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September 13, 2008

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JM Hanes

Leo:

"Funny, I don't hear Kim laughing."

Funny how much tin ears can miss.

Semanticleo

"I know someone else who might not want you in his foxhole."

I get ambushed all the time. It's part of the
territory. You should try some risk, yerself.

If you have the fortitude, that is.

BTW; a foxhole is not for the squeamish.

kim

Leo, it was the bite marks that chased me out of the gutter.
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matt

as president of a small company in California, I think I can answer that one. Here, we pay something on the order of 45% in total corporate income taxes. The Federal rate is 35% while the state is at 10.5%. As a manager I have been wrestling with moving the company out of state, as our employees cannot afford to live here, and the shareholders gain little return on their investment. Not a pretty picture, is it?

Taxing the wealthy has been the anodyne of the Left since Marx. However, it is a balance. Most of the Wall Street scum who are responsible for the current financial crisis bailed out with their golden parachutes and corporate loot years ago and have it stashed now. Most of them voted Democratic. Look where they live; the Upper East Side, Greenwich, the enclaves on Long Island, and look at the voting records.

The Republicans tend these days to get more of heir support from the smaller businessmen and women. Less government, lower taxes, and less interference tend to strike a stronger chord with that demographic. The rich just buy their way out of the problems of life. The rest of us have to earn it the hard way.

But the reality is that it doesn't matter. Goldman Sachs owns a good portion of both parties. This is one reason McCain is not especially popular in DC. The stink of lobbyists has got to go, and I haven't seen Obama take a lead on any of that while McCain has been outspoken and has a record on the issue.

Semanticleo

"I'll get out of the gutter now"

Why?

It's seem so comfortable for you, second nature even.

Rick

'Cleo,

Not only is your smokescreen not helping Michelle's kids, but it isn't making Bob Herbert any less moronic.

But, Go Balloons, if you must.

Cordially...

Semanticleo

It's safer in the gutter you know.

Foxholes carry risks.

You can stew in your cups and pass out in the gutter, and the worst you have to worry about is the street sweeper on Monday morning.

Jane

Is it sexist to call a woman an idiot?

Sexist? no. A joke coming from you? Indeed.

kim

The trouble is, Leo, that I used to enjoy the game you play at any number of leftist sites. Inevitably, I've been banned. Poor sports, the whole benighted left wing of this fair country.

Well, I take that back. I've been having fun for months at what is functionally a raving left wing site. It's moderated by a big time MSM reporter and he seems to relish the fight.
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PeterUK

"It's safer in the gutter you know."

You should know Septic.

JM Hanes

"You can stew in your cups and pass out in the gutter, and the worst you have to worry about is the street sweeper on Monday morning."

I'll take your word for it, Leo.

Porchlight

It's seem so comfortable for you, second nature even.

See, kim, he's a scorpion. Even when you're being gracious he'll sting you.

It's his nature.

kim

By the way, Sue, No Quarter let me comment again. I limited myself to congratulations for Larry and SusanunPC from an old pal.
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Semanticleo

"Even when you're being gracious'

Sorry Kim. It was too subtle.

hit and run

Clarice:
PDFTT

Well now you've done it.

Without that critical 'N' between the 'D' and 'F', you've declared open season.

Don't rely on contractions in abbreviations...

bad

Steve Diamond has a few comments on the "full disclosure" thread.

kim

Neither he nor I take this game very seriously, Porchlight. We go way back. But like someone noticed, I am trying to convert him. He's got the heart of a Republican and the brain of a Democrat. It's the heart that pumps the blood to the head. He'll awaken in a brand new world, someday.
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cathyf
she told the audience of soldiers that they would be fighting “the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.”

Was she deliberately falsifying history, or does she still not know that Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks?

Um, so is somebody going to tell Bob Herbert that Saddam Hussein is dead, and soldiers leaving now to go to Iraq won't have anything to do with fighting any forces controlled by him?

You'd think he would have gotten the news that Hussein has been deposed. It was reported extensively in the NYT after all.

Semanticleo

"Inevitably, I've been banned."

I've been banned @JOM, but I think Maguire sees more traffic when I comment.

