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September 29, 2008

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cahmd

Echoing Instapundit, I think Pelosi wanted the bill to fail, hence her prevote speech. By losing the vote, the Democrats will craft their own lefty bill and the MSM will blame the Republicans, McCain etc. Why can't the Democrats be equally ruthless towards our real enemies?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Weller was the one no vote. Who is Weller?

PeterUK

Look,can we get the right number of Democrats,we have a movie to make 94. the story of how 94 gallant politicians held the Pass against all odds.

Amused bystander

Yes, Swarren. It was not the blue dogs the killed it. Lots of the CBC went against it because they striped out a lot of the givemes.

The Dems may go back to the "iterim" bill and just go along party lines.

They only need about 5-10 more votes from the GOP if they cannot sway the blue dogs.

michaelt

My rep, Chaka Fattah, voted yes. So did Maxine Waters.

Enlightened

"Anyway, the spin that Repubs didn't kill it is ludicrous."

Are you really this stupid?

Pelosi could not garner a MAJORITY vote of a DEMOCRATIC Congress. They could have passed the bill without the Republicans.

bio mom

This bill could easily have passed even if NO republican voted for it. There were ample Dems there to reach the 217 mark. Her own caucus voted against her. Good for them. Crappy bill. Let's start over and do it right.

M. Simon

clarice,

The AT article I put in two pieces is going viral. The on about creating crisis to bring down the system.

Verner

And quite a few of the utterly wacko democrats like Jackson-Lee and Kucinich voted NAY. But I saw very many fromthe south and west di so as well.

Pelosi could have gottenit done if she wanted to.

Loser!

Worst. Speaker.Ever.

Barbula

Br'er GOP - "Oh please, Br'er Pelosi, whatever you do, don't blame us for killing the Bailout Bill, anything but that!"

Br'er Pelosi - "Blame the GOP, eh? What a wonderful idea! You'll be torn into little pieces by the MSM."

PDinDetroit

My rep Knollenberg voted against.

MI Reps: 6 For, 9 Against.

Guess the Automaker Bail-Out wasn't enough to sway them....

Ranger

Oy...Is the Black Caucus lobbying to have ACORN back in the Bill?


Posted by: SWarren | September 29, 2008 at 03:15 PM

Looks like it. Just from a quick read I noticed several CBC members on the no list. The problem is, that if they get the ACORN think they may get the CBC on board, but they will lose every R vote, and they will be handing the majority to the Rs in the next house.

M. Simon

The CBC probably were out because of no Christmas for them.

If that goes in all 66 Rs are out.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via C-SPAN:

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 674

viva ron paul

I don't get if Republicans are happy or sad they killed it?

If it was worth voting for, blaming a speech by Pelosi makes you look sort of emotionally crippled.

If it was worth killing, why look for excuses?

Verner

Let her do it. Let her pass a bill with all the ACORN crap--and we will RIP HER TO SHREDS. She will not have a SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTE. She will OWN this mess.

PeterUK

"Anyway, the spin that Repubs didn't kill it is ludicrous.

Hell, I opposed it. Be proud they killed it!"

A Ron Paul Republican,eager to drop the Reps in the shit,got to be a Moby.

Enlightened

"If the earmarks were in the bill.

Which they're not."

The bills ambiguous language aside....

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Market: -724

PeterUK

"I don't get if Republicans are happy or sad they killed it?"

More to the point why did the Democrats kill it?

Amused bystander

Dow: -717. The Dem presser really help the market.

Sue

The spin is republicans killed the bill. No matter what we think, no matter how many dems voted against it, the news reports are too few republicans voted for it. Republicans are being blamed. But as I said earlier, we are being blamed no matter which way we vote, so might as well vote our conscience.

DebinNC

Statement from McCain,

M. Simon

My R voted no!! Yaaaaaay.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

If it was worth voting for, blaming a speech by Pelosi makes you look sort of emotionally crippled.

If it was worth killing, why look for excuses?

Ask the dems. Boehner said this morning he doubted he could bring more than 70 yea votes to the floor. Ended up with 65. I think it is the dems that deserted their leader.

Enlightened

"Only people who know what will happen if the credit market doesn't unfreeze and care about hunger and suffering."

Really? This doomsday scenario is going to happen tomorrow? Before next weekend?

Verner

The CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS brought us this mess with Fannie Mae. The CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS helped to torpedoe this bill because it didn't include ACORN--and now, we're suppose to vote for a member in good standing of the CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS who supports ACORN?

