Excitable Andy has decided to Swift Boat John McCain ["Swift Boat" as meant by the left; see UPDATE]:
I've now heard it countless times. McCain has used what appears to be an intensely personal moment in a prison camp as a reason to vote for him in a campaign ad. As he tells it today, it was the pivotal moment in his struggle to survive in the Hanoi Hilton. And yet, in his first thorough account of his time in captivity, in 1973, the story is absent. The story is also hauntingly like that recounted by Solzhenitsen, as told in Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross":
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I have one simple question: when was the first time that McCain told this story?
Uh huh. Because the sign of the cross is a pretty well-kept secret, so how could prison guards invoke it twice in one century? FWIW, the story appears in McCain's 1999 "Faith Of My Fathers", although I have no idea whether McCain told it earlier. Lexis mavens?
The Kossacks are on this search for the truth, so we know it will be kept classy. And speaking of classy, let's crack open the Time Vault and go all the way back to June 30 for a different perspective from a then Non-Excitable Andy:
This kind of personal attack was repulsive coming against Kerry from the far right. And it's repulsive the other way round. Both Kerry and McCain served their country honorably; and their records should be revered, period. You can make an argument against McCain's foreign policy experience and judgment on its merits. Do it and leave this crap out of it.
Well, that was almost two months ago. Evidently the bell has rung and now its time to bring the crap.
And since we are bringing crap, let me help. Andy links to McCain's first person account of his captivity as told to US News and World Report in May 1973. McCain came home on March 15, 1973, so he had already had two months to recover from the physical and mental trauma of his captivity, gather his thoughts, and present every important detail.
Let's see - McCain mentions the prisoner tap with this introduction:
While I was in the prison we called "The Plantation" in October, 1968, there was a room behind me. I heard some noise in there so I started tapping on the wall. Our call-up sign was the old "shave and a haircut," and then the other guy would come back with the two taps, "six bits."
Well, that is a bald faced lie - everyone knows it is "Shave and a haircut - two bits." What, was there a high incidence of inflation in Vietnam? Or had McCain even been in Vietnam? [Hmm, pushback in the comments here and from 2004].
And I have picked up another clear fabrication. In the context of the interrogation debate McCain has frequently told the story of his own presentation of false information under torture; his tale is that he gave up the names of the Green Bay Packer offensive line rather than his fellow aviators. Or maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers. But no such story appears in his 1973 account, back when he was still groggy from captivity. That pretty much proves the Packer/Steeler story is false, too. Right?
And people take McCain's Presidential qualifications seriously.
The context of Excitable's original question (and certainly the Kos conjecture) seems to be the suspicion that McCain has invented this story as a bone to throw to the religious right. Well, McCain is a crafty planner, because here is what he wrote in 1973:
I was finding that prayer helped. It wasn't a question of asking for superhuman strength or for God to strike the North Vietnamese dead. It was asking for moral and physical courage, for guidance and wisdom to do the right thing. I asked for comfort when I was in pain, and sometimes I received relief. I was sustained in many times of trial.
I bet he meant it, but maybe he is lying and never really prayed while in captivity. Or he prayed but never found any comfort in it. Any takers? Excitable?
If I may dare to play armchair psychologist - one point of the "cross in dirt" story is McCain's recognition of and reconciliation to the humanity of his often brutal captors. My guess is that in May of 1973 he had not fully worked through his issues with the North Vietnamese.
UPDATE: Good point by Sue in the comments and highlighted by Glenn - "Swift Boating" means different things to the right and left. As a proud Swiftboater myself (in the political, 2004 sense) I should be more vigilant about maintaining that distinction.
PROPS: Jane scores:
I say Andy and the kos kids should go for it. I love the smell of backlash in the morning.
Smells like hilarity.
INSPIRED, NO DOUBT, BY SOLZHENITSEN: Bill Clinton hits the beach at Omaha:
At the end of the day in Normandy, Bill Clinton walked down to the beach with three veterans of Omaha Beach -- Joe Dawson, Walter Ehlers and Robert Slaughter. The tableau was appealing: the young President enjoying the company of the aging heroes. But suddenly the President's aides began tugging the veterans away, mid-conversation, so that Clinton could walk off at sunset down the beach in his dress shoes and have a preplanned meditative moment, with the bluffs on one side and the sea dotted with warships on the other.
Originally, the White House told photographers they were considering a "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" moment, where Clinton and children would throw flowers into the sea.
