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June 21, 2008

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kim

We admire Maliki, but in Sistani we trust.
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clarice

If...If..Maybe Maliki will get piles at a critical moment..maybe the earth will stand still in its tracks..

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Obama re-emphasized his commitment to defeat
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My guess is that Republicans can't define 'defeat' any better than they can define 'victory'.

MikeS

It seems that the Iraqi Military is willing to fight the Shia militias, and it seems that the populace will side with the government. If that's true, then the internal conflict in Iraq (the insurgency and the civil war) has been decided in the government's favor.

kim

Where's the nuance, eightnine? Victory is not such an easy concept to define as defeat.
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royf

My guess is that Republicans can't define 'defeat' any better than they can define 'victory'.

 

Yeah right like your interested in any Republican definition. President Bush has stated his goals for Iraq many times, They just don't include surrender.
 

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Victory is not such an easy concept to define as defeat.
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If Iraq continues to pursue a cozy relationship with Ahmadinejad, is that victory, or defeat?

carl

Victory means you aint gonna get your Last Chopper out of Saigon/Bahgdad pics '89.

Disappointing, I know, but you will learn to live with it; just like all the lefties who couldn't conceive of victory in the Cold War dealt with it--by pretending later that you were always with the program.

MikeS

My definition of victory was when the very first bombs fell on one of Saddam's palaces. Since that moment the outcome has been inevitable.

There are those, the insurgents, the al Qaeda terrorists, and the Democrats, who have hoped they could get the U.S. to withdraw before Iraq was stabilized (by the way that is my definition of defeat), but that was never really close to happening.

kim

Call the higher pay grade, eightnine. Sistani refused to meet with Ahmadi-Nejad and Maliki fought his minions into defeat shortly after his visit.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

Looks to me like they just had dinner and a movie and are headed back to the apartment.

link

kim

The cameraman missed the kiss of death.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

So I take it that similar pictures taken during the Obama administration will be no cause for concern.

kim

Clarice, Steve McIntyre, at climateaudit.org has three 'Fortress' posts about the intransigence of reviewers for the IPCC's AR4 to requests under the Freedom of Information acts for documents relating to the echo-chambered review of their climatologists. Someone has suggested the scandal as a good theme for an American Thinker article. Pay particular attention to the remarks of an Oriz Johnson at comment #42 on the 'Confidential Agent Amman' thread. I think you'll be amused.

The carbon paradigm is cracking up. This scandal lays some of the blame at the feet of the IPCC, and shows how terrible public policy comes from biased science.
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kim

eightnine, why should two Muslims hugging each other be a cause for concern?
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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why should two Muslims hugging each other be a cause for concern?
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So you're saying it won't be an issue if it happens in 2009-2012?

carl

"Obama/'08
Our Last Best Hope for Defeat!"

Not a winning campaign slogan.

kim

So you're saying Obama is a Muslim?
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MikeS

Obama/08
"Change it's hard to keep up with!"

kim

Heh, clarice, you are being touted as an 'always carbolic enemy of bureaucratic foibles' over there.
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kim

"Change it's not hard to change back from". No, no we couldn't.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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So you're saying Obama is a Muslim?
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Is this somehow implying that McCain has lost his bearings?

kim

Well, I'd infer you have.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

And McCain's campaigning in Canada would seem to indicate some confusion on his part.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Is he planning an invasion of Canada?

I guess he thinks they were involved with 9/11 or something; plus getting control of the oil sands will offset the cost of the invasion.

kim

Marbles, maybe?
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Cecil Turner
The government victories in Basra, Sadr City and Amara were essentially negotiated, so the militias are lying low but undefeated and seething with resentment.
What a crock. Remember when the MSM reporters were falling all over themselves to portray the security crackdowns as failures? And the hopeful counterpoint by milbloggers:
The Mahdi Army has also taken high casualties since the fighting began on March 25. According to an unofficial tally of the open source reporting from the US and Iraqi media and Multinational Forces Iraq, 571 Mahdi Army fighters have been killed, 881 have been wounded, 490 have been captured, and 30 have surrendered over the course of seven days of fighting.
Now that there's no way to construe the successful operations as defeats, the fellow travelers are pretending it wasn't an actual victory.