Wake Up America! Barak is not your friend!

LindaK

Talk about bad judgment. Minutes before the vote Pelosi got up to slam the republicans and Bush for being reckless, fiscally irresponsible and not regulating. THen she ends with, "How did it sneak up so suddendly on little cat feet?" Totally ignoring facts and six years of republican efforts to stem the FRE/FNM monsters. Bipartisan indeed.

Ranger

Well, it looks like the CBC is as much to blame as the Republicans. Also, given that Pelosi insisted that Republicans had to vote for the bill because, as she said, "it has to be bipartisan", then gave a blatantly partisan speach, this is as much on her as the Rs. Those where are saying that her speach should not have affected the Rs votes are missing the point. By making her speach, Pelosi was demanding that the Rs support the 'this is all your fault' premis she has been pushing since it started. Her speach and their votes would have been used over and over again to show that Republicans "admitted their guilt" in causeing this.

sbw

Glenn Reynolds: Did she want the bill to fail?

If Pelosi didn't have the votes on her side of the aisle, she MAY have decided that the only political alternative was to alienate House Republicans into voting against the issue, giving cover to her inability to muster her own troops.

Then a compliant media blames the Republicans -- the way CNBC just did.

PeterUK

Perhaps we can change the name of the movie from 94. to "The Caine Mutiny."

DebinNC

Excellent point, Ranger.

Appalled

McCain has to have a conversation with his side about Patriotism, and duty to country over duty to self. (If 12 votes switched because Nancy Pelosi gave a mean, partisan speech, then one has to wonder about what kind of people have such tender egos that adelivering a middle finger was so muh more important than slavaging the markets?)

Of course, Obama could give his side a lecture too about the middle class people who might just lose their jobs because their companies can't get the short-term credit to maintain payroll.

I place this one on the candidates. Bush is a spent force -- how about risking some more political capital for the country?

Caro

Utah's three votes are interesting. Mine (R) voted nay. The one dem voted nay as well. The third, (R) voted yay, but he lost his primary and will not be going back anyway. Good for his constituents.

mark l.

this thing was going to pass, had mccain not interfered...right.

this thing failed becuase of the gop...despite dems having 232 members, and 66 gop members support the bill.


I'm watching cnn spin it as a failure of bush, mccain, without mentioning pelosi. Cnn even played 30 seconds of nancy's 5+ minute speech, I guess in their minds to be fair.

M. Simon

Appalled,

I don't think there will be many R votes for the next version.

mark l.

"If 12 votes switched because Nancy Pelosi gave a mean, partisan speech, then one has to wonder about what kind of people have such tender egos that adelivering a middle finger was so muh more important than slavaging the markets?"

94 democrats voted against it. why?

Jim Ryan

My Virgil Goode voted nay. His pal Canto yea.

M. Simon

The American people (for good or ill) were 50% against and 24% for and 26% muddled.

Ranger

Of course, Obama could give his side a lecture too about the middle class people who might just lose their jobs because their companies can't get the short-term credit to maintain payroll.

Posted by: Appalled | September 29, 2008 at 03:43 PM

Well, since the Dems and the press are saying that Republicans voting against this means they are unpatriotic, maybe Obama can explain why the Congressinoal Black Caucus hates America and wants to destory the economy as well.

Barry did disavow "middleclassness" so maybe this is how he fulfills that promis.

Jim Ryan

Cantor.

DebinNC

Actions have consequences. First, Pelosi/Reid shut out House Reps from the negotiations. Public outcry and John McCain forced them to relent. Then, Blunt and Gregg were faced with 9 bullying Dems at the table. Schumer was table pounding, Baucus was shouting, and who knows what the others were doing. Pelosi's denigrating speech demanded Reps accept all the blame for the problem Dems caused. It was the last straw that freed enough Reps to vote their conscience.

JM Hanes

M.Simon:

On the bright side, if you can find yesterday's picture of the Pelosi-Frank-Reid Democrats grinning like crazy at the microphone and taking full, proud, ownership of this bill, it should be going viral too!

Enlightened

Where's Bambi? Doesn't he need to rally his troops and get them to rassle up a new bill and get it passed? No presidential call-to-arms? Teleprompter on the blink?

Since McCain just smacked the Dems, I'm guessing Bambi was waiting to see if he would shoot first...

sbw

Appalled, why did 94 democrats voted against it?

