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June 07, 2008

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Paul Zrimsek

I only ever raise my voice on behalf of those who have no voice. I never have to worry about the ungrateful bastards contradicting me.

PeterUK

"I see al-Bushi's Jedi mind-tricks are quite powerful among your people"

Taught him everything he knows.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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It's called dip;omacy.
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Inadvertent truth is better than none I guess.

clarice

Very good, Paul. Consider it stolen *thwap*

"Inadvertent truth"?As you know, 89, the same Maliki just entered into a long term US-Iraq security arrangement. (Long term US bases, I should imagine.)

PeterUK

Weak Digit, very weak.

Anyway what about these rapists of your's? They must be missing you in that institution.

royf

"According to the state-run IRNA news agency".

LOL boy these Marxist freaks certainly know how to pick some credible news sources.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Maliki just entered into a long term US-Iraq security arrangement
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Article dated yesterday; not sure it's been signed yet. If you have something more recent, I'd like to see it.

http://tinyurl.com/5reyxl

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The US is holding hostage some $50bn (£25bn) of Iraq's money in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to pressure the Iraqi government into signing an agreement seen by many Iraqis as prolonging the US occupation indefinitely, according to information leaked to The Independent.

US negotiators are using the existence of $20bn in outstanding court judgments against Iraq in the US, to pressure their Iraqi counterparts into accepting the terms of the military deal, details of which were reported for the first time in this newspaper yesterday.

Iraq's foreign reserves are currently protected by a presidential order giving them immunity from judicial attachment but the US side in the talks has suggested that if the UN mandate, under which the money is held, lapses and is not replaced by the new agreement, then Iraq's funds would lose this immunity. The cost to Iraq of this happening would be the immediate loss of $20bn. The US is able to threaten Iraq with the loss of 40 per cent of its foreign exchange reserves because Iraq's independence is still limited by the legacy of UN sanctions and restrictions imposed on Iraq since Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in the 1990s. This means that Iraq is still considered a threat to international security and stability under Chapter Seven of the UN charter. The US negotiators say the price of Iraq escaping Chapter Seven is to sign up to a new "strategic alliance" with the United States.

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Critics of the deal fear that the government will sign the agreement, and parliament approve it, in return for marginal concessions.
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narciso

The funny thing, eighty nine, is you want to have more direct contacts with the likes
of the sponsors of the IRNA;(one could call it Iranian Pravda, but since Keyhan has that
slot; Tass is a better analogue). They could be be referring to Salafi and Wahhabi
'activism' from the likes of Quahtani,Ajman Uteibi & Mutairi tribes, (Saudi is an incomplete description; of the Saud Abdel Azzis's appropriations of the country, and their on again/off again relationship with
their Ilkwan retainers) Then again,Egyptian
members of AQ, like Seyf Al Adel, have been active in the country, operating against regime targets in Yambu,Riyadh, Jiddah, if not targets farther north. You could Bayan Jabr, the former interior minister now at Finance, about that matter. He grew to loath the Wahhabi, just like residents of Mesopotamia, particularly Shia despised them in 1805, and in the 1920s. At some point, the Sultan put the oil rich Shia Hassa province under Baghdad's rule, just as Kuwait was under Basra's domain. Of course thanks to the likes of St. John Philby, Ibn Azziz was able to reclaim it Something to consider for the future.

clarice

89, I took another look at the article I was thinking of, and you are right..the agreement has not yet been inked.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Something to consider for the future.
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Will do.

Does any of this mean al-Maliki won't be kissing any variety of Iranian cheek in the near future?

eightnine2718281828mu5

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89, I took another look at the article I was thinking of, and you are right..the agreement has not yet been inked.
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Thx; I'm not against some sort of long-term reduced presence; just need to see the details.

narciso

I say that in so far as our concern with Arabia in the Abquaiq to Ras Tanura pipeline which lies in Hassa territory, just like the other lines that go to Yambu, in the Hejaz, which was originally the province of the Hashemites, who now rule Jordan. Everybody else, can just go way as far as we're concerned. Well that's not actually true as the new fields are farther
to the South.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Hashemites
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I grew up in appalachia; could you just point out the Hatfields and the McCoys?

