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August 25, 2008

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Elroy Jetson

Not sure another military guy is a good idea for the McCain camp. I like Coburn or Hutchinson.

JM Hanes

I was always sorry that Christine Todd Whitman basically abandonned politics. Not that I can blame her. If the Bush Administration hadn't so brutally and publicly thrown her under the conservative bus, she'd be in an extraordinary position to help the party today.

MayBee

I'm putting this here for lack of a better place to put it. But Firedoglake is reporting about a big party at the Dem Convention. The party seems to be for bloggers, and it's sponsored by the SEIU.

It just seems such an odd way for a union to spend it's money.

MayBee

The ridiculousness of the netroots. Here is the description of the party sponsored by the SEIU.

The party was packed last night -- with both labor leadership and a passle of A-list bloggers, activists and political movers and shakers. It didn't hurt that the margaritas on the rocks were pretty tasty, too.

No names, no discussions posted, no "insider scoops". Just a few posts below this, however, they attempt to blow the lid off another party hosted by AT&T and all the people trying not to be filmed going into the party.

It's really silly. But it still makes me suspicious, as everything does, about SEIU.

Charlie (Colorado)

"Just a mainstream Democrat..."

You know, I interviewed a mainstream Democrat just yesterday. He doesn't agree with you.

Roger

Nick,

We can assume that was your parole board?

hit and run

AnonLib:
This is highly toxic, highly reckless stuff. It's the kind of stuff that's going to inspire some nutjob to assassinate Obama.

[...]

Tom, lest you need any more proof that you're venturing into some pretty nutty territory, you need look no further than your own comment section!

Classy. Which JOM nutjob exactly are you concerned Tom is going to inspire to assassinate Obama?

M. Simon

I go for character assassination myself. It is cleaner and leaves no marks.

PeterUK

"Tony Soprano lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school," he said. "They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."
"I occasionally say "Hi Mr Soprano" if we pass each other picking up the kids".

For a man with political ambitions,Obama is remarkably incurious about people he networks with.
Odd that a member of the pantheon of leftists didn't make more of an impression on Obama.

BobS

Wow, TM. You sparked an all-niter. I would have loved to weigh in on this one. Admittedly I'm not as tuned in as keyed in as the experts-TM, Steve Diamond and Stanley Kurtz. But yesterday in The Corner, Kurtz gave fuel to my suspicion that ACORN benifitted from the Annenberg Funds.

The community activist groups that got money from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, like ACORN and the Developing Communities Project (part of the Gamaliel Foundation), were very radical indeed, and the personal views of Walter Annenberg don’t change that fact one iota.

Pagar

Good Morning to all!
BobS, Thanks for covering ACORN so I don't have to.
I can't get the link to post, but here is a site that sums up the current Democrat party and convention in one picture.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Not One American Flag!

Pagar

Well, now the picture doesn't appear on the link, but it's still a good site to visit.

The Ace

Do you people really believe that Obama is some sort of secret radical leftist?

Um, how else can you explain his 20 year association with an America and whitey hating "reverend"?

How else can you explain his relationship with Ayers?

You do realize you can't make any sort of factual rebuttal to this, right?

Want to take a guess as to why that is?

NotSean

AI, there's no point in arguing here. In the last election cycle, this site actually had useful information. But it has since deteriorated into a crackpot site where elderly conspiracy kooks imagine their fringe nonsense reflects anything about the America of today. Most of these people have one foot in the grave and they're sputtering with rage that the 21st century has made them all anachronisms. Let the grannies spend their golden years trying to mock and ridicule the future they won't get to control.

Jane

So, BO hangs with a crowd lost in its 60's fantasies, lost in a haze where their good intentions are enough to make up for their gawdawful performance, where it doesn't matter that they, almost directly (if you listen to several of the NVN generals post-war), caused the deaths of millions, because, after all, . . .

Bobby,

That sounds right to me. And it's important to remember how young and dumb we all were. If you have no world view, and someone tells you peace is better than war - well that's certainly not tough to believe. If you have grown up in freedom and don't know anything else, you can't imagine why we all can't just get along.

They meant well.

Sigh... Projection. YOU meant well so you believe THEY meant well.