Contrast those headlines with the more recent ones, like: Al-Mahdi Army militias routed without a shot fired. "Lying low" . . . "undefeated" . . . hah!

PeterUK

The lofty criticism of Nuri Kamal al-Maliki would be better if it did not come from a former Community Organiser and a former First Dudess,neither of whom have ever managed a task equal to Iraq.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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neither of whom have ever managed a task equal to Iraq.
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So true; but then again, neither has Bush or McCain.

PeterUK

"If Iraq continues to pursue a cozy relationship with Ahmadinejad, is that victory, or defeat?"

Neither,it is diplomacy. Adults don't do the girl's school,pouty,stampy foot,"I'm never going to talk to you again" routine with armed neighbours.

Elliott

kim,

Maybe mutatis mutandis?

Verba solum (merely words) has some appeal.

PeterUK

"So true; but then again, neither has Bush or McCain."

Amazing! There's me thinking George Bush was president of the USA,Commander in Chief of the army fighting in Iraq. Were you thinking of mulberry bush eight nine?

Rick Ballard

"Lying low" . . . "undefeated"

Cecil,

This is a combination of the Black Knight and Dead Parrot sketches as presented by the NYT. It should be filed next to "dread Afghan winter", "no Iraqi/AQ collusion (due to sectarian differences)" and the "dragons tooth" meme that killing one terrorist produces a hundred more.

They really do get into a richer, deeper form of stupid, don't they?

bgates

Big Gains For Obama in Polls, But Questions Linger
It's difficult to imagine NYT committing apostasy like that, isn't it?
The government victories in Basra, Sadr City and Amara were essentially negotiated
Clearly they're seeking a political solution to what is essentially a military problem. Any editorialist can see that.
Mr. Maliki may be raising expectations among Sunnis that he cannot fulfill
Such as?
the Sunni Awakening forces in many cases are loyal to their American paymasters
Leaving aside the fact that the NYT reporters know no such thing, and that it's a typically baseless slur for them to imply people fighting alongside Americans for peace in their own neighborhoods are in it for the money, the nature of the claim is striking: The armed men in the Sunni triangle are too loyal to America!

eightnine2718281828mu5

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There's me thinking George Bush
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Bush's leadership is best characterized by the phrase 'stercus accidit' and doesn't merit the term 'management'.

PeterUK

"Bush's leadership is best characterized by the phrase 'stercus accidit' and doesn't merit the term 'management'."

Nobody has blown up your office have they eightnine,there is no jihadi holding a knife to your throat? You are still eating and driving a vehicle,you little eco-vandal you.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Nobody has blown up your office
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My office mates are in BDU's, so not likely.

Buford Gooch

Why do y'all feed the trolls? If everyone would just ignore the juvenile rantings of this eightnine person, he/she would stomp his/her little feet in a snit and not come back.

Cecil Turner

This is a combination of the Black Knight and Dead Parrot sketches . . .

Heh. Good analogy.

bgates

McCain's campaigning in Canada would seem to indicate some confusion on his part.

[Canadian consulate staffer] DeMora wrote [Canadian Ambassador] Wilson that in the Chicago meeting, Goolsbee "candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign" but reassured Rioux that Obama's NAFTA-bashing "should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." Three weeks later, Canada's CTV News reported that a "senior member" of Obama's campaign had phoned Wilson personally to advise him to "not be worried about what Obama says about NAFTA." The Obama campaign denied that story, which (if you believe DeMora's account) was only slightly off the mark, and declined to elaborate.

