In other words. General Karpinski, we're talking William Ismay here, going after Sarah Palin, words fail:href<http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/23/121839/283> even some of ths posters find it a stretch.
Isn’t the real question why it was left in the interview? Was it because Kouric was attempting to be somewhat fair, or because no one at CBS knew how ludicrous it was?
For me, each of Obama and McCain are about equally likely to die in office, because the risk of assassination dwarfs the risk of fatal illness/incapacitation. If you believe Obama about some Americans not being ready for him, his risk of assassination may be significantly higher than McCain's.
So where does somebody explain to me why I shouldn't be scared to death of this blabbering blunderer Biden being President? He is, simply put, not someone I ever want in the White House. (I would have to support Obama over Biden, if forced.) I say this as someone who desperately wanted Romney, as a 'governing' GOP VP choice.
I have a crazy theory. Biden was chosen because he cannot succeed Obama after 8 years. Obama had to pick a white establishment guy, but didn't want to pick one with the actual abilities and of the right age to be a Presidential nominee in 2016, and he didn't want to pick one who would actually have a big portfolio while in office. That would leave Obama free to govern w/o Al Gore/Dick Cheney characters fighting for influence. And it would leave Obama fight for anyone he wants in his last years in office.
So I think Obama very cynically picked Biden as a "you want an old white guy with foreign affairs credentials? Here you are, idiots. But I won't play him." (Ok, that last sentence was from The Natural.)
PDinDetroit: It's not just a matter of there being no televisions in 1929; as the linked piece notices, Franklin Roosevelt didn't become president until 1933.
Joe Biden is necessary because one cannot tell jokes about Obama. The people must have an outlet for their native humor, but if Obama becomes an outlet, the earth will not heal, the bills will not pass, and the eye of the Leno will trouble Obama's well-earned slumbers after his might labors.
For every hero, there must be a comic sidekick. Call it the Gabby Hayes Postulate.
I have always had a tv set and I went "huh" right away. It did not take me long to figure out that 1929 would not have been President Roosevelt either.
Seriously if Dan Quayle had said anything this stupid, I would have laughed at him the way the Democrats did anyway. Lets see how many are laughing now.
Yeah, well, I remember watching 'im on are teevee - the whole family there in Scranton, we gathered 'round - and my dad said, "It's good to see ol' FDR stand up for the little guy - aw, geez, what am I sayin'."
I know they say Animal House was supposed to be about Dartmouth. OTOH it seems an almost exact take on my husband's fraternity as Wisconsin, a place so foul i wouldn't even step inside the house.
They have annual reunions. I went to one. No one could recognize one of the men nor his wife..Turns out HE was the Beverly Hills plastic surgeon..and he'd done so much work on her and had so much done on himself and no one could tell who they were.
Once at a dinner party I told the irascible history professor George Mosse that my husband had been a Pi Lam and he turned ashed--said being their adviser was the worst experience of his lifetime (and he'd arely escaped the Nazis).
I think people are meant to be utterly insane in college.
It's then or later when it costs too much.
Whenever I get down about the current state of the financial markets, I think about President Andrew Johnson's "fourscore and seven years ago" podcast and realize that things could be worse.
Newsweek compiles Biden's gaffes. The FDR and "Stand up, Chuck" gaffes were understandable misspeaking, but delightedly offering ABC his paying taxes = patriotism thesis and telling Ohioans of all people that he and BO are against "clean coal" falls under the "He's a nut" category.
Blutto - Joe Biden
Otter - Bill Clinton
Dean Wormer - Harry Reid
Mrs. Wormer - Nancy Pelosi
Pinto - GWB
Mayor DiPasto - Mayor Daley
Schoenstein - Lanny Davis
Flounder - Dennis Hastert
Marmalard - Chris Dodd
D-Day - Ron Paul
Neidermeier - Obama
Hoover - McCain
OT but the news I have been predicting for some time now:
LANSING – A poll released today by Inside Michigan Politics shows that Republican
Presidential Candidate John McCain has a slim three (3) point lead over Barack Obama
in Michigan’s latest poll. The poll shows that both candidates have strong support with
their base voters, but McCain’s support among Independent voters 45%- 37% (+8%) puts
him on top in this toss-up state
“John McCain has a track record with Michigan Independent voters,” said Bill Ballenger,
Editor of Inside Michigan Politics. “The current polling shows that they still like him and
they like and support Sarah Palin as his running mate.”
Mr McNeil - Yes, noted. I was merely commenting on the idiots at CBS for missing the TV Set Comment only. I would not expect them to catch anything after that...
"Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race…
The problem that supporters of Clinton, the New York senator, have with Obama seems to flow from their measure of him as a candidate, not from issues. From establishing a timeline for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq to abortion to canceling tax cuts on the rich, their views of the importance of issues are virtually identical to Democrats in general.
Yet they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain. And while majorities of Clinton supporters say Obama shares their values and understands ordinary Americans, they’re less likely to say so than Democrats overall."
By the way, in that same interview where Biden says "no coal plants in America" he also says "I introduced the first Global Warming Bill 22 years ago".
The following report was found underneath the porch at Funk and Wagnels.
The Global Alliance For Fabricated Experience (GAFFE) is pleased to announce that plans are being finalized for an additional debate in this years presidential contest. The new debate will be in addition to the three scheduled between John McCain and Barack Obama, and the single vice presidential debate taking place with Senator Biden and Governor Palin.
This fifth debate will feature a face off between Senators Obama and Biden.
Representatives of the two candidates have already agreed to include “energy policy” and “the effects of negative ads on the campaign” as topics for the debate.