But they settled on "a moment of solitude." The President knew he was supposed to look reflective for the three cameras and dozen photographers who joined him. But after looking soulfully out at the ocean for a moment, he seemed at a loss for what to do next, according to a photographer on the scene, who was scared that Clinton was about to mouth the words "What do I do now?" But then, spying the stones at his feet left by his advance staff to show him where his camera mark was, the President crouched down and began to arrange the stones into a cross. He gathered more stones to finish the cross, and then bent his head as though in silent prayer.
The White House aides were ecstatic. "Wasn't it great?" they asked reporters.
Hmm, maybe McCain was ripping off Clinton...
Dan Riehl has more. Turns out the sign of the cross is somewhat well known.
STICKING TOGETHER: Orson Swindle, a fellow POW who has been with the McCain campaign, vouches for McCain to Byron York, but I don't know - this old Swindle story makes me suspicious:
That's when he learned to lie, figuring he could give them just enough truth to make his lies believable. When the interrogators wanted Swindle to name the men in his squadron, he told them he couldn't think in such pain. They'd have to loosen the ropes to get anything out of him. When they started to loosen his bindings, he gave them the names of his high-school football coach and assistant coach, saying that was is squadron commander and executive officer.
When they loosened the ropes some more, he gave them the names of his entire high-school football team as his squadron's pilots. Swindle chuckled as he recalled a welcome-home gala several years later in his small south-Georgia hometown. "All those guys were in the audience," he said. "And I said, 'You better not ever go to North Vietnam, because they're looking for you.'"
Cmon, weren't any of these naval aviators baseball players or fans? That's a mighty big coincidence that McCain and Swindle both picked football teams to baffle their captors.
ANOTHER CROSS STORY: The Confederate Yankee recounts the cross story told by Sen. Denton.
these people are pitiful. christians have been identifying one another via the fish or the cross, for, oh... i don't know, about two thousand years now?
Posted by: amy | August 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM
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Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Sara, I can only find one of my Jom Poms.
Posted by: sbw | August 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM
M. Simon:
I'm surprised the leftys don't get nuance. I thought it was their speciality.
I've called it NHD (nuance hyperactivity disorder)
Posted by: hit and run | August 18, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Sue,
Instapundit linked your comment, again.
Posted by: Elliott | August 18, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Sue is famous! Sue is famous!
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Wasn't there some late 50s early 60s movie with Christians in Roman times that did the cross in the dirt bit? I'm thinking maybe "Barrabas."
I thought it was "Ben Hur", but it was a long time ago. I suspect that the motif goes back to the first martyrologies.
Posted by: Fat Man | August 18, 2008 at 02:29 PM
More JOM Cheerleading Routines:
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Jane, Jane, she's our man, if she can't do it Charlie (from Colorado) can,
Charlie, Charlie, he's our man, if he can't do it Maybee can,
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Posted by: Daddy | August 18, 2008 at 02:37 PM
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Posted by: Daddy | August 18, 2008 at 02:42 PM
I know the fish was used in "Quo Vadis?"
Posted by: Elliott | August 18, 2008 at 02:43 PM
"Now what can we do about Obama's ground game?"
"Indictments."
I think you might want to reflect on the casual use of that word, Simon.
Posted by: Semanticleo | August 18, 2008 at 02:43 PM
More JOM Cheerleading Routines:
Go back, go back troll, go back to the woods
Your team ain't got no logic
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Posted by: Daddy | August 18, 2008 at 02:48 PM
Elliott,
Sue,
Instapundit linked your comment, again.
And I was excited that Dear Leader noticed it.
Posted by: Sue | August 18, 2008 at 03:09 PM
I personally don't like the way these Republicans have hi-jacked this party and turned it into a party of War Monger, Wiretappers. They promote a police state with more prisons and cameras on every corner. The Republican led congress pissed all over our constitution. Thier platform of wiretapping, torture, domestic surveilence, is un American. How can you people not speak out on these isues.
I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind. I'm sick of thier lies and gutter politics. This year I will vote Democratic Party straight down the line. I hope they get wiped out nationwide. Then maybe they will start to listen to the people. Corporate sponsership and a corrupt media friendly to your agenda worked for a while but the game is losing its edge.
Posted by: John | August 18, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Don't worry, the Constitution is on some sort of oiled paper; piss rolls off, like the pusillanimous screeds of the propagandized.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Democrats have been in charge of Congress for the last 2 years. Ask yourself why nothing changed.
Posted by: Sue | August 18, 2008 at 03:17 PM
It would never occur to these trolls that maybe McCain didn't recount the incident back when it would get the guard killed.
Thanks to the Dems, the Vietcong were still in charge, the guards life was in danger if this was revealed.
Posted by: Patton | August 18, 2008 at 03:19 PM
John
How long were you a repub before your epiphany?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:23 PM
This year I will vote Democratic Party straight down the line. I hope they get wiped out nationwide.
