What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits

Excitable Andy has decided to Swift Boat John McCain ["Swift Boat" as meant by the left; see UPDATE]:

I've now heard it countless times. McCain has used what appears to be an intensely personal moment in a prison camp as a reason to vote for him in a campaign ad. As he tells it today, it was the pivotal moment in his struggle to survive in the Hanoi Hilton. And yet, in his first thorough account of his time in captivity, in 1973, the story is absent. The story is also hauntingly like that recounted by Solzhenitsen, as told in Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross":

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I have one simple question: when was the first time that McCain told this story?

Uh huh.  Because the sign of the cross is a pretty well-kept secret, so how could prison guards invoke it twice in one century?  FWIW, the story appears in McCain's 1999 "Faith Of My Fathers", although I have no idea whether McCain told it earlier.  Lexis mavens?

The Kossacks are on this search for the truth, so we know it will be kept classy.  And speaking of classy, let's crack open the Time Vault and go all the way back to June 30 for a different perspective from a then Non-Excitable Andy:

This kind of personal attack was repulsive coming against Kerry from the far right. And it's repulsive the other way round. Both Kerry and McCain served their country honorably; and their records should be revered, period. You can make an argument against McCain's foreign policy experience and judgment on its merits. Do it and leave this crap out of it.

Well, that was almost two months ago.  Evidently the bell has rung and now its time to bring the crap.

And since we are bringing crap, let me help.  Andy links to McCain's first person account of his captivity as told to US News and World Report in May 1973.  McCain came home on March 15, 1973, so he had already had two months to recover from the physical and mental trauma of his captivity, gather his thoughts, and present every important detail.

Let's see - McCain mentions the prisoner tap with this introduction:

While I was in the prison we called "The Plantation" in October, 1968, there was a room behind me. I heard some noise in there so I started tapping on the wall. Our call-up sign was the old "shave and a haircut," and then the other guy would come back with the two taps, "six bits."

Well, that is a bald faced lie - everyone knows it is "Shave and a haircut - two bits."  What, was there a high incidence of inflation in Vietnam?  Or had McCain even been in Vietnam?  [Hmm, pushback in the comments here and from 2004].

And I have picked up another clear fabrication.  In the context of the interrogation debate McCain has frequently told the story of his own presentation of false information under torture; his tale is that he gave up the names of the Green Bay Packer offensive line rather than his fellow aviators.  Or maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers.  But no such story appears in his 1973 account, back when he was still groggy from captivity.  That pretty much proves the Packer/Steeler story is false, too. Right?

And people take McCain's Presidential qualifications seriously.

The context of Excitable's original question (and certainly the Kos conjecture) seems to be the suspicion that McCain has invented this story as a bone to throw to the religious right.  Well, McCain is a crafty planner, because here is what he wrote in 1973:

I was finding that prayer helped. It wasn't a question of asking for superhuman strength or for God to strike the North Vietnamese dead. It was asking for moral and physical courage, for guidance and wisdom to do the right thing. I asked for comfort when I was in pain, and sometimes I received relief. I was sustained in many times of trial.

I bet he meant it, but maybe he is lying and never really prayed while in captivity.  Or he prayed but never found any comfort in it.  Any takers?  Excitable?

If I may dare to play armchair psychologist - one point of the "cross in dirt" story is McCain's recognition of and reconciliation to the humanity of his often brutal captors.  My guess is that in May of 1973 he had not fully worked through his issues with the North Vietnamese.

UPDATE:  Good point by Sue in the comments and highlighted by Glenn - "Swift Boating" means different things to the right and left.  As a proud Swiftboater myself (in the political, 2004 sense) I should be more vigilant about maintaining that distinction.

PROPS:  Jane scores:

I say Andy and the kos kids should go for it.  I love the smell of backlash in the morning.

Smells like hilarity.

