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August 03, 2008

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Sara

Shows you how dumb I am, I didn't know kids could have bank accounts in their own name and thought they had to have a joint account with a parent or guardian as long as they were minors.

Hmmm.

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cathyf

I'm actually intrigued by the whole story where some contractors were caught snooping in Obama's passport files, and then it turned out that they worked for a major Obama supporter, and had also snooped McCain's and Clinton's.

I would be pretty interested in what his passport says... In his book, Obama describes taking his original somewhat battered birth certificate to get his passport. Imagine that he was adopted by Soetero in about 1966 through the Hawaiian family courts. Then from that date forward (including today), any birth certification issued by the state would show Soetero's name, etc. But suppose that his grandparents never destroyed his original birth certificate, and that's what he used at the DMV when he was 16 (in 1977), and when he got his passport, etc. As far as I know, even now when we have lots of sophisticated tools to prevent identity theft, if you show up with your 1961 birth certificate then no one would think to check and make sure that it hasn't been superceded by an adoption later. But I'm pretty sure that in the late 70's when I got my first passport and first driver's license we showed the original documents.

But, anyway, even if Obama were adopted, he was still the natural-born child of a US citizen (Duham) and a foreigner (Obama Sr removed and replaced with Soetero). So still eligible to be president.

Sara

I don't think it is about citizenship. It could be about using fraudulent/invalid documents to identify your person. And using those documents to obtain other government documents that would then also be considered fraudulent or invalid.

Seems awfully stupid not to "fix" the situation legally when you decide to get into the public arena. He could have asked for a legal name change thru the courts, or even filed for an a.k.a. as his pseudonym.

If he used the original birth certificate, he was using a certificate that in the eyes of the law no longer existed.

What I don't get, is why all the secrecy? Just explain the situation, that your desire to be your father's son as an adult was what you wanted and you took the easy route. Wouldn't change his eligibility, although I don't know about his electability.

M. Simon

cathyf,

The States have ballot access laws. That is where the problem probably lies.

Sara

Wow, just wow, this thing is getting ugly.

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: FEC Commission Requesting Obama Investigation

cathyf

Those of us of a certain age (and Obama is old enough) remember staying home to watch the mini-series "Roots" -- it was a huge sensation. And we remember that when Alex Haley was accused of plagiarizing sections of the book, it was obvious that at least the oldest parts of the book were fiction, not fact. (And not even fiction authored by Haley.)

I still think that somehow this goes back to the extreme lameness of lying in your autobiography. But I'm still having a hard time imagining how this would work -- I just can't imagine anything that couldn't be spun as "I believed the self-serving fictions invented by my mom and didn't realize until seeing some of these documents that what she told me wasn't true." Look, everybody in America has a relative who "edits" his/her self-history, and is probably deluding him/her self first of all. (Have I told you the story about when my grandmother was on the bus crossing the Sierras and the bus had to stop and wait for the yeti to go across the road?) Obama telling some sympathetic reporter in an interview about how this left him sad and newly sympathetic to his mom... Look, all of the adult-at-the-time players in this drama other than his grandmother are dead, and not there to give their version of the story. So it's just really hard for me to imagine any "there" that could be there that couldn't be spun into a form ultimately sympathetic to Obama.

Sara

My maternal grandmother was famous for never giving her age the same way twice on any given document. It wasn't until 55 years after her death, when I got hold of her original birth certificate and we found out that she was actually 7 years older than my grandfather and never wanted him to know it. She lied on her marriage license, on her first driver's license, and in many other incidents where she had to give her age, even her death certificate, obit and tombstone are wrong because those left behind to give the info never had it right.

And does Grandma, of middle America Kansas, even know the truth? It wouldn't have been easy socially to have a daughter as an unwed mother in 1961, it was still very taboo. Add in the mixed race issue, also taboo in 1961, and you've got the prescription for lots of elaborate stories and cover-ups.

cathyf

Yeah, Sara, but in his autobiography he talks about all of these things which were taboo in 1961, and I just can't imagine anything that is really any worse than what he already talks about freely. I keep coming back to the fact that a significant part of his schtick (and what Jesse Jackson was threatening to castrate him for) is that he complains about parents who are irresponsible towards their children. I just can't come up with any scenario with the COLB that doesn't just reinforce his message (other than him not being a native-born citizen, but I'm sorry I can't believe that even someone as monstrously narcissistic as Obama would put the country through that.)

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