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June 07, 2008

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kim

The climate warming showhorse came out of the gate like Stewball himself, but foundered in the back stretch and has been put down by its handlers.
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kim

They bet on the carbon.
They bet on the fear.
If they'd bet on Old Soleil,
They'd be free men, today.
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hit and run

Good Morning!

I'm having a hard time this morning remembering yesterday as if it were yesterday.

Jane

Good Morning Hit! Don't worry, it wasn't yesterday, it was a dream.

Clarice

Sneaking in this steyn classic:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-speech-remake-2061941-sen-great>Walking on water

jerryj

(I meant to post this here on the open thread, not the Hilzoy thread)


Check on this ABC video regarding Obama's "Bottom 10" VP picks:

ABC: Obama Bottom 10 (youtube)

kim

Harriet Christian for McCain's Veep. Now that's a fairy tale. But can't you hear her roaring 'inadequate black male' from the stump?
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centralcal

Thanks, Clarice - another great Steyn column!

Rick Ballard

Kim,

Did you catch the RSS confirmation of the May drop in temperatures? Gavin has to be reaching the point where seppuku offers the only way out.

MayBee

Oh, I'm so sad. Jim McKay has passed away.
What memories I have of that man.

Danube of Thought

Mornin', Jane. Mornin', all. I read the Sports Illustrated piece about Big Brown's owners and trainer, and find myself hoping he doesn't make it today.

Clarice

Keep your brain cells firing. Read this and figure out what's missing from this piece. Once you do, ask yourself if he had an R after his name would this have been buried in a Saturday edition in the D section?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060603810.html>Missing

Jane

Oh I loved Jim McKay.

You know I worked at Keystone mountain with "The agony of defeat" guy the year I got out of college. He was the bartender.

Not as memorable as Munich, but...

MayBee

DoT- why?

Jane- the guy who wiped out on the ski jump?

kim

We are cooling, Rick. For how long, even I don't know.
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kim

A good spot for my best bit of doggerel.

I think I've never heard so loud,
The quiet message in a cloud.
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Danube of Thought

Very sad about Jim McKay--I have such vivid memories of him at Munich, how utterly stricken he was by the disaster. Just a very nice gent who loved sports, and found himself thrust into such a nightmarish situation. Remember him saying "Gone...all gone?"

Jane, I was very pleased to learn many years ago that the agony of defeat guy was uninjured. What an unforgettable scene! And by the way, time really does fly--it was last July that we were in Florence, and we can't wait to get back. (I think maybe Mrs. Danube has a thing for David, if you catch my drift.)

The gist of the story--or stories--on Big Brown is that first, the trainer has him on steroids, which are legal in the three states where the Triple Crown races are run, but illegal in some others. There's a disagreement about whether the long-term adverse effects on a horse will be the same as on a human. One of the owners padded his resume quite a bit, describing himself as an investment banker and a heavy hitter on Wall Street, when in fact I think he just worked at a brokerage house. He has some commecrial fraud in his background, I believe. Finally, the trainer is very much an in-your-face kind of trash-talking guy, which is definitely out of place in that milieu. (I hope I haven't been unfair to any of these folks--I'm not sufficiently interested to go back and read the article.)

Jane

Jane- the guy who wiped out on the ski jump?

That's the one!

I think maybe Mrs. Danube has a thing for David

Don't we all?

bgates

Harriet Christian for McCain's Veep
Imagine the response to a bunch of Republican "vote Christian" posters.

MayBee

Jane- cool!

DoT- Thanks for the scoop. The self-promotion I can forgive. The steroids? Eesh. I still have to root for Big Brown, though, because even though I know he doesn't know the difference if he wins the triple crown or not, I still think he does.
Plus, the rest of the world will like us more if we finally have a triple crown winner.

whosonfirst

Casino Drive, the horse with the best chance of beating Big Brown, has been scratched. BB ought to win but in horseracing there's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

Danube of Thought

Casino Drive is named for an obscure Japanese musical group. (Just thought you'd like to know.)

I understand Hillary is now speaking. I decline to watch.

michaelt

(Same question I posted at Ace) Why is this speech on a Saturday?