You stopped short of declaring war, blowing up buildings, and (in Ayer's wife's case involved in) killing people.

Admit what you said was not thought out.


I think where we all stopped was before saying blowing up buildings was okay. (war was already going on and we opposed it, and the same with killing people.)

And of course it was not well thought out. If you don't know anything about anything, it's not possible to well-think things out. You go with what you feel and the sentiments around you.

Then you grow up, get some perspective and realize what an idiot you were. As for Ayers, he didn't have to grow up because there were no consequences for his actions.

kim

Note 'labor leadership', that's your teachers' money talkin' Ayer's shit, and a self-selected A-list blogger who can't spell the bushel vernacular worth a passel basket.
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Captain Hate

AI, there's no point in arguing here.

Yet you do it obsessively, NotSmart. What is the point of your existence?

PeterUK

"As late as 2001 Ayres was still saying that he only regrets he hadn't caused more havoc as a Weatherman and trampling on the flag.
Now, you tell me, AL. what sort of patriot willingly associates with a pig like that?"

Also,what kind of savvy politician treads in this kind of thing? It may be under the bus,but it's still on Obama's shoes.

PeterUK

"Do you people really believe that Obama is some sort of secret radical leftist?"

Not at all,there is nothing secret about the radical leftism of Obama.

Jane

Most of these people have one foot in the grave and they're sputtering with rage that the 21st century has made them all anachronisms. Let the grannies spend their golden years trying to mock and ridicule the future they won't get to control.

So what brings you here?

M. Simon

Obama:

"I sought out Marxist professors" - words he wrote himself in his bio.

M. Simon

Let the grannies spend their golden years trying to mock and ridicule the future they won't get to control.

Age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time sonny.

For those of you needing a warm up this morning here is my latest OODA loop bit.

In fact Google thinks I'm an "OODA loop" expert. Google it.

Joan

Re: So, BO hangs with a crowd lost in its 60's fantasies, lost in a haze where their good intentions are enough to make up for their gawdawful performance, where it doesn't matter that they, almost directly (if you listen to several of the NVN generals post-war), caused the deaths of millions, because, after all, . . .

Bobby,

That sounds right to me. And it's important to remember how young and dumb we all were. If you have no world view, and someone tells you peace is better than war - well that's certainly not tough to believe. If you have grown up in freedom and don't know anything else, you can't imagine why we all can't just get along. Jane.

(I don't know how to italicize or bold other's comments and apologize, but the following is my take on this Sixties youthful innocence.)

I couldn't disagree more. I was young and dumb and lived in a small town that you all would consider "nowhere" and only got to go to college one year and went to work to help support my family because my dad was off enjoying wine, women, and song, plus gambling, AND, I was smart enough when the Vietnam war started to know that the spread of communism meant poverty, slavery, and unimaged hell for those striving to be free. I didn't have the luxury of playing the Sixties radical beat. Any student or thinking person who had read about or watched the evil in WWII, the Korean conflict, and the spread of communism from North Vietnam should have been smarter, and knew that there are ideals and principles worth fighting for.

Yes, I get serious sometimes, but the cavalier toss-away ideals of the 60s youth are sometimes too much for me to swallow without a burp of indignation. And, I think people like Ayers and Dorn or however you spell that cow's name should be rotting in a prison somewhere.

Pofarmer

But it has since deteriorated into a crackpot site where elderly conspiracy kooks imagine their fringe nonsense reflects anything about the America of today.

37 is one foot in the grave??? Who knew?

Joan

M.Simon: Watched the 'Debra the Democrat' PUMA ad for McCain. It brought a smile to my face and got me back in a good mood, after being reminded of those innocent, idiot Sixties radicals -- which always brings to mind the video of John Kerry testifying to his lies before congress.

Thanks.

bad

Most of these people have one foot in the grave...

At least its my foot. You have prematurely cremated your brain.

davod

It is all about where Ayers and Obama spent the money.

I am surprised no one has printed up some before and after photos showing Obams pet organizing/state politician projects - no difference or worse.

Pagar

Remember it wasn't just Kerry and Ayers working against the US then either. Lots of other high level politician figures in this link were actively working for or asking for Soviet aid to held defeat America.

