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June 19, 2008

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richard cadena

JANE--why is it that you can't seem to debate anything without resorting to calling people names-it is rather childish and shows a lack of substance.
i would be behind a draft- i was drafted many years ago and served my country in vietnam. if we keep it simple without all these waivers and deferrments--yea it would be fair. otherwise, give our soldiers there due respect by paying them well and giving them the same g.i.bill that i got--i don't give a crap if it is expensive--so is loosing your arm or leg or coming back home with mental problems

the problem with mccain's "plan" is that it is not based on anything concrete and has no roadmap as to when or how and ON ONE ON THIS SITE SUPPORTING MCCAIN HAS BEEN ABLE TO STATE SUCH A ROAD MAP. IS IT FEAR THAT MAKES YOU GUYS STAY THERE WITHOUT EVEN GIVING ANYTHING ELSE A THOUGHT. how i remember the hawks saying "if we leave vietnam, the commies will take over the world" hmmmmmm-

kim

richard, ask the bones outside Phnom Pen.
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Charles Giacometti

The left runs an effective ad and the wingnuts burst into tears. How many of you pussies have served yourself? I am sure the answer is close to none, including the host of this blog and the kind of all rubes, Glenn Reynolds.

You like the Iraq occupation so much? Go serve. The rest of us are saying no.

Backslider

That is interesting fact checking. Their conclusion is that McCain supports "peace-time occupation". One would assume that occupation would involve US armed forces. So.. what exactly was incorrect about the ad? It didn't mention war, combat, or anything like that.

You fail the reading comprehension portion of the exam. Better luck on the math section.

Charles Giacometti

Oh, and for the record, I served my country, for eight years. I challenge the brave rubes of the wingnut-o-sphere to do the same or shut the f. up. Pussies, all of you.

And it's not "name-calling" if it's true. I'm surprised some of you can live with yourself. You clamor for a war and don't serve yourself? Do the honorable thing and kill yourself.

kim

The chicken hawk argument demeans the service of our military, as if you'd understand.
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RichatUF

richard cadena-

why is it that you can't seem to debate anything without resorting to calling people names-it is rather childish and shows a lack of substance.

I can't "debate" the left on this issue because I'm unfamiliar with Winnie the Pooh. Maybe you can help after you've had your diper changed.

... i was drafted many years ago and served my country in vietnam. if we keep it simple without all these waivers and deferrments--yea it would be fair. otherwise, give our soldiers there due respect by paying them well and giving them the same g.i.bill that i got...

Sure you were. And a quick note-Sen. Webb's education benefits were a seperate Vietnam era program for the severly wounded not part of the then "GI Bill". The "GI Bill" you got paid less than what a solider could get with a 3 year enlistment today.

...the problem with mccain's "plan" is that it is not based on anything concrete and has no roadmap...

Because roadmaps have had such success in the Middle East. Wonder when the donks are going to bring out their benchmarks, or since they caved on warfunding (and FISA) can we take that as an implicit sign that even the donk's "roadmap" is being achieved.

...if we leave vietnam, the commies will take over the world" hmmmmmm...

It must be nice to have Richard Danzig read Winnie the Pooh as your bedtime story.

kim

Backslider, parsing that platitudinous platter of hogs wallow is a waste of time. The meaning is obvious, except, apparently, to you.
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Bill in AZ

Actually, Charles, many on this board have served, are serving, or have direct family serving. My wife is currently serving, a nephew is a Navy Seal, niece just graduated form the Air Force Academy, and my daughter is in ROTC.
The ad is still ridiculous - just like your foulmouthed chickenhawk argument.

kim

Besides, Charles Giacometti, you are howling incoherently from extreme ignorance. That you think you know anything about the service of our loved ones or ourselves is more a measure of your insufficient introspection than anything else.

I also doubt your claims of service. Did you not feel that your service was to those who could not be there? If in fact you did serve, did you resent it constantly? Let's hear some more out of that big stupid mouth of yours.
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RichatUF

It must be the BHO campaign boiler room is up and running.

Quick, we need a rumor for them to debunk...how about BHO will require the JCS to read Winnie the Pooh and carry out a national defense policy consisting of looking for honey.

Charles Giacometti

So in other words Bill and Kim, you've never served and never will. That is, you are a pussy. No wonder my argument offends you so much.