narciso

Still bitter and clinging to your guns, heh, 89. The Hashemites are the best bet,
Of course, Philby made that quiteimpossible
by aiding Ibn Saud; who returned the favor by killing the British colonial agent in Kuwait, Shakespear (not a typo)since he did
nothing to aid the Brits during the war. Proof of this is seen in the fact, that Ibn Saud, only appears in two places, in the "Pillars of Wisdom" doing nothing in particular, I don't even know if there was
a credited character in the David Lean version; yet the credits show' Thanks to the Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia', not the
group represented by Sharif and Guiness's
characters.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Still bitter and clinging to your guns
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A pot bellied stove and a .30-06 can see you through almost any adversity.

sbw

89, look again at J. K. Rowling. Read her books. Look at the 25 million people in Iraq who have been given the opportunity for liberty. And smirk again at your misreading of what you quoted from Rowling.

What one does for the powerless is empower them, not steal from others simply because you have power. If you read, and if you understood the slightest bit of Adam Smith from P. J. O'Rourke's "On the Wealth of Nations" you would appreciate that almost all that ostensibly liberal Democrats want to do to "help" causes unintended consequences worse than what they propose to cure.

You are so smug about what you think you know that it shows exactly what you don't know.

89, you sorry, sorry soul.

sbw

89, you have it in your mind that people who have faith in a free market economy don't care for those who have no voice. But you, damn you, you're wrong and still you presume that you know best. So you, you nose-poker, impose yourself on me AND on the person without a voice. Such hubris. You can't possibly know what the word means, because you can't see it in your self-righteous self.

How do you listen to yourself!

eightnine2718281828mu5

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You are so smug about what you think you know that it shows exactly what you don't know.
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It's more common than you realize.

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causes unintended consequences worse than what they propose to cure.
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Not just liberals, but conservatives as well.

N-body problems aren't trivial, and I haven't seen any indication that republicans are any better at solving these problems than democrats.

Like Bush's nonsense with his petty provocations of China when he took office, which basically resolved itself when one of our EP-3's was made available for their disassembly on Hainan Island.

Pure genius.

sbw

Knock, knock, knock!? Anybody in there? ...

We're too late, JOMers. He's gone.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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89, you have it in your mind that people who have faith in a free market economy don't care for those who have no voice.
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Free markets don't produce optimal outcomes; some level of regulation is required to prevent its descent into pathological states.

Take copyright law; without copyright law, anyone who writes a book would fail to make a profit since, once written, publication would end up falling into the hands of the low-cost producer.

So free-market + copyrights leads to a more optimal capital distribution that unbridled free markets.

Now we have people hanging out shingles claiming to be doctors; pure hacks with no credentials. A few dozen bodies later, folks decide this isn't really a great idea.

And on and on.

Free markets are an illusion useful for rhetorical flourishes but not much more.

The world is a messy place, and it's up to the citizenry to decide exactly how much free market they want in their lives.

If allowing people a voice to determine the nature of the society they live in strikes you as smug, so be it.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Blind obedience to Adam Smith makes no more sense than following Galen on all matters medical.

sbw

Just spent the evening talking with a bright Danish high school exchange student. Amongst other things she explained how it struck her that most Americans she was exposed to in school could not carry on discussions. They had not the skill. They were more interested in winning arguments than is achieving understanding.

I understood her observation perfectly.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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I understood her observation perfectly.
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My guess is that interacting with real liberals isn't quite so entertaining as the imagined brow-beatings delivered to the mythical birkenstock-and-hemp variety.

I can only sympathize with your frustration.

I actually like engaging with conservatives to get exposure to a broader set of ideas than I'd get hanging out with people who agree with me; it's no fun repeating various forms of 'yeah! you guys are sooooo right!'.

narciso had some interesting little tidbits that I'll end up dumping into google; that's just what flips my trigger I guess. People are very cool filters who separate the wheat from the vast amount of chaff on the internet.

I generally try to either ignore the ad hominem stuff or respond with humor; if you find a more gracious way of taking the verbal abuse that constitutes the collateral damage associated with this 'hobby', let me know.

