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September 08, 2008

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Rick Ballard

"about his relationship with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers."

I'd add "and the indigent commie, Mike Klonsky, whom Obama and Ayers enriched with Annenberg money". If you make the change, remember to accurately describe Klonsky. He's the Maoist communist who supported the violent overthrow of the United States government but has never (as far as we know) personally committed any violent acts, whereas Ayers, who appears to have been closer to Obama, did act upon his desire to violently overthrow the government of the United States by designing bombs. One such bomb detonated prematurely and took the lives of a few of his associates but, unfortunately, Ayers was not present at the time.

sbw

Hah! Ayers even failed as a bomb-maker.

M. Simon

This is totally OT:

Just read at No quarter that 45% of Hillary voters are going for MP.

Any one know if that is true? That would make it about 8 million. Huge. Say the electorate is 120 mill divided 50 - 50 that 8 mil puts MP at 68 mil an ∅B at 52 mil.

Crushing.

sbw

Not only is it OT, considering the source, it is unreliable.

liontooth

prior to the release of CAC records to the public late last month and offered Rolling an opportunity to recommend to the University which records of the CAC held at the University's Chicago campus (UIC) should be restricted from public access.

So records given to a publicly funded library can be restricted? Do these morons at the UIC not get the function of a public library? Oh, I'm sorry we're talking about Chicago!

M. Simon

Say it is only 30% - 5 mil.

that is 65 mil vs 55 mil.

bgates

Rick, thanks for that prompt, accurate summary. It occurred to me while talking to my dad last night that he had been drafted after he graduated in 1969. He was stationed in upstate New York, but he could just as well have been sent to Fort Dix, the intended target of Obama associate Bill Ayers' violent terrorist group.
Thanks to the continuing efforts of people like B. Joseph White, my mom will likely vote for Obama anyway.

clarice

Porchlight picked this up and posted it on another thread:

ABC-WaPo Poll: McCain 49, Obama 47

And here's the kicker:

White women have moved from 50-42 percent in Obama’s favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift in the margin that’s one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences. The other, also to McCain’s advantage, is in the battleground Midwest, where he’s moved from a 19-point deficit to a 7-point edge.

Barney Frank

It occurred to me while talking to my dad last night that he had been drafted after he graduated in 1969.

Should have weezed a little more during his physical.

DebinNC

I bet Palin's voice resonated with those Midwestern women.

M. Simon

clarice - that would tend to confirm an 8 million shift that I estimated.

Early days yet. And we haven't used our best ammunition on them.

Charlie (Colorado)

You know, I was in ROTC when they were blowing up ROTC buildings.

Charlie (Colorado)

BTW, my Fox video is up on their site.

Sue

Good job, Charlie.

hrtshpdbox

Clarice, the shift in those numbers in just breathtaking.

Meanwhile, A Bore Is Starred - Streisand to sing for Obama at an LA event.

Meanwhile 2, can't wait to see Washington state put into play; should take just a day or two now.

clarice

I just read it's even close there,hrshpdbpx

Mustang0302

Meanwhile, A Bore Is Starred - Streisand to sing for Obama at an LA event.

That's it...the fat lady's getting ready to sing.

clarice

I suspect that the large no of voters who told Ras that they were uncomfortable with O in the WH even in battleground states where he is (slightly) ahead is a hint of the Bradley effect.

It looks like Ohio is McCain's--that makes it very hard for O to win I think.

M. Simon

It will be easier to make the case for earmark rolling between ∅ and Biden, than CAC.

CAC = MEGO.

Rick Ballard

WA is a quiet sleeper at the moment. I like Sound Politics for its perspective and the linked piece highlights the fact that Rossi is running strong. There's also a big tie between Alaska and Washington with numerous Alaskans "wintering" there.

Vote thievery in King County is the only reason that Gregoire is the governor today and the additional Republican turnout generated by aversion to that stinking mess may carry Rossi and McCain/Palin accross the line.

I'm really looking forward to the next round of state polling.

Sue

I think Obama's numbers have to be above 5 for him to have a lead. That was the rule in the primaries. Why would it have changed now? People are lying to pollsters now as they did then, IMO.

Sue

Rick,

Are you watching the Senate and House races? Are these numbers McCain/Palin are getting being reflected down ticket?