MayBee

Because nobody wants to be on the loser stage with her, michaelt, and today is the day they were all busy enough they couldn't be there.

Clarice

Well, in case you are too hot, tired ot bored to play the quiz:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/murtha_watch.html

JM Hanes

Jane: "Don't we all?"

David? Count me out; here's my guy.

Your perspective may differ, but look at it this way!

Porchlight

David's arms always seemed too long, and he has that big head/too long neck. I like your guy better JMH.

kim

Now I see what Rick meant about 'achieving clarity in long form', JMH.
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kim

Clarice, that Air Force shake-up is quite interesting, too. F-22's? China?
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Danube of Thought

I think I may have mentioned this slightly embarrassing fact after coming back from Italy last year, but I had been familiar with the David all my life, having seen countless photos, miniature replicas and the like. Only thing was, I always assumed he was "lifesize," i.e. about six feet tall. Then I came around a corner at L'Accademia and bang!--there he was, looming over me. I guess I would call it the most astonishing work of art I have seen in my life, although I would be hard put to say why. Our lovely, highly-educated Italian guide told the story of the original commission, the two-plus years of work, the transporting across the city, and the unveiling, all in charming detail, so I guess that added to it. This time we're going back and taking my 24-year-old stepson and his two female cousins, one of whom is an art student.

I know I must have posted the story here, because I recall that several JOM'ers more knowledgeable than I weighed in on some of Michelangelo's shortcomings as a sculptor. But for me, David will do just fine, even if his hands are a little out of scale (the guide said this was supposedly on purpose, but I dunno...).

JM Hanes

That deserves a hotlink, Clarice. I know that nothing should surprise me by know, but I'm stunned that the Washington Post doesn't even mention Murtha's name. The obfuscation here has got to be deliberate: "It also has received more than $226 million in congressionally directed funding known as earmarks in recent years." Directed by parties who shall remain unknown, apparently. Excuse me while I go look for my jaw.

Danube of Thought

Way to go, Clarice (yet again). God, would I love to see Murtha end up like Duke Cunningham. But it ain't gonna happen.

RichatUF

I looked at it Clarice, and the Jonestown, PA and military contractors gave it away. Murtha-it would be nice if that pig gets hauled up to court in the next couple of weeks.

Clarice

I wrote the author of that piece asking if Murtha had an R after his name, whether it is likely his name would have been omitted from the piece and whether it would have ended up in Section D on a summer Saturday.

I haven't received an answer.

Murtha is being opposed by a man whose marine son was killed in Iraq. (I'm sorry I've temporarily forgotten his name. But, of course, I plan to support him.)

sbw

Yeah. I show up late and miss the quiz and could have earned an extra 10 credits on my report card. Shout it loud:

Murtha! Murtha! Murtha! An no Dems seem embarrassed at all.

Porchlight

DoT, I've never seen him in the flesh (so to speak), so I don't think my opinion rates. It's too easy to pick out shortcomings from tiny photos. I'm fully prepared to believe that in person he is as spectacular as everyone says. Hope I get the chance to see for myself someday.

Clarice

The David statue is lovely . JMH's Greek is perhaps a more important and stunning work, but the David is beautiful. And I['d take a trip to Florence over a trip to Athens any day of the week. (DOT when you go to the straw market--look up--in the attic of that old bldg is where the then leaders of Florence (blessed be their memories) hid all the records of the Florentine Jews from the Nazis.)

Rick Ballard

DoT,

Take a table at one of the trattoria on the north side of the Piazza della Signoria and examine the full scale David in front of the Palazzo Vecchio from that distance. The guide was correct in part - the statue was commissioned to sit at the top of a buttress on the cathedral so the scale fits (sort of) the distance from which it was to be seen - a matter of perspective.

I would argue that Micky missed by a bit anyway but that's just my opinion. Try and find the focus point of each eye when you look at the statue carefully. Imagine someone that walleyed hitting Goliath on the noggin with a sling.

Micky had a rather curious sense of humor.
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Sincerely,

Admitted Donatellist

kim

Ah, he might well have understood that that 'fishy' look did not effect depth perception. Clever, very.
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kim

Ah, he might well have understood that that 'fishy' look did not effect depth perception. Clever, very.

