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July 20, 2008



Twice the US press has been hoddwinked by Der Spiegel and has gotten it's first two big stories on the Obama hadj dead wrong. To anyone who's paying attention, the coverage is now ALL suspect.

Including, the to be featured stuff on pita sellers for Obama.


So what is Obama's timeline for withdrawing from Afghanistan?

As Obama swings his campaign toward the general election I keep hearing how Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq.

What I don't hear is what he actually said in that famous speech.

What did he say that confirms his judgment claims today? Was he accurate and knowledgeable and is he consistent today? Does that speech demonstrate that Barack Obama knew the right thing to do when all the rest were flailing around for an answer?

Lets take a look at the key points in Barack Obama's now famous (but rarely quoted) 2002 Iraq speech



Cecil Turner
The debate is about whether or not to leave.
Preposterous. There is no "debate" about leaving. McCain:
I do not want to keep our troops in Iraq a minute longer than necessary to secure our interests there. Our goal is an Iraq that can stand on its own as a democratic ally and a responsible force for peace in its neighborhood. Our goal is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops. [emphasis added]
Some contend that we should set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces. Let me explain why that would be a serious mistake. Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis, who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done. It would send the wrong message to our troops, who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve. And it would send the wrong message to the enemy, who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out. We will stay in Iraq as long as we are needed, and not a day longer.[emphasis added]
The debate is whether we bother to win first. And most of the electorate (at least amongst the swing voters whose minds aren't totally fogged by Kosbeams) can tell the difference between winning and losing. Even with the softest lens, I don't see how the spinmeisters can claim this one as "he was right all along." Nice frame job, though.

I was right all along; I've said for years we'll leave when Sistani tells us to, and no sooner, or later. We are there by his grace, and by his ability to forgive us for Powell's treachery after Gulf I.

bio mom

The press is so desparate to support Obama that they jump on anything that they think will help without any analysis or care about what they are saying. Scum.


Is it just me or .. do the Obama “military” audiences seems very .. non-white, non-Latino, non-Asian ?


It's not just you. JMH had a couple shots from Kuwait--


How can you not understand,"Nostrobamas" has seen everything before.

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

I feel so much better now, Peter. Thanks for that comforting info.

I confess I have doubted his wisdom and knowledge. I will not make that mistake again.

Rick Ballard

"JMH had a couple shots from Kuwait--"

Here is the Yahoo montage

Here's Fox

It's almost as if "Sergeant, I want 500 cheering troops in that mess hall ASAP." hasn't been said so far in Afghanistan...

That's OK. I'll bet Green Helmet shows up from Lebanon to personally greet Obama in Iraq. He won't let an ally down. If only there were a few more AQ jihadis still breathing...

Thomas Jackson

I can just see the hand signals from the troops during the photo ops. Are we going to have another Hildabeast moment with the Dalibama?


Obama position in regard to Afghanistan is now equivalent to that of JFK in regard to VietNam.
As VietNam began to come unglued, Lee Harvey gave him a honorable out.


Afghanistan was all PC and Green Berets and Harvard and Kennedy - planned and executed by the Intelligence Committee and Shays making sure his pals in PC and Harvard and Kennedys got cash. Obama is one of them, so is his wife and his dad. Of course he's for Afghan aid since he had interest in the money going around the USAID admin and to his pals. Shays arranged most of it, but he had friends making sure the dems got the cash. So, we have the dem war, Afghanistan and the Repub war, Iraq. The CIA bought into Afghanistan and surprise, there is interest in paying. Obama's brother on the payroll? USIP and the retired federal employees it hires got their new building on the mall.

Yes, the dem war was a success.

Obama is for aid because he and his pals got paid. Iraq was no money, so he wasn't interested, but Malaki sure responds fast now. Obama and his pals were interested there. They had to be told it was no money and they ruined him anyway.

Obama wants troops out of Iraq and the Iraqis are just going to agree, they've learned their lesson about Obama and his pals. Obama wants more money into Afghanistan, well, I don't think his pals can get much more, but it's good that he's backing up the original pay out.

Sorry you guys got screwed out of some money, but when they were recruiting it was a foreign country and we have to fess up when they figure out the plan. Stans, Russians, trainers, lawyers- sometimes we get confused.


No, Afghanistan was never really a group project by this crew. Karzai wasn't considered authentic enough, and his coalition was too diverse (not enough Pashtuns, specially of the Taliban variety)
A flavor of this can be seen in Schuer's complaint that the likes of Hekmatyar weren't incorporated into the ruling coalition; no word about Mullah Omar. Than again Hekmatyar, the late Raisul Sayyaf and
Omar's mentor were part of the Peshawar circle of CIA favored Mujadeen groups.
One is reminded of the 'loyal jerga' in Bon that went nowhere. Massoud was despised by most of the State Department and CIA until his death made him untouchable. Before that time, he was slandered as being involved in the opium and/diamond trades. Karzai is regarded by too many, in the US Govt like the counterpart to Shaj Shuja, the early 19th century ally to the Brits, deposed in the retreat from Kabul.

