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September 13, 2008

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DrJ

sbw,

Not one thing that they offer, seems to ever have worked over the long term in practice. Nothing seems more than a sop to get by until the next election. Nothing seems to have principle behind it. Everything is a cris de coeur, but passion isn't an answer.

Damn. Where can I get your paper? I have settled for the WSJ and the Economist, but I would love to add the voice of yours.

Ralph L

The plan ahead factor keeps the college vote low
Yeah, that got me in 1980. But my excuse was that Dad retired from active duty that summer, so I wasn't sure when I switched from NC to VA residency (while going to school in NC).

kim

That's a very good point about understanding, sbw, and it's connected with why his rhetoric grates on me. Maybe I get around it because Leo and I do have a rough understanding. This is it: He gives me great clues to the mind of a leftist, and I hope I give him clues to the mind of a wingnut. It's a non-standard sort of way to get understanding in discourse, but it works for us.

Remember Ring Lardner's 'marred couple'. That's us.
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Porchlight

bad,

Thanks for the link. That Ryan Lizza article was criminally ignored in the kerfluffle over the magazine cover.

kim

Dang, much better would be 'great clues to the mind of moonbat, and . . . . .clues to the ways of a wingnut'.
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Ralph L

from Newsweak:
But then I started campaigning for the United States Senate, and at that point I was in church every Sunday, maybe two, three churches a Sunday, but they weren't Trinity—because that was one of the most effective ways for us to campaign and reach out to people
So much for separation of Church and State. At what point would he compromise their tax-exempt status?

Captain Hate

There will be a bit of a hiatus here, while your narrator watches the Mighty Golden Trojans of USC lay the wood to the once-proud Buckeyes of Ohio State.

Is 35-3 early in the 4th quarter adequate?

Moptop

Obama has a plan for national security. If the Russians start acting up, he is going to call on his legions of internet posters to go over to the Russian blogs and let 'em have it.

"Cry havoc, and unleash the blogs of war!"

But seriously, using the IRS against enemies? And this is the guy we want to give the awesome power of the presidency to? Cripes. I would rather have a caretaker like McCain in there.

Jane

Charlie,

First of all you rock. Every time you are mentioned, I beam with pride.

Secondly, I finally think I understand the Ooda loop, and what's more, I think I've been employing it for years. Now, thanks to you - and others, I'm going to start being more conscious about it.

So thanks.

kim

Maualuga must be monstrous.
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kim

Moptop, just before and during the Georgian excursion there was a domestic and international internet disinformation campaign launched by the Russians. It was scary to watch, because it's an OODA loop sort of thing that we do not employ, yet.
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bad

Porchlight

I've often thought the article was more shocking to regular readers of The New Yorker than the cover. And therefore greatly ignored. Yet it is worth the time investment to read it all carefully.

DrJ

just before and during the Georgian excursion there was a domestic and international internet disinformation campaign launched by the Russians. It was scary to watch...

Absolutely right. You saw that if you read Belmont Club. Stunning.

kim

Yep, that's where I saw it. It wasn't very subtle, but the waves propagating into the American blogosphere often sharpened it up and made it subtle. There was a commenter here whom I half suspected of being an unwitting victim of it, and that one's commentary was subtle.
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Moptop

"The Audacity of Hope" Wasn't that a line from Rev Wright? The one Obama never listened to in his racist, hateful rantings?

RichatUF

Since someone was getting into Obama's head with the "we are losing" articles, I thought this would make a nice palate cleanser

graf-

Sarah Palin makes me sick because although black Democrats have been responsible for giving white candidates the boost they needed to beat their Republican opponents in tight races, these voters are now being insulted by feminists who say they will cross over into the McCain camp because of her.

That ought to win over the 35+ demographic, call 'em racist instead of figuring out Obama is an effete, corrupt, Chicago pol.

And while 7-year-old Piper Palin gave the world a fuzzy moment on stage at the convention when she licked her hand and smoothed her baby brother's hair, and when Bristol, 17 and pregnant, held Trig against her chest while her mother shook the hands of adoring fans, I couldn't help but wonder what it's really like for these kids.

There is a lot of ugliness building up on the left.

bad

More from The New Yorker: LUN

During this period, Obama also became more of a strategist, someone increasingly comfortable discussing the finer points of polls, message, and fund-raising. According to his friends, Obama does not delegate campaign planning.