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But now, with much official Canadian hand-wringing under the bridge, Obama has in effect confirmed that the leaks were bang-on: He didn't really mean his threat to rip up the North American Free Trade Agreement. It was, he now says, part of the ordinary old cut-and-thrust of politics. "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets over-heated and amplified," a contrite Obama tells Fortune.

Ah well. It's okay then. Lie away.

PeterUK

"My office mates are in BDU's, so not likely."

You must stand out in your burqa then.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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You must stand out in your burqa then.
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Burqas are more of a conservative theocratic thing; lots of anti-evolutionists in burkas.

eightnine2718281828mu5

We're more the satanic force of secular humanism, crippling society with our intolerant 'live and let live' philosophy, while you guys apparently believe that God punishes gay marriage in California by flooding the midwest or raising the marginal rates on capital gains; personally I just can't keep the whole 'hierarchy of retribution' thing straight.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Burqas are more of a conservative theocratic thing; lots of anti-evolutionists in burkas.
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Which, by the way, is why our new messiah will not allow them to appear in his campaign photos.

Jane

I just finished reading Bill Sammon's "the Evangelical President" which chronicles the middle years of this President's presidency. I found a "white house official's" impression of Obama spot-on over a year ago. He said Obama was smart and charismatic but his problem is that he's intellectually lazy.

In the Audacity of Hope Obama railed against government programs as "unsuccessful". Six days after the publication of the book Tim Russert asked him to specify which programs he was referring to, and he couldn't come up with one. Same with explaining the differences in his health care plan, and his remark about 10,000 people being killed in Kansas by a tornedo.

The official thought that Obama would rely on his charm rather than his intellect and that would not carry the day.

The official said: "He's not done the hard work to do the job, and he doesn't have enough time left to do it."

I'm betting it was Rove, because it's on the mark.

eightnine2718281828mu5

We're more the satanic force of secular humanism, crippling society with our intolerant 'live and let live' philosophy, while you guys apparently believe that God punishes gay marriage in California by flooding the midwest or raising the marginal rates on capital gains; personally I just can't keep the whole 'hierarchy of retribution' thing straight.
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Oh, damn, did I just open the door to discussion about our new messiahs decades in that hatemonger Wright's pews?

Crap.

I should have quit while I was ahead.

Porchlight

You were never ahead. But you can still quit!

eightnine2718281828mu5

While in 2000 McCain identified agents of intolerance in his own party, but recanted when he decided he really really really needed the votes of the intolerant.

HoosierHoops

While in 2000 McCain identified agents of intolerance in his own party, but recanted when he decided he really really really needed the votes of the intolerant.


Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5

Step away from the crack pipe....
I'm here to help you 89..it's ok dude..
Hoopster: Somebody call 911!
It's going to be ok 89 really it is..

glasater

89--Isn't it Soros' thinking that the "clingers" and regular folks should not worry their little heads about taxes?

eightnine2718281828mu5

So both candidates flip flopped during the primary; Obama by rejecting intolerance, McCain by embracing it.

And then of course McCain flipped back once the nomination was secure.

Neither man has much to be proud of here.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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89--Isn't it Soros' thinking that the "clingers" and regular folks should not worry their little heads about taxes?
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No idea; Soros isn't exactly the guiding light that Republicans seem to think he represents to Democrats, so I'm not really up on what Soros thinks.

PeterUK

"Soros isn't exactly the guiding light that Republicans seem to think he represents to Democrats, so I'm not really up on what Soros thinks."

Soros just pays the bills.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Soros just pays the bills.
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Drop in the bucket; you guys need him as a lightning rod more than Dems need his money.

clarice

sftt

clarice

More on the "birth certificate"--is it really a certificate of live birth-? Was it doctored because Hawaii would not say "African"? Was it doctored to hide the fact that O's parents weren't married?

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/12/koss-obama-birth-certificate-fake/>Fake

eightnine2718281828mu5

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More on the "birth certificate"
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So you figure this is the path to victory in November?