INSPIRED, NO DOUBT, BY SOLZHENITSEN:  Bill Clinton hits the beach at Omaha:

At the end of the day in Normandy, Bill Clinton walked down to the beach with three veterans of Omaha Beach -- Joe Dawson, Walter Ehlers and Robert Slaughter. The tableau was appealing: the young President enjoying the company of the aging heroes. But suddenly the President's aides began tugging the veterans away, mid-conversation, so that Clinton could walk off at sunset down the beach in his dress shoes and have a preplanned meditative moment, with the bluffs on one side and the sea dotted with warships on the other.

Originally, the White House told photographers they were considering a "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" moment, where Clinton and children would throw flowers into the sea.

But they settled on "a moment of solitude." The President knew he was supposed to look reflective for the three cameras and dozen photographers who joined him. But after looking soulfully out at the ocean for a moment, he seemed at a loss for what to do next, according to a photographer on the scene, who was scared that Clinton was about to mouth the words "What do I do now?" But then, spying the stones at his feet left by his advance staff to show him where his camera mark was, the President crouched down and began to arrange the stones into a cross. He gathered more stones to finish the cross, and then bent his head as though in silent prayer.

The White House aides were ecstatic. "Wasn't it great?" they asked reporters.

Hmm, maybe McCain was ripping off Clinton...

Dan Riehl has more.  Turns out the sign of the cross is somewhat well known.

STICKING TOGETHER:  Orson Swindle, a fellow POW who has been with the McCain campaign, vouches for McCain to Byron York, but I don't know - this old Swindle story makes me suspicious:

That's when he learned to lie, figuring he could give them just enough truth to make his lies believable. When the interrogators wanted Swindle to name the men in his squadron, he told them he couldn't think in such pain. They'd have to loosen the ropes to get anything out of him. When they started to loosen his bindings, he gave them the names of his high-school football coach and assistant coach, saying that was is squadron commander and executive officer.

When they loosened the ropes some more, he gave them the names of his entire high-school football team as his squadron's pilots. Swindle chuckled as he recalled a welcome-home gala several years later in his small south-Georgia hometown. "All those guys were in the audience," he said. "And I said, 'You better not ever go to North Vietnam, because they're looking for you.'"

Cmon, weren't any of these naval aviators baseball players or fans?  That's a mighty big coincidence that McCain and Swindle both picked football teams to baffle their captors.

ANOTHER CROSS STORY:  The Confederate Yankee recounts the cross story told by Sen. Denton.

Comments

[amy]

these people are pitiful. christians have been identifying one another via the fish or the cross, for, oh... i don't know, about two thousand years now?

[Sara]

2 Bits
4 Bits
6 Bits
A Dollar
Everyone for JOM
Stand up and holler.

[sbw]

Sara, I can only find one of my Jom Poms.

[hit and run]

M. Simon:
I'm surprised the leftys don't get nuance. I thought it was their speciality.

I've called it NHD (nuance hyperactivity disorder)

[Elliott]

Sue,

Instapundit linked your comment, again.

[Jane]

Sue is famous! Sue is famous!

[Fat Man]

Wasn't there some late 50s early 60s movie with Christians in Roman times that did the cross in the dirt bit? I'm thinking maybe "Barrabas."

I thought it was "Ben Hur", but it was a long time ago. I suspect that the motif goes back to the first martyrologies.

[Daddy]

More JOM Cheerleading Routines:

Sara, Sara, she's our man, if she can't do it Bgates can,

Bgates, Bgates he's our man, if he can't do it Jane can,

Jane, Jane, she's our man, if she can't do it Charlie (from Colorado) can,

Charlie, Charlie, he's our man, if he can't do it Maybee can,

Maybee, Maybee, she's our man...etc

[Daddy]

More JOM Cheerleading Routines:

Give me a J
J
Give me an O
O
Give me an M
M
Whats that spell?
JOM!
Whats that spell?
JOM!!
Whats that spell?
JOM!!!

Woo Woo Woo

[Elliott]

I know the fish was used in "Quo Vadis?"

