Die Another Day

The Wilson civil suit dies again on appeal.  Jammie Wearing Guy has thoughts; here is a previous obit from the first dismissal, with links to earlier pooh-poohing.

Comments

[clarice]

It's hard to believe with Prof Chemerinsky paddling the laboring oar that this didn't get farther, isn't it?

[kim]

Yeah, C, so much for his Supreme Court nomination.
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[kim]

D'ya suppose they'll be rending their clothes in the village square in Taos? Any more than they already have, I mean?
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[kim]

I'll want a ringside report; they'll eventually become a Roadside Attraction, you know.
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[Mike Huggins]

crickets

[Neo]

I hope they appeal further .. afterall her lawyer has got to pay bill too.

Whatever happened to the movie or TV movie .. whatever ?

[Neo]

Those 15 minutes must be running out about ...

[clarice]

I head for Taos tomorrow--please be wrong, Kim. I was sure they were in Santa Fe.

[Danube of Thought]

LUN for those who want to look at the opinion. I warn you, it's a long, hard slog.

[hit and run]

I head for Taos tomorrow

Love Taos. The Cottonwood Inn was an awesome little B&B for our 5 year anniversary...nearly a decade ago.

Yes, the Plames are in Santa Fe (I remember because the director of tourism or something there is named Tom Maguire...google it!)

[clarice]

I remember you noting that, Hit.
I love New Mexico. Every August my granddaughter and I get together out West and pretned to be cowgirls..well, not pretend really, we are cowgirls it's just that we feel able to give that side of ourselves free expression out there.Buffalo Gals really and that's our theme song.

[tina]

My daughter is heading back out to Jackson, WY for a week, she is going to be a fill-in wrangler at a dude ranch. She worked out there all last summer and had the time of her life. Getting paid to take kids on trail rides though the Grand Teton National Park was kind of her dream job.

[kim]

Whew, I'm not sure I like the mattress deliveryman for precedence, but it sure was nice to see Melanie Sloan laid out flat. Didn't she ventilate Foley's shirt?
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[hit and run]

Awesome, Tina!

She's living my dream too!

[clarice]

tina, It's my dream job, too.

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

This is something to celebrate. I think I will have martini tonight.

The first one in many weeks.

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

This is something to celebrate. I think I will have a martini. Cheers all.

Time for the defendants to file a Rule 11 motion?

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

I don't get typepad. I refreshed the darn thing five times and my first post didn't show up. Then I did the second one and got both.

Dang.

[clarice]

Jim, How could a lawsuit brought by Duke's star prof be frivolous?

[clarice]

Jim--that's happened to everyone of us.

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

Yeah, and he had Melanie on the brief, too. She wouldn't file anything frivolous would she? Also, Judge Rogers bought their act as well.

Oh, well.

[Captain Hate]

No wonder we got no heads-up on the Rooskies moving on Georgia; all the CIA quislings were stroking Rielle-Plame and that pony thing she's married to. If there's a more worthless agency in the gvt I really don't want to know about it.

[anduril]

I think I can't just post a link or it'll seem like spam: You heard it here first.

[narciso]

Took a gander at the disgruntled fmr. CIA memoir(is there any other kind) "Human Factor" by "Ismael Jones". He doesn't have much of a violin quartet for Plame, calls her a HQ flack, not one of these super secret NOCs. What I remember about NOC's from 'Mission Impossible' impossibly dense
subplots, is that the NOC list contained hard to indentify code names, not changing
the maiden name, in order to fool the KGB
and DGI and not a few Mukharabats along the way.

[MarkO]

If he's Duke's star prof, I've got to wonder what happened to Bill Van Alystne to make him leave. God forbid that the law school sinks to the level of the undergraduate program.
We'll always have coach K.

[clarice]

Yes, anduril--I can hardly wait until October.

[sbw]

Tina, almost 10 years ago we took our family to a dude ranch in Jackson Hole, WY, for a week after a conference.

I'd been around horses as a teen, but they had not. Even our then nine-year-old had the experience of a lifetime. Riding a ridge out there on horseback is a thrill!

[Lindak]

I have ridden since the age of five. Stopped for many years to raise children and two years ago bought a young, difficult "project" horse that I have turned into a nice hunter-jumper. He is very proud of his accomplishments and loves trail riding. I believe he is also a Republican.

[Danube of Thought]

Chermerinsky matriculated on to Duke from USC (the Trojans, not the Gamecocks). He has seemed to me to be in over his head at both places.

When they initially filed, I saw him on the tube actually claiming that it was a good lawsuit. I'd love to be doing some world-class gloating over at TalkLeft and at the Crazy One's site, but I'm banned unto eternity at both places. For good reason, no doubt.

What bliss it is to recall Plato Cacheris on the day of the filing, saying of Dick Cheney, "I'm gonna take his deposition!" You'll have to busy yourself elsewhere, Plato.

