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kim

I've a quibble with one of their points; I'm not sure she could have returned the money even if she wanted to do so, and furthermore, why should she? She had better uses for it.
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Deagle

Yes, she did initially support it, but she did come around to the correct decision. Awaiting other politicians to do the same - oh heck, even similar.

There is nothing wrong with changing your mind if it is the right thing to do. Heck even Obama now agrees that tax hikes during a down economy may not be a good thing.

Ranger

The entire "They didn't return the money so they aren't really against earmarks" kind of misses the whole point. Earmarks don't generally take add to a states federal funds (at least in terms of transportation), they just limit what the state itself can do with the funds. Presumably Alaska would have gotten the same amount of federal transportation money with or without the bridge. By killing a project that requires joint funding a state is simply taking money they would have gotten any way and using it more effectivly.

paul

if palin deserves no credit...

who does the article credit with the cancellation of the project?

if I read this correctly, her state, under her direction, chose to spend the money elsewhere.

is this a case in dc, where 'success is the orphan?'

Charlie (Colorado)

The Democrats in Alaska don't agree.

Patrick R. Sullivan

As I just pointed out to Charlie Colorado in another thread, there's little to suggest Sarah ever favored the BTNW. She did sympathize with Ketchicanians in 2006 being labeled as 'nowhere', but that's about it.

The NY Times in September 2007 credited her with canceling the prlject:

Gov. Sarah Palin ordered state transportation officials to abandon the ''bridge to nowhere'' project that became a nationwide symbol of federal pork-barrel spending. The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on one island in southeastern Alaska, to its airport on another nearby island. ''Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport,'' Ms. Palin, a Republican, said in a news release, ''but the $398 million bridge is not the answer.'' She directed the State Transportation Department to find the most ''fiscally responsible'' alternative for access to the airport. Ketchikan is Alaska's entry port for northbound cruise ships that bring more than one million visitors yearly. Flights into Gravina Island require a 15-minute ferry ride to reach the more densely populated Revillagigedo Island and Ketchikan.

Sorry, Charlie. She had nothing to do with it. As she told Charlie Rose, Alaska was entitled to Federal funds for highways (and bridges), just as every other state. But, she took it and applied them to other infrastructure.

Deagle

Heh... guess that just goes to show that I can't believe everything I read in the media.

Thanks Charlie and Patrick...

Cecil Turner

Everything about the bridge argument is dishonest or misleading, so I admit my standards aren't very high. But Palin did, in fact, finally kill the project:

September 21, 2007, Juneau, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today directed the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities to look for the most fiscally responsible alternative for access to the Ketchikan airport and Gravina Island instead of proceeding any further with the proposed $398 million bridge.
The earmark itself didn't provide funding for the bridge, it merely provided a requirement to spend it on bridge building. Hence when the earmark was eliminated, the NY Times gets it right describing it as:
eliminating a requirement that $442 million be spent to build the two bridges
Efforts to redirect the money to Katrina victims foundered on budgeting practicalities:
In opposing Senator Coburn’s amendment to defund the bridge, one prominent Senator told a closed-door meeting of conservatives that the plan was simply impractical. Many of the earmarks, he claimed, are counted towards a state’s equity bonus and thus are part of the state-by-state allocation formula. Defunding the bridge, he said, would direct at most $75 million to Louisiana, with the remaining $148 million returning to Alaska as money the state could use at its discretion for road projects.
Blaming that on Palin, or suggesting she should "give money back" is at best unlettered.

Moreover, the idea that highway funds are based "per capita" is obviously nonsense. Based on square mileage, I have no doubt Alaska's request is the most frugal in the nation.

BumperStickerist

To be fair, "Bridge to Nowhere" is a bit of a misnomer ... and a tad insulting to the Ketchazketchcanners who live there.

So kudos to Palin for the Nowhere 99901 tshirt.

and, let's be reasonable, perhaps she employed some strategery here - luring the bridge in close and then killing it.

Like a moose.

GMax

Make that you cant believe anything in the media without a fact check these days. The NYT runs an article about Palin being a AIP member that they must retract within a day. Based on losing reporting, no checking of voter registration records nor even giving the subject of the smear a chance to respond. Pitiful really, they teach this stuff in high school journalism classes but the media finds stuff too good to check all the time.

paul

who wanted the bridge?
ted stevens and don young...

palin had nothing to do with ending young's career, right?

I realize that she had previously supported the bridge, while campaigning...but is there any story of her time as ceo of alaska where she still wanted it?

it would appear that she was guilt of pandering to get elected, but her opinion changed when she became governor.

please wsj(online)...who deserves the praise?

kimsch

Obama and Biden voted FOR the bridge even after Coburn gave them the opportunity to divert that particular money to Katrina Relief.

Little Green Footballs

Sue

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/us/politics/09donate.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp>Oh well at least Palin isn't going to have to worry about fund raising all that much.

After months of record-breaking fund-raising, a new sense of urgency in Senator Barack Obama’s fund-raising team is palpable as the full weight of the campaign’s decision to bypass public financing for the general election is suddenly upon it.
daves

Both obama and obiden voted for the earmark to fund the bridge. both voted against redirecting the money to louisiana.

They were for the bridge to nowhere and apparently, they are still for the bridge to nowhere.

You would have to be "stupid to make this stuff up."

paul

I just saw anderson cooper (11:47)make the point, that CNN had reported that she supported the bridge while running for governor, but stopped it when she was governor...

anderson cooper made a reference to this as 'setting the record straight', in waht would appear to be their failure to report her subsequent role.

apparently, 360 doesn't read wsj online, but it may be possible that wsj is watching anderson cooper...