Remember this article when Axlerod is blamed for the tabloid strategy used by the Obama campaign in regard to Palin and her family.

Top dems are worried about the Obama campaign blowing a no-brainer. Now they know who to blame.

Rick Ballard

"I think I've been employing it for years."

Jane,

Everybody has. It's the element of timing and the thought that as long as you decide correctly before your opponent, everything is OK, that is misunderstood. In order for the tactic to have maximum effectiveness, the Decision/Act has to be taken fast enough so that the opponents Orientation is disrupted.

The selection of Palin isn't really within OODA parameters because the Orientation disruption was actually caused by a complete failure of preparation for the contingency of her selection on the part of the Obama campaign. They still haven't recovered from the surprise and the McCain campaign has effectively employed the OODA tactic in exploiting the Obama campaign's disorientation.

The incompetence shown by the Obama campaign by not compiling an adequate dossier on Palin is actually clear evidence of lack of executive ability on the part of people Obama has chosen to conduct the most serious endeavor in which he has ever been involved. Obama flunkies spout that running the campaign is evidence of his executive ability. That's specious nonsense in that Axelgrease and Souffle are the 'management team'. The key to Obama's lack of executive skill lies in the fact that he selected the team.

He's getting what he deserves for the poor choice today and he'll keep getting it every day from now until November 4th. There is absolutely no excuse for not having a dossier on every person visited by Team McCain's vetting people. None.

BTW - the DA part of that loop seems to be busted at Team Obama and I don't believe that they have any spare parts on hand nor even the address of the store where the parts might be found.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Palimania Spreads-- 10,000 Show Up For 3,500 Seats in Carson City

clarice

Rick, almost as bad as the failure to anticipate Palin's selection is this: Knowing they couldn't run on experience, they picked something goofy like "change" for which there was no evidence that he had ever effected it anywhere--the selection of Palin allowed McCain to steal the very raison d'etre of their campaign and they don't have another theme they can figure out to use.

ian cormac

Is it bad form to attack Semantic's family because of any dispute we may have with their debating style. That would put us in the same shoes as those we are rightly criticizing. That would be like like criticizing my brother who's in the 101st
AB over any point I was making. It is right to point out the flawed nature of said arguments. I have lost most respect I ever had for James Webb; for basically taking the Iranian and Syrian side in Iraq; but I have the utmost respect for James jr's service.

As expected the Palin parody was as unsubtle
as they could possibly make it. The last time they gambled on a stereotype so poorly
they had West Virginia as a nest of neo-nazis on the West Wing (Excerpting Gauletier
Cornelius Sales aka Robert Byrd,)that
probably had a good deal in turning West, Virginia, red the following term.

The whole kerfluffle over the Bush Doctrine,
leaves me a little surprised; her answer encompassed supporting democracies, like Georgia and Ukraine; that was a centerpiece of the Olive and Cedar revolutions establishing alliances to curtail authoritarian powers. The fact that Obama &
Biden, don't realize the consequences of their position (much like those weak kneed
figures, who voted for the aUMF; isn't Palin's problem.

It's of a piece with the observation that Robert Kagan; made about the realists surrounding the Russian invasionofGeorgia; they were awfully sentimental, and ignorant of national interest considerations; totally unlike what Morgenthau would have counseled.

RichatUF

bad-

Remember this article when Axlerod is blamed for the tabloid strategy used by the Obama campaign in regard to Palin and her family.

The MSM will never admit that Axelrod's astroturfing strategy failed. Look at all those "panic" articles that circulated today: "Bradley Effect"=>Racism. Axelrod only knows how to do one thing well-getting black mayors elected in black plurality cities using racial scare tactics. His notable other sucess outside his usual practice, Gov. Spitzer, which didn't work out so well.

bad

Rich

I figured it would be other dem strategists pointing the fingers after Obama loses in Novemeber. MSM will blame Rove. Obama does in every speech.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

What's really hilarious is that the swan dive into the gutter on Palin is like strangling all the fluffy bunnys and shooting the unicorn in front of the dimwits who bought in on 'Hope and Change' back when he was scamming them with "we are the ones we've been waiting for".