[Semanticleo]

"Now what can we do about Obama's ground game?"

"Indictments."

I think you might want to reflect on the casual use of that word, Simon.

[Daddy]

More JOM Cheerleading Routines:

Go back, go back troll, go back to the woods
Your team ain't got no logic
and your blog ain't no good

I say go back, go back troll, go back to the woods
Your team ain't got no logic
and your blog ain't no good...

[Sue]

Elliott,

Sue,

Instapundit linked your comment, again.

And I was excited that Dear Leader noticed it.

[John]

I personally don't like the way these Republicans have hi-jacked this party and turned it into a party of War Monger, Wiretappers. They promote a police state with more prisons and cameras on every corner. The Republican led congress pissed all over our constitution. Thier platform of wiretapping, torture, domestic surveilence, is un American. How can you people not speak out on these isues.
I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind. I'm sick of thier lies and gutter politics. This year I will vote Democratic Party straight down the line. I hope they get wiped out nationwide. Then maybe they will start to listen to the people. Corporate sponsership and a corrupt media friendly to your agenda worked for a while but the game is losing its edge.

[kim]

Don't worry, the Constitution is on some sort of oiled paper; piss rolls off, like the pusillanimous screeds of the propagandized.
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[Sue]

Democrats have been in charge of Congress for the last 2 years. Ask yourself why nothing changed.

[Patton]

It would never occur to these trolls that maybe McCain didn't recount the incident back when it would get the guard killed.
Thanks to the Dems, the Vietcong were still in charge, the guards life was in danger if this was revealed.

[bad]

John

How long were you a repub before your epiphany?

[bad]

This year I will vote Democratic Party straight down the line. I hope they get wiped out nationwide.

Umm, they are more likely to be wiped out if you don't vote for them, but whatever...

[Sue]

bad,

Long enough to type the word.

[bad]

Hey Sue, congrats on the link to Insty!!

[John]

The Democrats that want change are faced with obstruction from Repubs and Centrist Dems in the leadership. Both parties should have moved to impeach Bush. The Republicans should have shown a willingness to clean the corruption up. They don't even want to discuss the crimes of this president, and they are numerous. He is a war criminal. That is apparent no matter what party you belong to. We are all Americans and our constitution is our Freedom. Tell the President to quit destroying our Bill of Rights. Stand up for the Constitution instead of your Party. Republicans hate our constitution? I not then start helping the rest of us defend it.

[bad]

They don't even want to discuss the crimes of this president, and they are numerous.

Is They a multiple personality?

[Sue]

That is apparent no matter what party you belong to.

Well, no, not really.

[bad]

I not then start..

Barry?? Is that you?

[Sue]

Centrist dems are now being blamed, along with republicans, for democrats not changing laws that ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Which, when you think about it, goes along with Obama blaming McCain for making Obama a celebrity. ::grin::

[bad]

Bless his heart...you go John.

[Sara]

Sounds like John embraces the "Nanny State." Tell me John, will you be the first to let them control your thermostat from Central Party Headquarters, or maybe, to monitor how much you eat, drink, or drive?

[kim]

John is just the sort of citizen Ayre's wants produced like GingerBread Men.
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[Sara]

Gag of the Day:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, calls Obama “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.

Excuse me while I go throw up.

[Sara]

Padding the Resume, or Why Obama Makes Things Up

Conclusion:

No company would hire anyone with Obama’s empty track record, pattern of underachievement and padded résumé to be CEO. Is America really ready to hire him as President?

Excellent article.

[kim]

Let us not characterize the action of God in loosing the Pelosi on us.
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[MayBee]

OH, this is good. I'm sure they are not alluding to anything here...

Obama's latest fundraising memo:

TO: Interested Parties

FROM: Dana Singiser, Senior Advisor for the Women’s Vote

DATE: August 18, 2008

RE: Does McCain have a Woman Problem?

It goes on to talk about women voters. Isn't that cute?