JM Hanes

Mustang:

"That's it...the fat lady's getting ready to sing."

RØTFLMAØ! That's every kind ø' funny!

Rick Ballard

"Are you watching the Senate and House races?"

Not too much. Charlie Cook has a very good record in calling down ticket races. He leans marginally Dem but it doesn't cloud his assessments. I've never considered the outlook to be as dire as some have projected and I believe that the Palin pick may help in some of the marginal House races and maybe in the Colorado Senate race.

I'm not bothering with hard looks until the first week of October. Do you think the shift of women in the Muddle to McCain/Palin will carry through down ticket? That's the kicker.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

OBAMA SUPPORTERS Are Behind Palin Sambo Smear!

tina

And then there is this little diddy posted on Drudge:

NYT TUESDAY: FAR FROM CERTAIN OBAMA WILL MEET AMBITIOUS FUNDRAISING TARGET... DEVELOPING....

Sue

Rick,

I have no idea. I have been a little queasy at how well it has gone since her roll out. But today, I watched her over at Hot Air taking questions from callers on C-Span back in February, I believe. She did very well. I am less queasy.

Sue

Tina,

I knew it. When I read the article about Barbara Streisand, I knew it. She is doing her little fund raiser on the fly, quickly. He needs the money.

Sue

I have broken my boycott and I am watching O'Reilly/Obama. O'Reilly is letting Obama spin, but I don't think it is letting him. I don't think O'Reilly is smart enough to counter the arguments.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via Politico:

Charlie Gibson gets 2 days, no ground rules, multiple interviews with Sarah Palin when she returns to Alaska to see her son off to Iraq 9/11. No topic off limits. "...extensive, repeated access"

JM Hanes

Thanks to whoever posted the link to Byron York's "What Did Obama Do As A Community Organizer?" I've begun to think he's really one of the best in the business; he originally wrote this article back in June! He reports:

“Barack had been very inspired by the civil-rights movement,” Jerry Kellman, the organizer who hired Obama, told me recently. “I felt that he wanted to work in the civil-rights movement, but he was ten years too late, and this was the closest he could find to it at the time.” Obama, in his memoir, put it more simply when he said he went to Chicago to “organize black folks.”
Contemplating that thought, I picked up the second-hand copy of After Alinsky which just arrived, and flipped to Obama's 5 pager explaining community organization. After brief introductory paragraphs, this is where he starts [typos and/or errors all mine]:

The debate as to how black and other dispossessed people can forward their lot in America is not new. From W.E.B. DuBois to Booker T Washington to marcus Garvey to Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, this internal debate has raged between integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy, between sit-down strikes and boardroom negotiations. The lines between these strategies have never been imply drawn, and the most successful black leadership has recognized the need to bridge these seemingly divergent approaches. During the early years of the Civil Rights movement, many of these issues became submerged in the face of the lear oppression of segregation. The debate was no longer whether to protest, but how militant must that protest be to win full citizenship for blacks.

Twenty years later, the tensions between strategies have reemerged, in part due to the recognition that for all the accomplishments of the 1960's, the majority of blacks continue to suffer from second-classs citizenship. Related to this are the failures -- real, perceived and fabricated -- of the Great Society programs initiated by Lyndon Johnson. Facing these realities, at least three major strands of earlier movements are apparent.

First, and most publicized, has been the surge of political empowerment around the country. Harold Washington and Jesse Jackson are but two striking examples of how the energy and passion of the Civil Rights movement have been channeled into bids for more traditional political power. Second, there has been a resurgence in attempts to foster economic development in the black community, whether through local entrepreneurial efforts, increased hiring of black contractors, and corporate managers or Buy Black campaigns Third, and perhaps least publicized has been grass-roots community organizing, which builds on indigenous leadership and direct action.

The Civil Rights movement was a distraction. There's a reason Obama could sit in Rev. Wright's church for twenty years, and, it may not really be his sermons. This is the question which leapt to mind:

What's the one, and probably only thing that could possibly be *better* than being Martin Luther King?

Sue

What's the one, and probably only thing that could possibly be *better* than being Martin Luther King?

The Messiah? Or lacking that, POTUS.

DebinNC

If you knew you were losing white women voters would you mock Palin personally like this?

Palin's bio is "compelling," Obama said.