"One of the documents, a KGB report to bosses in the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee, revealed that "In 1978, American Sen. Edward Kennedy requested the assistance of the KGB to establish a relationship" between the Soviet apparatus and a firm owned by former Sen. John Tunney (D.-Calif.). KGB recommended that they be permitted to do this because Tunney's firm was already connected with a KGB agent in France named David Karr. This document was found by the knowledgeable Russian journalist Yevgenia Albats and published in Moscow's Izvestia in June 1992.

Another KGB report to their bosses revealed that on March 5, 1980, John Tunney met with the KGB in Moscow on behalf of Sen. Kennedy. Tunney expressed Kennedy's opinion that "nonsense about 'the Soviet military threat' and Soviet ambitions for military expansion in the Persian Gulf. . .was being fueled by [President Jimmy] Carter, [National Security Advisor Zbigniew] Brzezinski, the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.". . .

In May 1983, the KGB again reported to their bosses on a discussion in Moscow with former Sen. John Tunney. Kennedy had instructed Tunney, according to the KGB, to carry a message to Yuri Andropov, the General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party, expressing Kennedy's concern about the anti-Soviet activities of President Ronald Reagan. The KGB reported "in Kennedy's opinion the opposition to Reagan remains weak. Speeches of the President's opponents are not well-coordinated and not effective enough, and Reagan has the chance to use successful counterpropaganda." Kennedy offered to "undertake some additional steps to counter the militaristic, policy of Reagan and his campaign of psychological pressure on the American population." Kennedy asked for a meeting with Andropov for the purpose of "arming himself with the Soviet leader's explanations of arms control policy so he can use them later for more convincing speeches in the U.S." He also offered to help get Soviet views on the major U.S. networks and suggested inviting "Elton Rule, ABC chairman of the board, or observers Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters to Moscow."

LUN

Jane

Hot Air has a bunch of rich stuff this AM - about Acorn, McCain's new ad, Biden on Iran. Worth a gander if you haven't already been there.

Rick Ballard

Joan,

You were not alone in your understanding. Sara mentioned the other day that "no one thought abortion would cause 40 million to die". I mentioned that was untrue also. I've never felt that ignorance was a particularly valid excuse for taking a position on the basis of feeling rather than examination. It's a decent explanation but it does not excuse the ignorant from that tiny bit of responsibility of having espoused an opinion that aided and abetted killers.

Which is why I will never stop mentioning the fact that the Copperhead faction of the Democrat party, the faction which put Obama where he is today, bears partial responsible for thousands of Iraqi and American deaths. Not total responsibility, for they are cowards without the will to kill themselves, but partial responsibility for encouraging the scum who do possess the will to take action in the hope that the Copperhead faction will prevail and America will once again leave the field in defeat, having won victory.

You are correct, Joan, the consequences were forseeable then just as they are today.

Obama is the leader of that Copperhead faction, just as he is the best friend an abortionist could ever hope to have. But that's rather obvious from the fact that he's a progressive. Progressives are always bound much more tightly to death and destruction than they ever are to life.

Jim

Obama is not a radical leftist. He is a 22-year-old man who never had a father and never inherited an inner core of the right values by which a person makes a good life and contributes to a free society. Wayward, self-loathing, and always surrounded by radical leftists, he was never able to find his way on his own to the right values.

The radical leftist is a man who's inner core is envy and resentment. Obama has no such inner core, but only a hollow where a longing for a father and a half-baked jumble of liberal clap-trap has seeped in from his surroundings.

The 22-year-old is still the same man. Only the odometer has ticked over to 47. His heart wasn't sure enough and his mind wasn't keen and truth-loving enough to find his way our of the morass. A young man in Obama's situation has to find his own way out by 30 years of age. Otherwise, he'll probably never make it.

No, Obama is not a radical leftist. The leftist grew into hatred and resentment. Obama didn't really grow into anything.

Michelle's story is different, with the intact-family childhood. She sounds like she is about to cry over some old hurt when she gives a speech. Being dropped in over her head into Princeton for reasons that had nothing to do with her as a person caused her great anguish there. We do know that she continues to reap great benefits from a system willing to bestow them upon her for reasons that have nothing to do with who she is. Hence the anguish continues.

