New Deal, Fair Deal, Any Deal?

Let's have a rescue deal open thread.  If anyone sees a draft of the deal that may or may not have the votes to pass that would be lovely.

Comments

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I'm still long the original deal or something close.

[I approve this message........]

"We are in a serious economic crisis in the country if we don't pass a piece of legislation,"(MUSHROOM CLOUD!!) Bush said.

"Earlier in the day, congressional negotiators agreed to a set of principles on revisions to the rescue plan, which calls for the Treasury Department to buy up bad mortgage securities from banks in an effort to get them to lend again.

The proposal will help homeowners, curb executive pay packages at participating firms and provide oversight of Treasury's actions, said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., a key architect of the congressional effort. He did not provide details and said lawmakers will sit down with Treasury officials to discuss it.

"We've reached a fundamental agreement on a set of principles, one, for taxpayers, which is tremendously important," Dodd said. "We're very confident we can act expeditiously.""

It's another 9/11, but, this time, the Republicans are reticent about going 'all in'. I guess it's the porkpie Joe Lunchbucket mortgage safety net......

But House Republicans are not on board, according to Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio.

"House Republicans have not agreed to any plan at this point," Boehner said.

Details, details................

"Congress would make $250 billion available immediately with $100 billion available, if needed, without requiring additional congressional approval, said two senior Democratic aides familiar with the negotiations. The second half of $350 billion would then become available by a special approval of Congress."

But, strangely enough, no details on WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM.........

(maybe from out of our arses........)

[viva ron paul]

Obama will debate an empty chair or an empty suit depending on whether Grandpappy shows.

Reports say Grandpappy didn't utter a word in the meeting with Bush (who was great last night, dontcha think?).

Meanwhile what's Grandpappy's angle here? Is he trying to backstab the House Republicans or work with them?

Seriously. Please tell me.

[MayBee]

There was an ad that just played on MSNBC about how McCain's cancer could reoccur and how devastating that would be. It was a serious ad with Doctor's opinions and everything. We shouldn't vote for McCain because of this, apparently.

Remember when Obama used to pretend McCain had to denounce all the 527 ads against Obama? Ahhh..Good times.

[Gmax]

The latest meme is trying to make McCain release his medical records. Has Obama released anything other than a one pager I am fine statement? From a multiple pack multiple years smoker? I think his risk of stroke or heart disease as well as lung cancer are way elevated from this risky behavior, where are thre records Barack?

[DebinNC]

House Republican Resistance list of principles.

[Mandy Longford]

"Obama will debate an empty chair or an empty suit..."

Obama would be ready for that, he has been practicing in front of a mirror all week.

[matt]

meet the new politics, same as the old politics.....

Obama has proven he will stoop as low as is necessary to win this election. It's time we demand he come clean on his past.

tell us the truth, Senator Obama!

[I approve this message........]

WASHINGTON -" Weekly jobless claims surged to the highest level in seven years, durable goods orders took a bigger-than-expected tumble and new home sales plunged to the slowest pace in 17 years, according to government data released Thursday.

The latest trifecta of bad news about the economy raised new worries about a possible recession and underscored the concerns that are driving Congress and the White House to reach agreement on an historic bailout of the financial system.

The Labor Department reported that jobless claims jumped by 32,000 to a seasonally adjusted 493,000 last week, the highest level since shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks and far above what economists had been expecting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_bi_ge/economy

'Durable Goods' is the engine that has kept the economy humming. That financial engine
can be compared to say, a 50 ton flywheel.
It doesn't take but a few horsepower to keep the momentum going when everything is up to speed. But let it slow down, or god forbid stop, and it takes roughly 1,000 hp to get it going again. Housing starts are a big part of that momentum and now it's winding down.

Doesn't have a direct connection to the Banking Crisis so it's an added feature and benefit of our existing economic downturn.

We could be throwing 700 Billion down the drain for nothing, but you can't stop Bush or Congress from doing it. Kiss your asses good-bye!!!!!

[DebinNC]

via The Corner:

Panic mode [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

"TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY PAULSON FEARS BAILOUT DEAL MAY COLLAPSE; PLEADS WITH DEMS, 'PLEASE DON'T BLOW THIS UP,' ABC NEWS HAS LEARNED"

[MayBee]

I approve this message takes the old trick of posting Iraq war death tolls and gives it new life. That's kind of sweet in its way.