He clubbed them pretty hard with the Biden pick - nobody has ever been waiting for Slojo to show up - and now he's dogpaddling around in the sewer, going low after Palin.

I'll be the first to admit that you have to be pretty stupid to bite on "Hope and Change" but nobody is stupid enough to buy it after the past two weeks.

I've been leary about the shift in sentiment but I'm becoming less leary every day. Palin grabbed the cycle for next week with her appearance with Hannity and Gibson actually set up a much higher level of interest in her appearance than would have happened had not gone in the tank for Obama. Them librul interlekshoeals shur are smart.

Gekkobear

Leo, nice piece on Palin in Alaska... you may be correct, maybe she's worse than the guys from the Senate.

Let's see, her approval rating from her constituents was between 64 and 80% positive depending on the poll and timing:
http://ballotbox.governing.com/2008/09/does-sarah-pali.html

Where's the Senate at?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html#polls
Wow, Congress is all the way up to 23% approval? That's up from when I last checked.

Yep, I agree; she is horrifically unpopular. Only about 3 times as popular as the Democrat majorities in the House and Senate.

If only she was running against them she'd have a much better time. What jobs do Obama and Biden have again?

Ralph L

That Palin-Hillary bit has been the only part of the show that's been slightly funny.
There was a long skit that was an unfunny snear at religious home-schoolers.

Rocco

What has Obama ever accomplished without the help of Affirmative Action. After High School, he attended a mediocre Occidental College and then transferred to Columbia University two years later. He graduated in 1983 with a BA and entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In his first year, Obama decided to enter the competition for the prestigious Harvard Law Review. But what qualified Obama for this exclusive club? The Washington Post offers a clue.

“But he was also among the most driven in his class. In his first year, he entered the competition for the law review, one of the country's premier scholarly law journals and, for the students who select, edit and write articles, a ticket to a high-powered legal or academic career. To become an editor of the law review was grueling: If you were impossibly smart, you might qualify through grades, but most editors were selected through an exhausting multi-day writing process, their output judged by the current editors. There was also a highly secretive process by which a few students were chosen based at least in part on race. Obama, says one classmate, was never suspected of making law review because of his race.”

The following year, Obama decided to run for president of the Harvard Law Review…on the eve of the election! This doesn’t sound like the cream of the crop Harvard Law student who aspires to intern for Supreme Court Justices. From NYMag.com.

“The truth is more complicated. The night before the review editors would need to declare if they were entering the race, a handful of Obama’s friends had dinner at his apartment in Somerville. Among them was Kenneth Mack, now a professor at the law school, and an older student named Vince Eagan. Among blacks on the law review there had been a concerted effort to attain positions as officers. After dinner, Obama mentioned to Eagan that he was considering seeking the presidency. You should go for it, Eagan said. “I think you should kick that door in.” According to Mack, “That was when Barack decided.”

So in an era when Affirmative Action ruled the day, Obama entered a renowned university known for grade inflation and made his way to the very top. I’d just like to know what it was he did to get there. I’ve posed this question before and I pose it again. If you should be so unfortunate as to find yourself facing a crime that you’re innocent of, which Harvard graduate would you choose to represent you? The one who earned the grade or the one who was given the grade. I suspect Mr. Herbert was a victim of that era too.

clarice

Rick:"the swan dive into the gutter on Palin is like strangling all the fluffy bunnys and shooting the unicorn in front of the dimwits who bought in on 'Hope and Change' back when he was scamming them with "we are the ones we've been waiting for".This is so wonderful I'd steal it from you but I think Tom has instituted a three strikes and you're out policy so something.

clarice

**policy OR something****

clarice

Rocco, there's enormous grade inflation all around the country in the social sciences--even at Ivies like Columbia. It is impossible to do the work and belong at that school and NOT graduate with honors when your major was, as he said his was, poli sci. Impossible.

I do not know if there is grade inflatipn at HLS, however. The university does not release grades to anyone even potential employers so it seems pointless in any event.

Rocco

Clarice

According to Professor Harvey Mansfield they do.

I know I had that Boston Globe article but I can't seem to find it now.

DebinNC

Rather than feature one of the many smiling pics of the beautiful Palin visiting troops in Kuwait and Germany, CNN picked this one to illustrate their latest Palin "lie".