Pragmatism for Righties.

Semanticleo

"It's the heart that pumps the blood to the head. He'll awaken in a brand new world, someday."

That's exactly the way I feel about you.

It's like the Trifecta. i know someday the odds are with me.

clarice

Oh my God, Hit.
PDNFFT!!!

ben

Semanticleo is lying through his teeth on the tax question. In fact all his posts are intellectually dishonest, rehashed premises that were long ago debunked. He knows darn well almost EVERY proposal Obama is making would need to be paid for in higher taxes, and he knows all the items on his anti-business agenda will end up costing consumers more money. We also know that an Obama Presidency and a Dem congress would be free to enact tax hikes at will. Raising taxes on businesses is the same as raising taxes on everyone. In addition Obama favors the death tax, which affects small businesses and farmers directly (not to mention it taxes people twice, they pay taxes/capital gains throughout their lives and then taxes them after death). How much would Obama's pro-union stance and protectionist trade policies cost consumers? Trial lawyers support Obama, they don't want tort reform, how much would higher insurance rates cost consumers? The idea that Obama's Presidency would not mean higher taxes for ALL Americans is so ridiculous it does not merit debate. If Semanticleo had any honesty, he would make the case for higher taxes on the basis that the results would be worth the pain. But that's such a hard case to make he prefers to quote the NYT and Newsweek as if these sources are not already in the tank for Obama's tax policy. It's akin to saying we should surrender in Iraq because the NYT and Newsweek support that policy.

kim

Here's Ring Lardner's commentary on our little tiffs:

Doc Crane advises marred couples to not both get mad at the same time, the old spoil sport. That was the trouble with Sharkey and Shmeling over in Long's island because Schmeling didn't lose his temper though the boys tell me he had even more reason than the saps that paid $55 for a ringside seat. They's no fun playing tennis unlest the guy on the other side of the net has got a racket and the same goes for a connubial quarl and my advice is for the husband to call up home just before he leave the office and ask the spouse if she is feeling brutal this evening and if she ain't she better be, because by the time he gets the right number they won't be nobody half to wait till dog days to see him froth at the mouth.
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Semanticleo

Alan Greenspan says......McCain is wrong....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a.BrvyBtV8CM

" Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the U.S. can't afford $3.3 trillion of tax cuts proposed by Republican presidential nominee John McCain without similar reductions in the federal budget.

Greenspan, a lifelong Republican and longtime friend of McCain, said on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital With Al Hunt'' that ``I'm not in favor of financing tax cuts with borrowed money.''

McCain has said he would balance the cost of most of his tax cuts with budget reductions, while providing few details beyond eliminating earmarks and other pork-barrel spending, which have totaled about $171 billion since 2001.......................Greenspan has said there's at least a 50 percent chance the U.S. economy will slide into a recession.

``There is no infinite piggy bank here,'' Greenspan said in the interview. It's ``far more important'' to use federal resources, if necessary, to shore up the financial system and end the credit crisis, as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson did in taking over mortgage-finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, averting a possible run on the system, Greenspan said."

daveinboca

He belongs back at the Daily News. or a permanent shrine on the bottom of a bird cage. He contributes less than nothing, alongside other johnny-one-note marxist-lite morons like Krugman & Rich & Modo Dodo, the wizened sybil whose botox face will soon explode. [she claimed the Fl-SecState in 2000 had "work done a half dozen times," but now Maureen has caught up. I can't wait for her to implode over Sarah in full reverse-botox mode.

sbw

Alan Greenspan says Obama is wrong.

matt

yahoo headlines says:

"Greenspan: Country can't afford McCain's tax cuts"

AP Article on Yahoo:

"No McCain tax cuts without spending cuts"

gee.....think someone purposely left out the rest of the quote and its context? Looks like Bloomberg did the same.

This has been part of McCain's message all along. We're in the middle of a war with pork barrel spending completely out of control with no new taxes and a spiraling deficit. Yes, it is conceivable taxes can be cut, but man, we gotta cut spending.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Is it sexist to call a woman an idiot?

I'd think twice before doing it to a self-described ballbuster.