Seriously, do the honorable thing and kill yourself. You have no shame.

kim

It has been my experience that those who use the chickenhawk argument are chickens themselves. Most military personal are proud of the fact that they serve for those who can't. The ones who can't understand that have either never been in the military, or cannot conceive of volunteering for that act of service. The exceptions, and there are quite a few, have been drafted, and should have been sent home from boot camp.
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Charles Giacometti

In fact, Bill W is so much of a pussy that he sends his wife and children and won't serve himself? What's your excuse, too much Cheetos dust embedded in your fingernails?

kim

I expected you, Charles, to continue to open that big fat mouth and expose your desperate ignorance. You've satisfied my expectations in superlative fashion. Now, keep it up, and beat the dead carcass of your argument some more.
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kim

Ah, he said the code word, Cheetos. What a mess you are, my fine feathered friend.
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Charles Giacometti

So, Kim, once again, simply admit it. You're a coward and won't serve yourself, but you clamor for war. How do you live with yourself? Does your IQ of 84 prevent you from processing how deeply ashamed you should be of yourself?

I served. I'm proud of my service. I hate chickenhawks, as do most veterans. Only chickenhawks hate the chickenhawk argument. The truth hurts.

Charles Giacometti

Kim, so desperate to avoid the horrible truth of his/her cowardice will so anything, anything at all, except admit the obvious truth.

So much a coward, he/she won't even say the simple thing--he/she has not served and has no intention to.

Sad, pathetic person.

kim

You rave, me boy. Keep exposing the content of your soul.
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Jane

JANE--why is it that you can't seem to debate anything without resorting to calling people names-it is rather childish and shows a lack of substance.

You mean "the Messiah"? I thought is what you wanted us to call Obama. I've heard that's how he refers to himself at home.


i would be behind a draft-

Of course you would be. Your non-serving candidate would probably agree with you.

BTW since you are in the know - are we back to an election where military service counts or doesn't count as a credential? It's hard to keep all the flip-flopping straight.

Jane

Charles - tell us about Obama's service, will you? Since he wants to invade Pakistan, does he count as a "Chickenhawk"?

clarice

I take it we've been linked to some cretinous site again and the cockroaches are following the link back here.
Or maybe they flocked here because they got the tingles up the legs feeling they get whenever Krugman and Cole are mentioned.

kim

I repeat, only resentful veterans or non veterans use the chickenhawk argument. This is one of my main reasons for doubting your honorable service, though it is only a doubt. Volunteer military understand that they are serving for those who can't, or won't.

I don't expect you to get it, but we do. We few, we fortunate few.
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Rick Ballard

McCain's kids are currently serving - one is heading for his second tour in Iraq.

Obama's kids are too young to serve - they're getting big and strong eating fresh fruit paid for by Tony Rezko, Auchi and al Sammarae.

Except when they're listening to daddy's God Damn America sermon tapes, of course. Nobody can keep food down when Rev. Wright is spewing his bile.

glasater

when will that be?How long will that take?He used germany and japan as examples of american longterm presents,

My best guess is that John McCain's and a whole lot of other folks' mind reading and fortune telling skills have lapsed.

Charles Giacometti

Jane, tell me about your military service first.

Crickets....

Barney Frank

I served. I'm proud of my service.

I served six years myself. Unfortunately that service was with a certain limited contingent of imbeciles like Chuck whom we assigned to the farthest building we could find with the fewest number of arms or tools possible so as to limit the damage they caused until they got discharged (usually adminstratively).

RichatUF

Should Charles be playing in the Townhouse pissing about the FISA bill and the war funding bill the most unpopular president ever just tricked the democrats into passing?

Thought so.

PeterUK

Is Mr Maguire running an affirmative action scheme for trolls? How else can the presence of babbling illiterates like richard cadena be explained.
Communism may not have taken over the world,but it certainly got the Democrats.

Charles Giacometti

A coward posting as "Barney Frank" claims to have served. Won't use his or her real name yet claims military service? Sorry, not buying it. Just another pussy.

glasater

CG--
Your comments are so disgusting on so many levels--it is sickening to so many decent people who have served this country with honor.
I'm glad that you are revealing your soul and countless others like you to the world.
It just shows how depraved your thinking and your heart is.

Sue

Jane, tell me about your military service first.

Crickets....

Frogs.

I didn't know Jane was running for president. Why didn't someone tell me?

kim

As a measure of the contrast, glasater, the volunteer soldier is even proud of serving for such as this sad sack.
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PeterUK

"I served. I'm proud of my service. I hate chickenhawks, as do most veterans. Only chickenhawks hate the chickenhawk argument. The truth hurts.