And why, true to form, would you dwell on the Republicans? Oh, excuse me. I should have known.

bio mom

You all seem to labor under the assumption that it would have been a good thing for this bill to pass. Not so. Not as it was written. I know Pelosi is a good politician but she also a dumb person as well. So her role in this could go either way: stunning way to destroy the Republicans in the election, or too stupid to get a bill passed by her own Democrats who control the majority. She only needed 9 more votes for heaven sakes and lost 94 of her own people. And besides, darn it, THE COUNTRY WAS AGAINST THE BILL!! When did that become a non-issue.

JM Hanes

Given public sentiment, blaming the Republicans is a real double edged sword, isn't it?

Charlie (Colorado)

Kudlow:

A number of Republican House members and staff, along with others who are plugged in, are telling me that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats will come back with a new bill that includes all the left-wing stuff that was scrubbed from the bill that was defeated today in the House.

As this scenario goes, the House Democrats need 218 votes, and they have to pick up a number of black and Hispanic House members who jumped ship because the Wall Street provisions, in their view, were too benign. So things like the bankruptcy judges setting mortgage terms and rates, the ACORN slush-fund spending, the union proxy for corporate boards, stricter limits on executive compensation, and much larger equity ownership of selling banks through warrants will all find itself back in the new bill. Of course, this scenario will lose more Republican votes. But insiders tell me President Bush will take Secretary Paulson’s advice and sign that kind of legislation.

So, Simon, your R rep just voted for ACORN, union takeovers of boards, and all the other stuff, and Bush will sign it because he, unlike some people, doesn't thing another Great Depression will be good for us.

Aren't you proud?

PeterUK

Apalled,
This wasn't about your country this was the Democrat's doomsday weapon to get Barrack Hussein Obama elected.The only other reason is insanity.To put it bluntly,the majority party lawmakers are in dereliction of their duty to the electorate.

Jackie

I'm a Democrat and I am 100% against billionaire welfare. The Bush administration caused this fiasco and yet you whine because the Dems didn't bail you out. The economy is Bush's problem and McSame's. Let them fix it.

Ranger

If 12 votes switched because Nancy Pelosi gave a mean, partisan speech, then one has to wonder about what kind of people have such tender egos that adelivering a middle finger was so muh more important than slavaging the markets?

Posted by: Appalled | September 29, 2008 at 03:43 PM

Her speech was an effort to turn every vote by a Republican into a "confession" that all of this was Republicans' fault. Then, no matter what evidence of Dem fighting to keep the corrupt Dem leadership at Fannie and Freddie in place and pumpting bad paper into the US markets, she would have just pointed to their votes as proof the the Republicans were at fault.

Screw her. He demanded the Rs vote for this so it would be bipartisan, then wrapped up the debate with a blatantly partisan speech that turned the whole thing into a blatatnly partisan vote. Oh, she also questioned the Rs patriotism for missing a meeting they weren't even invited to.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

C-SPAN has the final tally as:

Dems 140 Yea 95 Nay

Repub 66 Yea 132 Nay

Pagar

At some point, Maybe 1st or second grade, children learn to add and subtract and what the result of that exercise is. If we (the GOP) can not convince voters that one party having more than 218 voting members and the the number needed to pass the bill is 218, that party is responsible for not passing the bill than I see no hope for this nation.

" It will be all the Republican's fault."
It is not the Republicans fault. It is the Democrats.

Sue

I'm a Democrat and I am 100% against billionaire welfare.

I'm a republican and I am 100% against billionaire welfare. The democrats, the CBC to be exact, caused this fiasco and yet you whine because the Repubilicans didn't bail you out. The economy is congress's problem and dems own congress. Let them fix it.

ex-democrat

ranger - 3.38 pm - what you said.

now, they must go on offense

Lori

Appalled-I am generally for this bailout bill in its current form. HOWEVER, I understand the reluctance of many people to hand over $700 billion to these idiots who refuse to acknowledge the source of the problem. If they don't understand (or won't admit) that it wasn't a good idea to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them how can we trust them with more money? If they won't acknowledge that they blocked FM/FM reform when you can observe it with your own eyes on 2004 CSPAN coverage and when it is in the public record, why should we trust them? Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for blocking reform.They refuse to admit ANY responsibility for the situation. Are Pelosi and Frank just stupid or are they liars? That is why Pelosi's speech is such a problem.

PeterUK

So Jackie,

"The economy is Bush's problem and McSame's. Let them fix it."