[I approve this message........]

'PLEASE DON'T BLOW THIS UP' (Damn that Joe Lunchbucket!!!)

Ponzi Paulson

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

GMAX: I thought McCain already released something like 2500 pages of medical records including a recent physical saying he is just fine.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

GMAX: I thought McCain already released something like 2500 pages of medical records including a recent physical saying he is just fine.

Mere truth isn't going to make any difference.

[MayBee]

I propose we drink on "Mainstreet"

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Agreement on Principles

Following is the full text of an Agreement on Principles circulated today at 2:24 pm EST by Senate Banking Committee:

1. Taxpayer Protection
a. Requires Treasury Secretary to set standards to prevent excessive or inappropriate executive compensation for participating corporations
b. To minimize risk to the American taxpayer, requires that any transaction include equity sharing
c. Requires most profits to be used to reduce the national debt

2. Oversight and Transparency
a. Treasury Secretary is prohibited from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner or in any way that is inconsistent with existing law
b. Establishes strong oversight board with cease and desist authority
c. Requires program transparency and public accountability through regular, detailed reports to Congress disclosing exercise of the Treasury Secretary’s authority
d. Establishes an independent Inspector General to monitor the use of the Treasury Secretary’s authority
e. Requires GAO audits to ensure proper use of funds, appropriate internal controls, and to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse

3. Homeownership Protection
a. Maximize and coordinate efforts to modify mortgages for homeowners at risk of foreclosure
b. Requires loan modifications for mortgages owned or controlled by the Federal Government
c. Direct a percentage of future profits to the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund to meet America’s housing needs

4. Funding Authority
a. Treasury Secretary’s request for $700 billion is authorized, with $250 billion available immediately and an additional $100 billion released upon his or her certification that funds are needed
b. The final $350 billion is subject to a Congressional joint resolution disapproval

[Bill in AZ]

There was an ad that just played on MSNBC about how McCain's cancer could reoccur and how devastating that would be.

Sadly, for libs, the melanoma is less and less likely to recur. The high intensity of the sun over the last 15-20 years, which is what caused global warming, also caused high incidence of melanoma, especially here in AZ. Since the solar intensity has decreased over the last couple of years, you hardly ever hear anything about it here anymore.

[MayBee]

Oh geez. Obama is proposing another round of economic stimulus.

[MayBee]

"rebates"

[Neo]

"What's the difference between Enron and Fannie Mae? Answer: The guys at Enron have been convicted." -- WSJ June 14, 2006

[I approve this message........]

"Homeownership Protection"

ah, there's the rub............

Kain't be havin' no protection for no
gullible types who got duped by
some well meanin' carpetbaggers, can we?

But if Ah kin bee hurt by some failed banks, well then, lets's make sure them banks got the welfare dey deserves.......

[centralcal]

Isn't Harry Reid refusing to call for a vote on Friday in order to "force" McCain and Obama to return to the debate?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

"What's the difference between Enron and Fannie Mae? Answer: The guys at Enron have been convicted."

... and the guys at Fannie Mae are advising Obama.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Ho hum: Obama’s lawyer threatens TV stations that run NRA ad

[mark l.]

If the democrats, who do happen to have a majority committed to voting en bloc, they could call the house gop bluff.

They can't. They have too many blue dog who will say no out of principle, and another group who would vote for it, but live in a conservative district-ex. Heath Shuler...

These dem house members are the sticking point...

If a bill comes up, they won't vote for it, without the cover of 100+ gop housemates.

the absolute irony of the democrats winning the house in 2006, only to be struck with the blame.

Nancy wanted responsiblity, she got it.

PS-everytime I see Dodd and Frank, it makes me consider the alternate reality of where my daughter has just been run over by a drunk driver, who is now going to operate on her, and he is still drunk.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

You know what IATM? Fuck you. I'm not willing to see people in bread lines to satisfy your ideal of ideological purity. Or Newt's idea of tactical advantage.

If you are, then you should figure out why sociopathy comes so easily to you.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

PS-everytime I see Dodd and Frank, it makes me consider the alternate reality of where my daughter has just been run over by a drunk driver, who is now going to operate on her, and he is still drunk.

