's where I send all my single girlfriends," jokes her daughter Soetoro-Ng, who also married a man she met there.) He was easygoing, happily devoting hours to playing chess with Ann's father and wrestling with her young son. Lolo proposed in 1967."


JM Hanes

It's beginning to sound like I should have posted my excerpt from the infamous Rolling Stone issue on the genesis of Obama's Biography Campaign over here.

JM Hanes

DebinNC:

Not exactly your typical food stamp story, is it? Sheesh. Obama's not the Manchurian Candidate, he's the Synthetic Candidate.

Rick Ballard

JMH,

I think Michelle kind of destroys the Obamandingo aspect.

That and prolonged exposure to the jug ears.

And bowling a 37.

I think I'll reread The Abolition of Man this evening, CS Lewis would recognize BHO as the apotheosis of a man with a hollow chest.

Sue

Have y'all seen this http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/192547.php>picture? ::grin::

MikeS

I'm beginning to understand Barack. His dad deserted him when he was 2. Then his mom deserted him when he was 10. Then his grandma didn't desert him, but he found out she was a typical white person.

Then Goolsbie told the Canadians he was just posturing, he wasn't really going to pull out of NAFTA.
Then Samantha Powers told some British journalist that he was just posturing, he wasn't really going to pull out of Iraq.
Then his pastor said he was just posturing, he wasn't really rejecting the him (the pastor).
Then (I believe I'm seeing a pattern here). Then there is his wife Michelle.

I think I understand why the man is hoping for a change.

Danube of Thought

People will progressively become more and more sick of this guy. There's nothing there.

Daddy

Well when Barrack was a kid John McCain did get 6 free years in the Hilton, so maybe that`s what got Obama confused about privileged upbringings.

ParseThis

I do not announce my candidacy to satisfy my personal ambitions.

Pofarmer

As bgates so aptly pointed out on Volokh. The differences in the memes this election are simply stunning.

Pofarmer

And.

Wasn't President Bush just having his picture taken with (NUTS) the Indian Casino guy enough to try to tar him with that association.

PWT

Assclown, eh? Don't mess with Bigger! Just ask Bessie what can happen.

Cecil Turner

I do not announce my candidacy to satisfy my personal ambitions.

You ought maybe to vet the weird anti-McCain videos a bit . . . because that one doesn't do your credibility any good. The first guy on it, Joseph D. Douglass Jr., wrote a frankly nutty book claiming thousands of GIs were transferred to Soviet gulags (to undergo Josef Mengele-style testing as human guinea pigs--maybe they were short of the home-grown variety, eh?). And the second guy, Tracy Usry, was fired from GOP Senate Foreign Relations committee staff for touting similar nonsense:

Another factor in the dismissals was conflict over the P.O.W. issue. Without consulting other Republican senators on the committee, Mr. Helms's staff last year issued a report that raised questions about the fate of thousands of American P.O.W.'s after World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The report contended that there was a possibility that some were taken to the Soviet Union and never returned. The Soviet Union and its successor governments have denied the accusation.
I lost interest around there, somewhere, but the MIA fringe groups are hardly the model of probity. Recommend some reading before spouting similar stuff.

Aaron

In 1967 any Indonesian who could study in the US would be very elite. So he wasn't that bad off.

davod

McCain went to public schools, Obama to private schools.

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