Umm, they are more likely to be wiped out if you don't vote for them, but whatever...
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:29 PM
bad,
Long enough to type the word.
Posted by: Sue | August 18, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Hey Sue, congrats on the link to Insty!!
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:35 PM
The Democrats that want change are faced with obstruction from Repubs and Centrist Dems in the leadership. Both parties should have moved to impeach Bush. The Republicans should have shown a willingness to clean the corruption up. They don't even want to discuss the crimes of this president, and they are numerous. He is a war criminal. That is apparent no matter what party you belong to. We are all Americans and our constitution is our Freedom. Tell the President to quit destroying our Bill of Rights. Stand up for the Constitution instead of your Party. Republicans hate our constitution? I not then start helping the rest of us defend it.
Posted by: John | August 18, 2008 at 03:37 PM
They don't even want to discuss the crimes of this president, and they are numerous.
Is They a multiple personality?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:41 PM
That is apparent no matter what party you belong to.
Well, no, not really.
Posted by: Sue | August 18, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I not then start..
Barry?? Is that you?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Centrist dems are now being blamed, along with republicans, for democrats not changing laws that ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Which, when you think about it, goes along with Obama blaming McCain for making Obama a celebrity. ::grin::
Posted by: Sue | August 18, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Bless his heart...you go John.
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Sounds like John embraces the "Nanny State." Tell me John, will you be the first to let them control your thermostat from Central Party Headquarters, or maybe, to monitor how much you eat, drink, or drive?
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 03:50 PM
John is just the sort of citizen Ayre's wants produced like GingerBread Men.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Gag of the Day:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, calls Obama “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.
Excuse me while I go throw up.
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Padding the Resume, or Why Obama Makes Things Up
Conclusion:
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Let us not characterize the action of God in loosing the Pelosi on us.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 04:01 PM
OH, this is good. I'm sure they are not alluding to anything here...
Obama's latest fundraising memo:
It goes on to talk about women voters. Isn't that cute?
Posted by: MayBee | August 18, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Media Blog has the links on Obama's "change of mind issue" wrt Welfare. He has done commercials touting his welfare reform work in the Illinois Senate but told Warren he had changed his mind about this issue over the past 10 years. What the hell????
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Danube of Thought--on your post 8/17@10:48p--- There you go again, singing! Straight to my heart.
And glaster-Thanks for calling the trolls@ unacceptable crude remarks. You get back what you give and Harley must be scary unhappy.
Posted by: glenda waggoner | August 18, 2008 at 04:08 PM
oops
link under name to media blog at NRO
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Obama called the U.S. economy a disaster thanks to "John McCain's president, George W. Bush.."
Who is Obama's president?
LUN
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
Tell the President to quit destroying our Bill of Rights.
What rights have you lost, John?
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 18, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Re: The Cross in Vietnam. Confederate Yankee has this:
Jeremiah Denton Must be Lying, Too
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I sure hope McCain's campaign reads JOM.The ideas and research on subjects is fantastic.
They need to give bad, jane, and many others
jobs!
We already know O is sending trolls over here. Let's give them something to blog about!
Posted by: glenda waggoner | August 18, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Thanks Glenda.
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 04:37 PM
[OT] I just had a person call to complain about us running too many Obama ads. She wanted us to run more on McCain. I explained that people who pay for ads can have them promote anyone. She still objected. Not knowing what she was talking about, I had were point one out in the newspaper.
Oh, you mean an article, not an ad. She says "Ad? Article? What's the difference." A great deal, say I. No there isn't... "I've prescribed to the newspaper for 40 years..."
Well, you can't tell someone something they aren't prepared to hear. I'm a Democrat according to her, and she's not prepared to believe otherwise. She's canceled her "prescription" and promises to go up and down her street getting others to do the same.
She obviously doesn't read my editorials... ah... ads. [/OT]
Posted by: sbw | August 18, 2008 at 04:40 PM
*** were*** her
Posted by: sbw | August 18, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Is 1971 early enough for John McCain to have told his cross in the dirt story to satisfy the naysayers?
Fellow POW: I Remember McCain Telling the "Cross in the Dirt" Story
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:43 PM
"Shave and a haircut:six bits" or "Shave and a haircut:two bits"? is that what this election is devolving into? Sigh...
Google either phrase and you'll get tons of hits predating McCain's account. As it's been a *very* long time since haircuts were 25 cents it's likely that even if the jingle started as "two bits" inflation increased it to "six bits" early in McCain's lifetime.