Word.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Chinese Banks To Stop Loaning to U.S. Banks? (Updated)

[TCO]

OPERATION INJECT SPINE INTO POLE SMOKING RINOS.

Stop the bailout! Threaten primary fights. Fight dirty. Rip the commies up the belly with a bayonet.

[I approve this message........]

"I'm not willing to see people in bread lines to satisfy your ideal of ideological purity."

You're a little unhinged, my friend.

Mebbe you are just a little afraid of staring into the abyss. It is coming. Gird your loins.

[Denis Keohane]

McCain works with Congressional Republicans to offer a substantially changed alternative deal.

The Dems, even though they want/need Congressional Republicans aboard in numbers for cover balk, not wanting McCain to be seen as instrumentl, lest that hurt The One.

McCain and the Congressional Republicans oppose on principle the deal that is passed anyway, with a majority of Dems and some Republicans.

Obama and the media say "See, McCain couldn't get it done!"

McCain replies that there was more than one way to end the crisis, and his opponent chose the old way, and sided with Reid, Pelosi, Wall St and Bush!

After that, how does Obama's charge of four more years of McBush hold up?

[TCO]

Fuck you Charlie. Go vote Democrat. Cause the mujahedeen are out in force. And they are going to discpline Bush, just like with Myhers. Eat my diahreea. Literally eat it!!!

[Wounded Messenger]

holy Shit, Sarah! It's what you've been waiting for...Armageddon, teh Rapture, heavenly bliss living forever in Paradise, the Tribulation. You must be cumming in your lace undies!

"Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday.

The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries."

[Barry Dauphin]

Charlie (Colorado)

Did you read Andy Kessler's column in today's WSJ? If so, are you in fundamental agreement with what he says? It sounds like it, but I wasn't sure. If he's right, why isn't that message being trumpeted more loudly by the Administration?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Tell me something Wounded, do you talk to your mother like that?

Sara's son.

[MarkO]

Look. I like to read this blog and, on occasion, post something snarky and, infrequently, post something useful. If TCO is permitted to continue with his unseemly and vile posts, I just won't bother. I suspect there are others who feel the same way.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Barry, yes, pretty much. He's getting slightly different numbers than I am. He's got a better idea of the securities involved too, so I'd trust his precise numbers over mine.

[matt]

wow, we have some really sick pond scum today.....

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I hate to do it, but I'm with MarkO. TCO goes or I do.

[Buford Gooch]

What's with the nasty new trolls. Sometimes hard to tell the right-wing ones from the left-wing ones.

[TCO]

Shaka motherfuckerz!

[PeterUK]

"I approve this message takes the old trick of posting Iraq war death tolls and gives it new life. That's kind of sweet in its way."

Probably comes from the same gluteal area.

[Jane]

everytime I see Dodd and Frank, it makes me consider the alternate reality of where my daughter has just been run over by a drunk driver, who is now going to operate on her, and he is still drunk.

I can't be for any bill where they will provide the oversight, and I suspect I'm not alone. Of course the right won't mention this issue - which is probably not dumb.

I could however be persuaded to vote for the bill to help McCain win the election - which seems like a more important goal at this point.

[narciso]

nazguls & orcs, not simple trolls

[Wounded Messenger]

"right-wing ones from the left-wing ones."

From the New 'Moderate'......

[Charlie (Colorado)]

One bit of comfort is that if things really collapsed, the ability to get along with people will be a survival skill.

[TCO]

You guys would cut off your nuts to help McCain win an election. You'd sell the US into slavery to the Aalag, to win an election. GRRRRRR!!!!

[Buford Gooch]

"nazguls & orcs, not simple trolls"

Nasty, whatever the genesis.

[PeterUK]

"What's with the nasty new trolls. Sometimes hard to tell the right-wing ones from the left-wing ones."

Left wing - meet the Moby.

[Wounded Messenger]

BiPartisan Heaven........

When Right-Wing and Left Wing agree on something.

Miracles do happen, Sarah. Is that an angel on my shoulder?