You are conceding the election to McCain?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Jackie: The cause was Congress, in particular, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Bush tried again and again to warn about this problem starting in 2003 and this year alone, 18 different times. McCain tried to ward off this catastrophe in 2005 but the dems voted the bill down. Get facts first.

Enlightened

"Aren't you proud?"

I am proud of the Republicans that can see what a boondoggle this is, and I haven't been proud of George Bush for a very long time.

If Pelosi wants to cram this up our ass with her partisan hacks - fine. We'll have see what the majority of Americans have to say to that.

M. Simon

Charlie,

You are letting your fears rule you.

My Cong. is rather patriotic and a champion of small business. We have 9% unemployment in the area. 10% in the #3 city in Illinois. If the locals didn't like it despite the financial pressures here then yes. I'm proud of him.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

And Jackie, this video really shows you at whose feet this should really be laid.

Video

Great Banana

McCain has to have a conversation with his side about Patriotism, and duty to country over duty to self.

I'm not sure how a vote for this outrageous bill equates to "patriotism" in anyone's mind, or to "duty to country." I guess when its a dem talking appalled ("moderate"), you are allowed to question the other side's patriotism. Just ask Nancy Pelosi or Obama. I guess they gave the patriotism questining the big old "go ahead".

I love how the left actually does everything it accuses the right of doing and claims to be against. From censorship, to racial discrimination, to questioning an opponent's patriotism - the left is what it claims to hate.

Pagar

Anyone against billionaire welfare needs to check the financial listings of the congressional members.

E. Nigma

Ohio R- delegation:

John Boehner (minority leader) votes Yes
David Hobson and Deborah Pryce vote Yes (both retiring at end of this term)

The rest of the Ohio - R delegation votes No

Also, Marcy Kaptur (Democrat-Toledo) and Dennis Kucinich (Democrat - Asteroid Belt) vote No.

Are they voting their conscience or voting per the wishes of their districts?

You make the call!

Appalled

sbw:

If you look at the vote numbers, you can see that the Republicans have the minority of votes, and the majority of NAYS. So, yeah, they get the majority of blame. McCain needs to be a true Maverick and start calling some of those people out.

Should the black caucus voted for the bill? Yes. I hope Sen. Obama gives John Lewis a call and lets him know how disappointed he is that, in this contry's hour of need, he failed to measure up. But, seriously, when it came to be a choice between self or country, two-thirds of the house gop went for self.

M. Simon

Dow -738

Ranger

I love how the left actually does everything it accuses the right of doing and claims to be against. From censorship, to racial discrimination, to questioning an opponent's patriotism - the left is what it claims to hate.

Posted by: Great Banana | September 29, 2008 at 04:03 PM

Victor Belenko(sp?), the MIG 25 pilot who defected to the west, called it truth inversion. The Soviets would describe the Soviet system, call it American, and denounce it. It was his recognition of this that was one of the turning points in his life. The Soviets are gone, but their fellow travelers in the west are still with us.

Enlightened

Also from the Kudlow article -

"I’m not forecasting, because I don’t know the next bill’s content. And while McCain’s polls are heading south, he could still win. But a three-house Dem sweep to implement some off the very onerous provisions being talked about could set up the end of the U.S. financial system as we know it.

I’m gonna wait and see. Obviously, the financial markets are in total collapse today. And the economic outlook is suffering.

Tough day. One of the worst I can remember."


And so Bush is gonna jump on the newer partisan crapshot earmarked bill that might possibly destroy the US financial market, as opposed to waiting and drafting a better bill not catering to crooks and liars, but the waiting might collapse the credit market....

So we are screwed either way - the Dems are going to destroy America. Bambi will save us.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Back in 1989 (I think it was '89), the Congress passed a gigantic catastrophic healthcare bill. They said it must be done and the AARP was pushing it big time.

A couple of weeks later they had to repeal it. Our office alone got close to 300,000 calls and/or letters screaming at us for allowing the bill to pass, even though my boss voted against. They were bringing into the House floor hundreds and hundreds of bags of mail coming in from constituents who were rabid about Congress acting against their wishes.

I imagine these Congressional offices have inundated, although today it is probably email, rather than snail mail.

comprehensivelistofAIGcustomers

Currency swap banks aren't the banks who write off 'loans' to foreign aid. The carbon tax carbon swaps are generating 100s of millions for States. The new economy is buying at the State level.