Sara'tude

Ranger

Via Hot Air Headlines there is a great story at the http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2909844/Barack-Obama-under-fire-for-ignoring-advice-on-how-to-beat-John-McCain.html>Telegraph. Love this quote:

A Democratic National Committee official told The Sunday Telegraph: "I really find it offensive when Democrats ask the Republicans not to be nasty to us, which is effectively what Obama keeps doing. They know thats how the game is played."

And right on cue, the NYT comes along and says McCain is being nasty. If the NYT wants to know why the McCain campaign is playing hardball, maybe they should look at their own coverage. As Sound Politics points out in http://soundpolitics.com/archives/011530.html>The Cold, Hard Truth About Why Campaigns Get Ugly (quoting Politico):

In short: We wanted to run a different kind of campaign, but the press was enthralled with Obama so we had to savage him to get any attention. It worked, so we're going to keep it up and hope there is more upside in the meta message than downside in the cynical means used to drive that message.

If the NYT had give McCain's positive campaign the same kind of coverage they gave "the One's" McCain would have stayed on the high road.

ben

Greenspans comments are more of an indictment of Obama than McCain, since McCain is talking about budget reductions, not higher taxes. Obviously raising taxes during a recession is suicidal, and Obama has reluctantly acknowledged that. And in any event there is a HUGE difference arguing about how big the tax cuts should be, rather than how big the tax increases should be. There is nothing in Greenspan's comments that even remotely supports Obama's policies. But I am glad Semanticleo is taking economic advice from someone like Greenspan, if Obama pledges to do the same he might garner some much needed credibility on economic matters.

Dave

I thought that Miss Cleo's son only joined the Marines because he was addicted to Oxycontin™ for two years, and finally did what a lot of troubled kids do -- joined the military.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

State: Pennsylvania

Updated: 9/13/2008

Summary:
McCain - 49.1%
Obama - 44.3%
Not Sure/Other - 6.6%

_________________

Just goes to show that one Steelworker union member can be a force greater than all the Hahvahd/Columbia grads combined.

Jane

Really fun article (LUN) talking about how all the big dem party bigwigs are beside themselves that Obama is throwing this away.

Dan S

"Um, so is somebody going to tell Bob Herbert that Saddam Hussein is dead, and soldiers leaving now to go to Iraq won't have anything to do with fighting any forces controlled by him?

You'd think he would have gotten the news that Hussein has been deposed. It was reported extensively in the NYT after all.

Posted by: cathyf | September 13, 2008 at 05:14 PM "

Cathyf...

You know, they stopped paying attention to things in Iraq when it started going well. Been a long time since he's thought about it, so he naturally returned to the good old days when Saddam ruled his peaceful heaven on earth and all was hunky dorey for journalists (like CNN) over there.

It's a completely understandable mistake on his part! (As long as you're working from inside his worldview... really!)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Just to lighten the mood around here, read this, priceless!

Chuck Norris Smacks Down Arianna Huffington

Dan S

"...without similar reductions in the federal budget.

Posted by: Semanticleo | September 13, 2008 at 05:26 PM"

Gee, isn't that the other part of Mac's platform? Reform?

ben

McCain is an old out of touch warmonger who was so incompetent he was shot down and then faked his injuries at the Hanoi Hilton. He owns dozens of homes and pays no taxes on them, his wife is a drug addict. His running mate is a inexperienced gun toting wolf killing right wing trailer trash zealot, who wants to declare war on Russia on the first day on the job. She fired everyone who disagreed with her, she is too stupid to get an abortion, her daughter is a tramp.

McCain is running a nasty campaign.

PeterUK

Obama ignores campaign advice Great picture Obama and taxes.

Dan S

Great parody, ben!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

See the original link for more and I had to take most of the links out to clear TM's spam filter.

Chgo Sun-Times: 'Sarah Palin Makes Me Sick'

There's yet another reason Mitchell's feeling nauseated:

Sarah Palin makes me sick because although black Democrats have been responsible for giving white candidates the boost they needed to beat their Republican opponents in tight races, these voters are now being insulted by feminists who say they will cross over into the McCain camp because of her.