FWIW, Palin never claimed to have visited Iraq.

GIBSON: Did you ever travel outside the country prior to your trip to Kuwait and Germany last year?

PALIN: Canada. Mexico. And then, that trip that was a trip of a lifetime, to visit troops in Kuwait and stop and visit injured soldiers in Germany. That was a trip of a lifetime. And it changed my life.

Elliott

Remember this article when Axlerod is blamed for the tabloid strategy used by the Obama campaign in regard to Palin and her family.

While it would be unfair to blame Dean, the choice of dates for the convention did not turn out well.

Had the Democrats convened at the end of July or in the first week of August, Obama's late July itinerary would likely not have included Berlin, the press would have spent at least a week basking in the afterglow of his speech accepting the nomination of his party a speech that rivaled those of Cicero and Pericles, and McCain would have been getting about as much coverage as Bob Barr and Ralph Nader.

Instead, McCain was able to astound distract the Gang of 500 from Obama's peroration of the previous evening by unleashing the Palinatrix on the America. And within five days, Obama's star was eclipsed by the SarahPture.

HMI

She has supported the teaching of intelligent design in public schools, alongside evolution.
But that is false.>>

Nope, that is unfortunately true. Perhaps Herbert isn't the only one who needs a fact checker:

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html

MayBee

HMI- she went on to say it needn't be a part of the curriculum. Furthermore, she has never done anything to promote the teaching of creation in the classroom. Not as PTA member, not as mayor, and not as Governor.

Fact check mate.

Jim Rhoads aka Vnjagvet

MayBee, thanks for being ever vigilant. I couldn't come up with the "rest of the story" fast enough.

What do these fools think they accomplish by posting half truths?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

In previous discussions, Palin was much more precise. She has said pretty clearly that she thinks science/evolution should be taught, but that if questions arise then discussion should be allowed and encouraged about creation and intelligent design. I don't at all disagree with this position, but then I'm one who thinks the only bad question is the one that is never asked. And to try to mandate that certain question should not be asked or answered goes against everything that I believe is right.

Schools should teach kids how to think, not what to think. All ideas and beliefs should be open for discussion and debate.

Cecil Turner

Yeah, and the follow-on discussion was even less objectionable:

In a subsequent interview with the Daily News, Palin said discussion of alternative views on the origins of life should be allowed in Alaska classrooms. "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum," she said.

"It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion."

Actually fairly mainstream. Compared with the unfortunate tendency of evolution teaching in elementary school to come across as "ignore all that silly nonsense in the Bible, and you can tell your parents it's hokum," this is not exactly repugnant to middle America.

Neo
"We’re going to have a bold energy plan that says that we are going to reduce our dependence on foreign oil by 20 or 30 percent over the course of a decade or two. We are going to ask all citizens to participate in that process, not just government, but each and every one of us are going to have — are going to make commitments in terms of increasing fuel efficiency in our cars and homes, and the government is going to be in partnership with citizens to make that happen.." -- Obama at Columbia

Interesting that virtually nobody seemed to notice this metric.

With all the ads from people telling us ... independent in 10 years,
with the US 70% dependent on foreign oil .. it will be at least 3 or 4 decades to be independent.

With cries for "energy independence" dating back to before Carter, somehow Obama's plan doesn't seem very bold and it certainly isn't independence any time soon. It may slow the bleeding, but it really underscores the necessity of opting for all energy sources.

nlcatter

I admit middle america 50% believes in creationism
who said that groups had any intellgence?

Cecil Turner

There is plenty of room between "intelligent design"/"creationism," and "atheism." Most of us have very little problem living there, especially when raising children.

Like "age appropriate" HIV education for kindergartners, some things are better left for later stages.

daddy

I finally heard Joe Biden's comment that Hilary is as qualified or even "more qualified" to be Vice President than himself. Seeing that he has been in the Senate for 30 some years and she has been in the Senate for about 6, do any of you know what other qualifications he was thinking about that would make her "more qualified" than himself? I would love for some reporter to stick a microphone in his face and doggedly press him on exactly that question. If it isn't Senate experience, then what's left; Health Care Debacle?, Sleeping with the President?, writing It Takes a Village?.