[bad]

Media Blog has the links on Obama's "change of mind issue" wrt Welfare. He has done commercials touting his welfare reform work in the Illinois Senate but told Warren he had changed his mind about this issue over the past 10 years. What the hell????

[glenda waggoner]

Danube of Thought--on your post 8/17@10:48p--- There you go again, singing! Straight to my heart.
And glaster-Thanks for calling the trolls@ unacceptable crude remarks. You get back what you give and Harley must be scary unhappy.

[bad]

oops
link under name to media blog at NRO

[bad]

Obama called the U.S. economy a disaster thanks to "John McCain's president, George W. Bush.."

Who is Obama's president?

LUN

[Captain Hate]

Tell the President to quit destroying our Bill of Rights.

What rights have you lost, John?

[Sara]

Re: The Cross in Vietnam. Confederate Yankee has this:

Jeremiah Denton Must be Lying, Too

Denton was another U.S Navy pilot shot down in Vietnam, a contemporary of McCain's in the same brutal North Vietnamese prisons ... and also the beneficiary of surprising Christian compassion from the North Vietnamese:

Denton also found strength in his fellow captives. The Americans were forbidden to communicate with each other. But that didn't stop them. They communicated in Morse code and other number-based codes they devised and transmitted through blinks, coughs, sneezes, taps on the wall and even sweeps of a broom.

"I experienced what I couldn't imagine human nature was capable of," Denton said. "I witnessed what my comrades could rise to. Self-discipline, compassion, a realization there is a God."

He also experienced periodic compassion from the North Vietnamese. Sometimes the guards would weep as they tortured him.

One experience, he will never forget. Denton kept a cross, fashioned out of broom straws, hidden in a propaganda booklet in his cell. The cross was a gift from another prisoner. When a guard found the cross, he shredded it. Spat on it. Struck Denton in the face. Threw what was left of the cross on the floor and ground his heel into it.

"It was the only thing I owned," Denton said.

Later, when Denton returned to his cell, he began to tear up the propaganda booklet. He felt a lump in the book. He opened it. "Inside there was another cross, made infinitely better than the other one my buddy had made," Denton said.

When the guard tore up the cross, two Vietnamese workers saw what happened and fashioned him a new cross. "They could have been tortured for what they did," Denton said.

[glenda waggoner]

I sure hope McCain's campaign reads JOM.The ideas and research on subjects is fantastic.
They need to give bad, jane, and many others
jobs!
We already know O is sending trolls over here. Let's give them something to blog about!

[bad]

Thanks Glenda.

[sbw]

[OT] I just had a person call to complain about us running too many Obama ads. She wanted us to run more on McCain. I explained that people who pay for ads can have them promote anyone. She still objected. Not knowing what she was talking about, I had were point one out in the newspaper.

Oh, you mean an article, not an ad. She says "Ad? Article? What's the difference." A great deal, say I. No there isn't... "I've prescribed to the newspaper for 40 years..."

Well, you can't tell someone something they aren't prepared to hear. I'm a Democrat according to her, and she's not prepared to believe otherwise. She's canceled her "prescription" and promises to go up and down her street getting others to do the same.

She obviously doesn't read my editorials... ah... ads. [/OT]

[sbw]

*** were*** her

[Sara]

Is 1971 early enough for John McCain to have told his cross in the dirt story to satisfy the naysayers?

Fellow POW: I Remember McCain Telling the "Cross in the Dirt" Story

... So I called Orson Swindle, a fellow POW who is campaigning for McCain, to ask him about it.

"I recall John telling that story when we first got together in 1971, when were talking about every conceivable thing that had ever happened to us when we were in prison" Swindle told me a few minutes ago. "Most of us had been kept apart or in small groups. Then, in 1970, they moved us into the big cell. And when we all got to see each other and talk to each other directly, instead of tapping through walls, we had 24 hours a day, seven days a week to talk to each other, and we shared stories. I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories."

