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August 31, 2008



Color me surprised to see Andy suddenly interested in the contents of a Vagina.

Danube of Thought

I'll file it under "Not Troubling in the Slightest." TM, you got a problem with this? If so, what, exactly, is the problem?

Is this your fastball?

Charlie (Colorado)

Tom, you've got disdain for trial lawyers, vs suing the hell out of a company that apparently at least arguably cost AK 1.8 billion with a 'b' dollars.

And a political establishment that hired the consulting firm refusing to pay for the lawsuit.

Yeah, this one's gonna hurt Palin. You bet.


Of course, Paul Weiss is not your father's plaintiff's firm. It is a top-drawer Wall Street firm that takes very few contingency fee cases. Informed speculation: The case is in fact a winner and Paul Weiss thinks it will make a bundle. Rank speculation: Palin could not get the money for the lawsuit for some reason unrelated to its merits. Perhaps she had already irritated some legislator who blocked it, or Mercer had some pull with an important legislator.



Here's the complaint. Its a big file, 6.5 meg pdf


Well let me put my two cents in on contingency fees. I have always thought they are the most fair way to bill a client. Too many lawyers take stupid cases because they can milk their clients for an hourly rate. With a contingency fee the lawyer works for free unless he prevails - sometimes for years. It's in the lawyer's best interest to not put their client thru litigation they cannot win.

Now too often lawyers also file suit as a means of extortion - it's cheaper for the defendant to pay than to go forward with litigation - Elliott Spitzer was the king of that. But I doubt someone is gonna take a case this big, with this much at stake if they didn't have a good chance of winning it.

Average Voter

Even if this is a huge scandal, it won't be a problem. The election is in 2 months and it will take 6 months to explain what this issue even is. And that blurb above ain't gonna do it.

Let's go back to the Palin in bikini pics scandal. Easy and interesting.


The Fallon AZ McCain/Palin rally is now up on CSPAN. There's no sound for the preliminary music, so fast forward.

Captain Hate

BFD; this is nada.


I did a quick speed reading of the compaint and an outside audit discovered 3 signficant errors in the calculations and Mercer wrote an internal memo (State of Alaska Team) which agreed with the outside auditor and that memo was kept from the retirement board (items #60, 61). If those items are true, I don't see why this would be a Gov. Palin scandal?

Barry Dauphin

Just when it looks like Sullivan can't get any worse... When is Obama gonna release all his medical records BTW?

The case is in fact a winner and Paul Weiss thinks it will make a bundle.
More likely, but still in the realm of speculation: the same fact pattern happened in New York. PW could be putting up trial balloons to see how they'd do in the larger, more lucrative suit over the NY pension system getting screwed by dishonest / stupid actuaries.
Danube of Thought

I reject TM's basic premise that there is something inherently wrong with contingency lawsuits. There isn't. There is something very wrong with such lawsuits when brought by unscrupulous, even criminal, plaintiffs' attorneys like Bill Lerach and Terry Christensen. (The former is rightly in federal prison and the latter is awaiting sentencing. I am hoping to find an appropriate dating service for him once he reaches the Big House.)

I have often referred clients to reputable, honorable lawyers who work on a contingency basis when the circumstances warrant it. Those circumstances generally mean a good chance of success and a desire to economize on fees (or inability to pay such fees) on the part of the client.

Paul Weiss is indeed not your average contingency firm. Neither was my firm, but when conditions were right we didn't hesitate to proceed that way.

Has TM outsourced to a substitue host for the holiday weekend, or what?


Well, perhaps Republican disdain for trial lawyers and speculative contingency lawsuits is a sometime thing.
I'm an absolutist. I say, disband the civil legal system altogether, and deal with disputes by some combination of pistol duels and cockfighting.

I'll defer to the legal opinions of the above commenters, and just add that politically, this sounds like it plays into the "take on the big [party officials, oil companies, financial companies] who aren't playing by the rules" theme.




Sounds to me like there was a scandal--not hers though. I suppose if the legislature refused to authorize engaging counsel if *MAY* have been because the people charged with wrongdoing had pals who covered for them by voting down the authorization. If that is the case, hiring counsel on a contingency was a damned smart way out of that.
I agree with Jane and DoT the good reputation of the counsel who were hired, suggests there is a substantial likelihood that AK will prevail in the suit.