FLASH: Mickey was bright; if we only knew.
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kim

Or maybe it sharpened it, to compensate.

Hmmmm. mmmm?
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Porchlight

So did anyone watch Hillary's speech? Did she really say "as I suspend my campaign"? "Suspend" and "end" are not synonymous, although the media is treating them as if they are.

Danube of Thought

What I meant about the scale of the hands is that they are disproportionate to the rest of his body--too large. It's my understanding that the statue sat in the open in the piazza for about 150 years, so the gilding on his hair and the sling were worn away by the elements. Must have been spectacular when new.

Jim Glass

On the Affirmed-Alydar race day I was out in Queens at a backyard cookout near both the track and the airport.

During the middle of things a Concorde SST flew right overhead. That thing as LOUD.

The irony of Affirmed-Alydar battles was that while Alydar got the triple crown of placing on the track, from the accounts I've heard he was the undisputed victor in the battle that really mattered to the owners -- as champion of studs.

Jane

I have a very flaky connection, so the alternatives to David have not yet loaded, but I did see Hillary's speech and I thought it was a very good speech - maybe her best ever. I think Hillary has finally come into her own.

Better late than ever I guess.

Porchlight

Better late than ever I guess.

Heh. I like that.

Danube of Thought

I watched the Affirmed-Alydar race at the house of an older lawyer who was pretty much my mentor--a magnificent character who was really dialed in to racing, had a box at Santa Anita and all. He said it was foregone that Affirmed was going to win, regardless of how close it was, because Alydar's racing spirit had been shattered by the two prior races. I don't know if he was correct about the cause, but he sure had the result pegged nicely.

JM Hanes

DoT

What embarrassment? I know just what you're talking about -- I don't think it's possible to convey that extraordinary effect in photographs. The experience is not nearly as dramatic when you see the original inside the museum either, which is where most of us are probably used to seeing (nude) figurative sculpture.

I had something of the opposite experience when I first encountered Monet on canvas at the Boston Museum. I had been seeing slides of his work in an art history course, and the real thing just couldn't compete with the luminosity of a projected image on a big white, reflective screen, which was candle power of an entirely different order. Ironically, given the artist, the actual paintings seemed disappointingly drab.

Decades later, I find myself addressing that very issue in digital photography. I print my images on "dead" matte paper, which can give you incredibly rich colors and velvety (light absorbing!) complex darks. In order to get it to come out that way on paper, though, I often have to adjust the onscreen image almost beyond recognition. It's a double whammy on the display side. Slapping the recommended glass on a print to keep it from degrading destroys its whole raison d'etre just as fast as backlighting does. It also poses problems when it comes to defining the original piece of art when the "actual" image onscreen is not the "actual" end product. But enough about me!

Florence has got to be one of the most seductive cities on the planet.

JM Hanes

Jane: I'm not sure it's just your connection. Typepad has been really flaky lately too. It ate my last post so completely I had to start from scratch -- and hope multiple versions of same don't suddenly spam the thread.

JM Hanes

Porchlight:

As I understand it, if Hillary technically "ends" her campaign, she can't legally continue fund raising in order to retire her debt, ergo the "suspension." To confirm my own cynical bona fides, however, I still wonder if she's charging her campaign interest on the $$$ she loaned herself.

Jane

JHM,

I heard she was - and that Obama was going to have to pay it off with said interest.

Porchlight

Aha - thanks JMH. I guess we'll learn the details of her deal with Obama in time.

hit and run

On another topic (hey, can't say OT, since it is an open thread!)...

Did anyone else notice that Michael Goldfarb, of Weekly Standard blog editing fame, joined the McCain campaign as their online communications guy.

That is very good news.

Dean Barnett helps explain why... over at WWS. Oh and he throws a little love to our TM.

A lot of entities have discovered that blogging, namely responding to events in real time with insight and verve, can color a lengthy news cycle. What Tom Maguire writes on a Monday sometimes becomes conventional wisdom by Friday, and such a thing would never happen if Maguire didn’t blog and instead stuck to his normal routine of eating Cheetos and watching endless loops of Project Runway.

