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June 12, 2008

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Elliott

Jane,

It looks like we have a U.S. Open thread.

Thank you, TM.

 Ann

LOL, Elliott. You are on a roll today.

BumperStickerist

Euro2008 Football!

It's like golf, only no commercials.

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clarice

I hope the Irish came thru and saved Europe. I really do.

JM Hanes

Amen to that, Clarice, though it seems almost too much to hope for.

Caro

Is this the US Open thread?

Posted by Stephen F. Hayes on the Weekly Standard blog--
"Looking for someone to support in this weekend's U.S. Open? Rory Sabbatini is your man. Sabbatini teed off today wearing a camouflage golf shirt to honor The Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund. Sabbatini, who is from South Africa, has raised more than $1 million for charities benefitting U.S. troops and their families. Solid."
Not that I am not cheering for Tiger, Jane.


clarice

jmh, the last poll I saw before the vote the Irish were substantially against the EU.I am concerned about the low turnout because I can't figure out which side did turn up--maybe EU referendum has more.

clarice

EU referendum notes that turnout for the 2001 Nice Treaty vote was low and it resulted in a noe vote..They also report"UPDATE: French prime minister Francois Fillon is saying that an Irish rejection of the treaty would mean the end. "If the Irish people decide to reject the treaty of Lisbon, naturally, there will be no treaty of Lisbon," he is reported as saying in an interview on French television.

UPDATE: Ireland's major gambling company, Paddy Power PLC, has paid out more than €180,000 in winning bets to people who wagered on a "yes" victory. Paddy Power spokeswoman Sharon McHugh said the company decided a "yes" appeared the likely outcome - despite the low turnout and the fact not a single ballot had been counted - because gamblers inundated their Irish Web site with big bets for a treaty triumph in the hours before polling closed. "All the betting on Thursday night suggests a 'Yes' vote is in the bag, but we could be left with egg on our faces if we've called it wrong," she said."

Elliott

Caro,

He's not the only one you can root for on that account.

And, no, I did not post that to receive a "Harummph" from Jane. As for this, well...

Elliott

Who are you rooting for BumperStickerist? It could be an interesting day in group C tomorrow. For those looking for a proxy by which to determine their allegiance, among the teams still in contention at Euro2008, the Netherlands has the highest ranking in the 2008 Index of Economic Freedom.

Jane, did you catch the Celtics' comeback?

 Ann

Hey, Caro, I saw that and it warmed my heart on a cold political day. Thanks for posting it.


Elliott,

I so hope it comes down to Tiger and Manboobies. What fun for us. I have decided next to Kevin Costner, V J Sing is the best dressed. We need a project runway for golf. What do ya think?

Elliott

Ann,

It's not Project Runway, but the first Hackel has been awarded.

However, I believe the correct answer to your question is "Lorena Ochoa."

Elliott

Via Hot Air, Ward Connerly, for whom I have the utmost respect and admiration, weighs in on Obama.

 Ann

Elliott,

I had no idea there was the award winning "Hackel", LOL. I did know there was an award winning Hillary Cacklin’.

I don't get the Lorena Ochoa thing, sorry????

Topsecretk9

I noticed that Emptyhead said the Rule Of Law prevailed. So much for her agitations we were living in a fascist state all this time. Gotta love leftist propaganda.

Topsecretk9

oops, to above - wrong thread.

Elliott

Hackel is the last name of Golf Digest's fashion editor.

I was casting my vote* for Lorena Ochoa in the best">http://www.golfdigest.com/images/golfworld/2008/04/gwar01_080405ochoa.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.golfdigest.com/golfworld/2008/04/20080405kraftap&h=330&w=470&sz=33&hl=en&start=45&tbnid=6vJCFjb2A52cjM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522lorena%2Bochoa%2522%26start%3D40%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN">best dressed category.
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*I do admit that I hadn't seen the capris at that point.

clarice

BBC:"Early unofficial vote tallies around Ireland are indicating a strong showing for the No vote in a referendum on the European Union's Lisbon Treaty. "

clarice

EU Referendum indicates that Ireland, the only country which allowed its citizens to vote on the Lisbon Treaty, appears to have voted against ratifying it and since it cannot go into effect untill every country covered agrees to it, it appears that the Lisbon Treaty is dead.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/06/low-turnout-in-ireland.html

kim

There is a lesson, there, c.
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glasater

This is kinda funny.....

Bookmaker Paddypower has admitted it made a mistake, after paying out more than €80,000 in bets on a "yes" vote. As polls closed at last night, the bookmaker made a decision to pay out punters who had backed a Yes vote after unofficial exit polls indicated a late surge in support for the treaty. The blunder means the bookmaker will be forced to pay out over €180,000 in referendum bets.