If she is more qualified than him to be Vice President, and it isn't Senate Experience, then exactly what are those qualifications, and why are those qualifications any better or any different than Sarah Palin's qualifications? I'd love to hear the answer to that.

Crusader

I agree, ignore the stupid troll. I mean why does he post 100 times when he knows nobody will respond.

Jane

Now Daddy, Hillary was married to a president. I'm sure Biden bought into that a as a qualification like other Hillary supporters do.

I'm watching the 5:30 AM edition of the Chris Matthews show. Katty Kay of the BBC - who has 4 children - the youngest is 2, is complaining that Palin is taking the choice to not work so hard away from women because of her over-accomplishments. Now all those male bosses will expect far too much of their employees.

It's sort of fun to watch the panel twist themselves into pretzels.

Jane

Oh, and Good Morning!

M. Simon

Bad,

Thanks for the link. I lived through those years in Wriglyville. It brought back memories.

M. Simon

Yep, that's where I saw it. It wasn't very subtle, but the waves propagating into the American blogosphere often sharpened it up and made it subtle. There was a commenter here whom I half suspected of being an unwitting victim of it, and that one's commentary was subtle.

Kim,

Do you mean me? I was aware of it from the beginning. It wasn't until Michael Totten's piece came out that the details became clear. But it was obvious from a military perspective that the Russian operation was preplanned.

M. Simon

Top dems are worried about the Obama campaign blowing a no-brainer. Now they know who to blame.

A certain Austrian Corporal had the same problem. His early successes gained by defying conventional wisdom went to his head. It ended badly for him.

Say hasn't there been a video going viral superimposing one on the other? I thought it most ironic.

M. Simon

The tabloid strategy worked against Jack Ryan.

M. Simon

Good Morning Jane!

kim

No, Simon, it was someone else.
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PeterUK

Semanticleo is perfect analogue of the Obama campaign.She just lifts quotes from the Democrat propaganda book and reguritates them here.
Not a single original though of her own,a complete fake like her anointed one Barraq Hussein OBoloney.
No wonder Obama's numbers are dropping like a turd from a 747.Supporters like Semanticleo must be losing the Holy O voters by the minute.
Keep it up Septic,the cheque from Karl will be with you next week.

M. Simon

538

The crushing has started. What was a trickle is starting to look like a landslide.

MP - 289.8 &emptyB - 248.2

MP - 57% &emptyB - 43%

No wonder the Ds are panicking. 52 days to go.

With a 14 point lead the "everybody is doing it" factor will kick in.

We still need to act and work like we are 10 points down - Cong. races mates. Cong. races.

M. Simon

MP - 57% ∅B - 43% is win%

MP - 50.7% ∅B - 48.3% is popular vote.

Pagar

Good Morning Jane, and all!
I can't imagine that Chris Mathews at 530 AM would make my day better- reading JOM usually does.

Jane

I can't imagine that Chris Mathews at 530 AM would make my day better-

Well if wanting to reach into the TV and wring someone's neck as motivation for hopping out of bed while it's still dark, it worked pretty well.

kim

Welll, it wasn't Leo, either.

icecap.us has a couple of interesting articles today, one by Vaclav Klaus and the other by Michael J. Fox.
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PeterUK

Mr Ballard,
"Given mushmouth stumblebum's "my muslim faith" remark to Stephanopoulos in a softball setting,"

That wasn't a Freudian slip that was the true believer Barraq Hussein Obama.Imagine someone of any other faith having another faith at the front of their consciousness.Not going to happen is it?

M. Simon

BTW a look at 538 tracking over the last few months shows the MP rise at a very steep slope post convention which has yet to level off.

∅ looked like he had a 1 point convention bounce. And then the roof caved in. It takes a while for social networking to ripple through the population. Once people are back at work this week we should get a better handle. Church on Sunday. Work on Monday.

Over/Under on when Shrinking Media (America) goes after ∅ for being such a loser? A trickle has started. When does it become a theme?

Bob

Boy I've been away so long I forgot how dopey Semi-cleo can be!

So is this liberal panic the "Change we've been waiting For"... oh right it's NEED now!

Anyway Septic, when do we start hearing about all you fools moving to Canada? I know it's still to early but with real estate so cheap it may make sense to beat the crowds like last time!