The crowd booed. "No, it's an interesting story." More boos. "No, no, it is. I mean that sincerely. Mother, governor, moose shooter."

The crowd broke out in laughter. "That's cool. That's cool. That's cool stuff," Obama said.

This from the guy who as a state senator voted against a bill to allow a homeowner using a gun to defend himself against an intruder to claim self-defense and not face gun charges.

Rick Ballard

"What's the one, and probably only thing that could possibly be *better* than being Martin Luther King?"

JMH,

Aren't you leaving out Reichsfuehrer and head of the Politburo? Presidents have to go through that yucky electoral process and it's sooo tiring.

Sue,

What could Sarah do or say that would break the initial bond which she has developed with women? Captain Zero's 'First motorcade of private school day' was a totally pathetic attempt to try and generate some sense of warmth but I don't see how he can pull it off with Bulldoggy barking at his side.

IMO - Bulldoggy unmuzzled is worth 10 divisions - to McCain. I rate letting her run unmuzzled in the beginning right with Eurotour, Hawaiian vacation and the Biden pick.

I'm not worried about Sarah Palin. That's just because I'm on her side. Now, if I were on the other side...

kim

Obama slipped; he didn't mean 'moose shooter', he meant 'goose cooker'.
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JM Hanes

Rick, I suppose that depends on whether the Obama Memorial would look better on the National Mall or in Red Square.

Sue

Rick,

What could Sarah do or say that would break the initial bond which she has developed with women?

Be dumber than a doorknob. Like Obama.

DebinNC

I haven't read it yet, but by way of comparison here's the transcript of Gibson's interview with Obama last June.

Barney Frank

What's intersting about the Obamas' reaction to Palin is, it is cementing the petulent child meme. That middle finger to RW was no isolated instance. Ignoring her governorship and referring to 'Wa-silly', and now Michelle implying she's dumb and this infantile 'moose shooter' stuff is custom made for the playground when somebody takes your kickball. Don't like its chances of playing too well in Peoria though.
It'll be interesting to see if Biden's enough of an old pro to avoid the trap or if he's like the typical go along to get along kid on the playground.

sbw

Barney, I read it differently. I don't think Obama is a very careful study. The details are fudged. The craftsmanship is missing.

kim

Nobody warned Obama that Michigan is almost as bad a state to ridicule hunters in as Pennsylvania. A lot of bitter clingers just wish they could hunt moose. A lot of bitter clingers just decided to cling even tighter to their bitterness.

By the way, a bumper sticker with 'Bitter Clinger' ought to be a big seller.
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Rocco

Has anyone seen this yet? It's an education plan discussion group of some sort and I can't find a date on it. It lists, The Honorable Senator Barak Obama, Minor, Barnhill, and Galland under The Planning And Development Advisory Committee. It also lists Ayers,John-Leadership For Quality Education. And Ken Rolling, The Chicago Annenberg Challenge

Since it lists Obama as a state senator and Rolling from The CAC, it would have to be between 1996-2000. CAC dissolved in 2001 and Obama wasn't a senator at that time was he?

Rick Ballard

"I don't think Obama is a very careful study."

Yep. All gloss, all superficial. He's as slippery as a weasel/eel cross though. You need a jello nail gun to pin him down.

Sue,

No worries on energy and education - if Gibson goes for a cheap fopo "who's the X of Unknownistan" I don't think it will hurt if she doesn't know. Economics is a upickem for all four of them - it's hard to think of an absolutely dumb response to an economic question.

JMH,

The Ascension is supposed to resolve the issue of burial. In Obama World, at any rate.

SWarren

Kim,
By the way, a bumper sticker with 'Bitter Clinger' ought to be a big seller.
oooh!! I want one of those."I'm a Bitter Clinger, NoBama!!"

DebinNC

When Gibson interviewed Obama last June, there were no gotcha questions. He did persistently ask "What about Hillary?" and about his pledge to accept public financing, but there were no geography/name the foreign pooba questions. If he pulls something like that on Palin, crowds will start shouting, "ABC!ABC!" outside the Good Morning, America set window.

M. Simon

JMH says:

RØTFLMAØ!

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Make my day!

DrJ

He's as slippery as a weasel/eel cross though. You need a jello nail gun to pin him down.

Reminds me of Clinton. Not Hillary.