PeterUK

"Drop in the bucket; you guys need him as a lightning rod more than Dems need his money."

You mean the likes of Kerry and Kennedy spend their own money?

kim

Yes, eightnine, the path is to demonstrate what a fake your fella it.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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Yes, eightnine
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By all means continue down this path; we'll wake you up when the election's over.

kim

This flip flopper makes Kerry look like a steady hand at the tiller.
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PeterUK

Clarice,

"Was it doctored to hide the fact that O's parents weren't married?"

Worse,they weren't even the same sex.

PeterUK

"we'll wake you up when the election's over."

Nah! You'll run around screaming "You wuz robbed",again.

kim

One wonders why Obama's mother didn't continue to make him into a little Muslim in Indonesia. Was it only the accident of coming back to Hawaii which stopped that process. Also, though I'm assuming a lot, he wasn't reared as a Christian in Hawaii, was he. Did he not only assume his Christian guise in Chicago?
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clarice

PUK, you scoundrel.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Flip-flopping as an issue is a wash at best; McCain has changed his position on plenty of issues.

If McCain had changed his mind on something like pedophilia that might stick, but unless something hideous like that comes up, it's a non-issue.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Also, though I'm assuming a lot, he wasn't reared
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I hear McCain was raised as a God-fearing chicken-slaughtering Santerian in Panama.

kim

McCain, as is usual with someone who has been in public service for a long time, has changed his mind, that is true. He has justification for changing his mind that he can articulate and the public can believe.

Obama, on the other hand, has already demonstrated that his apparent changes of mind have been from political tactics and duplicity. His handlers attempt to justify the changes, he can't. As someone else has pointed out, he is intellectually lazy. And dishonest. Obama's high water mark has been reached; I only hope the change in level isn't tragically obvious before August is out.
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kim

eightnine, sometimes you are funny, and sometimes you have acute points. Why ruin the effect with drivel?
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kim

I'm tellin' ya, eightnine, if Hillary wants to be President someday, she'll do better coming out for McCain in September, than supporting Obama. Hide and watch.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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apparent changes of mind have been from political tactics
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I refer back to McCain's rejection of the religious right, the inevitable primary embrace of Hagee et al, and subsequent rejection.

It's a flip-flop-threefer of political expediency.

kim

Even the powers that be will recognize the fundamental unreliability of Obama by November. He will suffer the death of a thousand doubts. Please, eightnine, prop him up through August; I can tell your heart isn't in it, is it.
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kim

Only crazed satanic secularists thought that was flip flopping. His attitude to the religious conservatives has been pretty steadfast.

Your problem, eightnine, is generic to the left; you've been spoonfed a warped view of life and politics.
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kim

Heh, watch Hillary take Obama's money then give it to Congressional races to consolidate her power.
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PeterUK

Obama does not have a "position",he is a human palimpsest,write on him what you will then rub it out and start again.

"The moving finger having writ moves on…" Next!


kim

Careful, those guys over there will think you are calling him a pimp.
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Sara

eightnine, you seem to be hoplessly out of date.

Iran On Its Heels As Iraqi Government Gets Stronger

According the WaPo it appears the Iranians miscalculated when they backed Sadr instead of the Maliki government:

For the first time since 2003, Iran has stumbled in Iraq. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's decision to confront Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army in Basra and Sadr City last month caught Tehran off guard. The Mahdi Army lost more than face: It surrendered large caches of arms, and many of its leaders fled or were killed or captured. Crucially, the militias lost strategic terrain -- Basra and its chokehold on the causeway between Kuwait and Baghdad and Iraq's oil exports; Sadr City and the threat it posed to Baghdad security. Visiting Basra this month, I saw city walls covered with pro-Maliki graffiti. Commerce is returning to the city center. Trouble spots remain in both places, as Tuesday's car bombings show, but the Mahdi Army's unchallenged hold has ended.

eightnine2718281828mu5

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, so long as it invokes words like palimpsest"

(with apologies to EB Hall)

kim

The left is so hypnotized by its ideology that real life constitutes cognitive dissonance. It's not as if the changed situation in Iraq is breaking news. For them, it hasn't even happened yet.