As for the "sign of the cross" thing, entirely plausible. Even Nazi concentration camp guards were known to perform small acts of kindness when they could get away with it. Not all of them were souless monsters. The left is getting hysterically panicky, watching Obama's poll numbers plummet over the past month.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Byron has some pretty extensive comments on the bogus cheating charge.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | August 18, 2008 at 04:47 PM
I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind.
I'm not.
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 04:48 PM
I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind. I'm sick of thier lies and gutter politics.
Hi, uh, "John". Loved the 18 album, especially "We Are All Made of Stars"
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | August 18, 2008 at 04:49 PM
How stupid are they, you ask?
DNC Convention Credentials Feature Upside-Down Flag
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:57 PM
"We are made of stars" is one of my favorite videos of all time. But then, I think spacesuits are a turn on. At least http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/photogalleries/spacesuit->some of them.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:00 PM
What's the matter, GOoPers?
This wasn't in your playbook?
Get used to it.
There's a word I like to use that describes John Sidney McMakeShitUp:
Deceit.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:05 PM
joeyass
Specifics?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:06 PM
She's canceled her "prescription"
Not for the first time, sounds like. She should really stay on those.
Sara, sometimes I get the sense he's trying to throw the election.
Posted by: bgates | August 18, 2008 at 05:09 PM
This wasn't in your playbook?
Boy, progressives sure do hate lucidity.
Posted by: bgates | August 18, 2008 at 05:11 PM
How stupid are they, you ask?
DNC Convention Credentials Feature Upside-Down Flag
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Oh, you mean like this kin of stupid?
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:11 PM
..sometimes I get the sense he's trying to throw the election.
Were I in his shoes, I'd be praying for a loss.
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:11 PM
joeyass
yeah, yeah yeah, Bush sucks, blah, blah, blah, Rove, Haliburton...
Got a point about anything?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:16 PM
joeyass
Specifics?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:06 PM
You want' specifics? Glad you asked.
specifics?">Here's just one case that is very specific.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:16 PM
Sorry, here it is.
specifics.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I don't know if you are "kin" of stupid joeyess, but i'm pretty sure the democrats ticket flag design is purposeful. Isn't that great? Obama is showing us again how much respect he has for his country! It's superb. You must feel so happy about him.
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:18 PM
last time.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:19 PM
WOW it's hard to get more specific than that!
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:19 PM
joeyass
yeah, yeah yeah, Bush sucks, blah, blah, blah, Rove, Haliburton...
Got a point about anything?
Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:16 PM
Yep. But you were stupid enough to vote for that asshol, weren't you?
Twice.
I think that's a pretty sharp point.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:20 PM
How stupid are they, you ask?
"John Sidney McMakeShitUp"
Doesn't that win the prize?
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Kerry was "swiftboated", but Bush was "Fahrenheit 9/11ed". How come nobody ever mentions that??
Imagine if a nationally distributed major motion picture trashing Bill Clinton hit the theatres in the summer of '96. Liberals would burn down the theatres and the MSM would cheer them on. And do you think for a minute it would 've been shown at Cannes? With Keanu Reeves, Sean Lennon and Cameron Diaz giving their impressions of it on an episode of Access Hollywood?
Apparently the swiftboat vets were more believable than Michael Moore.
Posted by: The Fop | August 18, 2008 at 05:23 PM
I think that's a pretty sharp point.
Ugh! I feel wounded Joeyass. A sharp point indeed. That John Kerry and Al Gore look pretty good to you, huh?
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:24 PM
That could be because the Swiftboat vets told the truth.
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
I don't know if you are "kin" of stupid joeyess, but i'm pretty sure the democrats ticket flag design is purposeful. Isn't that great? Obama is showing us again how much respect he has for his country! It's superb. You must feel so happy about him.
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you. I know you folks need to be treated with kid gloves.
God knows, when John McCrustyScalp is questioned legitimately about his integrity, all he has to do is trot out the old Rudy Rhetorical Ruse:
Noun+Verb=POW
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
"Oh, you mean like this kin of stupid?"
"kind of stupid", you mean.
Bush didn't hold the flag upside down, nor did he submit a flyer to the printer with the flag displayed upside down. You koskiddies are really reaching. Again.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Well, it's been fun splashing water on you tykes in the shallow end of the pool. Now, everybody out. Adult swim!!
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Bush didn't hold the flag upside down, nor did he submit a flyer to the printer with the flag displayed upside down. You koskiddies are really reaching. Again.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
We're not the ones that are reaching, here. You kids are.
Remember?
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Idiots.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you.
They got the wrist restraints back on you, eh?