[Extraneus]

Blogs like The Belmont Club are easier, since the poster is shown at the top of the comment, but it's not that hard to skip a poster's comments. Just look at the author before reading. The problem is all the authors you like who respond to the person you don't, since you have to read a while before deciding not to finish those.

(Hopefully the ones I like read this one! :-))

[PeterUK]

"Miracles do happen, Sarah. Is that an angel on my shoulder?"

How long have you been getting these hallucinations?

[MayBee]

Look at what Dodd is doing here:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/mccains_surprise.php>Ambinder 1

During the White House meeting, it appears that Sen. John McCain had an agenda. He brought up alternative proposals, surprising and angering Democrats. He did not, according to someone briefed on the meeting, provide specifics.

One the proposals -- favored by House Republicans -- would relax regulation and temporarily get rid of certain taxes in order to lure private industry into the market for these distressed assets.

That approach has been rejected by Senate Democrats, Senate Republicans and, to this point, the White House. During the meeting, according to someone briefed on it, Sec. Henry Paulson told those assembled that the approach was not workable.

Before the White House meeting, Democrats and Senate Republicans were on track to get legislation to the floor by tomorrow. Democrats say that, at best, they hope for half of Republicans in the House to go along. At worst, the vote in the House becomes partisan and then Senate Republicans get shaky and then...

Later, http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/mccain_kept_head_down_in_meeti.php>Mark Ambinder 2

Though Sen. Chris Dodd implied that Sen. McCain sandbagged the rest of the negotiators by bringing up alternative proposals, McCain himself did not bring up those proposals, according to four independent sources briefed by four different principals inside the meeting, including two Republicans and two Democrats.

"McCain has not attacked the Paulson deal," said a third Republican who was briefed by McCain direclty. "Unlike the [Democrats] in the [White House] meeting, he didn't raise his voice or cause a ruckus. He is urging all sides to come together."

Republicans like John Boehner brought up the concerns of House GOPers and McCain acknowledged hearing about their concerns. And McCain, and staffers, did seek to gauge the level of support of the GOP working group's white paper. The Democrats were left with the impression that McCain endorsed the GOP efforts, but they concede that he did not raise them directly.

[jean]

TCO and Wounded.I don't understand why you insist on using vile language.There are plenty of blogs that use that type of language all the time.Please go there.Wounded I'm appalled at your treatment of Sara.It was uncalled for,you owe her an apology

[Wounded Messenger]

"that he did not raise them directly.'

Decisive Leadership.................

[RichatUF]

If he's right, why isn't that message being trumpeted more loudly by the Administration?

Because it would be so much better to have the credit markets freeze up (they are already locking) and a haircut of about 30% on the major indexes. For the purity wing and the loony left, worse is better.

I'm curious about the paramaters of the FDIC/JP Morgan take over of WaMu and if it may become the model if this bill doesn't pass. Just stuff the bad banks into good banks and pour enough money in 'em to keep 'em working. It might be time to bring in PE and HF too, to force price discovery on these MBS's.

[ben]

Let's play name that party...

From Gateway Pundit..

"Sources tell CBS 2 News Chicago that Federal agents claim to have enough evidence to indict Blagojevich on fraud and conspiracy charges. However, the report says the investigators aren't the ones who make the decision to prosecute. That would be up to U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and the Justice Department in Washington.

WBBM reported on a possible Rezko connection:

Prosecutors also mentioned Blagojevich in an indictment as the intended beneficiary of at least one extortion attempt by Blagojevich fundraiser and businessmen Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

Rezko was convicted June 4 on 16 of the 24 counts against him. He awaits sentencing in October on mail and wire fraud, aiding and abetting bribery and money laundering convictions. He still faces two more trials.

The Chicago Sun-Times has reported Rezko could cut his prison time significantly by cooperating in investigations of other public figures."

Hmmm - Other public figures - leaves a lot of room for guessing

[TCO]

House Republicans are going anti bailout. Eat shit socialists.
Literally bite into turds and swallow.

[Wounded Messenger]

"It was uncalled for,you owe her an apology"

She is so sensitive I am devastated.....but it was SARAH not Sara, you know, as in Palin..