[insert obligatory "Dean will have to mud-wrestle me for TM" here]

Larry

JMH & Jane, I heard that, too. If it's legal, our campaign finance laws are really screwed up.

Alydar and Affirmed were glued together for 1 1/4 weren't they. Never saw anything like it.

The L A Dodgers have a young dude playing shortstop named Hu. Where are Abbott and Costello when you need them?

clarice

Hit--He really said that. You weren't making it up. Good for TM I think.

JM Hanes

Jane:

Sweet deal, no? I ended up on a real estate blog a few months ago, where looking at photos of one of Clinton pal Burkle's gazillion dollar residences was like a proverbial lightbulb. I think the Clintons have been jet-set wannabes from the get-go and find money every bit as irresistable as power. The two are not unrelated, but I wouldn't be surprised if they wake up pinching themselves every morning over the multi-millions they've been to raking in -- and every dollar has "You're Worth It" written on the front with "You're Entitled" on the back.

Danube of Thought

JMH--interesting stuff about the images. For a time I represented Ansel Adams, and later his widow and his estate, in a number of matters that came up as a result of his utter failure to concern himself with the laws of copyrght. In the process I had to learn (and was fascinated to learn) how much of his art consisted of what he did with the image after the shutter had closed--the inks, the printing techniques and the like.

As you may be aware, many people have been able to pirate his works by taking pics of his pics in the Library of Congress, and then publishing them in "Ansel Adams" books. When you contrast what they produce with Ansel's original works it seems there ought to be criminal penalties involved.

sbw

I believe Adams said that the negative is the score, and the print, the performance.

 Ann

Dot:

Maybe you should think of moving to Florence.::wink wink::
(I can't believe this man is King of the Democrat Party)

Statement of Senator Barack Obama on the Climate Change Bill

"We can’t afford more of the same timid politics when the future of our planet is at stake. We are already breaking records with the intensity of our storms, the number of forest fires, and the periods of drought. By 2050, famine could force more than 250 million from their homes. And if we do nothing, sea levels will rise high enough to swallow large portions of every coastal city and town."

kim

I had an Agfa with a snap-out diaphragm to extend the lens. It took size 120 film so developing and printing could be done on the cheap. Top Speed? f6.3 and Panatomic-X. I don't remember wasting a lot of shots.
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whosonfirst

Danube of Thought,

Just for the record, your mentor wasn't right. As with everything else, there's a lot of bullshit connected with horseracing. Alydar jut got beat. It had nothing to do with his "spirit being broken".

Jim Glass,

You're right, Alydar had the last laugh. He was much more successful at stud, which is where the real money is.

hit and run

Clarice:
Hit--He really said that. You weren't making it up. Good for TM I think.

Well yeah.

I mean, forget that Hilzoy/racism schism. That's a distraction.

The real issue that needs to be confronted is that Dean said TM obsessively watches Project Runway!

That's fierce!

Elliott

True, Hit and Run.

I've already taken sides, though.

Danube of Thought

"Just for the record, your mentor wasn't right. As with everything else, there's a lot of bullshit connected with horseracing."

I'm sure my mentor would love to argue the point, but he's dead. I guess there are at least two theories: he just got beat, or he just got beat because his spirit was broken. Haven't seen much evidence either way, except all agree that the horse finished second.

In the meantime, it looks like the lout trainer of Big Brown can shut his face for a while.

Danube of Thought

The link under my name will take you to a WaPo article about 60 Dem congressmen who have written the Justice Department requesting the appointment of a special counsel to investigate whether administration officials committed crimes in authorizing harsh interrogation techniques. This despite disclosure of the techniques to a number of congressional Dems, who uniformaly approved.

We really are getting closer to becoming a banana republic.

Barry Dauphin

Well, will Big Brown still be a metaphor for the presidential campaign after today's outcome?

Jane

What we need is a special counsel to investigate all the pork going into the hands and families of our elected officials.

whosonfirst

Danube of Thought,

He wouldn't want to argue with me right now because I had the winning exacta ($659) so I'm a genius until I make my next bet.