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Uh...joey: Entirely aside from the evident fact that you are the little kid here, this isn't your pool. You don't get to order people out. In fact, I rather suspect that shortly you'll be looking for a new IP address to spew into this forum from, because your current one will be banned.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you.
They got the wrist restraints back on you, eh?
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Whatdya know, Jane's got a sockpuppet!!
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM
joeyess demonstates how to drown in 2 inches of water.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Nothing like a little trolley to liven up a Monday afternoon.
But you were stupid enough to vote for that asshol, weren't you?
No I was smart enough not to vote for Gore the Dunce or Kerry the Coward and Smear Merchant.
GO BUSH!
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Uh...joey: Entirely aside from the evident fact that you are the little kid here, this isn't your pool. You don't get to order people out. In fact, I rather suspect that shortly you'll be looking for a new IP address to spew into this forum from, because your current one will be banned.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM
I can't wait for the display of your love of the first amendment. Should be interesting.
What's the matter? The Intertubes aren't quite the same echo chamber that Hannity and Limbaugh provide?
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Quick, Man, get your master to turn back the tide, it's getting deep around here.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:39 PM
I'm not the government and you're not assembling peacefully for redress of grievances.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Assume your rightful position in the struggle, joeyess, the prone one.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Omigod Orion, don't trample on his Constitution; there's enough splashing around as it is.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:42 PM
Jane's got a sockpuppet!!
Actually I have a room full of them. Perhaps you should call in the A team - or at least someone who can spell.
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Despite your hunger for substance, joeyess, that small brown object floating by your nose is not food.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:43 PM
This seems kind of dumb to me. I understand the outrage, but doesn't this give publicity to these cesspool blogs and defeat the whole purpose of getting them banned?
Via Hot Air:
Link
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 05:44 PM
Hey, joeyess, that two inches is from all the Republicans pissing on the Constitution. Didn't your mama tell you not to eat the yellow snow, or splash in the yellow puddles?
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Yo Mama loves Obama.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Well, Hell, it's slow at the other blogs. Steve and Andy both in Sicily, Ericing away.
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:48 PM
Speaking of McCombOver and his awesomeness of readiness because of his POWness:
I can't wait for you all to start swift-boating this guy.
It should be interesting.
Sad, but interesting.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Unlikely to produce any results, Sara: They're the people paying the bills over there. Remember the, "We paid for it, we own it!" KOS claim? It wasn't just an empty boast: them's Obamessiah's base.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Unlikely to produce any results, Sara: They're the people paying the bills over there. Remember the, "We paid for it, we own it!" KOS claim? It wasn't just an empty boast: them's Obamessiah's base.
Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Umm....... just so ya know.......... That was MoveOn that said that. Not Markos.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:51 PM
Whatever you do joeyass, don't try and talk substance here. You are not up to the job. Stick with the insults if you want success!
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Oooooh be careful JOMers. Joeyass is on a first name basis with the hallowed Kos!
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Later, when Denton returned to his cell, he began to tear up the propaganda booklet. He felt a lump in the book. He opened it. "Inside there was another cross, made infinitely better than the other one my buddy had made," Denton said.
Sara--That passage you linked truly made my eyes well with tears.
Glenda--Thanks and I'm sure that the McCain whiz kids are monitoring JOM.
Posted by: glasater | August 18, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Whatever you do joeyass, don't try and talk substance here. You are not up to the job. Stick with the insults if you want success!
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:52 PM
The post above about McCombOver was substance. And insults.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Hey, joeyess, that two inches is from all the Republicans pissing on the Constitution. Didn't your mama tell you not to eat the yellow snow, or splash in the yellow puddles?
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Yes they have and yes she did.
Posted by: joeyess | August 18, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Marc Ambinder explains what is flushing the joeys from mama's pouch.
I wonder what name will be picked to describe the blue collars who will carry McCain over the finish line? I liked 'Moral Majority' and 'Reagan Democrats'. I don't recall either Bush generating a new appellation.
McCain's Mavericks would be OK but there's probably a better descriptor out there.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | August 18, 2008 at 06:00 PM
At sea, an upside-down flag is the universal sign of distress!
Posted by: Caro | August 18, 2008 at 06:02 PM
joeyess:
Looking out over the internet I see little fleck of spittle on your monitor. Right over there in the corner, next to the World of Warcraft icon.
Better wipe that off or Mom's like totally gonna kill you and stuff.
Posted by: Soylent Red | August 18, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Whatdya know, Jane's got a sockpuppet!!
As I've said before no one would voluntarily put their hand in one of my socks, least of all a lady of Jane's refinement.
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 06:10 PM
Bush had "Security Moms" and "NASCAR Dads"
Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 06:13 PM