The warnings weren't headed because the US was writing off those loans, it was Bill's feed the world and end poverty speech being forced by dems like Obama, which he decided should be a tax on the country like England and Canada. Socialism is failing because the banks that write off the foreign 'loans' aren't participating in the bail out by buying in like everyone else; the new global economy is the GDP tax, which the US passed on and, now, the Global carbon tax, which the US participated in and is now funding States; so is Obama and Blair's social ism important as Rice's WMD degree. yes, the States are now making money in the new global economy tax just like they would have under Obama's global GDP tax.

Dow? We're supposed to ask about the percentage, not the point decline.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

have ** BEEN ** inundated

Ranger

But, seriously, when it came to be a choice between self or country, two-thirds of the house gop went for self.

Posted by: Appalled | September 29, 2008 at 04:08 PM

The Ds don't need a single R vote to pass this if they really want to pass it. Not the Rs fault. Not even close.

Nancy needs to decide if she really wants this as a partisan or bipartisan action. She has been talking out of both sides of her mouth since this started.

Eextraneus
Appalled-I am generally for this bailout bill in its current form. HOWEVER, I understand the reluctance of many people to hand over $700 billion to these idiots who refuse to acknowledge the source of the problem. If they don't understand (or won't admit) that it wasn't a good idea to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them how can we trust them with more money? If they won't acknowledge that they blocked FM/FM reform when you can observe it with your own eyes on 2004 CSPAN coverage and when it is in the public record, why should we trust them? Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for blocking reform.They refuse to admit ANY responsibility for the situation. Are Pelosi and Frank just stupid or are they liars? That is why Pelosi's speech is such a problem.

Good comment, Lori. I agree 100%. Nobody has yet had the guts to educate the American people as to the source of the problem, which is completely relevant to the present situation and the upcoming election. There is no fix in the legislation for the root cause of the problem. And Pelosi has now laid down a challenge for someone to step up and tell it like it *really* is. I don't think McCain can do it.

Who will do it? Who has the stature, and the ear of the country?

I vote for Sarah Palin to do it. Take the gloves off, stop all the stupid talk about free salmon and facials, Russian neighbors and rape kits, and kick their asses like they deserve.

M. Simon

So we are screwed either way - the Dems are going to destroy America. Bambi will save us.

Enlightened,

That is the way I see it too. So to all you Rs who voted for Ds in '06 or who stayed home:

thanks a lot.

Soylent Red

Yeah where is Bambi? Shouldn't he be practicing his much vaunted ability to reach across the aisle and pass bi-partisan legislation? You know, the kind that he has years of experience and a well established track record of doing?

WTF Bambi? WTF?

Soylent Red

Yeah where is Bambi? Shouldn't he be practicing his much vaunted ability to reach across the aisle and pass bi-partisan legislation? You know, the kind that he has years of experience and a well established track record of doing?

WTF Bambi? WTF?

Soylent Red

Whoa. Whoa. Double double post post.

I blame Clarice. I blame Clarice.

sbw

Appalled, Pelosi could have made this happen. She obviously didn't want to. Why? Games.

sbw

And, appalled, Pelosi depends on people like you to get away with it.

Appalled

Ranger:

I see -- all Nancy has to do is crook her bony little talon..er..finger, and all the mesmerized little Democrats will vote the straight party line.

Meanwhile, McCain and Boehner, poor inept little people, can only get a third of their caucus to follow along, and golly, we should not hold them responsible for that!

That dog won't hunt, Ranger.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Bambi's surrogates are out in force saying McCain didn't deliver what he promised and Bambi did.

PeterUK

"If you look at the vote numbers, you can see that the Republicans have the minority of votes, and the majority of NAYS. So, yeah, they get the majority of blame"

Casuistry of the worst kind.

Appalled

sbw:

My comment applies to you too. It's certainly not ALL the GOP's fault this bill id not pass, but it is about 66-2/3% their fault.

Extraneus

I don't see how she could have made it happen. If her black caucus members weren't all on board without the slush funds, and the blue dogs weren't all on board with that carp in, she couldn't do it without R's to offset her Nays.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

No Appalled. Pelosi could have passed this without a single Republican if she wanted it passed. She obviously didn't or she wouldn't have given that stupid speech just before the vote. Not only did Repubs get turned off, but a good portion of her dems did too.

And it was the dems who got us into this mess, so it should be theirs to own.

bgates

all Nancy has to do is crook her bony little talon..er..finger, and all the mesmerized little Democrats will vote the straight party line.
Why is a Republican vote for the plan putting country before self, but a Democrat vote for the plan is the result of mesmerism? Is it because you're a shameless unconvincing hack?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Market: -777.68

Mars vs Hollywood

Market: -777.68

Percentages?