So we know Mitchell's primary symptom, but what's the underlying cause?  As it turns out, it's an all too common complaint among the many suffering from Palin Derangement Syndrome:

"Frankly, Sarah Palin scares me."

Don't feel lonely, Mary.  It's going around these days.

Former New York mayor Ed Koch says of Palin, "She scares the hell out of me."  Actor Matt Damon calls the GOP vice presidential candidate "terrifying."  New Republic editor Noam Scheiber writes:

The reason Palin scares me has more to do with mechanics than demographics: Palin is such a sensation, and draws such large crowds, that anything she says--particularly attacks on Obama--immediately become part of the campaign conversation.

 "Rock matriarch" - I guess that's a nice way of putting it - Sharon Osbourne admits, "I’m scared of that woman with the glasses and gun! Ugh!"       
And at a Web site that boasts "the latest in green gossip," we learn that singer Pink "is terrified of Sarah Palin, says she 'hates women.'"

The fear and terror engendered by Sarah Palin among Obamatons make Adrian Monk look like John Wayne.  Then again, this could be an opportunity.  Over at the official Barack Obama site, there's a group designated Pagans for Obama.  Perhaps the campaign could institute a group named Sissies for Obama.

Or would that be redundant?  

clarice

Ben, tell Axelrod that I said ,"guess which finger I'm holding up."

Porchlight

Well put, ben.

GMax

Insert "But" at the start of the last sentence and you have defined chutzpah to a T.

PeterUK

From the link.

"Party elders also believe the Obama camp is in denial about warnings from Democratic pollsters that his true standing is four to six points lower than that in published polls because of hidden racism from voters - something that would put him a long way behind Mr McCain.

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that senators, governors and union leaders who have experience of winning hard-fought races in swing states have been bombarding Obamas campaign headquarters with telephone calls offering advice. But many of those calls have not been returned.

A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph: "These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."

Danube of Thought

The only interesting question remaining about the forthcoming election is, how badly is this fraudulent empty suit going to hurt his party in congressional races?

Look for contested congressional Dems to stay away from him in droves.

I firmly believe that this election will be more fun than any I have ever witnessed--and that includes Ronaldus Maximus ousting the befuddled, confused simpleton Carter. (As one whose favorite pastime, indeed hobby, is gloating, that one remains in first place. Obviously, the triumphs over the bloated Gore and the phony hero Kerry are very close.)

ben

"Insert "But" at the start of the last sentence and you have defined chutzpah to a T."

Consider it done.

Captain Hate

Via Hot Air Headlines there is a great story at the Telegraph.

Why is it the Brit journos write so much more insightful reports of the election than Pinch Carpberger's crew of morons? Yes it was a rhetorical question.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The St. Petersburg Times reports:

Barack Obama could be on the verge of falling out of contention in Florida.

Despite spending an estimated $8-million on campaign ads in America's biggest battleground state and putting in place the largest Democratic campaign organization ever in Florida, Obama has lost ground over the summer. Florida has moved from a toss-up state to one that clearly leans toward John McCain, fueling speculation about how much longer the Democratic nominee will continue investing so heavily in the state.

McCain now leads in Florida by five to eight points in most polls.

JM Hanes

Jane:

Haven't enjoyed reading anything I enjoyed as much a that Telegraph article in days! And a prettier piece of blame shifting would be hard to find, wouldn't it? Obama is underestimating the Bradley effect! Now there's a cris de coeur. What we won't hear them acknowledging, of course, is that they have only themselves to blame. They were so dazzled by Obama's fundraising skilz, they let him take over the party.

So, who do we think this guy is?

A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph: "These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They're the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won't accept that they are losing and they won't listen."
Carville? Wouldn't Schrum (sp?) be too perfect?

PeterUK

Captain Hate.

This one

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Bill Clinton?

Dan S

JMH...

Come on, we KNOW who it is: Karl Rove! :)

Amazing what computers can do to disguise voices these days!

JM Hanes

Sara:

If I were Obama, I'm not sure I'd be taking Bill Clinton's advice, would you? LOL. Sarah Terror reminds me of something....Ah, yes:

We know what the Republicans are going to do! They're going to try to make me look scary!