You two should date. It's a perfect match.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

DEMOCRATS TANKING DEAL IN ORDER TO PIN FAILURE ON JOHN McCAIN

[Wounded Messenger]

"DEMOCRATS TANKING DEAL IN ORDER TO PIN FAILURE ON JOHN McCAIN"

Uh oh. Ace of Spades citing FOX News sources.

Sounds ominous. Let's call a meeting....

[Verner]

Oy! Some people need to grow up!

Charlie, great piece in the WSJ. But if the House Repubs can hold out for a day or two, and get some of the reforms that were listed at the Coner, then I think they absolutely should.

Now is the time to close down the Democrats piggy bank. No more bad loans for GSEs! Transparancy in markets! And NO BAILOUTS FOR DEADBEATS WHO DON'T PAY THEIR MORTGAGES!

As we all know, most people do pay their mortgages, and do have retirement accounts that have suffered. There is virtually no assurance in the banking committee's "joint principles" that's going to protect the "responsible" little guy, and small business owners. Just a lot of junk that infers that we are going to still be on the hook for a bunch of bad mortgages that democrats made to their constituents.

People I talk to are really pissed, and if the house repubs don't get many of their demands in, there will be trouble at home. I think they're ready to call the bluff if the democrats don't give in. And if this goes down, the democrats have no one to blame but themselves. Cause, being in the majority, they can certainly pass it all on their lonesome.

If McCain plays this right, as the maverick who stood up to both Bush and the democrats to pass a responsible, reform minded bailout of the mess the democrats got us into in the first place--he will be a hero.

Besides, if we don't get all of that while we can, we might never get it. And if we don't, we'll be in the same stink hole in a few years.

[ben]

"You guys would cut off your nuts to help McCain win an election. You'd sell the US into slavery to the Aalag, to win an election. GRRRRRR!!!!"

Well, TCO, if we don't help McCain win the election we turn the government over to leftist extremists, you know, the Gulag type. So yes, one nut might be worth the sacrifice. You might as well volunteer too, since I hear the Obama Komisariat will be implementing mandatory castration on all those who refuse to see his light, lest they reproduce and produce more infidels.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Screw it, I'm going to bed. Let me know if the world ends.

[Wounded Messenger]

"NO BAILOUTS FOR DEADBEATS WHO DON'T PAY THEIR MORTGAGES!"

That means YOU, Joe Lunchbucket!!!

[TCO]

Mccain is a leftist and so is bush. Paulson, rubin, corzine aree all anti american socialisys thsat steal.

FUCK GOLDMAN. FUCK THEM. LET THE HOUSE BURN DOWN. DIE DIE DIE DIE.
'

[Wounded Messenger]

"Screw it, I'm going to bed. Let me know if the world ends."

It's time for warm milk for John McCain too.

[mark l.]

I don't get democrats...

is their desire to have a deal, or throw a wet blanket on ANY john mccain credit?

they really have to pick one.

if the deal fails, with the dems holding a majority in both houses, they look stupid and useless-

they couldn't produce a bill that their full party could accept.

if the deal goes thru, they have to have the changes put in that the house gop will gladly point to so that they can explain its acceptance.

The house dems are waiting for a goper to run to the camera and claim that the deal is done, and then they will submit it assuming that they hold the verbally committed's assurances.

They are waiting to hear at least 75 such public pronouncements fro the gop, before we even see the bill.

one other point about the delay...

despite their dismissal of mccain's presense, it now appears that mccain was correct in believing a deal would not be struck, and his cancelling of the debate appears far more reasonable.

If obama shows up in MS, without a deal, and mcain blows him off...obama looks irrelevant and stupid(er).

(ps- don't ban your trolls...whatever they write. It is a poor precendent, and I have fallen victim to blocking to lib chats, not for foul language, but reasoned arguments.)

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Verner, if I didn't really see the real possibility that (1) we really could have 25 percent unemployment within a few months, and (2) that we could really have Obama as the Great One, with controlled media, mandatory National Service, and morning calisthenics to patriotic music before the self-criticism session as a result, I'd go along.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Mccain is a leftist and so is bush. Paulson, rubin, corzine aree all anti american socialisys thsat steal.

He really is drunk.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I don't get democrats...

I don't either. Or republicans. Except to figure they really are as stupid as they look, and can't follow the explanations.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

House plans on pulling an all nighter.