JM Hanes


So, I guess your first Palin post was not a joke after all. Maybe I'm not following you here, but I don't get how this rises to "troubling," let alone an even minor potential scandal.

Superficially this suit appears to me to be yet another public entity that would prefer to flail about and sue someone rather than than admit that they deliberately under-funded their pension plans in order to avoid raising taxes or cutting services.
Superficially, it appears to me that since Palin was not governor at the time, it's bit much to expect her to do a mea culpa for under-funding during someone else's tenure, and to fault her for failing to raise taxes & cut constituent services, in favor of seeking reparations from the responsible parties first. But that's just me.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but you remind me of Teddy Kennedy in nomination hearings, saying ominously, "I have concerns." Is this the best the whispering campaign can come up with? ''Cause that's what I'd call it when a Mercer employee just happens to tee up this story, with a self-serving (who moi?) disclaimer about not knowing if an endorsement was the extent of Palin's involvement.

Danube of Thought

"This is by no means a major scandal even if the lawsuit is substantially without merit."

Lemme get this straight. Our host seriously entertains the notion that Paul Weiss Rifkind & Garrison is going to accept a plaintiff's case on a contingency basis, even though it might be substantially without merit?

No doubt about it: Someone is subbing for Maguire for the holiday. Someone who ain't thinking it through.

This is like when Johnny Carson used to go on vacation. Please, please--no more David Brenner.


TM ~ TK, JMH? C'mon. I think he's wrong, but if he's nonplussed by the Palin pick, let him air his arguments. We can attack the argument without going after our host.

Teddy Kennedy. Jeeesh.

JM Hanes

Calls 'em as I sees 'em bgates. Just chalk it up as a gurl thang. :-)

Danube of Thought

No, TM does not equal TK. TM's sub equals David Brenner.

JM Hanes

Well, I could have used Pat Leahy or Chuck Schumer or any of the other guys who find a nominee's record "troubling" or who have vague unspecified "concerns" or any of the other code words for "We got nuthin'" -- but the last time I heard it, it happened to be Teddy. So sue me!

Danube of Thought

And don't forget ol' Tom Daschle, who was permanently "disappointed."


As I said above, I'm against that kind of thing.

Pistols at dawn!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

TM's brain has obviously been invaded by someone.

I would never have been able to bring my police brutality suit against the county and sheriff's dept. if not for my attorney taking it on a contingency basis. And then when I won, he took his percentage and a week later sent me back a check for an additional $2000 because he felt I did most of the legwork to get the case together.

TM, we get it you don't like her, but this does seem a bit beneath you to call this a "not yet reporte scandal" as if there really was some there there.



BTW, the announcement is still on the official site here:

and here:

The top-level news page contains only a handful of recent press releases and NONE from 2007 when the press release you reference was issued...looks more like poor website design rather than anything nefarious. Next time, use the on-site search before you accuse someone of flushing inconvenient content down the memory hole.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Well received in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Missouri is all good news. I guess we can let Connecticut do their own thing, if we can wrap up these three.

How Palin Is Playing - Another Report from Ohio:

We spent the afternoon at the Canfield Fair today, and found more anecdotal evidence that the Palin pick is playing well. The Republican tent was fairly full all day, which was somewhat unusual, as Mahoning County is heavily Democratic. Those I asked said they've heard largely favorable responses to the Palin pick, and a good amount of excitement. Folks in this part of the country seem to like her background (union, hunting, PTA, etc.), and contra some of her critics, I haven't heard any mention of her religion or faith. By early evening McCain-Palin t-shirts arrived and appeared to be selling quite briskly. (They were already sold out of the size my mother-in-law wanted.) The Democrat tent, by contrast, did not seem to have the same volume of traffic, at least not when I stopped by. It's possible this as due to its relatively poor location at the fair -- they were more our of the way than the GOPers. It's also possible that Mahoning County Democrats have yet to embrace their own ticket, as this is Hillary country. In any event, this is more anecdotal evidence, like the reported increases in McCain rally size, that the Palin pick is playing well where it counts.

It's unlikely that Governor Palin *personally* asked for $12 Million dollars to pay for the suit. More likely, the state legal counsel included that in a routine request she signed off on and sent to the legislature to fund.

Bill in AZ

Well, every few months TM runs a "Bush isn't all that" post. I think he does it to get our thinking lined up for the cyber-wars that are still to come. It works.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

See what happens when you start this sh!t.