If time allows they will also discuss “FDR, Television, and The Great Depression” and the effects of snow on aerodynamics.
It could develop into the best debate of the season.
OT, but the federal grand jury failed to indict the Plain hacker.
LUN: "The Chattanooga Free Press doesn't offer a lot of details other than to say that Kernell's three roommates appeared before the grand jury this morning and that the session ended without an indictment. The grand jury will likely meet again to hear more evidence in the investigation.
Sounds like they're still hearing evidence and haven't voted yet.
"Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race…
Altho it feels like decades ago, in 2000 lots and lots of independents and democrats really liked McCain. That is why the whole "McCain has changed" meme is so important to Obama. McCain hasn't changed in the least from what I can tell, and I knew an awful lot about him in 2000. So while most republicans running would have been abhorred by many democrats, McCain has never really filled that bill.
I also think that realness is adding to the attacks on Palin. No one knows her so its easy to pretend you know more than everyone else and thus she deserves the hate previously reserved for President Bush.
A lot of McCain's appeal in 2000 appeared to be that he was real. And I think that is also the source of Palin's popularity.
There's a new poll out this morning showing that Barack Obama is "winning" in Pennsylvania -- but it doesn't feel that way. A Mason-Dixon poll of Pennsylvania voters for NBC News -- which they've touted heavily on the air but haven't posted in detail on the Web for some reason -- shows Obama beating John McCain by 46-44 percent, which essentially means that it's a dead heat in a state that has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections.
NBC's Chuck Todd has been saying that the underlying numbers show Obama underperforming among Catholics here and among Democrats in general, with an unusually large pool of "undecided" Democrats in the one-time steel-and-coal belt of Southwestern Pennsylvania. I put "undecided" in quotes because these voters received massive exposure to Obama in March and April -- if they're telling pollsters now that they haven't made up their minds...they probably really have.
Which is why Obama may NOT be winning in Pa. What's more, I'm getting a little exhausted watching dozens of pundits struggle with the question of "what does Obama needs to do" to win over these voters. No one wants to answer that there's probably "nothing" he can do."
Altho it feels like decades ago, in 2000 lots and lots of independents and democrats really liked McCain.
In 1993, Congressional Democrats liked Dick Cheney. Democrats have a lot more hate in them now.
GMax - Looks interesting here in MI. I did notice a problem in the Data. See question #2 on page 3 of 4, Detroit Metro Group either has the numbers for BO & MP Reversed or the +/- Obama Column wrong.
The speech isn’t too long and it includes references to policy positions that women care about: equal pay, reproductive rights, sick leave, affordable health care, college tuition breaks for those who engage in service. (“Barack and I just recently paid off the last of our educational loans!”)
Still talking about the difficulty of paying off their loans, even though they've been making an income Obama defines as "wealthy" for about a decade (or at least as far back as he's released his tax returns).
Can you tell this is my personal bugaboo?
Still talking about the difficulty of paying off their loans, even though they've been making an income Obama defines as "wealthy" for about a decade (or at least as far back as he's released his tax returns).
All depends on the meaning of "recently", I suppose.
She was lucky they let her in. In any event she probably could have gone to U if Ill free or nearly so and learned more and done better than to Princeton and HLS where she was clearly over her head.
Her anger is at AA --she just can't acknowledge that yet.
I think in the space of about the last 24 hours, Joe Biden claimed that the AIG bailout was bad, but then said it wasn't bad; that we did not need to burn coal; that his apology about the dirty McCain ad was, as they say, inoperative; that FDR once went on television to address the nation after the stock market crash of '29 (that's a twofer that trumps Obama's Americans liberating Auschwitz); and all but said that McCain took a $50,000 bribe. Not a bad day's work -- encompassing terrible energy policy, flip-flopping, historical ignorance, and slander. And this comes on top of Palin the 'good looking' 'Lt. Governor' of Alaska, Hillary as the better VP pick than himself, the patriotism of paying higher taxes, and so on. And those in turn come on top of the primary remarks about Indians in donut shops, and 'bright and clean' blacks. And those in turn come on top of . . . (Well, go back to the pilfered speeches and made-up bios.) Something is very wrong here. While most forgive the silly slip like 'Barack America' or asking the wheel-chair bound to stand up, I think the Obama staff must have gone from amusement to embarrassment and now to serious concern whether Biden is up to the job. Had this been Palin, the election would now be over.
“Barack and I just recently paid off the last of our educational loans!”
According to a Newsmax article, the Obama campaign said Michelle misspoke when she made a similar claim in Haverford, Pa last April:
Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt now tells Newsmax that the loans Sen. Obama took out to pay for Harvard Law School “were repaid in full while he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate [in 2004], and under the rules, the modest outstanding balance he repaid was not reportable as a liability on his personal financial disclosure reports.”
Clarice, I just looked at the Pi Lamb page in my 1966 Wisconsin Badger. It says, The Pi Lamb's (sic) weren't found under cabbages like everyone else was: they spilled out of a coal shoot into a pile.
The photo is taken on a real mountain of coal. Heh.
Detroit Metro Group either has the numbers for BO & MP Reversed or the +/- Obama Column wrong.
The body of the report on page one has Detroit metro +9 for Obama so that back chart is transposed.
Still Macomb and Oakland are almost cancelling out Wayne Co! It will be worse than that for Obama I think, Detroit wont have the machine to make up voters and the suburbs are going to go stronger than this even for McCain/Palin.
But wait, there's more! To further his theme that "once a powerful patron becomes a major liability, Palin is quick to jettison him," Mr. Talbot brings us the sad story of former Alaska state representative Victor Kohring, who Talbot describes as "another key Palin supporter during her political rise in Mat-Su Valley." Talbot tells us that Kohring feels "betrayed" by Sarah Palin.