Ranger

A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns

My bet is on Carville. I don't think he worked on Gore's campaign and I know he didn't work on Kerry's. Shrum has managed 7 losing campaigns if IRCC. Carville has legitimacy as a source on this because he actually won two.

Jim

PDNFFT, as clarice said.

Protein Wisdom's roaches were fed. As a result the landlord has lost good tenants.

PeterUK

OBAMA - OH BUMMER !

clarice

Very good, as usual, ranger.

I am AlGore's hairy backfat

Semen Leo! (We've missed you at PW)

Alan Greenspan said the U.S. can't afford $3.3 trillion of tax cuts proposed by Republican presidential nominee John McCain without similar reductions in the federal budget.

How is Obambi paying for his "middle-class taxcut"?

--Taxing the 'rich'? Okay.

How does Obambi pay for his "health care plans?

--Taxing those same rich people...

How does Obambi pay for his education initiatives?

Taxing the same rich people some more.

Where does his "fiscal discipline" come from?

--Taxing poor people.

Where is Obambi getting the money for his Healthcare plans?

--Taxing everybody.

Maybe we should just go ahead and kill Gates, Buffett, Jobs, etc.- and simply seize everything they own. (I just balanced the budget!)

We'll worry about 'next year'... next year!

Have you ever seen a Democratic "tax plan" that will attack the Kennedy family's net worth?

TMF

Greenspan has publicly endorsed McCain, indicating that McCains Reagan like domestic policy would be superior to that of Barak Hussein Ayers Wright Obama

Nice try, wingys

clarice

I believe the UK Times also has a great piece on the disarray in O's camp with similar quotes from inside his campaign.

Danube of Thought

Each new group of losers they trot out seems more offensive than its predecessor. After seeing the corpulent, graceless Gore denied in 2000, I thought there could never be a jollier cause for gloat-dancing. Then came the fraudulent Kerry, reporting for duty, and I found myself strutting about like a drum major at the head of a Midwestern football power's marching band, cackling with glee while kicking my heels up high.

But I now recognize that this one is going to be the very sweetest of all of them. Oh, how I loathe these people! Oh, the contempt in which I hold them! I almost wish that they could be more worthy adversaries, but they can't--they're simply too stupid.

By God, this is rich.

clarice

Here's the UK Times piece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4749000.ece>Panicland

centralcal

JMH: I linked the same article on another thread. My guess is that it is not Shrum - what a loser, plus he has failed at numerous campaigns, not merely TWO!

Could be Carville, but the quote sounds too sane, yet - I guess he only "sounds" insane when their is audio of his words. Written, they may come across a little more ....(can't find a word that would fit Carville.)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

If I were Obama, I'm not sure I'd be taking Bill Clinton's advice, would you?

I'm already convinced that in the privacy of the voting booth, neither Clinton will be pulling the Obama lever.

Jane

Too bad Obama canceled his appearance on SNL. I was so looking forward to mocking him.

M. Simon

leo,

It is easy to leave your son out of it. You don't have one.

And BTW girleo, when you going to man up and apologize?

Dan S

It looks like the distance across the Atlantic is giving the Brit papers better perspective. Or they're just ahead of our papers temporally due to being east a quarter news cycle.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

So why is it again that Obama made that trip to Pakistan?

They Really Are Deranged: Yes, Enough Is Enough

Dan S

Interesting...

"Sarah Palin, 44, continued to scythe..."

Why are these articles commonly citing Sarah's age? I haven't noted that with the other candidates.

PeterUK

From Clarice's link,

"Mark Penn, Clinton’s former chief strategist, said: “The media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they’re not doing on the other candidates. People are going to conclude that they’re giving her a rougher time. This is an election in which the voters are going to decide for themselves.”

Getting too obvious when even opponents notice the bias.

Captain Hate

Could be Carville, but the quote sounds too sane, yet - I guess he only "sounds" insane when their is audio of his words. Written, they may come across a little more ....(can't find a word that would fit Carville.)

Unserpentine?