[TCO]

Fuck the DEAL. Fuck who gets credit. Fuck who gets elected. I WANT MY MOTHERFUCKING 1 trillion dollars. I want Goldman not to have it! GRRRRRRR.

[sbw]

Firefox cleanses. Those with PCs can contact GMax; with Macs, I'd be glad to help.

Apparently -- I can't see it -- TCO is engaging in anti-society behavior. Just like Axelrod and Obama. He doesn't care. They don't care.

Winning is driving everyone away so that there is no community here. I refuse to give in.

The downside to cleansing TCO with Firefox is that new visitors may not stay because of the bad odor. I think that is TCO's plan.

What TCO is too stupid to realize is that he is undermining two tenets of the fundamental fabric of society: humility and respect. When that happens, we who believe in society are within our rights to act according to the law of the jungle -- because that's where TCO chooses to live.

In other words, TCO, if TM chooses to ban you, it would be both the liberal and the conservative thing to do.

[mark l.]

"Mccain is a leftist and so is bush. Paulson, rubin, corzine aree all anti american socialisys thsat steal.

FUCK GOLDMAN. FUCK THEM. LET THE HOUSE BURN DOWN. DIE DIE DIE DIE.
'

Posted by: TCO"

despite my above defense of trolls, you above quote appears to have the potential to be interpeted as a death threat against the above...

Corzine is the governor of NJ...so you have just crossed the threshold where you made a death threat.

You also fail to specify which 'House' you meant...
one could easily read it as the house of reps. BURN and DIE in reagrds to the /federal govt and a state governor, may not be the kind of thing you want on your IP address...

[bgates]

Mark, no one is asking for banning reasoned arguments from leftists. No one is even asking for banning unreasonable but polite left of center commenters. Appalled and Foo Bar never do what this crop of troublemakers are doing.

Personally, I've already banned everyone I don't want to see. 18 and counting. I just see the echoes when other people engage.

[mark l.]

free country...

it's not my site, and I am no part of management...

[TCO]

DIE, DIE, DIE.

[Verner]

The Democrats in Congress will not go there Charlie, because if they do, they will get the blame.

McCain has upset their little applecart.

They are the majority. ANd now Obama has been tied to the process. They can't blame John McCain without showing utter political cowardess.

They thought they could bully Bush into doing anything they wanted. But they seemed to have forgotten that the current polls show that Congress' approval numbers are a good 20 points lower than Bush's.

Not everyone in America is stupid. People know the role Dodd and Frank have played in getting us into this mess. And while we will have a deal, I firmly believe, the democrats will not be getting all their little perks.

And they absolutely should not.

[Barney Frank]

TCO, whoever or whatever it might be, does not appear any longer to be sane, assuming it ever was.

[TCO]

Fuck the deal. LET IT BURN.

[Deagle]

Well, did not read all the comments, so these are subscribed as such... (my own observations based on Fox News commentary).

No deal will be made (much to the delight of the public).

McCain will be seen as the obstacle to this compromise. Normal MSM response.

It will heighten his election attributes.

McCain/Palin will be elected.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Tigerhawk says Zogby says McCain by an electoral college landslide.

Sorry, I closed the link and I'm too lazy to go get it again.

[Verner]

Sara:House plans on pulling an all nighter.

Finally we're getting our money's worth!

And let's just hope Obama shows up all by himself for a townhall meeting in OXford Mississippi--where he'll be fielding angry questions from the folks in the southland all by himself! No teleprompter, and no hand selecting the crowd demographic for maximum impact. Hailey Barber--you magnificent bastard!

I hope he gets this one: "Why the hell aren't you up in Washington trying to get us out of this "Hurricane Katrina" of an economic mess SENATOR OBAMA.

Gosh I hope somebody gives him a question about Ayers and CAC.

[PeterUK]

MarkL

TCO is in urgent need of psychiatric care.TCO is a danger to society.

[PaulL]

TCO,

You sound perturbed. Are you willing to share with us what it is that seems to be upsetting you? We care. We're listening.

[PeterUK]

Oh Gawd!

[ben]

"I WANT MY MOTHERFUCKING 1 trillion dollars."

So do the trial lawyers, and if Obama wins they will get it.

[mark l.]

TCO-
trying to clean it up?