In a sense, the Obamas' story is the opposite of the American story. The American story has to do with being raised with self-love and self-reliance, finding one's own talents, relying on an inner core set of the right values (self-reliance, hard work, etc.) to locate a good role for oneself in society, and thriving in that role whilst helping others to find their own paths. The Obamas, whether from a lack of parenting, the bad luck of being in a socially dysfunctional milieu, or the personal tragedy of Affirmative Action, never had this American experience.

davod

Remember it wasn't just Kerry and Ayers working against the US then either. Lots of other high level politician figures in this link were actively working for or asking for Soviet aid to held defeat America."

I often wonder if this isn't the real reason the NSA stopped working on the Venona project.

davod

"Obama is not a radical leftist. He is a 22-year-old man who never had a father and never inherited an inner core of the right values by which a person makes a good life and contributes to a free society. Wayward, self-loathing, and always surrounded by radical leftists, he was never able to find his way on his own to the right values."

Please - Read his first book. He found his mentors in Communists and went looking for Marxists to be his teachers. Then again it' only words - his words.

The Ace

Hahahahaha!

No matter what help Barack Obama might get from Sen. Joseph Biden, his newly named vice presidential running mate won't give Obama much cover on the Tony Rezko front.

Biden has described himself as a 30-year friend of a key figure in the Rezko trial who's pleaded guilty to a federal extortion charge in Chicago and is awaiting sentencing.

When the Delaware senator began contemplating his own 2008 presidential run, he initially was helped by Chicago lawyer Joseph Cari Jr., who also served as Biden's Midwest field director in his failed 1988 bid for president.

In 2005, Cari admitted to taking part in an $850,000 kickback scheme that prosecutors say was part of a larger political fund-raising operation for Gov. Blagojevich overseen by Rezko, who was convicted in June of wide-ranging corruption involving state deals.

You really can't parody the left anymore.

The Ace

AI, there's no point in arguing here. In the last election cycle, this site actually had useful information. But it has since deteriorated into a crackpot site where elderly conspiracy kooks imagine their fringe nonsense reflects anything about the America of today.

Want to take a guess as to why there is no substance to your post?
Just one guess. Please.

Rick Ballard

Davod,

I interpreted Jim's remarks to indicate that Obama is a Slacker Leftist. He drank deeply from the Marxist well, as you note, then he grabbed his bong, took a few hits and had a nice nap. There is no evidence that he has ever, in any respect, dedicated himself to a task to the point where his performance would receive a mark of 'Excellent'.

The sop offered elsewhere concerning his acceptance by what few conservatives there were who had any impact on his selection as president of the law review indicate that they recognized a squib when they saw one.

He holds radical leftist views - he's just not going to work up a sweat over them. Or anything else that doesn't have "easy money for little effort" inscribed on it.

Jim

Davod, I know the story quite intimately. I've seen it played out dozens, perhaps hundreds, of times. Yes, amongst those who never make it out, the worst-off (possessed by hatred) of them do embrace leftism, while the rest merely stay lost.

Jim

What Rick said.

Danube of Thought

End of a 48-hour computer crash. Mornin', all.

The generally thoughtful AL had this to say:

"To put it simply, there is absolutely no evidence at all that Obama has ever held radical leftist views."

Since AL is a lawyer, he knows what "evidence" is, and on reflection I'm sure he will realize that his assertion is manifestly untrue. If the inquiry is, "has Obama ever held radical leftist views," then his characterizations of Wright and Pfleger as his spiritual advisors is unquestionably evidence. Obama may want to rebut it (in my view, he has not done so sufficiently), but it can't be denied that his own evaluation of these men is evidence of his views.

And so it is with Ayers. His choice of the Ayers residence as the place to kick off his political career certainly tells us something about his views--not necessarily that he shares those of Ayers, but certainly that he does not find Ayers's views repugnant, as do most Americans.

Danube of Thought

After Day One of the convention, Rasmussen has the race a flat-footed tie.

ben

"Most of these people have one foot in the grave and they're sputtering with rage that the 21st century has made them all anachronisms"

That's why Obama picked a fresh young face like Joe Biden for VP.

Gabriel Sutherland

Has the words "Chicago Annenberg Challenge" come out of the mouth of Barack Obama at least once from the period of 2003-2008?