"He thinks she's an opportunist, pure and simple," reports Talbot of Kohring's views (as relayed through a friend), and "she didn't give him [i.e., Kohring] the time of day." Indeed, Sarah Palin "called on [Kohring] to resign his office," which he "regarded ... as a great insult, a personal betrayal." Oh, my!
This sad story might be a bit more moving, however, and Talbot's tale of Gov. Palin's turn-coat tendencies more persuasive, were former state representative Kohring's own present residence somewhere other than "the Taft minimum security prison outside Bakersfield, Calif."
He's serving his sentence on federal corruption charges — poor fellow.
GMax: Worse for Obama, it seems that Saginaw/Flint/Bay City area (an erstwhile Democratic stronghold with union strength) is going for McCain by 8%. I believe Kerry won this region by 10 points or so in 2004
Even, I'm sorry to say Jewish issues. A number of Jewsish organizations sold out Israel this very week for abortion (per Caroline Glick Jerusalem Post)
I had a humming bird do a kamikazze on me behind my left ear when I was sitting atop what was purported to be Quetzalcoatl's grave near Hautla, Mexico.
I decided that it meant I was supposed to climb farther up the mountain.
GMax - I am still cautiously optimistic about a MP win here. I will be the happiest JOM Poster if that does occur.
I wonder if the DPS Child Count Tomorrow will give any indication as to "fraud" in Wayne Co... The numbers are supposed to be below 100,000 which means the DPS will lose standing and money (sad to see that happen).
OT - My daughter's team won their division at a tourney a couple weeks ago. They are 1-1 in league play so far.
I truly believe that. And I'm about to include "minority issues" under the same banner.
Join me here, under that very banner.
Issues are issues, and people of any race, gender, or religion can agree with them or not.
Then we have "rights", which too often translates into "something I want so badly that even if the majority doesn't agree, I will declare it BIGGER than a mere majority-rules issue".
That's very good — except that you show the URL bracketed by open and close (left and right) double quotes, which is incorrect. The URL string must be surrounded by simple, non-directional double quotes.
Question: Who thinks Sen. John McCain is "absentminded" and "terrible" and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, doesn't have any appropriate experience? Who thinks Sen. Barack Obama is "highly educated" and "eloquent" and would serve the world much better and improve America's overall situation? Who thinks Sen. Joe Biden is a "very respectable" man with a "good reputation"? Who said "McCain doesn't know anything, poor thing. He is terrible. Let me tell you, he's awful"? No, not Matt or Justin...
Answer: Mohammad-Ali Fardanesh, a political science professor at Shahid Behshti University, speaking on the REPUBLIC OF IRAN TELEVISION NETWORK.
Any of it sound familiar?"
Looks like the Ayatollahs are guarding over Obama,the 12th Imam
M. Simon, funny that the aztec named their war god after a hummingbird, but see them in action and you know why.
Clarice, I get soooo sick of abortion being used as a litmus test issue. As Mme de Rothchild Forrester said, democrats tie it around women's necks like an anchor.
Abortion will always be legal in this country. If Roe is repealed, and it should be because it is bad law, state legislatures will pass laws to make it legal--many already have.
The only real battle is over things like whether the federal government should pay for it, parental notification and late term abortion. The vast majority of American people support both parental notification and a ban on lateterm except under extreme conditions like life of the mother, which hardly exist with today's modern medicine.
It is nothing but a pathetic scare tactic. Reagan didn't overturn Roe, and neither did either of the Bush administrations.
I really wish more smart moderate democrat women would stand up and tell it like it is. Maybe the PUMAs will.
CHARLIE MARTIN IS dissecting the Palin rumor mill. Notice how the press in general isn't as interested in exploring or debunking these as it was with the Obama rumors? Martin: "In my new and unexpected role as the Pajamas Media answer to Hedda Hopper, Iâve spent a lot of time looking at the rumors about Sarah Palin that have appeared in the weeks since John McCain announced her nomination. (The new list is up to 91 and still growing.) Its given me a whole new insight into rumors and how the press responds to them. It seems to be very predictable â and very artificial."
“We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself.”
M.Simon - DPS stands for Detroit Public Schools. See LUN - they have a Student Count tomorrow and it is expected to be under 100K.
My thought was to see if the number *somehow* makes it just over 100,000. It appears that it would be fraud it if does.
For whatever reason, I think that if the number is low then GMax is completely right and Wayne Co will not bring in MI for Obama. If the number is high, then I think the voter fraud will be rampant in Wayne Co (as already indicated by the Detroit Free Press) and Obama may take MI.
Having the voting places here in schools just makes me a little nervous, escpecially if you know how things happen in Detroit...
Very good news, unless Obey's off the reservation or there's another shoe to drop.
House Democrats will allow a quarter-century ban on drilling for oil off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts to expire next week.
Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey is telling reporters that language continuing the moratorium will be omitted this year from a spending bill to keep the government in operating funds after Congress recesses for the election.
Republicans have made lifting the ban a key campaign after gasoline prices soared beyond $4 a gallon this summer and public opinion turned in favor of more drilling. President Bush lifted an executive ban on offshore drilling in July.
The Interior Department estimates there are 18 billion barrels of recoverable oil beneath coastal waters now off-limits.
What we need to do is to get the government out of Mortgage Backed Securities so it won't happen again.
Let us stipulate that saving the financial system will indeed have the effect of saving many of the financial institutions and their operators. In the current mood of the nation and the press, this is regarded as a bad thing. Satisfaction will be attained only when every one of these people has been bankrupted, and 6,000 investment bankers crucified along I-95.