I'll foward your love message to corzine to the nj state troopers...they might be bored.

i figure you heart will be jumping everytime you hear a knock on the door for the next year. The irony is that when theycome for you, they won't knock.

[Crew v1.0]

For two years, the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Chris Dodd, wrestled with a choice: "Now that I am in the majority party, should I secure every assurance and turn over every stone to ensure that our financial institutions are not compromised by risky investments? Or should I pursue the illusory promise of my party's nomination for, of all things, President of the United States of America? Should I work in Washington, and bear down hard on this whole 'banking' thing, or should I move to Iowa, pander to farmers? Should I tend to the nation's business, or should I tend instead to the plush, wavy thickness of my exuberant silver mane of hair, and to the endlessly interesting project of assuaging my personal vanity?"

As they say on the beer commercials, "Good call," Senator. "Good call."

[bubarooni]

'wow, we have some really sick pond scum today.....'

i think it's the worst i've seen since the height of Plame-omania. it's getting fairly revolting.

[TCO]

I don't want to open up to you, Paul. I might get hurt. Now...back to RINO hating.

[bgates]

Gosh I hope somebody gives him a question about Ayers and CAC.
Verner, Obama has already submitted to thorough interrogations from Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulus, and other equally nonpartisan representatives of the people. Surely you don't mean he should also have to endure the indignity of answering to the rabble themselves?

[PeterUK]

"I don't want to open up to you, Paul. I might get hurt."

The gobshite is a sensitive little flower.

[TCO]

See, Paul. They're picking on me!

[PeterUK]

"See, Paul. They're picking on me!"

Well Petal,you are a sensitive little flower.

[Verner]

Well, I wouldn't touch Zogby with a ten foot poll (ha ha). But if the shift is any indication, it seems that the democrats mantra of "Bush's Fault" doesn't seem to be working all that well. Maybe it's because the public now sees the Role Fannie and Freddie have played, and have come to realize that most Wall Street fat cats are democrats nowdays.

And face it, most people absolutely can not stand Barney Frank. There's just something utterly slimey about the guy. Everytime he's on TV, Obama has got to lose about 10,000 votes. People DO NOT want him anywhere near 700 billion dollars worth of their money.

And now the hated Bush and the democrat majority appear to be on the same page--uh oh.

And who is standing up for the people to make sure that Barney and Chuck and Nancy and Harry don't have their way once again with the american people's pocketbook? Why that would be John McCain!

And Obama will be all alone down in Dixie fielding questions from angry americans--cause they don't either want or need him in DC.

Now, seeing all that, who do you want in the White House.

[TCO]

you already said that, Limey. Get a new rap. You commie fucker.

[DrJ]

TCO-
trying to clean it up?

I pegged it as "Totally Confused Onanist".

[Extraneus]

You know, it's depressing to contemplate the prospect that this is all simply rooted in political correctness -- the fact that we've allowed leftist race hustlers to bully our whole society into doing things so dumb as to force banks to loan money to people with bad credit, under the threat of bogus charges of racism spewed by subversives who have questionable allegiance to the country. It's indicative of a systemic lack of principle which has permeated American society.

We've allowed preferences based on obviously unconstitutional categories such as race or gender to seep into all aspects of society, after permitting the government to categorize us all in such dehumanizing terms, and we appear poised to elect a president who made what little bones he has a result of all this.

There's an aspect of poetic justice to it, and I'm sure it's quite entertaining to our enemies in the world, but it exposes a deep rot in the fabric of American society, rooted in the fact that we've continually compromised our principles, for decades, never thinking that the original principles, such as equality, freedom, and self-reliance were worth fighting for. Instead, they've all been compromised, and now we compromise them further in order to try some stop-gap technical approach to fixing this "crisis," using yet another solution that would probably have Hamilton and Franklin and even Madison turning in their graves.

And we allow the culprits, people who have continually profited from their perfidy, to be involved in negitiating the "solution," while none of our so-called leaders has the stomach to confront and expose them, or to address root causes.

I'm not trying to be melodramatic, and I understand the power of optimism, but we appear to be a society in decline, without a standard bearer or any hope for recovery. Maybe I'm wrong about that and we can still pull it out, but it's depressing.