Why aren't we hearing more about his executive leadership experience at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?

bad

Obama involving the Department of Justice in the Ayers ad is a hoot. Is he just stupid to draw attention to it, or is there more "there" there than previously realized?

Hot air has more Linked Under Name.

anduril

The Gap: The Marriage Gap rolls on

Sue

The next Ayers ad should be to question Obama about why CAC is not listed on his resume. No reporter is going to ask him so the ad needs to.

Sue

If AL is a lawyer, he knows you can convict on circumstantial evidence. And there is at least enough of that to convict Obama in the jury of public opinion.

bad

For sure.

Sue

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll>Negative Bounce

Sue

Obama knows it too or he wouldn't be trying to stop the ad.

Danno

AL,

Obama's problem is a) his association with Ayers went on for years. This wasn't a single cocktail party meeting or an occasional "hello" in passing to the bus stop, b) the ongoing relationship with Ayers resulted from similarities in political beliefs - massive wealth redistribution as radical and tax payer funded set-asides. You may not find these beliefs radical, but many independents and blue-collar democrats do.

bad

Drudge has a headline about Obama seeking to silence an ad tying him to '60s radical.

Oh boy!!! The word is getting out.

radical_moderate

Hey when are you guys going to do an expose on McCain's shady dealings with big time donor Donald Diamond? (Just to be "fair and balanced.")

clarice

Ras:
Negative O Bounce:
"The Democratic National Convention has begun and the poll numbers are bouncing, but not in the direction that most people anticipated.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while John McCain also earns 44%. When "leaners" are included, it’s still tied with Obama at 46% and McCain at 46%. Yesterday, with leaners, Obama had a three-point advantage over McCain (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day. Sign up for free daily e-mail update.

Obama is supported by 78% of Democrats while McCain gets the vote from 85% of Republicans. The GOP hopeful also has a slight advantage among unaffiliated voters.

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Tracking poll results are based upon nightly telephone survey interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. Today’s results are the first based entirely upon interviews conducted since Joe Biden was named to be Obama’s running mate.

Obama’s support has declined in each of the last three individual nights of polling. This may be either statistical noise or a reaction to the selection of Biden. If it’s the latter, it probably has less to do with Biden than Hillary Clinton. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Democratic women say Clinton should have been picked and 21% of them say they’ll vote for McCain.

McCain is viewed favorably by 57% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 53% (see trends). Clinton is viewed favorably by 47%.

Rasmussen Markets currently gives Obama a 61.0% chance of winning the White House.

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator currently shows Obama leading in states with 193 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 183 votes (see Quick Campaign Overview). When leaners are included, it’s Obama 264, McCain 247 (see 50-State Summary). Premium Members can review demographic crosstabs for all state and national polling. Time is running out for summer rates on Premium Memberships. Sign up now and save. Learn More.

The economic confidence of small business owners improved in August, but only 14% believe that the concerns of small businesses are being heard on the campaign trail this year. "

bad

RM

I have to wade through all of the Obama stuff first then I'll get right on it.

Porchlight

Wow, that's a pretty big one-day drop for Rasmussen - he had Obama at +3 for the two days preceding.

Danube of Thought

Obama from a home in Kansas City: "I'm here in St. Louis."

"Last week, Republican John McCain didn't know how many homes he owns.

"Tonight, Democrat Barack Obama didn't know what town he was in.

"In a live satellite speech tonight to the Democratic National Convention in Denver from a home in Kansas City, Obama said: 'I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis.'"


RichatUF

Sue-

I hope you are right. The story re: Ayers his Obama's failure in education policy and allowing the CAC to be looted to benefit of Ayers and his comrades.

bad-

I really am scratching my head about the Justice Dept complaint. Unless the Obama campaign is thinking that DOJ will take a pass and he then can run against the "politicization of the Justice Dept under the Bush/McCain regime". It doesn't get the substance of the ad off the table though, and I would think that the Justice Dept would just refer the matter to the FEC (compounding Obama's error since he made sure they don't have a quorum).

bad

I really am scratching my head about the Justice Dept complaint.