"I remember it from prison," Swindle continued. "There were several stories similar to that in which guards — a very few, I might add — showed compassion to the prisoners. It was rare, and I never met one, but some of the guys did."

[OrionCA]

"Shave and a haircut:six bits" or "Shave and a haircut:two bits"? is that what this election is devolving into? Sigh...

Google either phrase and you'll get tons of hits predating McCain's account. As it's been a *very* long time since haircuts were 25 cents it's likely that even if the jingle started as "two bits" inflation increased it to "six bits" early in McCain's lifetime.

As for the "sign of the cross" thing, entirely plausible. Even Nazi concentration camp guards were known to perform small acts of kindness when they could get away with it. Not all of them were souless monsters. The left is getting hysterically panicky, watching Obama's poll numbers plummet over the past month.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Byron has some pretty extensive comments on the bogus cheating charge.

[Barney Frank]

I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind.

I'm not.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I'm sorry but the Republican party has left me behind. I'm sick of thier lies and gutter politics.

Hi, uh, "John". Loved the 18 album, especially "We Are All Made of Stars"

[Sara]

How stupid are they, you ask?

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[OrionCA]

"We are made of stars" is one of my favorite videos of all time. But then, I think spacesuits are a turn on. At least http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/photogalleries/spacesuit->some of them.

[joeyess]

What's the matter, GOoPers?

This wasn't in your playbook?

Get used to it.

There's a word I like to use that describes John Sidney McMakeShitUp:

Deceit.

[bad]

joeyass

Specifics?

[bgates]

She's canceled her "prescription"
Not for the first time, sounds like. She should really stay on those.

Sara, sometimes I get the sense he's trying to throw the election.

[bgates]

This wasn't in your playbook?
Boy, progressives sure do hate lucidity.

[joeyess]

How stupid are they, you ask?

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Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2008 at 04:57 PM

Oh, you mean like this kin of stupid?

[bad]

..sometimes I get the sense he's trying to throw the election.

Were I in his shoes, I'd be praying for a loss.

[bad]

joeyass

yeah, yeah yeah, Bush sucks, blah, blah, blah, Rove, Haliburton...

Got a point about anything?

[joeyess]

joeyass

Specifics?

Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:06 PM

You want' specifics? Glad you asked.

specifics?">Here's just one case that is very specific.

[joeyess]

Sorry, here it is.

specifics.

[Jane]

I don't know if you are "kin" of stupid joeyess, but i'm pretty sure the democrats ticket flag design is purposeful. Isn't that great? Obama is showing us again how much respect he has for his country! It's superb. You must feel so happy about him.

[joeyess]

last time.

[Jane]

WOW it's hard to get more specific than that!

[joeyess]

joeyass

yeah, yeah yeah, Bush sucks, blah, blah, blah, Rove, Haliburton...

Got a point about anything?

Posted by: bad | August 18, 2008 at 05:16 PM

Yep. But you were stupid enough to vote for that asshol, weren't you?

Twice.

I think that's a pretty sharp point.

[Barney Frank]

How stupid are they, you ask?

"John Sidney McMakeShitUp"

Doesn't that win the prize?

[The Fop]

Kerry was "swiftboated", but Bush was "Fahrenheit 9/11ed". How come nobody ever mentions that??

Imagine if a nationally distributed major motion picture trashing Bill Clinton hit the theatres in the summer of '96. Liberals would burn down the theatres and the MSM would cheer them on. And do you think for a minute it would 've been shown at Cannes? With Keanu Reeves, Sean Lennon and Cameron Diaz giving their impressions of it on an episode of Access Hollywood?

Apparently the swiftboat vets were more believable than Michael Moore.

[Jane]

I think that's a pretty sharp point.

Ugh! I feel wounded Joeyass. A sharp point indeed. That John Kerry and Al Gore look pretty good to you, huh?

[Jane]

That could be because the Swiftboat vets told the truth.