There was a similar dynamic at work with regards to Iraq. State favored Mssr. Adnan Pachachi the scion of one of the leading families, and the figure who was negotiating UN resolution 242 and 338 at the end of Oren's book of the Six Day War.
He was an exile too, for almost as long as Chalabi; but he lived in the more
respectable UAE, not Jordan or Lebanon. He was a ceremonial President in the ist interim government but did not prevail in the first real elections. Ghawar al Khafagi, the oil man from the Shammar tribe, had better luck. CIA preferred the late Gen. Khazraji but had to settle for their joint asset with MI-6 or reformist Baathist,Iyad Allawi, the INA who waged a pretty ineffective campaign against the regime in the early 90s. Interestingly, Allawi's vehicle, the Iraqi Islamic Brotherhood, is the Iraqi branch of the Moslem Brotherhood The CIA man who maintained those ties to the INA was none other than George Tenet.
This attitude persisted early last year, with a public relations campaign to oust Maliki; in favor of Allawi, being run out of Haley Barbour's P.R. firm. Much like the anecdote, what happens to the dog food that the dogs won't eat, that campaign went nowhere. The idea of an interim authority, much less a government that included Shia like Chalabi and Sharastani, Kurds like Talabani and Barzani; seemed fantastic then, and even improbable now.Baathist functionaries like Obama beneficary Auchi and the crook Al Samarrai That is what you have to understand, when they complain of not enough 'political reconciliations'

JM Hanes


"Baathist functionaries like Obama beneficary Auchi and the crook Al Samarrai That is what you have to understand, when they complain of not enough 'political reconciliations'"

Hadn't thought of it just that way, but I can feature it. I've thought it might be interesting to see if there's any apparent correlation between what Obama was saying about Iraq and key junctures in the al Samarrai saga. Haven't gotten around to giving it a shot though.


I had read a comparison of BHO's speeches during that timeframe on a blog somewhere but dang if I can find it.

However, this article from Human Events was pretty interesting titled Rezko Connections: More Questions for Obama. It deals with the Aiham Alsammarae saga.

JM Hanes


Jane linked to Talisman Gate on the Alsammarae connection awhile back. The blogger there doesn't post on a very regular basis, but he's got an interesting take on different issues when he does. I don't think I'd seen the Human Events article, which has lots of great detail. Thanks for the pointer.


Found a short thead. I put up a few hay baling pics on photobucket if anybody is interested.



the references to Rezko's involvement in the Chanchamal plant in Kurdistan, Al Sammarai's escape from prison, Auchi's likely tie to both; and their ties to Obama
all figure into this. Nibras Kazmi's and that other Chicago blogger, Confederate Yankee, all figure into this. This is one of the problems, with the blogosphere sometimes, the original credit is sometimes hard to come by. Glenn's Instalaunches sometimes conpound the problem. The
difference with the regular 'dead tree' media; they aren't even really looking for the facts. They won't openly acknowledge the Kuwaiti/Quatari campaign against Gitmo,
the Baathist role in the 'looted Iraqi Museum' story. AP & Reuter's collaboration with Hezbollah, AQ. or Taliban affiliated stringers. It is not surprising that the
"Obama is a Muslim" emails, emerge in this culture, which seems more like Soviet era
samizdat in a Pravda culture. Unfortunately,
tripe like the truther insinuations, also flow in this miasma.


Let's see, corn, oats, hay....and pumpkins!


Pofarmer--looks like a very nice operation you've got going there:-)

JM Hanes


Loved your pix! In my previous life I spent a lot of time on farms -- went through your whole album, and it was like old home week (except our equipment was mostly green, not red:) That's a lot of equipment there!

Farm machinery is really amazing stuff. One of my favs was always the Corn Harvester . When you see this huge, clanking pile of metal parts that looks like some medieval contraption rattling & burping its way through a field, it's just hard to believe the kind of delicate task it's really doing: you watch a couple of yards worth of whole corn stalks taller than you are disappear into the maw and then lo & behold, it spits individual kernels out the funnel! It was always like, how does that happen?

I was interested to see that system for clustering multiple square bales. Has that been around long? They'd have to be packed pretty darn tight to survive being dragged along the ground that way, wouldn't they? Can you lift them up and stack them 6 at a time too? It seems like you could move a lot more hay around more easily that way than you could with the round bales, although I see you're doing both. Do you feed livestock on site too? I'm afraid my geography is a little weak when it comes to whether you're part of cattle country or the corn belt -- or both.

Thanks for including us in; that was a real treat. Speaking of which, your pumpkins are a downright classic, and that surreal Flag shot is really something.

Rick Ballard


You beast! You shot Bambi's daddy!!

How'd he cook up?


Pofarmer, thanks for the great pix. Really loved seeing the equipment in action, especially the accumulator with the boys running after it.


The old deer was pretty tough, but he'll make MO big bucks. ;0)

The small square bale accumulator works with regular small square bales. They weigh from 50-70 lbs each. It accumulates 8 and you pick them up with an attachment on the loader. I've moved 1000 bales in an afternoon by myself with it, but it's a long afternoon. They have been available in different configurations for some time. The big square baler that you see has pretty much replaced the small square baler. The high quality stuff gets baled with it for resale and the lower quality stuff goes through the round baler. Sunday afternoon we baled and moved in 130 big squares. Started baling at 2 had the last load unloaded at 8:30. That's the equivalent of about 2500 small squares. The big square has lot's more capacity and they are easier to handle and ship. Downside is they require a lot of HP to run. We're in kind of an inbetween area here. Not really in the corn belt, not in the great plains, really no cosidered Mid-west. I don't know where we are!!! Yes, we feed cattle on site and sell some locker beeves, as well as commercial.


I almost missed those great pictures Pofarmer. Thanks, what a treat.

I have to figure out how to link to picks because my husband is the best pumpkin carver around. We could have a contest!

JM Hanes

Pofarmer: Not really in the corn belt, not in the great plains, really no cosidered Mid-west. I don't know where we are!!!

Call it the sweet spot! That's a lot of hay. The equipment may change, but it's still like playing Beat the Clock, isn't it?

Ann: We could have a contest!

Hold that thought!


Welcome to our game world, my friend asks me to buy some wakfu gold .

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