What was he thinking? I can't wait to see where this goes. Strategic error or desparate cover up? Whatever the case, a lot more people now know about Ayers and hopefully, the associated issues. Crazy troll traffic may skyrocket here.

hit and run

So Biden has ties to Rezko.

Let me state for the record that I have seen no direct evidence that would prove that Obama selected Biden as vp because he (Rezko) told him (Obama) that if he (Obama) didn't he (Rezko) would "sing like a canary"


But for the record, neither has Obama denied it.

Sue

Over at Politico, the progressive commenters believe Obama's response ad kicked McCain in the butt. McCain isn't playing against Kerry or Dukakis they say. There up against prime time. Yada yada yada. And the polls flop for Obama. Yep. I can see their point.

Sue

Oh carp. I hate there, they're and their. And any other word in the English language that is spelled 400 different ways but pronounced the same. How does anyone learn the English language?

Rick Ballard

Sue,

The shoes haven't stopped dropping wrt CAC. I went through the available 990 returns to try and answer Clarice's question about the total spent and have some questions myself. I'm hoping that Diamond puts up the other returns.

There were 45 entities to whom grants were made - I'm hoping that NRO/Kurtz have dedicated some resources to an examination of the grant recipients 990's to determine the extent of fraud involved in the "matching funds" flimflam.

M. Simon

I'm wondering if after this election the new CW will be "McCain Democrats". Wouldn't it be swell if he revived the old (scratch that) Reagan coalition?

RichatUF

radical_moderate-

From the archives and here too.

The ObamaJungen are slow. They've got nothing to respond to Obama's failures regarding the CAC and Ayers so they recycle some old talking points that have already been responed too.

Gabriel Sutherland

Kurtz is supposed to be in Chicago at the UIC library today with a finding aid.

M. Simon

Look for the Hidden Message

PeterUK

Obama's friend Ayers

Gabriel Sutherland
Wouldn't it be swell if he revived the old (scratch that) Reagan coalition?
Reagan couldn't do it alone. He needed help from the Teddy Kennedy's of the United States to alienate that base from "swing vote" to "lean Republican".
Appalled

AL:

The way Tom (and the commenters) have framed the issue of the Annenburg Challenge, it is hard to separate the accusations of "how dare you associate with this dirty bomb-throwin' commie" from a legitimate (and possibly important) inquiry on a group which Obama might have had some sort of executive capacity.

My curiosity here is, in an executive position, how did Obama act to advance his political goals? That seems a bit of a mystery, and since Obama does not seem to have promoted this period in his life very much (and now, mysterious donors have appeared to limit access to the files).

I think Tom believes that the Ayers association says something important about Obama. I confess that I don't see it. Obama is not a radical by personality or approach, though he is certainly well to my left. I also don't think associations don't really tell us much about him. Ayers appears to have been useful to Obama in his early career. But Obama, I think, would have associated with -- say Tom Maguire -- if that would have advanced him in his career. In his politics, he's a realist, not a Wilsonian neoconservative.

bad

I really am scratching my head about the Justice Dept complaint.

Fox had a clip of Obama's convention speech from 2004. He was much more impressive then. More energetic, more authentic, more real. The dude has changed since then and not for the better. If running for president is so arduous for him, how will he handle the stress of being president? He lacks the strength and stamina. Maybe he realizes his limitations and is throwing the election deliberately and will attribute the loss to "staffer errors."

kim

I like the parallels: John Kerry's Swiftboat Lies tied into pusillanimity in the face of necessary foreign adventure and Barack Obama's lies about Ayer's radical terrorism is tied into the failure of public education today. Kerry tossed inappropriate peace initiatives into negotitions with the enemy and Ayers still throws destructive bombs into curricular committee meetings. We needed to get over Kerry's attitude about foreign affairs, and we need to get over Obama's ideas about public education.
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TexEd

Your original posting makes a major mistake. You refer to the Annenberg Foundation as "failed" and a "flop." Maybe so, if the objective was truly to improve education in Chicago. But, if the objective of some of the players was to distribute a portion of Annenberg's wealth to some of their friends like Wright, Jesse Jackson Jr., Farakahn or any of Chicago's black radicals/thugs, then blowing through the cash in five years may have been a major success.