Extraneus

6.98

E. Nigma

I vote for Pelosi intentionally antagonizing the Republican side of the house, and causing 20-30 members to bolt to the "No" side.
Yes indeed, tomorrow or the next day, the next bill will have all the stuff in that was stripped out in committee, and most of the Dems will be on board, with 10 or 15 Republicans that are truly worried or truly don't care because they are retiring from office. The Senate will pass it, and Bush will sign it.
And we will all be screwed. I predict 40 years in the wilderness for the Republican party.

What was that song by REM? "It's the End of the World As We Know It"?

This outcome pretty much seals Obama's victory in November. The media will play this to his complete advantage. What's ACORN? What's CRA? What do all these things mean?
Blank out.

Buy gold and bury it in your basement.

Charlie (Colorado)

You are letting your fears rule you.

So you're not afraid?

Well, you will be.

Enlightened

So here's what the GOP House should do -

Pencil in "ACORN" on the voted down bill - have all 97 sign on the line, call a presser and present the amended vote to Madame Blinker. A brief description of the corruption at ACORN and its supporters and connection to Bambi should suffice. Pass the renamed ACORN Bill, and see how the public responds.


At this point McCain needs to get downright nasty and go to the mattresses. He has nothign to lose because the MSM has already put this failure on McCain, and the public need only watch the market indices to put 2+2 together.


Ranger

Ranger:

I see -- all Nancy has to do is crook her bony little talon..er..finger, and all the mesmerized little Democrats will vote the straight party line.

Meanwhile, McCain and Boehner, poor inept little people, can only get a third of their caucus to follow along, and golly, we should not hold them responsible for that!

That dog won't hunt, Ranger.

Posted by: Appalled | September 29, 2008 at 04:21 PM

No, all she has to say is "we'll worry about who shot John later." She demanded the Rs vote for this, then deliberately insulted them repeatedly through the entire process. The Rs worked in good faith through the weekend, and in the end, on a vote that was supposed to be completely bipartisan to share the blame, she came out and said "all your damn fault."

That dog will hunt... all day long. Nancy couldn't deliver 1/3rd of her caucus. Obama can't deliver the CBC.

Boehner promised 70 votes this morning and delivered 65. All the rest on on Nancy.

M. Simon

I get it appalled. The Democrats won't vote for a Democrat bill.

Which proves the Democrats are not to blame.

I like your logic. I'm using it on the next aerospace design I work on.

Extraneus

Hey, speaking of ACORN, Attorney General Michael Mukasey appointed a prosecutor Monday to pursue possible criminal charges against Republicans who were involved in the controversial firings of U.S. attorneys.

Appalled

bgates

If Boehner is correct, and twelve people changed their votes because they could not abide a politician playing politics, then it seems evident that those 12 were putting their bruised egos over whatever was impelling them to vote for the bailout. (I assume it was loyalty to country, or perhaps loyalty to Bush). That's not impressive.

M. Simon

If D = D
Then
Not D
Endif

JM Hanes

Appalled:

"If 12 votes switched because Nancy Pelosi gave a mean, partisan speech, then one has to wonder about what kind of people have such tender egos that adelivering a middle finger was so muh more important than slavaging the markets?"

One might more profitably wonder what kind of leader gives an insulting, inflammatory, partisan speech, right before she asks for passage of a bill which required compromises Republicans had been reluctant to make in the first place.

I don't believe 12 Republicans suddenly changed their minds just because their feelings were hurt; it's not like there's anything that Pelosi hasn't blamed them for since the day she took the gavel. I'd guess they saw which way that ill wind was blowing, and finally decided it was time to deliver the stomach punch she has so richly deserved so long.

When the Speaker of the House delivers a polarizing polemic before what is arguably the most important, hard won, piece of legislation she's ever gotten around to putting on the table, we're looking at terminally stuck on stupid. Even stipulating the putative volatility of 12 Republicans, why would that be more worrisome than questions about why 95 Democrats voted down their own Speaker's bill?

Cecil Turner

Yes indeed, tomorrow or the next day, the next bill will have all the stuff in that was stripped out in committee, and most of the Dems will be on board . . .

In your dreams. Mine, too. Cuz that'd guarantee a GOP Congress in January. But it ain't gonna happen, because even the dumbest Democrat can figure that one out (a certain low cunning is endemic in the breed).

M. Simon

Appalled,

Where were the 24 Democrats? Who were not playing politics?

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