Do you see why it is frustrating to talk to people like you, eightnine? You think snark and rigid ideology can win the day; you've no adaptability or really even desire to make sense of things. Just spin, and twist, slowly, slowly.
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kim

And it's palimpset, blowhard. But that last remark was funny.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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And it's palimpset, blowhard
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Sorry; it was a cut and paste from PUK's original post.

Sara

Bambi's religion is of no import to me. I could care less what he calls himself or others call him. He is a communist and as such, the only thing he truly worships is the State. He is George Soros' handpicked puppet and that makes him a dangerous communist because of the unlimited funds working behind him. The fact that he can only attract large numbers of young idealistic college kids and those voting for him because of his 1/2 race is understandable. It is easy to be an idealistic socialist when your parents or the government is footing your bills.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Actually, PUK's right, it's palimsest.

Blowhard. ;-)

PeterUK

Tabla Rasa is probably more apposite,but cipher is nice.

eightnine2718281828mu5

pal·imp·sest Audio Help /ˈpælɪmpˌsɛst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pal-imp-sest] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a parchment or the like from which writing has been partially or completely erased to make room for another text.
[Origin: 1655–65; < L palimpséstus < Gk palímpséstos rubbed again (pálin again + pséstós scraped, rubbed, verbid of psân to rub smooth)]

—Related forms
pal·imp·ses·tic, adjective

Johnny Bravo

Be careful folks, Al Q and our enemies (e.g., Iran) know the left and MSM in this country better than the retards know themselves. Expect dramatic large scale attacks right before the election to try to sway it in their guy's direction.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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It is easy to be an
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puppet, socialist, communist, palimpsest...

This board seems... dare I say it?

Confused.

Porchlight

Oh no, Johnny Bravo, you're not remembering your 2004 leftist spin correctly. Al Q and co want the Republican to win, because it increases recruiting.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Johnny Bravo
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How appropriate; the right is reduced to reliance on cartoon characters for its ideological cues.

JM Hanes

89:

"If Iraq continues to pursue a cozy relationship with Ahmadinejad, is that victory, or defeat?"

Victory.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Expect dramatic large scale attacks
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By the right to drum up support for its weak and flaccid candidate.

PeterUK

There is a kind of symmetry in modern politics which is almost Biblical.Bill Clinton begat Tony Blair who begat Barack Hussein Obama.Truly St Swindlers must be guarding over them.

PeterUK

"How appropriate; the right is reduced to reliance on cartoon characters for its ideological cues.

Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5 "

Take a look at your name,even Chuck Jones could not come up with that.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Victory.
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Unless of course it happens under the obama administration; then it will be equivalent to the end of western civilization, the rape of the sabine women, the breaking of the final seal, and the apocalypse of john all rolled into one.

glasater

Unless of course it happens under the obama administration; then it will be equivalent to the end of western civilization, the rape of the sabine women, the breaking of the final seal, and the apocalypse of john all rolled into one

Hey--now you're catching on.

PeterUK

"the apocalypse of john all rolled into one"

I knew it,with all those numbers,you're a call girl.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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you're a call girl.
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"Each man has his price Bob
And yours was pretty low"

PeterUK

"Each man has his price Bob
And yours was pretty low"

How did Robert Byrd get into this? He a Obama fan?

Cecil Turner

Mr Judgment:

"We can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops: I don't know any expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground."

bad

...that I've spoken to privately....

Gee Golly Gee Cecil, BO spoke to people who ended up being really wrong!!!! Doesn't mean HE was wrong.

These are not the region experts I knew...

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