JM Hanes

"Pistols at dawn!"

May I suggest pies? That would be American Apple Pies, of course.

baked alaska

Speaking of parentage,
this is also enlightening

Danube of Thought

A marvelous by-product of this election season has been the catastrophic meltdown of Andrew Sullivan before our very eyes. I detest the man, and have long wished him ill. My prayers are now being answered in ways I would never have dared hope for.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

She looks very pregnant in these two pics:


Sara (Pal2Pal)

OMG, just picketd this up out of an American Thinker article:

Piloting her own bush plane around Alaska.

With everything else, she's a pilot too.

JM Hanes

"Piloting her own bush plane around Alaska "

Palin has that whole larger than life thing going for her, doesn't she? Obama's suddenly beginning to look like the small town boy here. If America is as hungry for change as the Democrats have been claiming, they will eat this stuff up.


Here's the question I left for Mr. Colmes. Guys, avert you eyes.

Dear Dr. Alan

I have an itch of a very personal nature. I’ve heard you are an expert in this area. And of course I am interested in only the best of care. May I make an appointment as soon as possible please?

Sorry Guys

JM Hanes

I wouldn't even bother with the pregnant pix, Sarah. The idiots are stewing in their own poisonous juices, why even interrupt the process?

JM Hanes

Before you know it, bad, MayBee will be pushing your name for Secretary of State.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

If I'm to be called a racist by the dems because I'm not voting for Obama and his Marxist agenda, then I call every man and woman not voting for McCuda a sexist pig. Fair is fair.


Colmes would be smart to avoid the comments on his site. They are very descriptive and some of the questions are posed by men.

So funny.


Maybee has this awesome talent of cutting through the carp. She rocks!!

JM Hanes


I'm not sure how well that worked out for them, but party on! :-)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This is my last thought for today.

Sarah Palin is, in my vision, the ultimate feminist. Ballsy, bright, and beautiful.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

JMH: Tongue in cheek, my dear, tongue in cheek. :)

JM Hanes

Sara: I had my last real thought of the day a couple of hours ago.:)


Let me get this right. A firm defrauded the state of Alaska 1.8billion dollars. Gov Palin called them out sued to get the money back abd the corrupt Alaska gov refused to give her the money to figth the corruption. So this is a scandal how. Palin is a reformer this confirms that veiw and will go along way with the fiscal conservative base. Boy are you grasping for crap now.


Danube of Thought - yours: "Has TM outsourced to a substitute host for the holiday weekend, or what?"

Perhaps the real TM has been kidnapped. How do we verify the imposter's identity? Does anyone have TM's cell phone number so we can make sure he's alive and well?

I remember having this sensation once before during Plamegate, around mid '05.


Good Morning to All!
Here's hoping all are safe.
I thought someone had suggested a boycott of Andrew Sullivan. I second the idea.
Instead of being a scandal, I see the Alaska lawsuit as being a real plus for Palin, based on what I have read here.


Hiya Pager,

The holiday continues. I stayed up late to watch Palin and McCain on CSpan. She's a better speaker than McCain, and had more substance in the first minute of her remarks than Obama spewed on the entire continent of Europe.


Let's give TM a break. If you spent your day at a picnic with overeducated lefty women and their husbands (probably the one I saw at starbucks with the mama for obama bumpersticker was there too) you would crack too. Give him a day to come to his senses.


Seems to me this is just the sort of "scandal" that will raise Palin's stock even further. Do small-town hick mayors sue pension consultants for billions of dollars on behalf of their employees? Obama hasn't ever been involved in protecting his employees' pensions, or suing anyone on behalf of people who work for him, or even whom he represents, has he? Anyway, this is just the sort of serious business the Dems would hesitate to associate with the Palin cutout they're trying to construct.

And Andrew Sullivan has always been an a**hole. Still is.


I am of the opinion that Tom posts what Tom thinks, not to get us to work up our opposition to what is going to come. And we, being minions of the VRWC ignore him and carry on as if he didn't say it. And that is the best thing about JOM. We can have different opinions than the host and he tolerates us. But I think it is insulting to Tom to treat his differing opinions as "tongue in cheek".



I can't even believe we are speculating about it.

Danube of Thought

Mornin', Jane.