M. Simon

M.Simon: Watched the 'Debra the Democrat' PUMA ad for McCain. It brought a smile to my face and got me back in a good mood, after being reminded of those innocent, idiot Sixties radicals -- which always brings to mind the video of John Kerry testifying to his lies before congress.

Joan,

As always, honored to be of service.

kim

Just the sort of thing, TexEd, we're hoping Kurtz might find. I wish the Annenberg Trustees were as curious as their loot seems deep.
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M. Simon

kim,

The times they are a changin. I a room full of 500 politicos at the D convention a speaker said it was the teachers unions standing in the way of education reform.

It got a hearty round of applause.

When even the Ds know what is wrong it is over.

bad

...we need to get over Obama's ideas about public education.

I want to learn more about the school Ayers and Obama chose for their children. What is the educational philosophy, what is emphasized academically, what kind of standardized testing is used, what is the racial and economic mix, and who are the other prominent Chicago politicians with children in the same school? Does the school embrace Ayers radical agenda?

Ranger

I also don't think associations don't really tell us much about him. Ayers appears to have been useful to Obama in his early career.... In his politics, he's a realist, not a Wilsonian neoconservative.

Posted by: Appalled | August 26, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Which is to say that he is a man without any moral bearings what so ever. There are no lines or boundaries for Obama. And that causes you no concern?

kim

I'm tellin' ya, Simon, I thought energy was going to be the big issue this year, and it may yet with such an early fall, but education is coming out of nowhere and it's going to be the big one this fall. Oh, how Obama has miscalculated. He shoulda kept Wright and dumped Ayers. What a tyro, what a fng, what a hazardous twirp. Ooooh, Bagheera's steaming.
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Semanticleo

But, IF, IF, IF(emphasis mine) the objective of some of the players was to distribute a portion of Annenberg's wealth to some of their friends like Wright, Jesse Jackson Jr., Farakahn or any of Chicago's black radicals/thugs, then blowing through the cash in five years may have been a major success.

"IF" is the weasel word, or is it ferret phrase.

I gues 'O' isn't the only purveyor of 'Hopeyness'.

*AnnenNothingberger kefluffle*

It's similar to my wet dream of Bush and
Cheney doing a perpwalk.

bad

Darn, accidently posted.

I want to learn more about the school Ayers and Obama chose for their children. What is the educational philosophy, what is emphasized academically, what kind of standardized testing is used, what is the racial and economic mix, and who are the other prominent Chicago politicians with children in the same school? Does the school embrace Ayers radical agenda?

As the story of Ayers and Obama's association with CAC and the philosophy they are pushing on Chicago's public school education grows legs, the public's curiosity will grow as well.

RichatUF

bad-

Maybe he realizes his limitations and is throwing the election deliberately and will attribute the loss to "staffer errors."

I'm not so sure. If he really "didn't want to win" (ie running a good campaign to raise his national stature), he wouldn't have spent the money to organize the caucuses.

Part of the problem seems to be the way his campaign is being run-stylisticly it seems like the roll out campaigns for a 1990's internet company. He has a bloated staff that is spending money like it grows on trees(and his staffers are probably reaping a nice windfall profit) on races he wouldn't win (TV ads in Alaska or Montana is gratitious, or 29 offices in MO); they really don't seem to understand that Obama won't be able to do the type of campaigning he needs too and fundraise at the same time; and they have a bizarre arrogance about their own rightousness.

Sorry, the comment is a bit rushed and the similie needs some work. Once the media adulation is punctured and people take a look-he offers the same tired proposals that have been rejected everytime they have been offered. All he is doing is offering them with a slick $200 million ad campaign.

M. Simon

I think Tom believes that the Ayers association says something important about Obama. I confess that I don't see it.

And that is just the way we like it.

You stay clueless, Republicans win elections.

Deal?

M. Simon

I think Tom believes that the Ayers association says something important about Obama. I confess that I don't see it.

And that is just the way we like it.

You stay clueless, Republicans win elections.

Deal?

boris

"how dare you associate with this dirty bomb-throwin' commie"

If it were a close McCain associate who blew up a few abortion clinics (but didn't kill anyone) one suspects AL would have no problem understanding the sentiment.