This reaction is a bit like protesting against patching the hole in an ocean liner because doing so will save those who made the crucial navigational errors. Watching the navigator sink beneath the waves might be fun, but one's pleasure will be short and gurgly. So let's get real. While some unjustified enrichment is possible, for the most part, if the financial institutions survive and prosper it will not be because they have been "bailed out" but because the system has been saved. So take a deep breath and say "This is good." In the Midwesternism of my youth, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."
"This reaction is a bit like protesting against patching the hole in an ocean liner because doing so will save those who made the crucial navigational errors. Watching the navigator sink beneath the waves might be fun, but one's pleasure will be short and gurgly."
The Interior Department estimates there are 18 billion barrels of recoverable oil beneath coastal waters now off-limits.
I really wish the AP would start getting this right-its 84.5 billion recoverable (GOM, Atlantic, Pacific, Alaska) and the USGS Arctic survey has not been completed in and around Alaska (which might double the previous estimates there).
Point out that International ANSWER and Michelle Malkin's position are indistinguishable. If I happened into a position which was close to (or in this case the same as) ANSWER, I'd carefully re-examine it.
"Many people also don’t know that John McCain has voted with George Bush more than 90 percent of the time — including to continue Bush’s failed Iraq policies, not investigating the government response to Katrina, not supporting children’s health care, not supporting college benefits for returning veterans, and passing tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the middle class."
Malkin has a new video of MO. It's a howler and I must say the ugliest shirt and hairdo todate. Where's JMH?
If FDR had only talked more on television.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 02:06 PM
In other words. General Karpinski, we're talking William Ismay here, going after Sarah Palin, words fail:href<http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/23/121839/283> even some of ths posters find it a stretch.
Posted by: narciso | September 23, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Isn’t the real question why it was left in the interview? Was it because Kouric was attempting to be somewhat fair, or because no one at CBS knew how ludicrous it was?
Posted by: ROA | September 23, 2008 at 02:09 PM
For me, each of Obama and McCain are about equally likely to die in office, because the risk of assassination dwarfs the risk of fatal illness/incapacitation. If you believe Obama about some Americans not being ready for him, his risk of assassination may be significantly higher than McCain's.
So where does somebody explain to me why I shouldn't be scared to death of this blabbering blunderer Biden being President? He is, simply put, not someone I ever want in the White House. (I would have to support Obama over Biden, if forced.) I say this as someone who desperately wanted Romney, as a 'governing' GOP VP choice.
I have a crazy theory. Biden was chosen because he cannot succeed Obama after 8 years. Obama had to pick a white establishment guy, but didn't want to pick one with the actual abilities and of the right age to be a Presidential nominee in 2016, and he didn't want to pick one who would actually have a big portfolio while in office. That would leave Obama free to govern w/o Al Gore/Dick Cheney characters fighting for influence. And it would leave Obama fight for anyone he wants in his last years in office.
So I think Obama very cynically picked Biden as a "you want an old white guy with foreign affairs credentials? Here you are, idiots. But I won't play him." (Ok, that last sentence was from The Natural.)
Posted by: tom | September 23, 2008 at 02:12 PM
I'm starting to believe the emails are correct.
Posted by: Sue | September 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
For people who have "always had a TV Set", the statement would not even raise an eyebrow.
Posted by: PDinDetroit | September 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Better watch out TM. Besides being accused of pointing out racism and sexism, now you may wind up being accused of pointing out anachronism.
Posted by: Daddy | September 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Whenever I see Joe followed by a camera and spouting off, I can't help but think of another Scrantonian - Michael Scott
Posted by: chris | September 23, 2008 at 02:26 PM
ha! Daddy!
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 02:28 PM
PDinDetroit: It's not just a matter of there being no televisions in 1929; as the linked piece notices, Franklin Roosevelt didn't become president until 1933.
Posted by: Michael McNeil | September 23, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Too bad we couldn't decode the Japanese text messages before Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: bunky | September 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Joe Biden is necessary because one cannot tell jokes about Obama. The people must have an outlet for their native humor, but if Obama becomes an outlet, the earth will not heal, the bills will not pass, and the eye of the Leno will trouble Obama's well-earned slumbers after his might labors.
For every hero, there must be a comic sidekick. Call it the Gabby Hayes Postulate.
Posted by: Appalled | September 23, 2008 at 02:45 PM
FDR actually used a microwave during his fireside chats.
Posted by: Perfect Sense | September 23, 2008 at 02:48 PM
I have always had a tv set and I went "huh" right away. It did not take me long to figure out that 1929 would not have been President Roosevelt either.
Seriously if Dan Quayle had said anything this stupid, I would have laughed at him the way the Democrats did anyway. Lets see how many are laughing now.
Posted by: GMax | September 23, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Remember the ending of "Animal House"? Blutto was elected a U.S. Senator.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 02:57 PM
potatoe
Posted by: bunky | September 23, 2008 at 02:59 PM
That's true, but Biden didn't go to Faber (Dartmouth)besides he's more like Kevin Bacon's naive pledge, than Otter or Blutto.
Posted by: narciso | September 23, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Yeah, well, I remember watching 'im on are teevee - the whole family there in Scranton, we gathered 'round - and my dad said, "It's good to see ol' FDR stand up for the little guy - aw, geez, what am I sayin'."
So I come by it honestly, is what I'm sayin'.
Posted by: Joe Biden | September 23, 2008 at 03:07 PM
FDR had great pecs, though.