JM Hanes

I like a man who's not afraid to gloat!

centralcal:

Carville has always struck me as the sanest among them. He's political to the core, but he's not stupid. Being married to Mary Matalin, his polar opposite, speaks volumes, IMO. I also don't think he does pure sleaze like Begala, or lies like Wolfson. I pretty much figured that Hillary only sent Wolfson out to do battle when she needed someone who would lie through his teeth for her. Now that he's commenting at Fox, he actually seems to have some interesting things to say -- but maybe that's just because he never caught the Obamabug.

bunky

All you gotta do is look at a five year chart of the NYT stock price. And then picture Pinchy running the slalom (Sp?) down it.

JM Hanes

Obama really cancelled SNL? Any hope that will inspire a skit all it's own. Or maybe the Obama Guy will fill in for him!

centralcal

Very true, PUK.

George W. Bush, bless his heart, was supposed to lose by a tidal wave in 2004. The pollsters kept telling us so. The media kept telling us so. The movie stars kept telling us so.

Well, we know how that all worked out. This election is still in a state of flux, but I see the same old playbook by the libs as I have seen most of my adult life. It is not looking like a winning ticket.

Time will tell, obviously, but I think Sarah Palin has struck a new note in the symphony. No one on our side, much less the opposing side quite knows what the melody is gonna turn out to be. For me, I am praying that we are on God's side!!!!

JM Hanes

I believe that most of the commentary in Brit papers that we like so much is written by their correspondents in Washington. I doubt it's the distance as much as it is not being smitten by the pols who surround them -- or perhaps not feeling they have a political stake in the outcomes.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I know I'm an "idiot," but will someone explain in simple language why one cancels an appearance on a TV show shot "live from New York" because of a hurricane in Galveston, TX?

centralcal

JMH: Oh the curse words I have hurled at Wolfsen over the years (remember when he always had the 5 o'clock shaddow back in 2004?). Terry McAuliffe is a Class A imbecile. But, I am finding Wolfsen strangely human, now that he doesn't have a horse in the race and, I agree, that he actually has some interesting things to say as an analyst.

Carville is a political animal. I can excuse him some of his more outrageous nonsense, because I think he lives and breathes strategy. Much like his wife. Anyone on the Dim side who doesn't listen to Carville is probably a loser - like I am hoping Axelrod is. grin.

Porchlight

I thought it was Shrum, too, on first reading. It sounds like him. But I did wonder at the "two campaigns" thing. Seems like he has been a "senior Dem strategist" since before I was born.

Also if there are others out there besides me who are obsessively refreshing the RCP "Latest Polls" page, what did you think of the mention of the internal polling showing the Bradley effect at 4-6 points?

JM Hanes

A couple of days ago, I got yet another letter from a New York in-law about yet another "disturbing" story on McCain in the NY Times. Instead of taking on the duty of debunking it this time, though, it suddenly occurred to me that he lived in a blue, blue state, so there really wasn't any reason to bother. It was like an instant anger management course, because it suddenly occurred to me that the Times probably has a blue, blue readership too. Let them eat their cake, and have it too!

PDinDetroit

About the political gimme for Obama...

The whole thing reminds me of Caddyshack: The priest who was playing the best game of his life saying "God wouldn't interrupt the BEST GAME OF HIS LIFE". He makes impossible shot after impossible shot. When faced with finishing the game, he falls one shot short of the course record and gets struck by lightning.

Later, we see the priest at the bar. He emphatically states "There is no God" and "I'm just a man, same as you".

I wonder if Obama is starting to feel this way already and it ain't even November 4th yet...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

There are two types of female in America.

Women

and

Asexual Feminists

Feminists purport to speak for women.

Women disagree and say, "thanks, but no thanks, we are quite capable of speaking for ourselves."

My money this round is on the women.

PDinDetroit

Sara - Bloom is off the rose and Mr Fish would upstage him just by being on the show...

PeterUK

"what did you think of the mention of the internal polling showing the Bradley effect at 4-6 points?"

Obama need to start looking at the Community Organiser vacancies.

centralcal

Re: The Bradley effect -I think it should be factored in. But what about the weighting that pollster do. I have to wonder if their weighting ratios are relevent any longer.