Captain Hate

As expected the Palin parody was as unsubtle as they could possibly make it.

When was the last time SNL was any good? At the risk of sounding like I'm trying too hard to justify my nic, even when it was purportedly "edgy" I considered it an embarrassing waste of time for anybody with a functioning cortex.

M. Simon

Roseann Rosandana was pretty good. But that was a long time ago.

clarice

Good Morning J.O.M.!! Keep those votes coming.

Extraneus

Regarding Biden's statement that Hillary is more qualified than he is to be VP, etc., and the suspicion that it could only be her experience as the wife of a president that explains his statement, count me in on the thinking. I know it's easy to ridicule the thought that this somehow qualifies her for executive office, and that Brett Favre's wife wouldn't have much chance in the NFL, but that's not a fair comparison.

At large corporations, when the higher ups discover a young up-and-comer, they often pluck him or her out of their job and put them "on staff" to a senior manager. The job entails mostly mundane stuff like reading the mail, helping coordinate the calendar, taking notes of assignments the senior manager hands out at meetings, etc. This staff assignment allows the acolyte to see what goes on at the pinnacle of the organization, to get an understanding of the types of styles used by the most successful managers, etc. Then, when they are sent back down into the depths of the organization (typically at a higher level than before the staff assignment), the golden boy or girl has a leg up on others competing on the ladder of success. They can style their approach to their jobs in ways they know to be successful, and they have a much deeper appreciation for what it takes to be on top.

I think the experience Hillary had as the wife of the president was much more relevant than Biden's experience bloviating for 35 years in the Senate. I also think that a sitting governor would be more prepared than either of them to take over the big job in an emergency.

Dan S

"Rick, almost as bad as the failure to anticipate Palin's selection is this: Knowing they couldn't run on experience, they picked something goofy like "change" for which there was no evidence that he had ever effected it anywhere--the selection of Palin allowed McCain to steal the very raison d'etre of their campaign and they don't have another theme they can figure out to use.

Posted by: clarice | September 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM"

Clarice,

I'm not sure you're suggesting they picked "change" because there's no trail, but I first read it that way. Which leads me to the thought that he went with the strategy he knows. As a community organizer wasn't he giving people hope that things could change, and promising they would? It never did, but that worked for him, it appears. It lead to his election at the local level.

What he probably didn't figure out it that what worked was his engagement of the voters. They knew him, to a degree trusted that he was looking out for their interests, or maybe was just the devil they knew.

This is exactly the dynamic that is working for Sarah on the larger stage. She connects better, she engages better, and people instinctively (on the whole) trust her due to the authenticity she projects.

I suspect those abilities, which Obama does share to some degree, are too linked to race for him. He's always set up an us-them dichotomy along racial (or at a minimum underclass-otherclass) lines. Sarah's works on a common man versus fat cat (not in the rich sense, but in the sense of moneyed power) dichotomy. A lot more of us relate to that than Obama's because both the underclass and the fat cat class here are very small as a percentage of voters.

Of course, the hardcore ideologues are left out of all this. Their positions (and I suspect you and I and a lot of JOMers fall into this classification) are predetermined by other things.

"Teh narrative" is only important as it reinforces or impedes this dynamic at the candidate's personal level. Obama's did as long as he wasn't up against a candidate where his own narrative fit better, then that mantle slid right off his shoulders and onto hers.

I thought this was going to be a boring election. Boy was I wrong.

SunnyDay
I've been leary about the shift in sentiment but I'm becoming less leary every day. Palin grabbed the cycle for next week with her appearance with Hannity and Gibson actually set up a much higher level of interest in her appearance than would have happened had not gone in the tank for Obama. Them librul interlekshoeals shur are smart.

The stupidity is astounding, but they don't seem to be able to stop. what fun!

centralcal

Good morning. I see the Washington Post and NY Times both have hit pieces and continue to pile on (with marshmallows, apparently). The AP crew are busy bees trying to cut in half the attendance at MP rallies. The certifiably insane (e.g. Rhandi Rhodes) spew filth from their mouths but it only lands in their own laps.

Meanwhile, it just adds votes to our side and increases the number of folks who hate the media.

Gotta love it! The McCain camp probably can't believe how much help they are getting from the MSM!