I agree with you completely about Dutrow. He had a lot to say when Big Brown was winning. If you're going to do that, you can't stand there with your back to the camera when things don't go your way.

clarice

DOT, and when you consider DOJ officials set forth the protocol for these interrogationsit really is time to make Chiquita Banana the National Anthem.

BOATBUILDER

Unfortunately, our Republican Presidential Nominee is on record as saying that he opposes those "harsh interrogation techniques," but hopes that in a pinch the guys who have to deal with the bad people will do what is needed anyway. And he's the hardliner.
The biggest problem Bush has (aside from the "R" in front of his name on the ballot)is that he actually thinks that if you tell poeple what needs to be done and why, they'll appreciate it. What he should have done is follow the highly successful Clinton model--tell them that you're doing everything they want (doesn't matter who they are or what they want) and ignore them.

clarice

It's simpler than that. Indict anyone and the answer is I did exactly what the DoJ memo said I could do. Then, what's the prosecution's response.
"You believed the DoJ explication of the law? Fool."

Surely if reasonable reliance is ever a defense it is in any such case.

ben

Big Brown was a sure thing at 1-4 but came in last..it was the day to make money...even with two horses exactly tying for show (almost impossible) the trifectas paid a fortune.

Da' Tara 79.00 28.00 14.80
$2 Exacta (6-4) Paid $659.00, $2 Trifecta (6-4-8) Paid $3,703.00, $2 Trifecta (6-4-9) Paid $3,954.00, $2 Superfecta (6-4-8-9) Paid $48,637.00, $2 Superfecta (6-4-9-8) Paid $47,309.00

Danube of Thought

Wow--congratulations to Whosonfirst. I saw that exacta payout I thought, "why the hell would anybody have placed that bet?"

Dutrow's reaction was as classless as he's been all along. He certainly looked attractive in his "Trump" ballcap and his shirt sweated through over his entire back, wasn't he?

hit and run

BOATBUILDER:
tell them that you're doing everything they want (doesn't matter who they are or what they want) and ignore them.

And don't foget to tell them that you feel their pain.

While biting your lip.

clarice

Hit--we could do a Hill and Bill musical--kind of an American Evita..Guess who I'm thinking of for the lead roles--if you play your cards right...............

hit and run

Ooooooh, perfect.

And who plays Monica?

clarice

Starts with .....J..........

hit and run

I just wrote my boss and gave him my two week notice.

When do we start rehearsals. We're going to need lots of rehearsals to get this right.

clarice

Get Mon..Er I mean J...and we're set.

clarice

In the meantime, keep practicing biting your lip. I'm working on that phony smile and the finger point to no one particular in the audience whose presence I am pretending to acknowledge with glee.

Soylent Red

"Don't cry for me Arkansa-as!
The truth is I never liked you.
While in the Mansion.
And the Rose Law Firm.
I think you're yokels.
I'm looking long-term."

Elliott

Again, thoroughly excellent work, Soylent.

Elliott

Porchlight, as you were kind enough to point out the fine cinematic offerings of yestereve, I feel I would be remiss should I not mention that, at 10:30 EDT, TCM will be showing Father Goose.

ben

"Dutrow's reaction was as classless as he's been all along."

This is not a classy guy. The warm-up for the race was a big human interest story where he says he used to live in a barn with his daughter at the racetrack after his girlfriend was murdered by drug dealers. He says things like "I was into the real expensive women and drugs, but I am doing ok now". Could be his 15 minutes are up.

JM Hanes

DoT:

That must have been quite something. If you could only represent a single photographer in your life time, he'd be the one! I think it's particularly difficult for artists who are immersed in an unfolding process to tear themselves away long enough to attend to practical realities. It's not just work, it's obsession, and nothing can compete with that for very long.

Back when professional caliber digital cameras were just coming out, there was a huge bias against digital work and I remember thinking that if Adams were here, he'd probably have been one of the first to embrace the kind of control that working with Photoshop gives you. In something of a reversal of traditional photography, however, I think it may actually be harder to produce superior black and white images than it is to handle color. There are serious authentication issues in documentary work, of course, and copyright protection is an even bigger bummer when purloining is so easy, but on the processing end, the range of what is possible and what's becoming possible is really mindboggling -- over and above the imaging revolution online. And yet, as your comment suggests, there's still no substitute for instinct, skill and subtlety when it comes to producing an Adams quality print. Change your printer, or your paper, or your ink, or hold your mouth wrong, and you can end up with dramtically different pictures.

clarice

I can just picture myself singing that, Soylent..I just can't decide which of the many hairdoes or clothes styles of hers goes with the song.