Posted by: Charles Giacometti "

Name, rank and number soldier? Then we might afford you the benefits of the Geneva Convention.

glasater

Yes, Kim. I'm very grateful for our volunteer military and even for the fact they defend the right for CG to spew the blackness in his heart.

Sue

LOL. I just heard Scott McClellan on an ABC radio soundbite. Because of Bush, we are here (as in Scotty testifying) today. Never, ever take personal responsibility. According to McClellan, Bush is just a master at evading personal responsibility, and trained the little puppet well.

kim

Right, Pete, who put the underwear on his head, anyway?
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clarice

Maybe Waxman will hire him--you know, just to show his confidence in Scott's ability,

PeterUK

Kim,It's a Bay Area thing.

Barney Frank

A coward posting as "Barney Frank" claims to have served.

Can't use my real name because I'm stuck in court with a disordered nutter whom I have discussed both here and elsewhere on the web. You're rather remiscent of him actually. Even uses the same epithets, which indicates you both share the same psycho-sexual-mommy hangups.
I did 6 years in SAC.
I suspect you did your eight in Leavenworth.

PeterUK

Well Charlie Giacometti must have earned not a few Purple Hearts,he is constantly getting his ass handed to him.

"Well, Mother Jones just learned what yahoos Instarube's readers are. That's what you get when you don't research a clown like this in advance. You could have easily discovered he is a petty, one note partisan hack who routinely (and approvingly) links to some of the most lunatic, racist, ill-informed commentary out there.
Posted by:Charles GiacomettiJune 28, 2007


To: Charles Giacometti & Jay G.: Regarding your accusations of racism on the part of Instapundit. Did you know that his brother wrote a textbook called "Africa in World History"? Note the positive Amazon review that mentions "respectful to Africans": http://tinyurl.com/2dcksv . Also, note the skin color of his niece & sister-in-law: http://tinyurl.com/299mze . Of course these items don't prove anything about Glenn, but I think they are very good indicators. Racist, schmacist. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0130929077
Posted by:Dave G.June 29, 2007 6:01:22 "

Fraternal fun at Mother Jones.

LnGrrrR

Why does every conservative/Republican think that everyone who holds left or left-leaning views couldn't possibly have served, or hated it the whole time? I'm an active duty USAF SSgt, and while I'm not an Army guy going to Iraq for 15 mos and then redeploying 10 months later, I've deployed a few times.

Anyways, I'm personally for Barack Obama, just because I think supporting enhanced interrogations, greater executive power, and a wide ability to eavesdrop on our own citizens is a bad way to go. But I also have enjoyed my time in the service, am pro-gun (and tank, rocket launcher, etc) and differ from Democrats on other issues.

Neither McCain nor Obama could 'ruin' our country. There's way too many people on either side to block that. (That's why I liked Ron Paul... all his crazier ideas would've been blocked, and he might've been able to reduce some of our debt with his good ones.)

Jane

I didn't know Jane was running for president. Why didn't someone tell me?

Wow! I am? Cool.

I guess what you meant to say Charles, is that in this election, during a time of war, military service is no longer important. Would it not have been more honest to simply say that?

Oh and I never served. I was one of those people trying to get us to surrender in Viet Nam, much to my regret.

bgates

Googling "Charles Giacometti" turns up 200 examples of the kind of prose we've been subjected to here, preceded by one law office phone number.

Slow day in Wilkes Barre, Charlie?

Charles Giacometti

So the voices in the head of "PeterUK" summoned a series of non sequiturs about Instarube (another chickenhawk of course) and who knows what else, and he illogically declares victory.

Of course, we can also quite safely conclude PeterUK also never served, nor did "Barney Frank."

Another long series of rubes--qlaster, sue, etc... all made up names, all pussies, none of whom ever served.

Pathetic and transparent--cowards all.

Shame on you.

richard cadena

dear precious RichatUF and Jane--
a.--since you don't know me personally, i don't give a flying f... if you believe me or not. as for winnie-i don't know him either, you seem to be rather familiar with him though. u and jane and the rest, have yet to explain in any form or fashion when and if we will get to a point in time when our brave servicemen/women will be able to as some of you say, roam the streets with relative safety. your name calling shows that your arguments are not based on facts or even the semblance of facts. you can b.s. all you want and throw shit all over to cover the fact that your just hatefilled, extreme right wing, non rational political hacks. i actually fought for your right to express yourselves--so go for it--i just choose not to continue this one sided debate.