M. Simon

McCain is Rising

Joan

Do presidential candidates usually spend their valuable campaign time criticizing vice presidential candidates? Obama looks like a school girl, playing coy and arch, getting in bitchy little digs about a person who should be of no consequence to him. I think this tells us -- Palin has more than an interesting biography. And, her arrows sure did pierce his quiver.

M. Simon

Sarah Is A Bitter Clinger

Joan,

Obama is ghetto all the way. What he is doing is a somewhat refined version of the dozens. i.e. slinging insults.

Under pressure people tend to revert to their formative years. Evidently he spent his as a street thug. It ain't pretty.

Soylent Red

M.Simon:

Watch people on daytime trash TV sometime. This is standard practice. He who talks the fastest and the loudest is perceived to have won the argument.

Obamessiah(PBUH) is just returning to his Oprah-tic roots.

M. Simon

McSame is not working.

McCain and Palin were "lying about their records," the Obama campaign said after the Republican running mates advertised themselves in a television spot as the "original mavericks" who would stand up for hard-pressed voters.

The strain is showing. ∅ is not holding up well under it.

I think the fact that the Rs generally come from behind in the Presidential races is good. They learn to handle pressure.

M. Simon

Soylent,

I grew up in the 'hood. I don't watch daytime trash TV. My loss no doubt. Anyway I learned the style from experience.

BTW how is that TV style received? What is the demographic? I really miss a lot of the current cultural markers.

DebinNC

Have either Palin or McCain used the word "lying" when referring to Obama/Biden?

Sue

Did y'all see Michelle on Ellen today? I believe I saw it over at Hot Air. She had her digs in for Sarah too.

M. Simon

∅ is looking very unPresidential these days.

JM Hanes

M. Simon:

On the day McCain breaks 50 on RCP, I'm calling the election for McPalin.

Republicans being the nominal minority for so long, are also far more disciplined. In addition, they are an ideological coaliton vs. and identity group coalition, which means the trade offs they make with each other don't necessarily mean sacrificing a piece of the putative federal pie, and thus do not pose the same obstacle to cohesion that they do on the left.

That proved a real disadvantage when Democrats ended up in the minority in Congress when nearly absolute party discipline is essential to get anything done, and mount successful resistance.

Soylent Red

M. Simon:

Daytime trash TV (and I am no regular user of it), court shows, COPS, etc. depict a certain segment of society.

That segment has, in my estimation, given up on ever being part of what we call "civil society".

Theodore Dalrymple writes about them in "Life at the Bottom". Thuggery, violence and lack of intellectual depth combine with a deep sense of entitlement, victimhood, and self-glorification.

Bulldoggy is definitely one of these people, and Obamessiah (PBUH)is one as well. They just don't display the stereotypical traits because they have been educated and have learned to hide it.

But when the pressure is on, that veneer comes off and you start to see what they are deep down. Given different circumstances, we might be seeing them beat Jerry Springer with a folding chair.

JM Hanes

The liar/liar thing is really pathetic. Sympathetic crowds may laugh and clap, but I think they'll go home kind of wondering who this nasty guy pretending to be Obama is. Democrats in general don't do humor very well, because amongst themselves, the bitter clingers are the usual butt of their jokes.

Obama used to look like he had a sense of humor because he had a little collection of ruefully self-deprecating lines. He obviously didn't really believe them himself, but the light tone was apparently a sufficiently substitute. He can't afford such lines any more, and it's become all too clear that his vanity is easily pricked -- which may actually be his fatal flaw.

Mustang0302

Soylent:

That segment has, in my estimation, given up on ever being part of what we call "civil society".

Uh, I'll be right back, I gotta go clean off the Copenhagen spray down the port side of my truck.

Soylent Red

Mustang:

That's not what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with income or elitism. Many poor people do not fall into this category.

It has to do with the fundamental way you see the universe. So things happen to you without your control, or are you responsible for carving out your own way? Is failure always someone else's fault? Do you demand respect without giving it?

Things like that. Read Dalrymple.

JMH:

I have been reflecting on the irony of the Obamapolis. In Greek tragedy it was a common theme that a hero would be brought down by his own hubris.

Obamapus Rex.

Elliott

He's always struck me more as Hippolytus.