Does Berger play the Che character?

clarice

***hairdos***

hit and run

But Soylent, did you see me saluting you this morning?!!?!!?

ben

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8&eurl


One could imagine if McCain did this....it would be played incessantly as evidence he is too old, out of touch etc.

Obama stutters for a whole minute, never recovers, and his supporters probably thought it was endearing, or they didn't care what he was saying in the first place.

Soylent Red

did you see me saluting you this morning?

Yes. And your part was crooked.

JM Hanes

ben:

Let's get those joint McCain/Obama Townhall meetings nailed down ASAP!

ben

"Let's get those joint McCain/Obama Townhall meetings nailed down ASAP!"

If they are fair to both candidates it would be great but I am afraid McCain will be asked questions like do you use Preparation H or a generic brand and Obama will be asked whether he prefers puppies or kittens.

 Ann

...but I am afraid McCain will be asked questions like do you use Preparation H or a generic brand and Obama will be asked whether he prefers puppies or kittens.

Ben, I just knocked over my can of La Croix. LOL

Porchlight

I feel I would be remiss should I not mention that, at 10:30 EDT, TCM will be showing Father Goose.

Thanks, Elliott. I just got home, so it looks like I missed most of it. I'll try to catch the end. I did see it not too long ago - I'm a big fan of Leslie Caron. For anyone who is a fan of 1960s British cinema, The L-Shaped Room, also starring Caron, begins in a few minutes at 12:30 Eastern. It's a great, unsung film in the Taste of Honey vein.

I did see the race today, and I must admit I wasn't at all surprised (or sad) at the outcome. Just annoyed at all the post-race coverage of Big Brown. Um, he choked, people, it happens every day in racing. The Belmont has been the site of some big upsets. Get over it and cover the winner like you ought.

Danube of Thought

Very interesting, JMH. I really don't know what Ansel's reaction to these modern techniques would have been. I only knew him very late in his life, when he was (as he had perhaps always been) a very irascible and stubborn fellow.

Back in the depression days he had done a whole series of wonderful projects as part of a WPA program created by--of all people--FDR's Interior Secretary, Harold Ickes. Yes, that Harold Ickes's father. They were probably in the public domain, having been commissioned with federal funds, but in any event he never sought to protect his work in any way. Worse, he did the same with his own independent work--he just never took any of the basic steps to protect them as his own art. I did everything I could to concoct theories under which the various bottom-feeding rape artists could be stopped, and had some success with them. I think the real reason we succeeded, to the extent we did, is that the federal judge was just appalled that this guy's creations were being so abused.

Nowadays you'll see a lot of Ansel Adams prints bearing a tiny legend at the bottom saying something like "produced from a copy of an Ansel Adams photograph." That's one of the orders the court was willing to agree to, but it doesn't really help much.

Elliott

Well, you're in time for "That's not a snake," "It looked like a snake."

I'd forgotten how many good lines there were in the film. "You stepped on my foot!" "You put it under mine!"

I believe the views expressed in this piece are sincerely held. It reads like parody nonetheless.

Rick Ballard

Elliot,

He sounds as if he wrote that while sitting on one of those Obama Lightweight Vibrators.

Set to high, with fresh batteries.

RichatUF

Elliott-

Re: the HuffPo article

 Ann

"Dutrow's reaction was as classless as he's been all along. He certainly looked attractive in his "Trump" ballcap and his shirt sweated through over his entire back, wasn't he?"

DoT, My husband said the same thing, exactly.

I really wanted to see a Triple Crown Winner. However, you just know that if Big Brown had won the Obama camp would be calling him that tomorrow. So all is well. Let's hope it is a metaphor for the 2008 election.

kim

Heh, Elliott, that 'Republican activist' who is a DuBois poesy fan should be introduced to Ms. Sheehan.
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