[hit and run]

Chemerinsky has moved on to become Dean at UC Irvine law school.

[bubarooni]

how odd. i didn't hear a word about this on npr this evening...

[bubarooni]

Captain Hate:

State Dept.?

[Sue]

For the 1st time in my life, I don't own a horse. My family still owns horses, which I have access to, and I can ride whenever I want, but I didn't replace my beloved Zane Grey when he died in 2007. He is buried under the oak tree by his favorite pond in our back pasture.

[Sue]

Apparently http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/08/daughter-rev-wr.html>hearing it first doesn't mean it is true.

[clarice]

I wrote a piece on Chemerinsky and the case--he had no idea what the case was about when he took it and his comments to the press were preposterous.

[Ann]

Sue, you are making me cry. I owned a 17 hands tall, Thoroughbred Quaterhorse. Oh, we had some good times. He would jump anything, if you let him, but was afraid of his shadow most of the time.

He won a blue ribbon one fine day in Dressage. I, of course, was not riding him that day. LOL

Did you ride Western or English? I am glad he is near you in a fine place you can visit. Good Memories, Yes!!!

[Topsecretk9]

What bliss it is to recall Plato Cacheris on the day of the filing, saying of Dick Cheney, "I'm gonna take his deposition!" You'll have to busy yourself elsewhere, Plato.

DoT

Not to be picky, but the lawyer was a big nobody in San Fran that Wilson's son went to work for...Joseph Cotchett

[Sue]

Western. I have never ridden English. Zane was voice trained. Never used a spur on him. Never pulled on his reins to stop. Came when I whistled. Lowered his head so I could climb aboard and slide down his neck.

[Sue]

Oops, posted before I finished. His mother was my barrel racing horse when I was a kid. Some horse jumped the fence and bred her. Zane is buried next to his mother. I don't want another one of my own. I ride my sister's horse when I feel like riding. She doesn't get as attached to hers as I did. She'd sell one in a heartbeat if you offered her enough.

[Captain Hate]

bubarooni: I said I didn't wanna know, dammit. But since you did, too close to call.

Since there's a horse/dood ranch subtext here: Around 15 years ago I took the fam to a nice place in Thompson Canyon that was called Sylvan Dale. Very good time, particularly a 5,000 ft climb to the top of a peak, on top of which we were looking down on eagles flying. Good horses too. It was Mrs Hate's favorite vacation; me not so much but I had fun.

[Ann]

Sue, I can feel your tears so I will quit asking questions. We are both lucky to have such great experiences. What does bad say: "We are blessed"!!! and I say "Don't Forget It". :)

Where is the thread for the games? Go USA!!!

[Sue]

There is something seriously wrong with the Chinese. They faked the footprints across the sky, they faked the 9 year old singing because the actual little girl who sang wasn't pretty enough (to them, to me she was adorable), their athletes look like robots. Just really weird.

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

Top:

Don't want to be contrary, but Joe is not quite a nobody. He has been a pretty decent class action lawyer over the years and was past president of the California Bar.

From 1970 to 1973, I handled a case against his firm and we had a pretty good result. But he went on to do somewhat better over the years. One of his partners, Susan Illston is now on the ND Cal bench, appointed by Clinton.

[Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet]

I don't think Joe could lay a glove on Cheney, despite his bragadocio, Top.

[Sue]

Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. Is anyone else watching the Olympics?

[BobS]

Hi, everyone! Sue,what I've found refreshing is how much the HS kids are drawn to the Olympics and how much they are rooting for the American athletes in all sports. I've grown cynical over the years, but really find their enthusiasm warming

[BobS]

In the football lockerroom the realy race the other night was all they could talk about. Two girls who made my sandwich at Subway tonight were the same way. Again, for a cynicle olf fool like me, it was kinda nice

[BobS]

Hey, did ya hear that Alabama football was losing fan base within the state because you cannot say GO BAMA without Obama in it.

[cathyf]

Totally OT, but I've got the definitive proof of global cooling -- we just got our first bat of fall. We've never had one quite this early before...

(Cat report -- they were totally useless this time. By the time we retrieved them from where they were locked up for the night in the kitchen, the bat had landed on the blind on the stair window and stayed put, and so the cats never figured out that it was there. My husband knocked the bat off and held him down with the broom while I whacked the top of the broom with a baseball bat. Or maybe we should call it a "bat bat" -- a duel-use weapon!)

[MayBee]

Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. Is anyone else watching the Olympics?

Yes, and I love you because I know that you said it that way (in part) for me.

[Lesley]

Ooooh. I missed a bat tale? Dang.

[Topsecretk9]

Posted by: Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet | August 12, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Both points are well taken. He's just not Plato category - which what I think Joe would like to be.