It is actually the mocking which provides the tell. Very close to the old punchline "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?".

bad

I'm not so sure. If he really "didn't want to win" (ie running a good campaign to raise his national stature), he wouldn't have spent the money to organize the caucuses.

I meant the "not wanting to win" thing as a more recent manifestation. I must be nuts to imagine he is capable of noting his own limitations.

Your comment may have been rushed but was excellent anyway.

Danube of Thought

" But Obama, I think, would have associated with -- say Tom Maguire -- if that would have advanced him in his career."

Well, sure. But (as far as we know) Tom Maguire was never a terrorist. Ayers was. Some associations do, indeed, tell you a great deal about a person. Some people--Ayers, David Duke, Lyndon Larouche--have such vile episodes in their past that it is imperative to shun them. Others may not agree that they must be shunned, but it is a legitimate issue and it's clear that Obama has not been forthcoming about the relationship.

kim

Right, Rich, they really ought to do a 'Where's the Beef' ad.
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M. Simon

kim,

A little birdie told me that the Senate is going to make a big deal about energy.

Let me just say that I told the birdie some of my ideas and he liked them - not as a major theme, but as an important subtext.

Any bon mots re: energy will be passed to the birdie with attribution.

Semanticleo

I understand.

Compulsive flailing is painful and debilitating. Try discussing 2012 instead.

Semanticleo

"Tom Maguire was never a terrorist."

Well, I think he has friends and relatives who have had association with IRA terrorists.

And then, there's the Molly Maguires.

Semanticleo

But that was before he went to work for the Bank of England, so it's all forgotten now.

M. Simon

bad,

IIRC it was the U. Chicago Lab school. The school kids are the lab rats. For real. They test ed theories on them. My first girlfriend went there (hey I was 18 and slow - she was 22 and like to take advantage of the inexperienced - I got taken advantage of as often as possible). She wound up marrying a seminary student and becoming a ministers wife. Go figure. Broke my heart.

M. Simon

Ok leo, I know this is going to hurt but I've got to ask an expert. Who will the Ds run in 2012?

boris

Obama, I think, would have associated with -- say Tom Maguire -- if that would have advanced him in his career. In his politics, he's a realist

Given documented admission that he selected his associates carefully, the career path he clearly chose was one where a Maguire would only hurt, not help. You imply there was only one career path for Obama. False.

Whatever his internal politics the associates he chooses would determine administration policies. Very bad one it appears.

The problems Carter left the US with have less to do with any hidden leftism and more to do with disasterous misunderstanding of the world. That is what Obama's associates reveal about the risks of an Obama administration. Of course since you seem to find my understanding of the world appalling and AL probably considers the policies I support as war criminal, I don't expect agreement form either of you on this subject. The constant mocking arrogance, while occasionally amusing, does get tiresome.

td

"I'm sure if we went back through John McCain's past we can find that he knew some people that are pretty reactionary in their views."

Yeah, I heard he once hung out with a bunch of communists for several years during the '60s & '70s while living in some foreign hotel.

Semanticleo

2012 --Obama

MikeS

If Obama would just tell the truth about his association with Ayers, that would probably clear the air. Unless, of course, there was something illegal or unethical going on.

Sue

Leo,

And then, there's the Molly Maguires.

I know now the Ayers connection is worrisome for Obama supporters. Thanks.

lewp

Obama comes to Chicago as an outsider. Ayers, who got off for whatever reason, is then in a position of power in the Chicago political scene (deep family connections), and heavily involved in educational issues there, in particular. So Obama works with him.

I suppose it's political fair game to dig into the background of every figure in Chicago (and elsewhere) that Obama was involved with in any way to get things done and/or further his career, and play the fear and guilt-by-association game. But any but the most naive will see it for the weak stuff that it is.

Guys like Keating and Reed, to name two off the top of my head, are slime balls, albeit not former terrorists, but that didn't keep McCain from not only working with them, but also, in Keating's case at least, flying in his private planes to his palacial vacation homes, etc. In the case of Keating it led to an actual formal investigation of McCain's behavior. What happened here? Any investigations? Any hint of wrongdoing? Any evidence of anything untoward, other than the wild speculations of alot of wingnuts?

Keep thinking you've got a killer issue here. You don't.

clarice

bad, note that neither Ayres nor O sent their kids to public school.

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