And for the record, you seem like a decent enough guy; we'd probably do just fine sitting at a kitchen table and BS'ing. But the internet doesn't provide as much interpersonal sensory bandwidth as real conversation, so I probably come off much colder than I am in real life.

Plus I'm a software guy and we have some idiosyncracies; you may have read about some of them on this 'internet' thing we built. ;-)

Rick Ballard

SBW,

You're closing the loop back to hilzoy's inability to respond to Tom's very accurate assessment of her "commentary" as being drivel, not by elucidating whatever point she imagined formed the basis of her gargle but by resorting to tossing out the very old and very worn race card.

Prog's simply don't have the skill set necessary for discussion. They can engage in memetic skirmishes by tossing around factoids as if the factoid possessed some meaning, per se, but they cannot cross a meme boundary and actually sustain a discussion. That is the primary reason that the leading lefty dim bulbs restrict their commenters to their own herd. And that's why our drivebys come accross as pathetically as they do - lots of geeks with absolutely minimal communications skills who are utterly convinced that random babbling constitutes a form of enlightenment that we lack the skill to assess.

Publius

sbw.

To paraphrase your exchange student, my daddy told me that arguing with a liberal, such as 89, is like mud-wrastling with a pig. You do it to win the contest. They do it because they like to roll in the slop.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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we lack the skill to assess.
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Skill is not the gating factor.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Americans...could not carry on discussions ... They were more interested in winning arguments
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You do it to win the contest.
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Sounds like you two need to achieve consensus on this before continuing.

eightnine2718281828mu5

http://tinyurl.com/2g375d

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Exploring the neurobiology of politics, scientists have found that liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work.

In a simple experiment reported todayin the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show that political orientation is related to differences in how the brain processes information.

Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences. The latest study found those traits are not confined to political situations but also influence everyday decisions.

The results show "there are two cognitive styles -- a liberal style and a conservative style," said UCLA neurologist Dr. Marco Iacoboni, who was not connected to the latest research.

Participants were college students whose politics ranged from "very liberal" to "very conservative." They were instructed to tap a keyboard when an M appeared on a computer monitor and to refrain from tapping when they saw a W.

M appeared four times more frequently than W, conditioning participants to press a key in knee-jerk fashion whenever they saw a letter.

Each participant was wired to an electroencephalograph that recorded activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, the part of the brain that detects conflicts between a habitual tendency (pressing a key) and a more appropriate response (not pressing the key). Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M.

Researchers got the same results when they repeated the experiment in reverse, asking another set of participants to tap when a W appeared.

Frank J. Sulloway, a researcher at UC Berkeley's Institute of Personality and Social Research who was not connected to the study, said the results "provided an elegant demonstration that individual differences on a conservative-liberal dimension are strongly related to brain activity."

Analyzing the data, Sulloway said liberals were 4.9 times as likely as conservatives to show activity in the brain circuits that deal with conflicts, and 2.2 times as likely to score in the top half of the distribution for accuracy.

Sulloway said the results could explain why President Bush demonstrated a single-minded commitment to the Iraq war and why some people perceived Sen. John F. Kerry, the liberal Massachusetts Democrat who opposed Bush in the 2004 presidential race, as a "flip-flopper" for changing his mind about the conflict.

Based on the results, he said, liberals could be expected to more readily accept new social, scientific or religious ideas.

"There is ample data from the history of science showing that social and political liberals indeed do tend to support major revolutions in science," said Sulloway, who has written about the history of science and has studied behavioral differences between conservatives and liberals.

Lead author David Amodio, an assistant professor of psychology at New York University, cautioned that the study looked at a narrow range of human behavior and that it would be a mistake to conclude that one political orientation was better. The tendency of conservatives to block distracting information could be a good thing depending on the situation, he said.

Political orientation, he noted, occurs along a spectrum, and positions on specific issues, such as taxes, are influenced by many factors, including education and wealth. Some liberals oppose higher taxes and some conservatives favor abortion rights.

Still, he acknowledged that a meeting of the minds between conservatives and liberals looked difficult given the study results.