Rick Ballard

I'm going to wager that EUland will claim that the low turnout nullifies the 'no' vote in some way. The EU government is much the same as Democrats in Washington state (or many other places) - just keep counting until the "right" result is achieved.

clarice

I think not. France has already indicated it Ireland votes against it, it's over. (Chirac's gone now.) Little Ireland saved Europe from the machinations of its overreaching bureaucratic elite which having seen the citizens opposed this, maneuvered the levers of every other country to foreclose the citizenry from having a voice in this important matter.

GMax

The freeing up of the economy in Ireland from burdensome regulations and even heavier taxation has made Ireland the miracle of Europe. Now it seem to have sunk in to the Irish that all of that was potentially at risk. Funny how that works.

kim

Do you know, clarice, how Ireland avoided the disenfranchisement manipulated in all the other countries?
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Rick Ballard

Clarice,

This is what I'm referring to:

The Lisbon Treaty, the reworked successor to the formal constitutional pact dumped by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005, officially needs the approval of all 27 EU member states.

It's a 'Night Of The Living Dead' situation - killed in 2002, killed again in 2005, killed again (now) in 2008.

But it ain't dead.

It won't die for at at least another 10-15 years. That's when the demographic bubble of EUland goes into a state of population collapse similiar to what Russia is undergoing.

clarice

All I could see was that (a) voters felt thay had already lost their national character and this would make it even more deracinating and (b) they didn't understand the treaty and until they did they wouldn't vote for it.

OTOH Rick may have a point, the bureaucrats are already fighting back against yet another loss:
"Ireland's possible rejection of The Lisbon Treaty should not stop other member states ratifying it, France's Secretary of State for European Affairs Jean-Pierre Jouyet claimed today.


"The most important thing is that ratification should continue in other countries (if Ireland has voted "no") and I have good reasons to think that the process of ratification will continue," Mr Jouyet told LCI television.

"We would have to see with the Irish at the end of the ratification process how we could make it work and what legal arrangement we could come to."

His view of was at odds with comments by French Prime Minister Francois Fillon, who said yesterday:

"If the Irish people decide to reject the treaty of Lisbon, naturally, there will be no treaty of Lisbon."

The approval of all 27 EU member states is required to ratify the treaty, which was hammered out last year after a previous charter was rejected by French and Dutch voters.

EU leaders meeting in Brussels next week are expected to reaffirm their commitment to it and may ask Ireland to indicate how it intends to proceed.

That would put the onus on Mr Cowen either to seek changes, opt-outs or assurances and put them to a second referendum, or to find a way to allow the others to proceed with the key reforms without Ireland.

Fourteen countries have already ratified the treaty in their national parliaments"

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking66.htm>EU never loses

clarice

Maybe they can simply kill off all the voters faster, Rick.It may be the only way to get this baby passed.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

This may appear to be unrelated but watch it unfold. The firing of the Air Force leadership is tied more to the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. being able to 'reach out and touch someone' than to the misplacement of weapons.

The Airbus jobs program isn't doing well and EU subsidies can't last forever. What happens in Europe when the "economic security" promised by the lying socialists is finally revealed to have never existed? When one worker is supporting two pensioners as well as himself?

clarice

Interesting, Rick.

clarice

Here is the running tally on the Irish vote.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking66.htm>When Irish Eyes are Smiling

Danube of Thought

No self-respecting lover of individual liberty could tolerate life in the UK today.

clarice

Some very careful thinking on what this means--and how hard the elites are going to continue to fight the will of the European citizens.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/774111/ireland-votes-no-now-whats-next.thtml>Elites hanging on by their thumbnails to this fercocked scheme

kim

Rick, it was insubordination in the Air Force.
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kim

It was the insistence by the fighter jocks on more of the F-22, and resistance to a rapid ramp-up of predator capability. The Air Force was not as responsive to contemporary combat needs as Gates wanted. Their new Chief of Staff is a special forces and transportation specialist, which is what the rest of our military needs more of from the Air Force. The nuclear mistakes were just the excuse.
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Rick Ballard

Kim,

I agree that the weapons errors made good cover but I'll wait for the GAO report before dismissing interference by Northrup/EADS. Only 3 A380s have been ordered in 2008 versus 79 787s. Airbus is gasping like a fish on the beach.

kim

Well, you may be right, particularly if Boeing ends up with it. Were the Secretary and CoS big fans of the Airbus contract?
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PeterUK

"It won't die for at at least another 10-15 years. That's when the demographic bubble of EUland goes into a state of population collapse similiar to what Russia is undergoing."

At that point the EU will have been non-Sharia compliant.

"If the Irish people decide to reject the treaty of Lisbon, naturally, there will be no treaty of Lisbon."

It will be called the Treaty of Barcelona or somesuch.


"No self-respecting lover of individual liberty could tolerate life in the UK today."

We're leaving as fast as we can !

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