Compare and contrast with Gerard Baker. LUN

My favorite part:

Political Biography

Obama: A classic, if unusually talented, greasy-pole climber. Held a succession of jobs that constitute the standard route to the top in his party's internal politics: "community organizer", law professor, state senator.

Palin:A woman with a wide range of interests in a well-variegated life. Held a succession of jobs - sports journalist, commercial fisherwoman, state oil and gas commissioner, before entering local politics. A resume that suggests something other than burning political ambition from the cradle but rather the sort of experience that enables her to understand the concerns of most Americans..


You're up early DOT. Good Morning back atcha!

Terry Gain

The only scandal here is the proprietor of this blog channelling Andrew Sullivan.

Andrew, who once penned the best humanitarian justification for the liberation of Iraq which I have seen, went off the deep end when Bush came out in favour of a Constitutional amendment on the definition of marriage.

So what's your problem Maguire?

Maguire, this is a great blog with the best commenters on the net so please check to see there's some water the next time you decide to divide into the deep end.

If Mercer was negligent, endorsing a lawsuit against the firm would be another feather in Palin's already crowded cap.

Terry Gain

"divide into the deep end"

Neat typo, if I do say so myself.


I think the scandal would have been "Palin doesn't go after shady firm, costs AK $1.8Bn" had she let this go.


Oh, this is great...Just so I'm up to speed on your "straw grasping"...you are claiming that this is a "scandal." A governor is taking proactive steps to recover money lost due to the incompetence/ misrepresentation of a consultant...She requested funds to pursue it and was denied such that the case would be taken on a contingency basis...

Here's a clue...check who hired the consultant...Check into why the whole issue was being studied in the first place (hint: it was a follow up on corruption that was uncovered by...you guessed it...our next VP). And finally, the case I'm afraid for you is something close to a slam dunk and our next VP was not interested in sharing the eventual civil reward with a blasted law firm in New York City...den of liberal inequity and entitlement.

This is absolutely hilarious...you guys have nothing...and you are sorely lacking in the imagination department such that the only attempts at discrediting this woman have been bizarre.


Maybe the legislature did not want to sue before because they are entagled with contributions from the management company.

Legislators have a huge influence on who is chosen as and remeains as pension consultants and managers.

That has been a problem here in Massachusetts.


No, http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/what-earrings-would-you-choose-for.html>this is a scandal. Via Hot Air, though the link he sends you to is snarking this link, I think.


Some are even worried they are being petty, but hey, how many soccer moms actually read their blog? Well, they are about to find out. By nightfall, every conservative blog in the internet will be reading their petty comments. ::grin::

Come on bloggers, link it, link it like its 1984.


So what's your problem Maguire?

I suspect some skeptics don't like to see an arms race over identity politics and are opposed in principle to implicitly fostering it.

I see it more as a demographic opportunity, no different than selecting a VP on the basis of winning a swing state. McCain is playing the card dealt by Hillary and Rush.


Hey, Sue, that American Princess link was good, too. Wonder which potential first lady she was referring to.




I don't want to register at Aravosis, but I would dearly like to pop in and tell them hello. ::grin::

Rick Ballard

It seems as if Governor Palin was elected, in part, because of her willingness to take on a Republican network of cronies who seem to be following in the footsteps of the Ohio fellows who came to a belief that if a little corruption was tolerable, perhaps more would be too.

Part of the rational for McCain's pick was to get his thumb wedged a little more firmly in Steven's eye. I don't consider that a bad thing at all. It makes an excellent contrast to Obama's taking the part of the piano player in the Illinois political whorehouse.

Mercer doesn't appear to have been stealing. Their folks just needed to catch the train to the 'burbs and didn't have time to actually, you know, do the work that they were being paid to do. It's not as if those yokels outside of Wall Street can actually count.

We're just fortunate that Mercer didn't have a team working with Bear Stearns or Lehman or Goldman. Otherwise Wall Street's general intelligence might be called into question.


Good Morning, Jane!
I'm not linking to it because I don' want any complaints about I brought such language to JOM, but the Noquarter site has a very short message for Andrew Sullivan. It won't be hard to find, it kind of stands out.

Jim Miller

I think Tom is mixing two things here. Republicans, including myself, can dislike trial lawyers as a group, without being opposed to contingency fees in general.

And, let me add immediately, we can dislike trial lawyers as a group, while still admiring some individual trial lawyers.