"Does this mean liberals and conservatives are never going to agree?" Amodio asked. "Maybe it suggests one reason why they tend not to get along."
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Porchlight

Participants were college students

All you need to know about that study is in the above statement.

Publius

Why? Consensus is a goal found desireable mostly by the left.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Consensus is a goal found desireable mostly by the left.
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That's after hearing from a variety of viewpoints; Clinton was famous for assimilating many viewpoints before reaching a conclusion.

Bush is famous for hearing from a narrow range of viewpoints and following the singular consensus of his gut.

kim

Hey, eightnine, we ran over that study when it came out. You might do yourself a real favor and figure out why that study is propaganda and not science.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

Propaganda? In politics?

Mother, get the salts!

Publius

No, that's after the liberal bullies of a facuilty meeting make their position known, and then ask if there is any other opinions which they can pillage and mock before coming to their consensus.

Porchlight

I agree, Publius, but the methodology is fundamentally flawed if a bunch of college students in NYC and LA are asked to tap keyboards. First, their political orientation is self-reported. College students skew liberal, so the sample is sketch to begin with - a college student calling themselves "very conservative" may be much further to the left than a 50 year old self-reporting as same. Secondly, they're college students so they have very little experience with anything resembling "real life." Exposure to such may turn self-reported lefties to righties and vice versa.

In other words, asking a small sample of college students (at liberal universities, in liberal towns) to self-report on their politics, then testing them on a very narrow range of brain behavior and matching the results to the political ID, with no control group, is meaningless. You might just as easily divide them by those who like to stay up late and those who like to go to bed early, or those that drink coffee and those that don't, and get similar results.

Porchlight

Oops, sorry Publius, was responding in part to your comment at 12:02 am. At any rate I think we're in agreement.

Rick Ballard

Well, you have to admit that the study now provides evidence of the intellectual capabilities of a driveby Obabot. Where else could you find such rigor?

eightnine2718281828mu5

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No, that's after the liberal bullies of a facuilty meeting make their position known, and then ask if there is any other opinions which they can pillage and mock before coming to their consensus.
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I take it you've never worked in a large corporation.

kim

C'mon eightnine, don't get delirious on us. This study purported to be science, not politics.

Hint, check out the author.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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Where else could you find such rigor?
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If it was explained in crayon, maybe Bush's NSA?

Publius

No, I have worked in a mid-sized corporation. And I agree with you that is not how consensus is arrived at in the business world, which is more balanced politically than in an educational enviornment dominated by liberal activists and their "go along to get along" minions. My example earlier comes from my wife's experience in secondary education where the term "consensus" is used as a frequent, and familiar, form of mental arm-twisting.

Thanks for assisting in validating my point however.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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mental arm-twisting.
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Of course we'd all be sitting in caves fouling our own doorsteps without some sort of arm twisting.

We're not by nature a compliant species; we can be bribed (through sex or money) to produce a reasonable facsimile of compliance, but it's an unnatural act for most of us.

kim

Were the findings in crayon that all the Democrats voting to authorize the war read? Look, the bit about WMD was a failure of intelligence. The failure was not in deciding to go to war. In prospect, and retrospect, deposing Saddam has been the right thing to do.

You'd do your long term intellectual progress a big favor if you'd actually critically examine some of your outworn talking points, instead of honing your Snicker-Snarker.
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Publius

Your last point is reminder enough that it is time to climb out of the pen, wash myself off, get a good nights rest so that I can be alert for a morning of worship.
There might be a few JOM'ers left for you to have fun with.

Night all.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Were the findings in crayon that all the Democrats voting to authorize the war read?
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Absolutely. Gutless opportunists cowed by Bush's poll numbers with an eye to the next election cycle; nothing more.

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Look, the bit about WMD was a failure of intelligence.
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True up until the point that Hans Blix, with the administrations guidance, found no weapons in either deployment or development.

A re-evaluation should have taken place at that point, but Bush isn't given to excessive rumination. He owed it to the soldiers and their families as well as the nation at large to assimilate this new and important piece of data.

He did not, and that was a failure of judgment, not a failure of the intelligence gathered by the inspectors.