Posted by: Joe Biden | September 23, 2008 at 03:09 PM
I know they say Animal House was supposed to be about Dartmouth. OTOH it seems an almost exact take on my husband's fraternity as Wisconsin, a place so foul i wouldn't even step inside the house.
They have annual reunions. I went to one. No one could recognize one of the men nor his wife..Turns out HE was the Beverly Hills plastic surgeon..and he'd done so much work on her and had so much done on himself and no one could tell who they were.
Once at a dinner party I told the irascible history professor George Mosse that my husband had been a Pi Lam and he turned ashed--said being their adviser was the worst experience of his lifetime (and he'd arely escaped the Nazis).
I think people are meant to be utterly insane in college.
It's then or later when it costs too much.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Whenever I get down about the current state of the financial markets, I think about President Andrew Johnson's "fourscore and seven years ago" podcast and realize that things could be worse.
Posted by: Thomas Collins | September 23, 2008 at 03:16 PM
***he turned asheN--said being their adviser was the worst experience of his lifetime (and he'd Barely escaped the Nazis).*****
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Newsweek compiles Biden's gaffes. The FDR and "Stand up, Chuck" gaffes were understandable misspeaking, but delightedly offering ABC his paying taxes = patriotism thesis and telling Ohioans of all people that he and BO are against "clean coal" falls under the "He's a nut" category.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 23, 2008 at 03:17 PM
I think people are meant to be utterly insane in college.
It's then or later when it costs too much.
I agree. That's why the legal drinking age needs to be 18, and colleges need ample night time public transportation (or bars within walking distance).
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Blutto - Joe Biden
Otter - Bill Clinton
Dean Wormer - Harry Reid
Mrs. Wormer - Nancy Pelosi
Pinto - GWB
Mayor DiPasto - Mayor Daley
Schoenstein - Lanny Davis
Flounder - Dennis Hastert
Marmalard - Chris Dodd
D-Day - Ron Paul
Neidermeier - Obama
Hoover - McCain
Posted by: bmeuppls | September 23, 2008 at 03:20 PM
OT but the news I have been predicting for some time now:
LANSING – A poll released today by Inside Michigan Politics shows that Republican
Presidential Candidate John McCain has a slim three (3) point lead over Barack Obama
in Michigan’s latest poll. The poll shows that both candidates have strong support with
their base voters, but McCain’s support among Independent voters 45%- 37% (+8%) puts
him on top in this toss-up state
“John McCain has a track record with Michigan Independent voters,” said Bill Ballenger,
Editor of Inside Michigan Politics. “The current polling shows that they still like him and
they like and support Sarah Palin as his running mate.”
Posted by: GMax | September 23, 2008 at 03:25 PM
Mr McNeil - Yes, noted. I was merely commenting on the idiots at CBS for missing the TV Set Comment only. I would not expect them to catch anything after that...
GMax - Link for that Post?
Posted by: PDinDetroit | September 23, 2008 at 03:35 PM
And according to AP, some good news for McCain...
"Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race…
The problem that supporters of Clinton, the New York senator, have with Obama seems to flow from their measure of him as a candidate, not from issues. From establishing a timeline for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq to abortion to canceling tax cuts on the rich, their views of the importance of issues are virtually identical to Democrats in general.
Yet they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain. And while majorities of Clinton supporters say Obama shares their values and understands ordinary Americans, they’re less likely to say so than Democrats overall."
Posted by: ben | September 23, 2008 at 03:38 PM
http://www.mrgmi.com/PR%20Pres%20Fall%2008.pdf> Michigan Bombshell
Posted by: GMax | September 23, 2008 at 03:39 PM
OT, but the federal grand jury failed to indict the Plain hacker.
Posted by: Sue | September 23, 2008 at 03:40 PM
By the way, in that same interview where Biden says "no coal plants in America" he also says "I introduced the first Global Warming Bill 22 years ago".
That would have been 1986......
Posted by: ben | September 23, 2008 at 03:44 PM
http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/2008/09/new-debate-announced/
The following report was found underneath the porch at Funk and Wagnels.
The Global Alliance For Fabricated Experience (GAFFE) is pleased to announce that plans are being finalized for an additional debate in this years presidential contest. The new debate will be in addition to the three scheduled between John McCain and Barack Obama, and the single vice presidential debate taking place with Senator Biden and Governor Palin.
This fifth debate will feature a face off between Senators Obama and Biden.
Representatives of the two candidates have already agreed to include “energy policy” and “the effects of negative ads on the campaign” as topics for the debate.
If time allows they will also discuss “FDR, Television, and The Great Depression” and the effects of snow on aerodynamics.
It could develop into the best debate of the season.
Posted by: SlimGuy | September 23, 2008 at 03:51 PM
I agree. That's why the legal drinking age needs to be 18, and colleges need ample night time public transportation (or bars within walking distance).
Nah.
Think of it as evolution in action.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 03:55 PM
OT, but the federal grand jury failed to indict the Plain hacker.
LUN: "The Chattanooga Free Press doesn't offer a lot of details other than to say that Kernell's three roommates appeared before the grand jury this morning and that the session ended without an indictment. The grand jury will likely meet again to hear more evidence in the investigation.
Sounds like they're still hearing evidence and haven't voted yet.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 23, 2008 at 03:57 PM
"Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race…
Altho it feels like decades ago, in 2000 lots and lots of independents and democrats really liked McCain. That is why the whole "McCain has changed" meme is so important to Obama. McCain hasn't changed in the least from what I can tell, and I knew an awful lot about him in 2000. So while most republicans running would have been abhorred by many democrats, McCain has never really filled that bill.