Rick Ballard

I'm not sure what purpose is served by focusing on the fact that Obama has never served. I certainly don't consider him a coward for not having dones so. Now, it's true that I consider him a coward for other reasons but those reasons have absolutely nothing to do with his never having served his country in uniform.

I don't believe that Obama's failure to serve could possibly account for his running from his promise to accept public financing. It doesn't account for his running from past associations with William Ayers or Tony Rezko or James Johnson or Rev. Wright or Fr. Pfleger.

It doesn't account for his running from anything that may be momentarily unpopular either.

Never having worn a uniform in service doesn't make Obama a coward.

I think it's just the way he was raised.

PeterUK

Charles Giacometti,
Answer the question! (Name) rank and number?

Not a non sequiturs at all,just proving you are dick with previous.

PeterUK

"i actually fought for your right to express yourselves--so go for it--i just choose not to continue this one sided debate."

Well FO then.

Thomas Jackson

Chuckie:

I'm sure you served. Care to tell uus where and when and exactly what you did. We all know Kerry's service including such heroic exploits that his unit disowned him. I simply can't imagine that you'd be capable of fabricating such a background and can easily remedy this for us.

I have one little question left once you respons but I'm willing to bet you'll do what most trolls who claim to be veterans do and scamper back to their lattes and mommie's basement.

PeterUK

"I'm willing to bet you'll do what most trolls who claim to be veterans do and scamper back to their lattes and mommie's basement."

Nah,this one is still breastfeeding,between filming ads.

Bill in AZ

hmmm... I see chuckie is making a fool of himself. Reminds me of a chuckie that I inadvertently got banned from a site once because I was injudiciously feeding the troll between meals. Sorry, chuckie, I didn't really mean for you to get banned back then.

No, I didn't serve in the military. My dad and 3 of his brothers served in WWII, sort of a Private Ryan thing, except 3 of them made it back. They hoped we could sit the next one out. I would have served, but John Kerry and the MSM lost the Vietnam war for us 2 years before I turned 18 - and ruined the military for a generation of people, both in and out of the military. It is one of the reasons there is such complete and everlasting contempt for Kerry and his ilk.

Charles Giacometti

Bill in AZ explains his cowardice is John Kerry's fault.

Not only is he a pussy, but he is delusional.

Priceless.

"Thomas Jackson," surely an alias, also flies in with a convoluted post that boils down to the fact that he/she never served. Just. Another. Pussy.

Tina

Off Topic, but of interest. Have you seen the "Great Seal of Obamaland?" I don't know how to do links, but go here:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/

Scroll down to the Great Seal of Obama Land by John Broder.

kim

I don't believe you've got brains enough to load and fire a weapon to effect. You know, the military has standards, and your sort of logic is looked at askance.
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PeterUK

Charles Giacometti only served pizzas,never made it into the military,wouldn't let him wear pink camouflage.

Chet

Googling "Charles Giacometti" turns up 200 examples of the kind of prose we've been subjected to here, preceded by one law office phone number.

Slow day in Wilkes Barre, Charlie?

It's interesting how conservatives so quickly resort to personal internet stalking when simply grappling with the arguments would have sufficed.

PeterUK

"simply grappling with the arguments would have sufficed."

First you have to have arguments,"chickenhawk" and "pussies" simply will not do Chet.

Charles Giacometti

Thanks, Chet, for highlighting that. I missed the cowardly drive-by by one "bgates."

Well, I'm not in Wilkes Barre; I am in Boston, but go ahead and anonymously stalk some poor bastard who happens to have the same name I do. It's perfectly in keeping with your complete cowardice.

"Bgates" would have been much better off simply saying, "I am a pussy and I would never serve my country, but I will anonymously beat the drum for war. Because I am such a brave and true patriot."

No wonder you clowns jack off to pictures of Bush in his flight suit, furiously clutching your bag of Cheetos in your free hand.

hit and run

It's interesting how the behavior of one or several anonymous internet commenters gets extrapolated to all "conservatives".

Charles' first post went straight for "pussies". Second post ended with this flourish, "Do the honorable thing and kill yourself."

Yup, grappling with those arguments would have been productive.

And shall we, by your logic say, "It's interesting how quickly liberals resort to lewd ad hom and calling for people to kill themselves..."?

Silly.

Rick Ballard

H & R,

I think it's mean of him to call Obama a coward for not serving in the armed forces. How would a community ever get itself organized if smart, caring people like the Obamas didn't make themselves available to suck the very lifeblood and ever dime they could steal help the disadvantaged?

Sue

The imagination of some people. Cheetos? Is that from a movie or something?