Jane

I know I'm an "idiot," but will someone explain in simple language why one cancels an appearance on a TV show shot "live from New York" because of a hurricane in Galveston, TX?

He thinks he is copying McCain.

Jane

We also have to factor in ACORN.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Jane: You mean he is trying to make us think he cares what happens to a bunch of redneck Texas cowboys and wildcatters?

ben

Carville is a good bet because he is not afraid to admit it when things are not going well. He wore a brown paper bag over his head on national TV one election night when the Dems got trashed. And he obviously thought Hillary was a better bet.

bunky

Factor in ACORN and the pre-loaded Dem votes in Detroit, Philly, etc, etc. If it's close, we lose.

JM Hanes

Jane:

"I was so looking forward to mocking him."

Speaking of mockery, it's been a long time since the horde did a field trip. Why should lefty trolls have all the fun?

I am AlGore's hairy backfat

Jim

Protein Wisdom's roaches were fed. As a result the landlord has lost good tenants.

It's a damn shame that some people are actually afraid of roaches. After all, they are simply an example of 'evolution' finding a niche for a shit eating bug.

1) I never "engage" a roach- I will do a "stomp" if I'm the first to see it- any other replys to the same roach is 'overkill'.

2) I usually just ignore them... I've actually lived down South in some crappy apartments- you cannot kill all the roaches without 'nuking them from orbit'. (It's the only way to be sure!)

Roaches can supposedly live for 2 weeks on the glue from a postage stamp... but, they will eventually die if you just. quit. feeding. them.!

3)If you must interact with the roaches- try throwing some "poisoned" bait.

They seem happy for a while- but if they ever ingest your information, they will soon die in complete anonimity!

4)I love my "scrolling" trackball- When I see a 'roach' dropping- I just wheel right by...


Regards,
Fletch

Sue

I think I've weathered the storm. We didn't lose electricity but did lose internet service which is spotty as the rain comes and goes.

I loved the Xena article.

Danube of Thought

There will be a bit of a hiatus here, while your narrator watches the Mighty Golden Trojans of USC lay the wood to the once-proud Buckeyes of Ohio State.

We now enter radio silence.

Porchlight

I just thought it was interesting that the Bradley effect was being discussed in such specifics behind the scenes.

I have a different interpretation of the Bradley effect than the media does. Out-and-out racists are not going to have a problem telling pollsters that they're not voting for the black candidate. They're already being polled accurately. I think it's the people who have other, non-race-related reasons for not voting for Obama, but are afraid of being *perceived* as racist, who cause the distortion.

That might be why there have been several polls where McCain's favorables outstrip Obama's, but Obama still comes out a point or two ahead when people are asked how they will vote. It is happening over and over again. Maybe this is the Bradley effect.

PeterUK

Gordon Brown an Obama supporter should be advised not to go abroad on the Rialto

PDinDetroit

DoT - I hope USC kicks the crap out of Ohio State!

Sue

what did you think of the mention of the internal polling showing the Bradley effect at 4-6 points?

They weren't quoting me, but that is what I've been saying all along. People were lying to the pollsters or they were exaggerating for him. Either way, I told my husband last night that if Obama wasn't ahead in swing states by 5 points, he wasn't ahead.

Pon

There is no God because the priest knew that it was Lucifer who was helping him. He lost the course record by one point and that should have paid, but he had to get hit by lighting too, so he's just like everyone else.

Carville was Clintoon's lucifer. He did all the killing, etc.

AIG and Lehman want some of that free foreign cash with Treasury backing. Think they're saying they waited too long? They should go down anyway because they need the bailout now and no one is there. Holbrooke can bail them out , he's made millions off people's lives.

The 'community organizer' federal service worker thing won't pay out because the politicians want to keep the people poor. Jobs for 6 months or a year and a stipend. If they paid like everyone else in the federal government it would stop keeping the poor poor and that is bad. We need to term limit Congress and get them on a stipend until they understand. Americorps service is the same as any other federal employee. They need equality and maybe a union.

Porchlight

Glad you came through okay, Sue. I missed hearing from you earlier today and wondered if your internet was out.

We didn't get a drop of rain - I wasn't looking for anything major, but was hoping for at least a short drenching.

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