I also think that realness is adding to the attacks on Palin. No one knows her so its easy to pretend you know more than everyone else and thus she deserves the hate previously reserved for President Bush.
A lot of McCain's appeal in 2000 appeared to be that he was real. And I think that is also the source of Palin's popularity.
Posted by: Jane | September 23, 2008 at 04:00 PM
narciso:
The URL's you seem to be including don't come out as links in your comments as posted. My Hotlinks Cheat Sheet might help with the conversion.
Posted by: JM Hanes | September 23, 2008 at 04:07 PM
And from the Philadelphia Enquirer...
"Obama winning Pa.? -- doesn't feel that way
There's a new poll out this morning showing that Barack Obama is "winning" in Pennsylvania -- but it doesn't feel that way. A Mason-Dixon poll of Pennsylvania voters for NBC News -- which they've touted heavily on the air but haven't posted in detail on the Web for some reason -- shows Obama beating John McCain by 46-44 percent, which essentially means that it's a dead heat in a state that has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections.
NBC's Chuck Todd has been saying that the underlying numbers show Obama underperforming among Catholics here and among Democrats in general, with an unusually large pool of "undecided" Democrats in the one-time steel-and-coal belt of Southwestern Pennsylvania. I put "undecided" in quotes because these voters received massive exposure to Obama in March and April -- if they're telling pollsters now that they haven't made up their minds...they probably really have.
Which is why Obama may NOT be winning in Pa. What's more, I'm getting a little exhausted watching dozens of pundits struggle with the question of "what does Obama needs to do" to win over these voters. No one wants to answer that there's probably "nothing" he can do."
Posted by: ben | September 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Altho it feels like decades ago, in 2000 lots and lots of independents and democrats really liked McCain.
In 1993, Congressional Democrats liked Dick Cheney. Democrats have a lot more hate in them now.
Posted by: Joe Biden | September 23, 2008 at 04:21 PM
I have been saying for awhile, that undecided this year means "nunyabusiness."
Posted by: GMax | September 23, 2008 at 04:25 PM
I honestly don't think Couric or any of her producers have a clue who was President when (prior to 2000), or when TV overtook radio.
Posted by: centralcal | September 23, 2008 at 04:28 PM
GMax - Looks interesting here in MI. I did notice a problem in the Data. See question #2 on page 3 of 4, Detroit Metro Group either has the numbers for BO & MP Reversed or the +/- Obama Column wrong.
LUN
Posted by: PDinDetroit | September 23, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Nah.
Think of it as evolution in action.
I love you Charlie, but I can't laugh at that.
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Ben - from the Enquirer? Wow. Just a week ago they were calling for a race war if Obama lost.
Posted by: bgates | September 23, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Low turnout at Obama Rally in WI.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 04:41 PM
I love you Charlie, but I can't laugh at that.
Well, it was only meant to be sourly amusing at best.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Michelle Obama at her http://ninacamic.blogspot.com/2008/09/politics-not-as-usual.html>Madison, Wisconsin rally
Still talking about the difficulty of paying off their loans, even though they've been making an income Obama defines as "wealthy" for about a decade (or at least as far back as he's released his tax returns).
Can you tell this is my personal bugaboo?
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 04:58 PM
the black guy or the black fuel
Today, Joe framed the race in West Virgina in terms of the color (?) black.
Posted by: Neo | September 23, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Still talking about the difficulty of paying off their loans, even though they've been making an income Obama defines as "wealthy" for about a decade (or at least as far back as he's released his tax returns).
All depends on the meaning of "recently", I suppose.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Pauley and Skvara Stump for Obama: 8 People Show Up
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 05:19 PM
Earlier today Real Clear Politics had Obama up 3% and he was +1% in favorability. Now he is at 2.5% in the vote and .3% favorability.
McCain's ads tying him to the mortgage meltdown are starting to bite - IMO.
The Thrill Is Gone Along With The Ethics.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 05:20 PM
She was lucky they let her in. In any event she probably could have gone to U if Ill free or nearly so and learned more and done better than to Princeton and HLS where she was clearly over her head.
Her anger is at AA --she just can't acknowledge that yet.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 05:20 PM
Ben - from the Enquirer? Wow. Just a week ago they were calling for a race war if Obama lost.
Wasn't a news article. In the blog section.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Obama_winning_Pa_--_doesnt_feel_that_way.html
Posted by: ben | September 23, 2008 at 05:21 PM
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Posted by: con | September 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Real Clear Politics
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM
I have something from your Grandfather, he claims he never lost...........
Posted by: con | September 23, 2008 at 05:30 PM
And the Media Worries about Palin's Experience and McCain's Age?
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 05:31 PM
“Barack and I just recently paid off the last of our educational loans!”
According to a Newsmax article, the Obama campaign said Michelle misspoke when she made a similar claim in Haverford, Pa last April:
Curious.
Posted by: MJW | September 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Clarice, I just looked at the Pi Lamb page in my 1966 Wisconsin Badger. It says, The Pi Lamb's (sic) weren't found under cabbages like everyone else was: they spilled out of a coal shoot into a pile.
The photo is taken on a real mountain of coal. Heh.
Posted by: Caro | September 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
MayBee - if the government would only forgive her student loans, she could afford to pay more in taxes.
Why are you criticizing her when she just wants to be able to demonstrate her patriotism?
Posted by: bgates | September 23, 2008 at 05:34 PM
PD
Detroit Metro Group either has the numbers for BO & MP Reversed or the +/- Obama Column wrong.
The body of the report on page one has Detroit metro +9 for Obama so that back chart is transposed.