PeterUK

Yeah some scabby mutt crawls in off the street and craps on the carpet and you have to engage it.Not without a rabies shot first.

Charles Giacometti seems addicted to sexual imagery,"straight" out of the cabana one might say.

PeterUK

"clutching your bag of Cheetos in your free hand."

I prefer women.

truthynesslover

My son is serving in the army and is voting for Obama as am I.Where do you think all the money for Obama is coming from anyway?Military families and members are going to vote for Obama in huge numbers because he wants out of Iraq and the soldiers now know they were lied into this war and want change!If you really support the troops vote OBAMA!

Sue

Truthy,

Are you sure Obama wants out of Iraq?

centralcal

Oh, brother. Where did all the weirdos come from today?

Too boring and stupid to even respond to this dreck.

Bill in AZ

but chuckie, having missed Vietnam by two years, where was I to serve? About the only thing I can derive from your incoherent drivel is that we "clamor for war". By your own, and only argument, there was no point in my serving. Because MSM lost the war for us in Vietnam, Reagan had to straighten that whole mess out later by bleeding Russia dry in Afghanistan. Then BJ gutted the military so there were no job openings. Of course, at the same time, he picked a fight with Jihadists with his MUCA (Missle Up Camels A$$) foreign policy that President Bush has been fixing ever since, but by then the military wouldn't take me anymore.

Cole Sear

This veteran is behind Obama 100%.

And Giacometti has it right. If you beat the drums for war with no intention of putting any skin in the game, you are a coward and a punk.

As for the ad that this thread was originally about. What fact is wrong? I love the ad. It's touching and to the point. I am sure a lot of moms and dads feel this way.

Jane

Where do you think all the money for Obama is coming from anyway?

Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, Oil for food , probably some al Qaieda operatives for good measure- anyone who wants a favor in case he wins. The stuff you send in they use for donuts. Don't kid yourself.

PeterUK

"but chuckie, having missed Vietnam by two years, where was I to serve?"

The same pizza joint as Charles Giacometti.

hit and run

If you beat the drums for war with no intention of putting any skin in the game, you are a coward and a punk.

Obama's a coward and a punk for beating the drums for war in Afghanistan?

Jane

Charles,

You seem to do a lot of posting at conservative and libertarian blogs. And in every post you use the word "pussy". What's up with that?

Cole Sear

And no sooner do I post something than this odd person "Bill in AZ" posts an absolutely bizarre defense of his own cowardice. There was no reason to serve in the military between 1974 and 2001? Are you mentally ill? Just stupid? Both?

The lengths some people go to in order to convince themselves they are decent human beings when they are nothing more than gutless punks.

PeterUK

The Fake Veteran's Association is out in force tonight.The Longest Day,you can see this lot running up the beach.

Bill in AZ

truthy, a whole lot of libs are going to be sadly surprised by Obamas turnaround if he gets elected. Socialists know that war is an agent of change. Hillary knows it, which is why she has always softpedalled and done the highwire on the whole war issue. They have been pushing hard on the GloBull Warming nonsense as the agent of change to justify putting their hand deeper into my pockets. GloBull Warming isn't going to survive beyond the election - if it makes it that far, and socialists always need some great and immediate crisis as an agent of change. Obama will be forced to embrace the war, and he will likely ratchet it up in the stupidest of ways. For anyone who has family in the military, this is our biggest concern. If you don't believe this, go read some history.

PeterUK

"Obama's a coward and a punk for beating the drums for war in Pakistan?"

PeterUK

"Obama's a coward and a punk for beating the drums for war in Iran". No doubt Obama would be piloting one of those bombers.

Rick Ballard

I thought Obama was a coward and a punk for reneging on his campaign financing pledge?

Boy, this is getting confusing. Any word yet from the State Police as to when the short bus wreck in front of JOM will be cleared?

PeterUK

I don't know if Obama is a coward and a punk,but he sure is pussy whipped.

hit and run

I thought Obama was a coward and punk for backing down and running away every time the reich wing rethuglikkans said "boo" about one of his friends, mentors, advisors or policy positions or even just statements.

Or when he said he'd meet McCain "anytime, anywhere", but when asked to do 10 townhalls, Obama countered with one townhall on the 4th of July.

Cowardly punk.


Sue

I just want someone's assurance that these are not the cybernauts we were trying to call out.

Porchlight

What fact is wrong?

Only that John McCain won't be President when young Alex is old enough to serve, and even if he was, he couldn't "take" Alex any more than his mother could "send" him, since we have an all-volunteer military.

