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September 17, 2008

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sbw

Can I get a grant to pursue my PhD and teaching certification. I need to get out of business. It's not worth it.

Call me when it's time to pick up the pieces.

Pofarmer

Can we PLEASE not further complicate the tax code????

matt

both plans sound like disasters. Frankly, I don't see the government taking on too many responsibilities very soon. With entitlementys already at @ 70% of the overall budget, there is simply no wiggle room left with Iraq/Afghanistan, the Wall Street debacle, and earmarks out of control.

The bills are coming due and we have to put our financial house in order.

J Verner

The problem isn't that we need any "new plans" The problem is that the health care system has no competition, is shielded from market forces and therefore has become bloated and, in many cases inefficent.

In the first place--the 47 million uninsured Americans is a joke. By the lastes census figures, 10 million of that number are non citizens. If they need insurance, and can't buy it themselves, or have it through an employer--they need to go home. I don't expect France or Canada to pay for me.

Further, several million are those who make over 75,000, and decide not to buy health insurance. Their choice, not my problem. There are also millions who are elidgable for governmnet programs like medicaid or the famous SCHIPS program for children. Again, if they don't sign up, whose fault is that?

Most of the uninsured are young people, 18-35, who really don't need a comprehensive health plan anyway. They are the healthiest group, and represent a fraction of total health care costs. All most need is a catastrophic plan that will cover a major problem or accident. That's relatively cheap.

But NOOOO. The government has to pick all of our pockets, rather than apply common sense solutions for a small percentage of our population that falls through the cracks.

That's what they did with Fannie and Freddie--and look where it's gotten us.

Pofarmer

The problem isn't that we need any "new plans" The problem is that the health care system has no competition, is shielded from market forces and therefore has become bloated and, in many cases inefficent.

Yes, yes, yes.

Might I be allowed an example???

In the cattle industry they are doing "ultrasounds" to score backfat for slaughter and, in some cases, to do pregnancy testing. It takes a few minutes and costs $12 a head. You go to an OB's office, and they do an "ultrasound" to look at a baby, or to an office to look at your heart, or whatever. SAME machine. Yet to do a 15 minute ultrasound of your heart, or 10 minutes to look at JR. Costs 1000 bucks.

MartyH

It looks like the goal of the McCain plan is to get employers out of the busines of supplying insurance. The argument for this is simple: once people are paying for their own health insurance they will spend their money more wisely.

Note that companies who are providing coverage will be able to give their employees raises that will partially compensate for the loss of employee coverage. The tax credit is meant to make up at least some of the difference so that employees aren't getting screwed.

J Verner

Yep profamer. Add to that, at least 20% for administrative costs, and big bucks in "defensive" medicine, especially for OBGYNS.

But Consumers doen't care how much it costs, cause they just hand over their insurance card, and it all goes away except for the little co-pays for office visits and Rxs.

That's the real problem.

J Verner

It looks like the goal of the McCain plan is to get employers out of the busines of supplying insurance. The argument for this is simple: once people are paying for their own health insurance they will spend their money more wisely.

I've got another argument: GM (as in general motors) Look what the health care componant of their retirement plan has done to them.

matt

so now Obama is running an ad in Spanish purposely misquoting Rush Limbaugh and saying it is the evil republicans who are against Latinos. The only problem was that Limbaugh was quoting Mexican government policies when he did it.

Which party is sinking into the gutter? This guy is now well on the way to fomenting race war. Disgraceful.

Barney Frank

It looks like the goal of the McCain plan is to get employers out of the busines of supplying insurance.

Precisely. Easy (theoretically) three step solution to health care problem:
1. No more employer health care; replaced by HSAs.
2. Serious tort reform with teeth.
3. Privatize medicare over time and means test for those who can't afford replacement insurance.

There's a reason medical procedures which are not covered by insurance go down in cost while those covered skyrocket.

PaulD

Being an optimist, I am hopeful that gridlock will continue.

kimsch

Why do we need groups for health insurance? We don't need them for car insurance, or homeowners' or renters' insurance.

Why do employers have to provide insurance?

Why do we want our employers deciding what plans we can get? How much coverage we can get? What our deductibles are?

When I was a kid, we paid the doctor for visits and insurance was for catastrophic or chronic situations. Regular doctor visits you just paid for.

The system we have now is pretty much a pre-paid medical program.

sbw

Employers provide health insurance because in the post WWII -middle 1950s environment with price controls health insurance was a cheap perk an employer could offer to keep an employee.

It has metamorphosed into a political monster where people who decide the benefits -- Congress and State legislatures -- do not pay the tab directly. Price signals are gone. Accountability is gone.

The political conversation has become a competition tossing out benefits, not a discussion of how to make it work, and journalists are incapable of either seeing the problem or unwilling to report on it. Or both.

cathyf
Why do we need groups for health insurance? We don't need them for car insurance, or homeowners' or renters' insurance.
Have you ever been hit by someone with no car insurance? Guess what -- it's not the fabulously wealthy people that you can sue who are driving around with no insurance. It's people who have no assets to protect and just thumb their noses at you when you try to get them to take responsibility for their negligence.

Of course even worse than no car insurance is the fake car insurance. In most states you are required to have insurance to have your car registered. So an entire industry has grown up to sell people a cheap insurance card. But if somebody covered by this "insurance" hits you, just try to get one of these bogus companies to pay up. And if you go to a lawyer, the lawyer will give you a kindly lecture about squeezing blood from a turnip. And your own "uninsured motorist" coverage doesn't kick in if the person who hits you has an insurance card...

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