Still Macomb and Oakland are almost cancelling out Wayne Co! It will be worse than that for Obama I think, Detroit wont have the machine to make up voters and the suburbs are going to go stronger than this even for McCain/Palin.
Posted by: GMax | September 23, 2008 at 05:35 PM
reproductive rights
That is such a bullshit phrase.
Posted by: Jane | September 23, 2008 at 05:37 PM
bgates- ha!
jane- anything that falls under the heading of 'women's issues' or 'family issues' is a bullshit phrase.
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Beldar has more grist for Charlie's mill
Prime quote:
But wait, there's more! To further his theme that "once a powerful patron becomes a major liability, Palin is quick to jettison him," Mr. Talbot brings us the sad story of former Alaska state representative Victor Kohring, who Talbot describes as "another key Palin supporter during her political rise in Mat-Su Valley." Talbot tells us that Kohring feels "betrayed" by Sarah Palin.
"He thinks she's an opportunist, pure and simple," reports Talbot of Kohring's views (as relayed through a friend), and "she didn't give him [i.e., Kohring] the time of day." Indeed, Sarah Palin "called on [Kohring] to resign his office," which he "regarded ... as a great insult, a personal betrayal." Oh, my!
This sad story might be a bit more moving, however, and Talbot's tale of Gov. Palin's turn-coat tendencies more persuasive, were former state representative Kohring's own present residence somewhere other than "the Taft minimum security prison outside Bakersfield, Calif."
He's serving his sentence on federal corruption charges — poor fellow.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 05:51 PM
jane- anything that falls under the heading of 'women's issues' or 'family issues' is a bullshit phrase.
I truly believe that. And I'm about to include "minority issues" under the same banner.
Posted by: Jane | September 23, 2008 at 05:52 PM
caro, words are insufficient to describe what that place was like from about 1959-1963.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 05:54 PM
GMax: Worse for Obama, it seems that Saginaw/Flint/Bay City area (an erstwhile Democratic stronghold with union strength) is going for McCain by 8%. I believe Kerry won this region by 10 points or so in 2004
Posted by: sam | September 23, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Speaking of Pearl Harbor, just got back from watching half a dozen hummingbirds play kamakazi pilot around the feeders.
It's a beautiful day.
Anybody else want to cash in what's left of their 401ks, buy a boat and sail around the Caribbean?
The way things seem to be going, might as well...
Posted by: Verner | September 23, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Even, I'm sorry to say Jewish issues. A number of Jewsish organizations sold out Israel this very week for abortion (per Caroline Glick Jerusalem Post)
In the meantime, Catholicvote2008 has come up with this astonishingly good video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Hah. BTDT.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 05:59 PM
Verner,
I had a humming bird do a kamikazze on me behind my left ear when I was sitting atop what was purported to be Quetzalcoatl's grave near Hautla, Mexico.
I decided that it meant I was supposed to climb farther up the mountain.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
GMax - I am still cautiously optimistic about a MP win here. I will be the happiest JOM Poster if that does occur.
I wonder if the DPS Child Count Tomorrow will give any indication as to "fraud" in Wayne Co... The numbers are supposed to be below 100,000 which means the DPS will lose standing and money (sad to see that happen).
OT - My daughter's team won their division at a tourney a couple weeks ago. They are 1-1 in league play so far.
Posted by: PDinDetroit | September 23, 2008 at 06:03 PM
I truly believe that. And I'm about to include "minority issues" under the same banner.
Join me here, under that very banner.
Issues are issues, and people of any race, gender, or religion can agree with them or not.
Then we have "rights", which too often translates into "something I want so badly that even if the majority doesn't agree, I will declare it BIGGER than a mere majority-rules issue".
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Obama returns to Chicago for two fund-raising events tonight.
Chicago Sun Times
Compare that with McCain pulling Palin from fundraising efforts to get the crowds and get them energized.
I think Zero is in a world of hurt and it will begin telling soon as the volume of fire from his side starts to decline.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:11 PM
JM Hanes: re your Hotlinks Cheat Sheet.
That's very good — except that you show the URL bracketed by open and close (left and right) double quotes, which is incorrect. The URL string must be surrounded by simple, non-directional double quotes.
Posted by: Michael McNeil | September 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM
PD,
What is DPS? And what is the child count? And why does it matter?
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:13 PM
A comment from Biased BBC
"John Bosworth:
Compare and contrast:
Question: Who thinks Sen. John McCain is "absentminded" and "terrible" and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, doesn't have any appropriate experience? Who thinks Sen. Barack Obama is "highly educated" and "eloquent" and would serve the world much better and improve America's overall situation? Who thinks Sen. Joe Biden is a "very respectable" man with a "good reputation"? Who said "McCain doesn't know anything, poor thing. He is terrible. Let me tell you, he's awful"? No, not Matt or Justin...
Answer: Mohammad-Ali Fardanesh, a political science professor at Shahid Behshti University, speaking on the REPUBLIC OF IRAN TELEVISION NETWORK.
Any of it sound familiar?"
Looks like the Ayatollahs are guarding over Obama,the 12th Imam
Posted by: PeterUK | September 23, 2008 at 06:13 PM
Here is how you make permalinks:
<a href="url">text to display</a>
replace url with:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/
leave the quote marks
replace text to display
with: Power and Control
Power and Control
If you keep a cheat sheet (text file) up of your most commonly used forms it is really easy.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:15 PM
M. Simon, funny that the aztec named their war god after a hummingbird, but see them in action and you know why.
Clarice, I get soooo sick of abortion being used as a litmus test issue. As Mme de Rothchild Forrester said, democrats tie it around women's necks like an anchor.