[joeyess]

I don't know if you are "kin" of stupid joeyess, but i'm pretty sure the democrats ticket flag design is purposeful. Isn't that great? Obama is showing us again how much respect he has for his country! It's superb. You must feel so happy about him.

Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:18 PM

Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you. I know you folks need to be treated with kid gloves.

God knows, when John McCrustyScalp is questioned legitimately about his integrity, all he has to do is trot out the old Rudy Rhetorical Ruse:

Noun+Verb=POW

[OrionCA]

"Oh, you mean like this kin of stupid?"

"kind of stupid", you mean.

Bush didn't hold the flag upside down, nor did he submit a flyer to the printer with the flag displayed upside down. You koskiddies are really reaching. Again.

[joeyess]

Well, it's been fun splashing water on you tykes in the shallow end of the pool. Now, everybody out. Adult swim!!

[joeyess]

Bush didn't hold the flag upside down, nor did he submit a flyer to the printer with the flag displayed upside down. You koskiddies are really reaching. Again.

Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM

We're not the ones that are reaching, here. You kids are.

Remember?

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Idiots.

[Barney Frank]

Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you.

They got the wrist restraints back on you, eh?

[OrionCA]

Uh...joey: Entirely aside from the evident fact that you are the little kid here, this isn't your pool. You don't get to order people out. In fact, I rather suspect that shortly you'll be looking for a new IP address to spew into this forum from, because your current one will be banned.

[joeyess]

Sorry, Jane. I'll try to type a little more slowly for you.

They got the wrist restraints back on you, eh?
Posted by: Barney Frank | August 18, 2008 at 05:30 PM

Whatdya know, Jane's got a sockpuppet!!

[kim]

joeyess demonstates how to drown in 2 inches of water.
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[Sara]

Nothing like a little trolley to liven up a Monday afternoon.

But you were stupid enough to vote for that asshol, weren't you?

No I was smart enough not to vote for Gore the Dunce or Kerry the Coward and Smear Merchant.

GO BUSH!

[joeyess]

Uh...joey: Entirely aside from the evident fact that you are the little kid here, this isn't your pool. You don't get to order people out. In fact, I rather suspect that shortly you'll be looking for a new IP address to spew into this forum from, because your current one will be banned.

Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM

I can't wait for the display of your love of the first amendment. Should be interesting.

What's the matter? The Intertubes aren't quite the same echo chamber that Hannity and Limbaugh provide?

[kim]

Quick, Man, get your master to turn back the tide, it's getting deep around here.
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[OrionCA]

I'm not the government and you're not assembling peacefully for redress of grievances.

[kim]

Assume your rightful position in the struggle, joeyess, the prone one.
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[kim]

Omigod Orion, don't trample on his Constitution; there's enough splashing around as it is.
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[Jane]

Jane's got a sockpuppet!!

Actually I have a room full of them. Perhaps you should call in the A team - or at least someone who can spell.

[kim]

Despite your hunger for substance, joeyess, that small brown object floating by your nose is not food.
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[Sara]

This seems kind of dumb to me. I understand the outrage, but doesn't this give publicity to these cesspool blogs and defeat the whole purpose of getting them banned?

Via Hot Air:

Bill Donohue and the Catholic League have protested the choice of bloggers at the Democratic convention in Denver. Despite the list of bloggers having been public for almost three months, Donohue has suddenly discovered that Democratic bloggers have some explicit hostility to the Catholic Church, or are just extremists. Donohue wants the DNCC to disinvite them with a week to go before the start of the party in Denver:

“The list of credentialed blogs include radical sites like The Daily Kos. Worse are blogs that feature anti-Catholic and obscene material. The two most offensive are Bitch Ph.D. and Towleroad.