A small example: When I was investing in individual stocks, I sometimes found that I was a plaintiff in some class action suit, without my permission and, as far as I could tell, always against my interests. If the case was successful, we small stockholders got something laughable (and saw our investment damaged), while the lawyers who had brought the suit made out like bandits.

So one can think, as I do, that trial lawyers ought to be reined in -- and that they are absolutely necessary in some cases. And I think that if you were to poll Republicans, you would find that most agreed with both sentiments. And I think almost all Republicans accept contingency fees -- in some circumstances.

(As for the Alaska suit, I know nothing about it, and so have no opinion on that subject.)


Seems like there are some here who dont understand what actuaries do and why their work is important. But it has big consequences and they are paid very well for their work. If they make mistakes its potential a very big deal that could impact pensioners down the road, so I dont know why they should not be held to a standard that requires that calculations done should be checked and then independently checked. There is just no excuse for the errors as I understand them other than maybe carelessness. That is negligence in lawyer parlance, ordinary or gross to be determined and the penalty if any that should result is what courts do all the time.



While I agree with the sentiment behind his words, I can't help but laugh at the image of the Cowardly Lion he invokes. He has issued that challenge before and would most likely crap his drawers if anyone actually showed up.


Governors should be protective of the public's money. If contractors and consultants perform shoddy work, the Governor should hold them to account. If that includes lawsuits, so be it.

In what world is this a "scandal"? Certainly not in the world of small-government/low-tax conservatives. Perhaps it is a scandal in the world of Trent Lott/Duke Cunningham/Cong. Jerry Lewis/Ted Stevens.... but that is the Republican Party that Palin is dedicated to destroying... and well she should...

I have no idea what Tom is getting at here.


PAgar: I thought someone had suggested a boycott of Andrew Sullivan. I second the idea.

Nah. A boycott suggests he's worth the effort. Ignore him.

If you must vent on his ideas. Undermine his premises and his logic... and then laugh.


Well for once in his sorry existence Larry has dropped the tinfoil and the rest and actually took a stand on the moral high ground. Good for him. Its still LJ and he will be back to nutty stuff soon enough, but if LJ has this reaction you can bet more moderate Democrats will be viscerally appalled by the attacks. And then there are the independents.

And in other cheery news, RAS is reporting that his measurement of party ID has now dropped for August to a net plus of +5.7 to the Dems, down from the May high of +10.2. And of course this includes only a couple weeks of understanding by the voters on how Democrats want high gasoline prices and no impact at all of the Palin selection.

Even in 2004 it was +1.6% for the Dems on election day so while still fairly high, given this fluff candidate, the Republicans are moving into competitive range.


From his comments section, there are a whole lot of women who want a few minutes with Andrew first, and it doesn't sound like there will be much left for Larry. But some of the posters have some real good suggestions about what people who find the filth being put out by Obama supporters objectionable need to do to let politicians know just how damaging the filth is to the Obama campaign.
Letters to every editor in America, posts on every blog are just a few things that can be done to let everyone know this stuff has penalties and is going to cost them at the voting booths.


Jane, you beat me to that Gerard Baker piece, but not to MY favorite snatches:

Executive experience

Obama: Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of his campaign staff and a vast crowd of traveling journalists

Palin:Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of 500,000 people in her state, and that impact crucial issues of national economic interest such as the supply and cost of energy to the United States.


Drudge has a pic of Palin's very attractive legs.


According to Ha'aretz (via Hugh Hewitt):

Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden was quoted Monday as telling senior Israeli officials behind closed doors that the Jewish state will have to reconcile itself to a nuclear Iran.

In the unsourced report, Army Radio also quoted Biden as saying that he opposed "opening a additional military and diplomatic front."

Biden, chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has long been considered strongly pro-Israel. His nomination as Barack Obama's running mate had been expected to shore up the Democrats' strength with U.S. Jewish voters.

Army Radio said Israeli officials expressed "amazement" over the remarks attributed to him.

"Israel will have to reconcile itself with the nuclearization of Iran," Army Radio quoted Biden as telling the unnamed officials.

"It's doubtful if the economic sanctions will be effective, and I am against opening an additional military and diplomatic front."

This is a good example of what I've complained about in re US foreign policy. Why do we have to tip our hand at this point? If we decide that that's the end result we MAY have to reconcile ourselves to, the fact remains that the event is still down the road and many things may change in the next few years. By tipping our hand, Iran could be encouraged to take actions it has so far avoided. I don't know particulars. I'm just saying that, in principle, we should avoid tipping our hand like this. That said, it seems clear enough that the Israelis leaked this in order to pressure the Dems. Foolish on the Dems' part.