Abortion will always be legal in this country. If Roe is repealed, and it should be because it is bad law, state legislatures will pass laws to make it legal--many already have.
The only real battle is over things like whether the federal government should pay for it, parental notification and late term abortion. The vast majority of American people support both parental notification and a ban on lateterm except under extreme conditions like life of the mother, which hardly exist with today's modern medicine.
It is nothing but a pathetic scare tactic. Reagan didn't overturn Roe, and neither did either of the Bush administrations.
I really wish more smart moderate democrat women would stand up and tell it like it is. Maybe the PUMAs will.
Posted by: Verner | September 23, 2008 at 06:17 PM
M. Simon- on typepad, you can get away with no quotation marks at all.
I do!
Posted by: MayBee | September 23, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Baby vampires have to be stopped. We have to clone and safety the females.
Posted by: DSW | September 23, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Good work, Patti Solis Doyle.
Posted by: Elliott | September 23, 2008 at 06:22 PM
Yes, I never use the quote marks here.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 06:27 PM
Via Instapundit:
CHARLIE MARTIN IS dissecting the Palin rumor mill. Notice how the press in general isn't as interested in exploring or debunking these as it was with the Obama rumors? Martin: "In my new and unexpected role as the Pajamas Media answer to Hedda Hopper, Iâve spent a lot of time looking at the rumors about Sarah Palin that have appeared in the weeks since John McCain announced her nomination. (The new list is up to 91 and still growing.) Its given me a whole new insight into rumors and how the press responds to them. It seems to be very predictable â and very artificial."
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Republican Platform Specifically Opposes Government Bailouts Of Private Industry
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 06:36 PM
M.Simon - DPS stands for Detroit Public Schools. See LUN - they have a Student Count tomorrow and it is expected to be under 100K.
My thought was to see if the number *somehow* makes it just over 100,000. It appears that it would be fraud it if does.
For whatever reason, I think that if the number is low then GMax is completely right and Wayne Co will not bring in MI for Obama. If the number is high, then I think the voter fraud will be rampant in Wayne Co (as already indicated by the Detroit Free Press) and Obama may take MI.
Having the voting places here in schools just makes me a little nervous, escpecially if you know how things happen in Detroit...
Posted by: PDinDetroit | September 23, 2008 at 06:37 PM
MayBee,
I like to give the universal form. You know - conformance to standards.
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:39 PM
We need to have a standard platform plank that says "But we're not required by these platform planks to be complete idiots."
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Via Suitably Flip:
Very good news, unless Obey's off the reservation or there's another shoe to drop.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 06:40 PM
In any case, the problem here is that government interference has already broken things.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Ho-hum, just another Instalanche.
;-)
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Sara,
That horse has already left the barn it lived in.
What we need to do is to get the government out of Mortgage Backed Securities so it won't happen again.
Let us stipulate that saving the financial system will indeed have the effect of saving many of the financial institutions and their operators. In the current mood of the nation and the press, this is regarded as a bad thing. Satisfaction will be attained only when every one of these people has been bankrupted, and 6,000 investment bankers crucified along I-95.
This reaction is a bit like protesting against patching the hole in an ocean liner because doing so will save those who made the crucial navigational errors. Watching the navigator sink beneath the waves might be fun, but one's pleasure will be short and gurgly. So let's get real. While some unjustified enrichment is possible, for the most part, if the financial institutions survive and prosper it will not be because they have been "bailed out" but because the system has been saved. So take a deep breath and say "This is good." In the Midwesternism of my youth, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."
Keep your node on
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:42 PM
How about "Keep your nose on"
Posted by: M. Simon | September 23, 2008 at 06:43 PM
"This reaction is a bit like protesting against patching the hole in an ocean liner because doing so will save those who made the crucial navigational errors. Watching the navigator sink beneath the waves might be fun, but one's pleasure will be short and gurgly."
Word.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 23, 2008 at 06:44 PM
DISCLAIMER: Hey, I just post the links, I neither approve or disapprove of the content.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 23, 2008 at 06:46 PM
via Glenn
Charlie Martin:
Dissecting the Palin Rumor Mill"
Posted by: DebinNC | September 23, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Sara-
The Interior Department estimates there are 18 billion barrels of recoverable oil beneath coastal waters now off-limits.
I really wish the AP would start getting this right-its 84.5 billion recoverable (GOM, Atlantic, Pacific, Alaska) and the USGS Arctic survey has not been completed in and around Alaska (which might double the previous estimates there).
Posted by: RichatUF | September 23, 2008 at 06:56 PM
M. Simon-
Point out that International ANSWER and Michelle Malkin's position are indistinguishable. If I happened into a position which was close to (or in this case the same as) ANSWER, I'd carefully re-examine it.
Posted by: RichatUF | September 23, 2008 at 07:00 PM
Please avert your eyes ,dear readers, I have to pop Chaco one upside the head *Crack,Bam!*
O.K., carry on.
Posted by: clarice | September 23, 2008 at 07:03 PM
Exit question ...
Q: Why was Herbert Hoover was President in 1929 ?
A: Apparently because the Governor of New York, FDR, was lost looking for a non-existent TV station.
Posted by: Neo | September 23, 2008 at 07:04 PM
"Many people also don’t know that John McCain has voted with George Bush more than 90 percent of the time — including to continue Bush’s failed Iraq policies, not investigating the government response to Katrina, not supporting children’s health care, not supporting college benefits for returning veterans, and passing tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the middle class."
Malkin has a new video of MO. It's a howler and I must say the ugliest shirt and hairdo todate. Where's JMH?
Posted by: Ann | September 23, 2008 at 07:04 PM