[JM Hanes]

You know, I think the speculators are right about underage Chinese gymnasts on the "women's" team. With only a couple of exceptions, there were no hips, no breasts and no butts among 'em. I was a high jumper, and between one year and the next I had to go from scissoring over the bar to rolling. The difference that body weight/height & center of gravity makes is huge.

[JM Hanes]

JammieWearingFool updated his post on the Plame dismissal with a link to the pricelesss reaction on the left. Think Progress says:

Plame’s lawyer, Melanie Sloan, is not sure what the next steps for the case will be, but is investigating another appeal. If an appeal doesn’t happen, however, the White House will be forced to start publicly commenting on its role in the Plame leak. For years, officials have been stonewalling, citing the various ongoing investigations.

They ask, "What will be the White House’s excuse once there are no more cases pending?" We could tell them, but it would probably kill them to hear it.

[Jane]

I still hope the President pardons Libby - altho I understand he has not asked to be pardoned.

[Sue]

Yes, and I love you because I know that you said it that way (in part) for me.

I did do it for you. I didn't want to spoil the agony of defeat. ::sigh:: They did good, but dagnabitt...

[Rick Ballard]

Captain Zero's "Free" ticket fiasco.

Hey - he told'em they were going to have to work. What did they think compulsory volunteerism meant?

C'mon - only six hours labor to hear the world's gratest gasbag deflate - worth every second.

[Danube of Thought]

Thanks, TSK9--this isn't the first time I've mixed up Cotchett and Cacheris. I encountered both of them at roughly the same time back in the early 80's and I guess the somewhat similar names throw me off. As someone pointed out, Joe is up in the Bay Area; Cacheris is in D.D.

I could be wrong (again), but I think it was Joe Cotchett who once had a poster made of himself standing in front of a Rolls Royce with some law-related vanity plate.

[Danube of Thought]

"...the White House will be forced to start publicly commenting on its role in the Plame leak."

Back when they were salivating about the prospect of taking discovery against Cheney et al., I laughed at them as dreamers. They have evidently learned nothing, and I'm still laughing.

[cathyf]

You know, I think the speculators are right about underage Chinese gymnasts on the "women's" team. With only a couple of exceptions, there were no hips, no breasts and no butts among 'em.

Well, to be completely fair, asians on average reach puberty a bit later. And, when you've got 1.2 billion people you've got an actual significant population of the statistical outliers. Every big high school has a few physical "late bloomers" -- when you've got enough high schools, then some of your late bloomers are going to have some athletic talent.

I'm not saying that they aren't lying, just that it's possible that they aren't. I mean, yeah, if this were Lichtenstein, it would be absurd, but this is a country with 1.2 billion people.

[anduril]

Some decent articles. Re Ivins and the anthrax case, Steve Sailer asks Why did Ivins recently call his counselor from 2000? and even offers an answer. He also includes a link to Science magazine's article on the genetic side of the FBI's case.

Re Georgia and Russia, there are a couple of articles that offer both long and short range views--although without that labeling. The fact is, Russia, for all its posturing, is still a basket case in many important, even crucial, respects, yet is still in a position to cause us and the rest of the civilized world an immense amount of trouble. At the same time, however, a weak Russia is a threat to the West also because it borders many of the most restive, dangerous and strategically important areas in the world. Nobody said life is simple, least of all in foreign policy.

Strutting Russia is heading for a fall

"Opinion is hardening against the Kremlin. For all its bluster, it is weak and vulnerable"

Welcome Back To the Great Game

[MayBee]

One thing about the Chinese team is newspaper reports in China had previously reported some of their ages, and they were younger. When they made the Olympic team, they suddenly got older.
What are you going to do? China is willing to give them documents proving their age.

These aren't girls that were going to Chinese high schools. These are girls that went into the government gymnastic system as young as 2. Gymnastics have been their whole lives. It is hard to know what a highly controlled diet might do to their bodies, although I'm certain some are simply younger than they are supposed to be.

[Danube of Thought]

I don't see how Russia can be heading for a fall, when we were instructed just the other day that we have lost the moral high ground. (God, I loved that one.)

[Jane]

If I recall correctly, puberty is often delayed for gymnasts. It has something to do with the rigors of the sport. I recall reading about it years ago, so take that for what that's worth. At any rate, I still think half of the Chinese team, at least, is under age 13.

[Sue]

One of the things that struck me the most was their star gymnast has been away from her family since she was 3, training. She sees them maybe 1x a year. She called and wanted to come home at some point and her family told her no.

Machines, as I said.

[Semanticleo]

'Die another day' could be the new Georgian thread, as Bush's exhalations display little more than halitosis.

Putin: "Pfeh"

'We don' nee' no steenking cease-fires'.