M. Simon

Florida is not moving in Obama's direction despite massive spending on ads, offices, and phone calls.

Sue

The media created Obama and now they are helping to bring him down. And are clueless that they are doing it.

Jim

I had beers with rank-and-file members of the Dem base last night (in short, Bill Maher fans.) Their dejected mantra was that McCain and RNC are pumping out lies at such a high that the public is being swayed. I changed the subject back to the Newcastle-Hull game.

Took a look at the bridge-to-nowhere stuff and wrote down summary. If I've been too charitable to Palin, please let me know.

Jane

The media created Obama and now they are helping to bring him down. And are clueless that they are doing it.

It's time to bring the media down. I want them to walk out of this election so discredited that the NY Times has to close its doors. They can sell the only thing of value - the Sunday crossword puzzle to SBW for a buck, and I will gladly buy my weekly fix from him.

PD Quig

That Bob Herbert is the NYT's token is concealed by the fact that the rest of the gang there is as deranged as he is. Anywhere else his ludicrous point of view and pedestrian writing skills would stick out like a sore thumb.

M. Simon

Palin in Nevada.

This is a new speech, however it is truncated. in the video. I'm going to see if I can find the whole thing.

sbw

Whew! Lost Internet last night after my last communication and just before I was going to respond to Kim, "No thanks. But I do have compassion for his circumstance."

I blame it on Ike.

DrJ, thanks.

Kim, if Cleo has a value, it is that the most important task at hand is to make what we understand accessible to people unwilling to consider the possibility that ideas other than their convictions may help.

Their underlying problem is that their education failed to convince them that doubt is their friend and the cornerstone -- the method -- of science. Science doesn't prove things true, it removes things that don't stand up to scrutiny.

The laughable truth is that they defend themselves from facing doubt by accusing others of presuming to know what is right -- by being, as the Blues Brothers said, "on a mission from God." Ron Suskind in the NY Times Magazine, accused Bush of being isolated as "". They are trying the same projective identification on Sarah Palin, twisting her comments on teaching evolution. They project on Bush and Palin what they themselves do.

If Cleo has value, it is to explore what diamond drill will penetrate the reluctance to face oneself in the mirror.

sbw

Drat! Preview is our friend.

sbw

... as isolated as "An Article of Faith. They...

centralcal

"It's time to bring the media down. I want them to walk out of this election so discredited that the NY Times has to close its doors."

I heartily agree, Jane.

I also Pray
that we are on God's side in wishing it so.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness ..."

Listen up media.

M. Simon

I saw a new (to me) ugly on YouTube: Bush and Palin had sex with each other. I didn't watch.

It is beyond reason to think that folks doing this think it will help ∅.

And yet they persist. As some one pointed out - that kind of stuff is moving people to MP.

Jim

So depressing, this Tom Friedman B+ essay in freshman comp. A once-great paper.

I'm going to see if I can find the whole thing...

I read the complete transcripts of Palin/Gibson, btw. She was good. After the B- I gave her for the bowdlerized video clips of part I, I have to give her a B+ final grade. Er, on the scale of VP nominees, not on the freshman comp scale.

Dan S

Listening/watching that speech in CC. As I predicted, she IS getting better. She doesn't talk at her audience. She talks with them. She's significantly more natural than she has been with that canned stump speech.

M. Simon

sbw,

Michael Gazzaniga was interviewed by Wm. Buckley about cocaine when we knew much less about drugs and the brain than we do now. It was one of the things that got me interested in the drug/brain connection.

Of course both were against the drug war.

boris

Cleo is fighting fire with fire. Cleo is giving us a taste of our own medicine. Cleo takes the sauce from the goose and spits it at us. Cleo's clown mask of hate is a carefully crafted likeness of what cleo is sure we would see in our mirrors if we weren't blind to our vile nature.

M. Simon

SBW,

I started my political writing career doing articles on the drug war and other stuff at the Rock River Times.

I could do some things for you if you like. Or you could republish some of my old stuff. I own all the copyrights.

Threadhearder

Herd, herd.

Captain Hate

So depressing, this Tom Friedman B+ essay in freshman comp. A once-great paper.

Best take-down of that moron evarrrrr. LUN

Rob Crawford

Just remember to ask semanticleo about "pre-traumatic stress syndrome" and his support for reinstituting slavery. The answers are rather enlightening.