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The failure was not in deciding to go to war. In prospect, and retrospect, deposing Saddam has been the right thing to do.
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I disagree; installing permanent inspectors and isolating him would have defanged him at a much lower cost in blood and treasure, while leaving in place a regime hostile to Tehran.

Bush41 had it right, being a trained professional in the field he understood the full context of the decision to leave Saddam in power but in a weakened state.

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instead of honing your Snicker-Snarker.
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What I do with my snicker-snarker is nobody's business but my own.

kim

You need to read the findings of the Duelfer Report and the reporting of Claudia Rossett about the Oil for Food program. Saddam had the will to WMD and through OfF was finding a way.

Look, I belonged to the 20% who thought that No-Fly and sanctions were working. I opposed the invasion. I've changed my mind.

You don't have to convince me that deposing Saddam was a bad idea. You have to convince the Iraqis.
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kim

Your confidence in Blix's finding is misplaced. While keeping Blix from looking very well with one side of his mouth, Saddam was talking up his WMD with the other side.

And you fault Bush for not re-evaluating the situation. Well I fault Clinton and Berger and Clarke and the rest of his National Insecurity apparatus for re-evaluating the situation into a holocaust.
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kim

You still haven't read that Joe Wilson op-ed in the 2/6/03 LATimes. You oughta, and meditate over the meaning of it.
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eightnine2718281828mu5

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You have to convince the Iraqis.
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http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/14282

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Iraqis Say They Were Better Off Under Hussein

90 per cent of respondents think the situation in their country was better before the U.S.-led invasion.
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MJW

Frank J. Sulloway, a researcher at UC Berkeley's Institute of Personality and Social Research who was not connected to the study...

Not connected with the study, but a coauthor (along with John Jost, also a coauthor of the 2007 paper) of a similar, and equally political, paper in 2003. Somehow, I suspect he's not an unbiased observer.

Also, given the generally very liberal attitude on NYC and LA campuses, I think it's fair to say that one would have to be a little obstinate to defiantly declare ones self "very conservative."

eightnine2718281828mu5

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While keeping Blix from looking very well with one side of his mouth
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Correcting this issue was still cheaper in $$$/lives than invading.

eightnine2718281828mu5

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Your confidence in Blix's finding is misplaced.
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Seems to me like the only guy who did his job; he said he couldn't find any wmd's, and nothing was found.

'confidence' implies faith; he was proven to be right. No confidence is required.

eightnine2718281828mu5

http://tinyurl.com/aqgsa

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This is not to say that the operation of inspections is free from frictions, but at this juncture we are able to perform professional no-notice inspections all over Iraq and to increase aerial surveillance.
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glasater

Christopher Hitchens has some thoughts on Hans Blix.

A.C. McCloud

I disagree; installing permanent inspectors and isolating him would have defanged him at a much lower cost in blood and treasure, while leaving in place a regime hostile to Tehran.

If Blix found no weapons and certified Iraq as disarmed, which you appear to be suggesting (despite proscribed the missiles he found and the anthrax he didn't) why would there be any need to keep inspectors or sanctions or no-flys in place from that point forward? Saddam would have effectively won.

JM Hanes

"90 per cent of respondents think the situation in their country was better before the U.S.-led invasion"

You desperately need to update your talking points.

My favorite Hans Blix moment came in his famous interview on MTV when he said he really couldn't imagine what Saddam might want with WMD in the first place.

Spoe

Jane was a lesbian, but the other Jane made all those movies and married rich guys and her friends married rich guys..........

BarrymcGuire

Blix new the CIA weapons inspectors were leaked on purpose by a bad agent who was real curious about Ames. WMD 'energy specialists.' He knew the CIA hated Rice's WMD training for all OOs and CIA leaked on purpose to take advantage of the 'inevitable' war. So, no one can hurt Blix. Bolton made up for all that horrible CIA Blix stuff.

kim

I knew you'd get around to saying we should have left Saddam in place. For a libertarian, anarchist wannabe, you've got a nasty authoritarian streak.
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kim

You should read Glasater's link to Hitchen's article. You've been lied to by Joe Wilson about Yellow Cake and Niger.