“On the home page of Bitch Ph.D. there is a picture of two children: one of them is shown flashing his middle finger. Today’s lead post, which was written August 17, is called ‘Jesus Christ.’ It begins with, ‘I’m a really crappy Catholic who hasn’t been to mass in ages because most parishes around here ‘will’ insist on being aggressively anti-abortion….’ The writer then objects to some children’s toys on the grounds that they are more offensive than desecrating the Eucharist. The toys are actually balloons that have been made to depict Jesus in various poses, including a crucified Christ; one of these images shows Jesus with a penis. Several who commented on this image made patently obscene comments.

“Towleroad describes itself as ‘A Site with Homosexual Tendencies.’ Accordingly, it shows men in jock straps and underwear. It also has a post on Pope Benedict XVI that takes him to task for wearing a cape with ermine. Some of those who commented on this described the pope in a vile and profane way.

“Both of these blogs should be cut immediately from the list of credentialed sites. Neither functions as a responsible media outlet and both offend Catholics, as well as others. To allow them access to the Democratic National Convention sends a message to Catholics they will not forget. We look for Leah Daughtry, CEO of the Convention, to nix them ASAP.”

Link

[kim]

Hey, joeyess, that two inches is from all the Republicans pissing on the Constitution. Didn't your mama tell you not to eat the yellow snow, or splash in the yellow puddles?
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[kim]

Yo Mama loves Obama.
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[kim]

Well, Hell, it's slow at the other blogs. Steve and Andy both in Sicily, Ericing away.
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[joeyess]

Speaking of McCombOver and his awesomeness of readiness because of his POWness:

I can't wait for you all to start swift-boating this guy.

It should be interesting.

Sad, but interesting.

[OrionCA]

Unlikely to produce any results, Sara: They're the people paying the bills over there. Remember the, "We paid for it, we own it!" KOS claim? It wasn't just an empty boast: them's Obamessiah's base.

[joeyess]

Unlikely to produce any results, Sara: They're the people paying the bills over there. Remember the, "We paid for it, we own it!" KOS claim? It wasn't just an empty boast: them's Obamessiah's base.

Posted by: OrionCA | August 18, 2008 at 05:49 PM

Umm....... just so ya know.......... That was MoveOn that said that. Not Markos.

[Jane]

Whatever you do joeyass, don't try and talk substance here. You are not up to the job. Stick with the insults if you want success!

[Jane]

Oooooh be careful JOMers. Joeyass is on a first name basis with the hallowed Kos!

[glasater]

Later, when Denton returned to his cell, he began to tear up the propaganda booklet. He felt a lump in the book. He opened it. "Inside there was another cross, made infinitely better than the other one my buddy had made," Denton said.

Sara--That passage you linked truly made my eyes well with tears.

Glenda--Thanks and I'm sure that the McCain whiz kids are monitoring JOM.

[joeyess]

Whatever you do joeyass, don't try and talk substance here. You are not up to the job. Stick with the insults if you want success!

Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008 at 05:52 PM

The post above about McCombOver was substance. And insults.

[joeyess]

Hey, joeyess, that two inches is from all the Republicans pissing on the Constitution. Didn't your mama tell you not to eat the yellow snow, or splash in the yellow puddles?
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Posted by: kim | August 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM

I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Yes they have and yes she did.

[Rick Ballard]

Marc Ambinder explains what is flushing the joeys from mama's pouch.

I wonder what name will be picked to describe the blue collars who will carry McCain over the finish line? I liked 'Moral Majority' and 'Reagan Democrats'. I don't recall either Bush generating a new appellation.

McCain's Mavericks would be OK but there's probably a better descriptor out there.

[Caro]

At sea, an upside-down flag is the universal sign of distress!

[Soylent Red]

joeyess:

Looking out over the internet I see little fleck of spittle on your monitor. Right over there in the corner, next to the World of Warcraft icon.

Better wipe that off or Mom's like totally gonna kill you and stuff.

[Barney Frank]

Whatdya know, Jane's got a sockpuppet!!

As I've said before no one would voluntarily put their hand in one of my socks, least of all a lady of Jane's refinement.

[Sara]

Bush had "Security Moms" and "NASCAR Dads"