Porchlight

The Minneapolis Star-Tribune has the race tied in MN, 45-45.

Dead even in MN. From the hopelessly blinkered liberal Strib! It is too precious. Wish I could be a fly on the wall for the clothes rending and hair pulling in the newsroom that this is going to produce.

kim

Jim, speaking of selling his soul, Thomas Friedman lives in a 10,000 square foot hovel on six acres of lawn that he calls a 'park-like setting'. At the end of his article it says 'Nicholas Kristof is off today' and I thought 'Well, so is Thomas Friedman'.
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BobS

Mornin' Gang! That was quite a battle up thread with cleo.

sbw

m.simon, thanks for the offer. I've read your blog and like it. However, my own interests expand beyond my obligations as a local surrogate for my readers.

We are in a "media rich environment" with a larger newspaper in a city in our county that is 18 miles away. The best use of the limited subscription and advertising dollars we have available is to focus on those things my readers would like to attend but cannot. We do local best. When education, the economy, and state and federal government come to their senses, perhaps we can expand our horizons.

What I would like to do in the shorter term, is take perhaps four tabloid pages on a regular basis and set quality minds loose on short essays that show what teaching on any subject could be, jump-starting lifelong learning.

Ah! Dream on!

Porchlight

Morning, BobS! Leo has split the scene for the time being, but I'm sure he'll be back. ;)

Posted on the new thread - Rasmussen has McCain at 50% for the first time since Obama clinched the nomination. Yippee!

BobS

Anyone have a good link for battleground polling. Pochlight thats usually up your alley.

HMI

Thanks MayBee and Rhoads, but I'm not convinced (and thanks especially to Rhoads for calling me a "fool'; it makes it easier to ignore jihadists such as yourself in future).

Now: I read the same article and interviews. Clearly Palin has no problem with with both evolution and ID getting a respectful hearing (my words, not hers) in the classroom. I'll build my strawman higher and suppose that the teacher ought not to simply shoot down ID with ridicule and sarcasm. And now I ask, would it be OK if we ask the same treatment for Marxism? How about a respectful hearing for Howard Zinn in US HIstory I? After all, these are views with millions of adherents, all of which claim them to be thoughtful analyses of history. The real mystery in all this is why, in the first place, anyone particularly cares. Somehow, Darwin has managed to coexist in the USA, let alone the world, without doing any more demonstrated harm than, say, Linus Pauling's views on vitamin C.

And, having gotten this far, let me say that I'm enough of a fool to be a defender of ID as a more adequate understanding of the cosmos than the ignorant version of Darwin that gets batted around the political ballfield. But I'm also really, really tired of both leftist and rightist PC litmus tests (and fools who say in their heart, it's my way or the highway).

M. Simon

sbw,

No paper in America that I am currently aware of is doing anything with drug/brain science.

If you ever want something in that area I'm probably the foremost amateur expert (who writes) in America. You know how to reach me.

Jim

At the end of his article it says 'Nicholas Kristof is off today' and I thought 'Well, so is Thomas Friedman'.

Heh, kim, I thought the same thing!

Jim

Cap'n: Ouch. I rarely see the f-word so appropriately used for color.

Porchlight

BobS, I usually follow the Real Clear Politics Battleground States page:
Battleground States

I like 270towin.com for an electoral map to play with. I usually try to mentally map the RCP polling to it.

BobS

Thanks...I'm working on a blog entry now that deals with Zogbys numbers in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia and Colorado. Also Minnesota which a Star-Tribune poll now has it tied at 45

PeterUK

"And now I ask, would it be OK if we ask the same treatment for Marxism? How about a respectful hearing for Howard Zinn in US HIstory I?"

That is usually left to the realms of higher education where Zinn has the monopoly.

HMI

"That is usually left to the realms of higher education where Zinn has the monopoly."

Prevalent, but not a monopoly, and not in my classroom, at least. In any case, at the university level Zinn would be neither state-mandated nor pushed down the throat of minors. If the paying customer doesn't like the course, he can drop it and find a more congenial professor. Similarly, if I decide to teach a course on ID, I will be happily free of school boards or even department chairmen telling me to give equal time or respect to evolutionary theory.

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