Terry Gain, 'Divide and conk her head'?


Apparently the Mark Foley fiasco was perceived as the achilles heel of the GOP. Now scaring social conservatives is the keen trick to win in politics. They're only pretending to believe this pregnancy carp to keep it in play long enough for the rumors to filter through the thick skulls of the family values herd and make them easy to spook.

Rick Ballard


Oil just went through $112 on light holiday volume. The Goldman boys must be in the Hamptons. Gustav appears to have an Obama complex - a tremendous amount of hot air dissipating quickly upon contact with resistance. I'm glad the folks on the Gulf Coast are being spared from experiencing a truly significant hurricane.

Has Don Fowler expressed any thoughts on the theological implications of Gustav this morning?


Pagar, I think that must be an imposter. The Larry that Sue and I know would have put that rant in ALLCAPS, and then banned Sullivan.


Right, Rick, it's beginning to look like a Godsend for the Republicans, particularly with Moore's and Fowler's comments in apposition.


Biden's a buffoon, anduril, and the sooner the polity understands it the better.


Don't miss Sarah Palin Rumors.


I cannot think of another pol that needs to hear his own voice.


He gives most self-respecting gas bags a bad name. Except for maybe Harry reid of course.


Not a bad article: Are Europeans Again Starting to Like Their American Cousin?. Even if Euros are troubled by some aspects of America, they still know we're all basically on the same side.


You know if oil drops when a hurricane is coming ashore on the gulf coast where most of our oil drilling platforms are, there may be no floor short of somewhere in the $80 to $100 a barrel range. That is a very very good thing, since $80 is probably rediculous if we would just exploit the known sources we have.

Hello $3 a gallon gasoline, and maybe just maybe folks can afford the heating oil this winter. Will voters exact a punishment on the Democrats for their craven desire to make us all pay more? One can only hope.


Here's another pic of Palin to crack you up. Of course, huffPo is in a snit.

How DARE she be part of a boob joke and WHY would her family release SUCH a disgusting picture. blah blah blah

I love Palin more every day.


oops LUN


"Piloting her own bush plane around Alaska "

We need a pic of SP confidently esconsed in the cockpit next to a pic of Obama timorously rolling gutter balls with his tie firmly in place... plus the quote of Michelle saying she makes BO pick up his underwear off the floor. What a wuss!



Chaco, I was compiling a bi-partisan list which included Dick Lugar and Chuck Hegel, but I see you are braced for a shooting war and you are on your home court. Nice try, though.


Ras has the same numbers as yesterday, Obama +3, 49-46 with leaners.

From the article:

Enthusiasm among Republicans for McCain is up significantly since the announcement of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. Fifty-one percent (51%) of GOP voters now have a Very Favorable opinion of McCain, the first time he has ever topped the 50% level in that measure. On Friday morning, just 43% were that enthusiastic about McCain.

Did I hear that right from Pagar that LJ is like the Cowardly Lion? God, I love those WOZ anologies. keep em coming

bio mom

First, as a biologist I find the scientific illiteracy of the lefties regarding this Palin slam incredible. Down Syndrome is associated with maternal age!! It is highly unlikely for a Down Syndrome baby to be born to a 16 year old!! Evil and dumb are these lefties.

Second, As a Delawarean I know Joe Biden. If I got asked that question about a heartbeat from the presidency, I would say Palin over Joe in a heartbeat.

bio mom

Also, it is pleasing to me that the argument about experience is being waged about the Republican vp candidate versus the D presidential candidate. And he looks like a little boy, especially next to his daddy Biden. McCain looks like Palin's father, but that is a more appropriate coupling than Obama/Biden. Also, Biden could pop an aneurysm since he has that history. Without warning like poor Congresswoman Tubbs. Skin cancer is controllable, as we see with McCain. Being 72 increases chances of death but so does cigarette smoking (Obama) and Biden's medical history.


bio mom: I teach Biology to freshmen. Every year I have to spend an entire lesson on undoing the damage Al Gore has done to the Scientific Method. Most of the kids were watching the big concert two summers ago he put I've never despised a politician so much when he said that "climate change" was settled science.

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