But other than that, I'm sure it surprises no one that lefty parents wouldn't want their children to serve in the military, their snide chickenhawk arguments notwithstanding. And that lefty parents are too ignorant to know that there is no draft, so are susceptible to MoveOn's fearmongering about it. I suppose those are truths, in a way, even if the ad's script is itself fact-free.

PeterUK

"I just want someone's assurance that these are not the cybernauts we were trying to call out."

Oh probably,there is no sign of human intelligence.

Rick Ballard

Soros got stiffed on the logic unit again. All the Malaysians did was slap a new sticker on before shipping.

PeterUK

"But other than that, I'm sure it surprises no one that lefty parents wouldn't want their children to serve in the military,"

But they have no problem making a Britney Spears out of them.

PeterUK

Great sense of humour those Malaysians.

Cole Sear

Wow. Make an obvious point about the cowardice of the morons on this site and they go into overdrive. PeterUK can't post gibberish fast enough. This is what happens when deep shame sets in. Morons get angry.

Porchlight at least tries for an argument, but fails miserably. McCain's policy of endless commitment to Iraq makes a draft in the near future a certainty. Poorly thought out strategies have consequences. Bush and McCain's unbounded support of a failed, ineffective government in Iraq will ultimately lead us to a draft so that we can have reasonable deterrents elsewhere in the world.

Plus, the losers on the right who would never serve their country sitting on the sidelines are accelerating the need for a draft even more.

They are too busy posting over and over again, hoping they can gloss over the fact that they never served.

PeterUK

Cole Sear,
Why not lay out your strategy for Iraq? You don't actually provide an argument.

My only shame is my didn't use enough contraception,spawning your parents who have bequeathed us a generation of mongs like you.

Porchlight

McCain's policy of endless commitment to Iraq makes a draft in the near future a certainty.

Tell me, since your crystal ball is so powerful as to demonstrate the certainty of a future draft: who's going to win the election? Since you're all-knowing and stuff.

Jane

Wow. Make an obvious point

Well no, the only obvious point you have made is that you are a homeless troll. That makes you good sport for an hour or so, and then a typical bore.

Lots of people here served, and quite valiantly. I'm confident they wouldn't bother with the likes of you. Time to get back to the koskids. They are calling your name.

Jane

Oh and one more thing Cole, our candidate served. Yours is in your words: a "coward".

Sue

Wow. The left is really pissed about the passing of the FISA bill. ::grin::

kim

'Support of a failed, ineffective government in Iraq'? My boy, read a little history. Neither Bush nor McCain ever supported Saddam.
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Rick Ballard

Wretchard lays out Obama's rental posture re Iraq.

This guy is a real Alice's Restaurant of a pol - you really can get anything you want.

At the right price, naturally.

Porchlight

And the war funding bill in the House, Sue. Bush sure is a lame duck president, isn't he?

kim

And Cole, read the thread, too, where it is definitively demonstrated that the only people who use the chickenhawk argument are chickens. And you birds of a feather seem to flock together. Careful, nights coming on, and the fox is on the town, oh, town, oh, town, oh.
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Topsecretk9

NRO Doc Drop: BofA-Scripted Bank Bailout Looks Awfully Similar to Dodd-Drafted Housing Bill [Stephen Spruiell]

National Review Online has obtained an internal Bank of America "discussion document" (pdf here) on the subject of the FHA Housing Stabilization and Homeownership Retention Act of 2008, a.k.a. the Dodd-Shelby mortgage-lender bailout bill.

Yesterday, Tim Carney reported that the prevailing sentiment on Capitol Hill is that the Dodd-Shelby bill "is exactly what Bank of America and Countrywide wanted." BofA is in the process of acquiring Countrywide. Countrywide is currently embroiled in a scandal over its V.I.P. program, under which several powerful politicians, including Sen. Chris Dodd, got preferential loan rates.

This discussion document (dated March 11, 2008) would appear to support the contention that BofA essentially wrote the bailout section of the bill. Almost all of BofA's preferences are mirrored in the Dodd-Shelby legislation. The BofA document even offers PR tips, such as "We believe that any intervention by the federal government will be acceptable only if it is not perceived as a bail-out of the bond market."

kim

So me Cheetos freakos, what say you re Chumchumal and the poisonous serpent Obama?
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Topsecretk9
Wow. The left is really pissed about the passing of the FISA bill. ::grin::

And the war funding bill in the House, Sue. Bush sure is a lame duck president, isn't he?

and Block of Scott turned out to be a dud.

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