[MayBee]

What is interesting to me is how the Russian and Romanian programs have fallen behind now that they no longer have government-sponsored programs. It comes down to China, who does still have a government-funded sports machine, and countries like the US and Japan who have enough individual wealth that parents can pay for intense gymnastic programs.

[MayBee]

I did do it for you. I didn't want to spoil the agony of defeat. ::sigh:: They did good, but dagnabitt...

As soon as I saw her fall off the beam, I thought "shoot shoot shoot".

[Rick Ballard]

"Machines, as I said."

Slaves, serfs at best. I find NBC's coverage to be truly pathetic - perhaps they're shooting for a Duranty award?

They might at least speculate as to the silent protest exemplified by those empty seats.

[sbw]

Sadly, no Duranty for NBC. It's entertainment, not news.

[sbw]

... and even the fireworks were "fake but accurate."

[Danube of Thought]

Hard to tell whether Cleo wants Georgia to succumb, or Bush to invade. It would appear that either event would satisfy his BDS urge.

For everyone else: How would you like to have The Messiah in the White House right now?

[DrJ]

Hard to tell whether Cleo wants Georgia to succumb, or Bush to invade.

That decision has been made. The US is invading under the flag of "humanitarian aid."

[MarkO]

What's the over/under on the number of slaps before BHO hits the floor?

[Sue]

DoT,

I don't want the Messiah deciding where to place a stop sign on the local city council. I shudder to think about him in the WH.

[Porchlight]

OT,

A friend sent me this great blog post on closet conservatives in Marin County. I totally identified with this - others living in blue enclaves may as well.

Marin County's hidden conservatives

[Jane]

Porchlight,

That is really interesting. I deal with the same thing around here except I am much more vocal and also political than the typical democrat. Last Sunday at the gym I saw I woman who I just adore, but I only know her from the gym. She said "you don't still like that Bush do you?". Then she went on to complain about how government is so horrible. I asked her if she felt that way, why did she continue voting to make it bigger.

It stopped her in her tracks, but I don't think it changed anything.

[Captain Hate]

How would you like to have The Messiah in the White House right now?

I want him to be exactly where he is now whenever an important decision is to be made in the future.

[Danube of Thought]

A stepdaughter lives in Marin. You put any kind of GOP bumper sticker on your car and you'll get a key taken to your paint job within 24 hours.

[Porchlight]

Jane,

You are braver than I am. I work in an extremely left-leaning field and I am mostly in the closet at work. A couple of my closer friends at work know my political views, and are cool about it. Many others assume I hate Bush and conservatives just as they do, and would probably be shocked to learn otherwise.

With friends outside of work, I'm more open and it's not too problematic. I have a McCain sticker on my car - no vandalism yet. I wouldn't expect a McCain yard sign to last long, though.

What I identified with most in the article is that desire to go up and whisper "I'm one, too!" to someone who reveals publicly that they are a conservative. That need for a secret society where you can discuss views openly without censure. It's definitely socially isolating. I'm constantly trying to change the subject politely in a one-on-one conversation, or taking a smoke break when political topics come up at a party.

[JM Hanes]

cathyf:

"Every big high school has a few physical "late bloomers" -- when you've got enough high schools, then some of your late bloomers are going to have some athletic talent."

I actually assume the threshold is set at 16 in order to take late blooming into account. The number of girls who hit puberty after that age has got to be infinitesimally small, and of course, in assessing & training potentially competitive gymnasts, you wouldn't be able to seek out late bloomers in advance. I just find it almost impossible to believe that the Chinese simply lucked out with a team whose underage conformation is such an advantage. I would add that I'm not disparaging the quality of the performances they delivered. With another four years of training under their belts by the next Olympics, I don't doubt they would still make the platform. If I have a functioning memory at that point, it will be interesting to see if they same girls are, in fact, still representing China, or if they will have been replaced with a new set of impossibly lithe prodigies.

Porchlight:

If you're actually smoking on those smoke breaks, you belong to two endangered groups. Ironically, I find I enjoy parties so much more than I used to back when I didn't have to go outside to smoke. :)

[Porchlight]

JMH,

I pretty much only smoke at parties anymore, maybe five cigarettes a month at most. Ok, perhaps a few extra when I am hanging out with an especially Bush-bashing crowd. :)

[Mexican pissa 2.99]

Saakashvili wants money. Killing those people got him money. He will want more.

'mentally unbalanced and operationally insignificant. ' ABC. This describes Plame. She was already mentally unbalanced before impregnating herself. What's strange is she manged to get a gun and shoot at her torturers yelling abu akbar or whatever before being shot twice. Usually people are restrained or drugged before torture.

Plame case fails and there are murders in Afghanistan, not that any of those were operations officers in Iraq. A spy is bought to court after being shot. Dr. WMD is still out there and no one knows where she is after the Iraqi courts released her the day of the Plame 'Vanity Fair' shoot.