Mustang0302

Soylent:

I gotcha...I'm just trying to live up to the moonbats' image of all us bitter clingers.

They see short hair/military bearing and assume "Deliverance." I like to bait them.

Life at the Bottom - demanding respect, lacking self-respect.

JM Hanes

Obamapus Wreck?

bad

Rocco

Thanks for the link!! That is a new one for me. Since Ken Rolling's affiliation is listed as "Chicago Annenberg Challenge" it is definitely during the 1995-2001 time frame.

DebinNC

Along with BO's "comical" remarks in MI about Palin as "mother, governor, moose shooter"..
"While speaking about the importance of habeas corpus, Obama said, “We don’t always catch the right person. We may think this is Mohammed the terrorist, it might be Mohammed the cab driver. You may think it’s Barack the bomb thrower, but it might be Barack the guy running for president.”

He didn't have any problem with Ayers the bomb thrower though.

bad

From Steve Diamond's article at Global Labor:

Apparently, Rolling is basing his claim to dispute the University's title to the CAC records on minutes of a December 2001 CAC board of directors meeting that indicate a desire of the board to place a five year restriction on access to the records.

Obama's an attorney on the board of a public foundation and they are discussing restricting records at that foundation's board meeting in 2001.

Stanley Kurtz reserves CAC records and phone calls and emails are exchanged in an effort to deny access.

Stanley Kurtz goes on WGN radio to discuss the CAC records and at the behest of the Obama campaign, supporters bombard the radio show with ugly phone calls slandering Dr. Kurtz.

What the heck are they hiding?

Captain Hate

Democrats in general don't do humor very well, because amongst themselves, the bitter clingers are the usual butt of their jokes.

Plus obvious self-righteousness is never funny.

his vanity is easily pricked -- which may actually be his fatal flaw.

I hate to play amateur shrink because the professional ones do such a demonstrably poor job, but I'm continually amazed at how somebody with such obvious character issues has made it to this point. I keep waiting to wake up and find this is a dream.

bad

Restricting access to the records as an attempt to cover up the failure of the CAC is unlikely. Multiple assessments were already under way, if not completed by the end of 2001 as part of the stated goals of the CAC, and were published shortly thereafter.

Rick Ballard

Bad,

The five year limit probably pertains to statute of limitations. Klonsky's apparat is one example - where did it come from and what was the justification for dumping the money into it? How many of the 43 orgs that received CAC fund are still operating and how many were fronts that dissolved as soon as CAC dried up? How much of the 2/1 money actually existed as anything but bookkeeping entries in the "Receivables" column?

Pagar

Bad, in the Annenberg, Ayers and Obama Thread, the current last post is from a poster called Hawaiian, IMO it has a recommendation that may be of some help in tying the terrorists together by using the assets of Discoverthenetworks.org
IMO it is worth a look if you haven't seen it.

bad

From City Journal: LUN

Obama began his organizing life in the mid-1980s in a community group whose progress mirrored that of the rest of the industry: the Developing Communities Project, formed on Chicago’s South Side as a “faith-based grassroots organization organizing and advocating for social change.” Though founded with resources from a coalition of churches, over time the DCP evolved, like many left-leaning religious organizations, into a government contractor essentially subsisting on tax money—with nearly 80 percent of its revenues deriving from public contracts and grants.

Developing Communities Project was Obama's big accomplishment as a community organizer in Chicago. Voter registration is one of their activities. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education foundation, gave over $200,000 to this group, as determined so far.

bad

Rick

Its obvious from the tax returns that the $110 million raised in "matching funds" did not flow through the CAC. Are they trying to hide the "fiction" of matching funds? CAC records reference "matching fund certification" several times.

The tax return for 1998 has anomalies between grants given and payee records. Grants given lists 55 grants. Payee records lists 60 payees. Sloppy accounting or something else?

bad

Pagar

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. You have a good nose. Help us out, pretty please.

bad

From pagars tip, discover the network:

Notwithstanding his violent past, Ayers today does not describe himself as a terrorist. "Terrorists destroy randomly," he reasons, "while our actions bore ... the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate."

Ayers foray into education explained in the terrorist's own words.

bad

A post on another thread by haiwiian alerted pagar to a website chasing down connections of people on the left called discoverthenetworks.org. This website is Linked Under Name.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Ayers redemption cartoon

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