You know Saddam fed people into shredders feet first so they'd suffer more. This is a head of state you'd keep?
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Topsecretk9

Blix new the CIA weapons inspectors were leaked on purpose by a bad agent who was real curious about Ames.

Plame leaked Ritter??????

Or did she leak stuff to the Russians?

kim

Pooch, Val Plame has still not been outed. Do you know what she did?
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JM Hanes

Claiming that we had Saddam in a tidy little box is probably the fastest way to establish that you just weren't paying attention before the war became a domestic hot potato. Apparently such folks have absolutely no idea that even the comfy status quo they somehow manage to conjure up was about to come crashing to a close with the lifting of sanctions -- with or without inspections. What's most amazing of all, however, is when the very same folks profess to be concerned about Iraqi deaths. "Cost in blood and treasure" is a political formulation entirely unrelated to projected numbers and scenarios of any kind.

kim

C'mon, you know perfectly well there were happy children flying kites in Iraq before the war. I saw it in a documentary.
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Topsecretk9

Kim

CC is saying Plame was the outer, not the other way around. Out = leak = dead drops under construction trailers = share equals a bad thing.

Treated as such? not so much.

Topsecretk9

dead drops under construction trailers = share = a bad thing.

what I meant
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Do you know what she did?

Kim? you do?

kim

Sure, I know what she did. She sat around and smiled a lot. She mucked up what little work she did do, and she connived with her husband on a little domestic regime change.

I've said before I wish CC knew what CC knows. I can't decide if the schtick is psychosis or camouflage. I know we've both gotten non-delusional insights from that source, and n recognizes some.
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PeterUK

"I grew up in appalachia; could you just point out the Hatfields and the McCoys?"

I had you figured for banjo player Digit.


"A pot bellied stove and a .30-06 can see you through almost any adversity."

So you shoot the stove and eat it,what do you cook it on?

PeterUK

"Seems to me like the only guy who did his job; he said he couldn't find any wmd's, and nothing was found."

Hans Blix wouldn't know a weapons system if he tripped over it,the man is a lawyer.

Jane

Good Morning everyone! It's gonna be a hot one!

clarice

Morning..It was scorching here yesterday, too. UGH And spring was so lovely....

sbw

Morning all! Enjoy the French Open and the warm weather.

Caught up on the last of the education of 89 last night. Thanks for approaching the need from so many different illuminating ways.

The crux of 89's problem is a habit of ignoring the content offered helpfully -- deflecting it, rather than considering its useful insight. It's a shame to see a frame held so defensively and reflexively that growth is out of the question.

sixtynine2718281828mu5

How does one parody mediocrity
To bring a being sans sanguinity

From lustreless grey
To cool pastel morning ray

To light pink rose'
and lime and shimmering sun
Through opalescent turquoise
and white fillies spray

Tumbling whooosshhhh
Unfolding onto the sand
Withdrawing whooosshhhh
Now watch my finger,
You're feeling drowsy
Sooo drowsy, your lids feel heavy...
;)

PS - and the only reason I haven't gone to bed yet, is because I washed my hair and it looked so nice, I didn't want to sleep on it.

PeterUK

Just like having Semanticleo back,debate by word association.

Bhurka Lady

Ahhhh, I guess I won't have to wear my bhurka today! (My def. of a bhurka -- the solution to a bad hair day :)

BL

PPS - The shredder jokes upstream are just hilarious! I'm making scrambled leggs with oregano on toast, and black coffee. Wish you all were here :) Um, except for the Soros fool.

BL

Oh, Kim, btw, do you know the Sanskrit meaning of opal? It matches your second entry :)

BL

And what is "Geddoudaheah" - in my language it's "Patience one has" :)

HoosierHoops

hey PeterUK
Cleo has a son that joined the Marines last year.
Has she updated here lately on how he is doing?
Jordan returns to camp P on the 15th..We've been spoiled with his presence..

Clarice.. I missed friday nights party here..How did it go?
Did you know that i know a couple GOP insiders that have a tape of Saddam calling Bush a whitey? He also said G@DDam* Amerikka.( esp. during bombing runs )
They have seen the tape but they won't let me see it unless i come up with a box of cubians. ( i was an insider once but got booted.)

It is with great sorrow that i see the democratic party destroy itself over the obama/hillary thing. Visiting liberal blogs these days is like walking into a mine field.
The hate is unbelievable and undenialable..
I called my aunt the other day who is an elected dem state official in wisc.
And as i always promised her I won't ever quote her on any blog..She is dismayed.
( that's not a quote )
The party really needs to tack to a more moderate stance and i think there is a major shift going on...The PUMA-style blog sites coming on-line and growing is amazing.
( puma= party unity my ass )
- - - -
It's the NBA finals with lakers vs. celtics..the hoopster is in heaven.

PeterUK

No HH,I certainly haven't seen her around for a while.


"It is with great sorrow that i see the democratic party destroy itself over the obama/hillary thing. Visiting liberal blogs these days is like walking into a mine field.
The hate is unbelievable and undeniable.."

Gradually the central contradictions of Political Correctness are unraveling.

clarice

" missed friday nights party here..How did it go?"
Someone with a string of numbers for an id rather hijacked the thread though Soylent came up with his usual wonderful Bald Man shtick.

HoosierHoops

Haha yea i read the thread Clarice..
89 + some numbers as a software consultant was pretty entertaining on a slow sunday.
We got a ton of rain yesterday. we were lucky but towns nearby are under water.
very sad..

BL

Oh God, yes, Soylent was soooo funny!

Kim, about that filly. You know, the only time I ever bet on a horse, I saw this lovely white filly before the race and intended for her to win, and she did! I believe it was also 38 to 1 (is that always the odds on a long shot?). Wouldn't it be funny if that was the mare that begot your filly and you also won!

MayBee

Hoosier- Cleo is a he. Besides that, no he hasn't updated us on his son the Marine.
I know you'll be sad to see your Jordan go back to camp.

And.
Must proclaim love for Soylent!

sixtynine2718281828mu5

Hee, did anyone figure out if 89 was a he or a she?

PeterUK

Definitely an It.

Jane

No one cares. Why not get a life?

sixtynine2718281828mu5

Hee, Jane, in case you haven't noticed, I'm parodying 89 with my 69 poem :)

Love, BL

Porchlight

LOL BL - I didn't notice the "sixtynine." Good work. Wonder if the "real" 89 will rejoin us today...

BL

Hee, PL, he's fast asleep, I believe he sleeps on his back and snores. Now his wife could adjust the pillow a little... oh that reminds me, hitandrun, you were hilarious in that other thread about the lower back maneuver, still giggling out loud!

Danube of Thought

"It is not racism to recognize that black people in this country, for historical reasons, are a special case."

Is it worth pointing out that there is no history of slavery, or even of enduring Jim Crow laws, in the Obama family?

BL

Peter, it just occurred to me that perhaps 89, who so clearly gave us his e-mail address at Soros.org twice, is sending us Hillary's Swiss bank account numbers - or Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Channel Islands or the various BCCIs in the Caribbean:

892718281828 mu5

Soros would know not to leave a woman scorned with money in her backpocket. Maybe Plame is even a co-signer, hee! The FBI can get two birds with one stone.

BL

Oh, good grief, now Plame
will claim
protective custody,
so she can spill the beans on Hillary!

BL

Hee, Swiss IBAN accounts have 12 digits
and "mu" is the country code for Mauritius. I wonder if the Mauritius Commercial Bank uses IBAN too.

eightnine2718281828mu5

Thank you for allowing me to disrupt another thread.

As always, I appreciate the use of this free high-traffic platform to get my propaganda out there onto the search engines.

sbw

Gosh, and I thought 89 was actually interested in the future that he/she will probably be part of.

kim

I wouldn't brag, eightnine. GS is debasing the currency of communication and you are an excellent example.
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PeterUK

"As always, I appreciate the use of this free high-traffic platform to get my propaganda out there onto the search engines."

Why bother,if people want to find it they can just Google "gibberish".

glasater

89 can't even do a proper link! How smart is that?

Jane

Hee, Jane, in case you haven't noticed, I'm parodying 89 with my 69 poem :)

Sorry, I just saw the same ole baloney and hit and ran (spo to speak)

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