PS-the channel was on cnn, I wasn't watching Anderson Cooper, I AM NOT GAY....

daves

link to vote

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere%2C1628/

RichatUF

Re: Bridge to No-Where.

I found these references in the Ketchikan Daily News at the time she was campaigning:

Candidates discuss bridge
10/11/2006
Alaska gubernatorial candidates Andrew Halcro, Tony Knowles and Sarah Palin aren't committing themselves to keep the $195 million recommended by Gov. Frank Murkowski for the Gravina Access bridge in the state's capital budget for fiscal year 2008

and

'Why I should be governor': Candidates make their pitches
9/21/2006
All three candidates -- Sarah Palin, Tony Knowles and Andrew Halcro -- told the Ketchikan Chamber of Commerce and Southeast Conference luncheon audience that Alaska needs a fiscal plan

and

Bridges to growth
10/14/2006
Republican Sarah Palin said it's her understanding that other options can be considered. But & quot;if there is no alternative, I'm not going to stand in the way of progress toward this project being funded. I support the project. & quot;

I'm not going to spring for the archives, but the abstracts seem clear enough though that last article might need some spin. It seems that the "nuanced" take from the Anchorage Daily News and NYT is even a bit wide of the mark. She seemed to be leaning against the bridge even during her gubernatorial run in the area most effected whether it was built or not.

Pofarmer

Rich, that's my understanding of it. Her support looks like it was always with Caveats. The bridge was the Bently option. Obviously there are others.

Patrick R. Sullivan

I've found zero in any Alaska newspaper that Sarah was a proponent of this bridge. Where's the beef?

Or the moose?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This may be the lowest thing I've ever seen. I feel sick just from reading it:

The Left Choking on their Own Vomit

RichatUF

Pat-

Where's the beef?

Beats me. But I've noticed that Axelrod is astroturfing his new line of attack against Gov. Palin...sshhh...she's an "extremist".

DebinNC

WaPo: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home

Sue

Debbie,

That might stick. Dang...

M. Simon

Link to Bridge Vote

Pofarmer

WaPo: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home

Man, that's some weak tea right there.


Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin's expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.

Elliott

They've got her dead to rights now:

The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor's office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: "The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it."

Maybe not.


Jim Rhoads aka Vnjagvet

If the press held some of these stories a few days and checked them out like journalists used to do, Charlie would be out of business.

Pofarmer

What's really kind of duplicitious in that artic le is how the keep substituting Garnero nad Leihorn. As obove, sometimes one sentence after each other in the same paragraph. One is the Governors spokesman, the other, I imagine, is a democrat.

madawaskan

And so it begins-

The Republican campaign motto becomes-

Defend Sarah

When they had the winning one-

Defend America

McCain's campaign better get off this vector-

They've actually sent a memo out to Oregon delegates entitled-

Defend Palin-

So this is what the Republican campaign has become about?

Hanging the future of America on Sarah Palin's shoulders-that's an awful burden for anyone to carry.

Pofarmer

There's another one for Charlie to check out.

paul

"Defend Palin-

So this is what the Republican campaign has become about?"

as a campaign strategy, it is genius.

if they can turn this contest into a race between palin and obama, palin will win women voters.

it forced the media into covering the race/palin, diverting their ability to provide a economic scenario that favors obama.

palin sucked all the oxygen out of the room.

paul

interesting that this fluffpiece was written by two women from the wsj...

there is an alternate story about two other women from the wsj, that hit 9/8/08.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/08/hells-snowballs-steroids-mika-knocks-liberal-elite-palin-critics

"This is an argument Joe and I have about fairness and whether or not there are some sort of underlying unfairness when it comes to Republicans. And I just, you know, I feel it here," Brzezinski said referring to a Wall Street Journal op-ed by Katty Kay and Claire Shipman.

Mika Brzezinski on morning Joe (MSNBC)

seems like there are a ton of women who will eat their own...

M. Simon

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M. Simon

Hells Snowballs

PeterUK

Obama - lobbyists support in early career

PaulD

LOL So Obama attacks Palin on the bridge to nowhere only to have someone point out that McCain opposed it all along and both O'bama and Biden supported it. He looses the main battle (O'bama v. McCain) and looks weak spending his time attacing McCain's VP candidate, who at least got the issue right eventually.
O'Bama appears to be completely befuddled on how to address Palin.

Pagar

Good Morning to All!
So many good comments on so many good threads, takes a while to catch up.

M. Simon

Obama money machine broken with links to his overseas pals including fundraisers in Nigeria. All legit links. Check it out.

BTW why is Palin being sequestered? She is going to be doing 35 fund raisers in the next 60 days. While McCain is only going to do 4.

Smart. Very smart. They have beat up on the woman. Now let them have a go at the war hero.

See why they have to attack Palin? She is McCain's money machine.

M. Simon

Obama money machine broken with links to his overseas pals including fundraisers in Nigeria. All legit links. Check it out.

BTW why is Palin being sequestered? She is going to be doing 35 fund raisers in the next 60 days. While McCain is only going to do 4.

Smart. Very smart. They have beat up on the woman. Now let them have a go at the war hero.

See why they have to attack Palin? She is McCain's money machine.

M. Simon

So what is ∅bama to do?

I guess he can send out Joe Biden to raise money.

∅ has been outflanked. He is the only one on his team with enough star power to raise $$$.

I ♥ Sarah'cudda and Johnny Mac

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.


Neo

Is anybody really going to claim that She didn't stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.

Show me the Bridge to Nowhere

M. Simon

I was just looking at my referrer logs and found that I have had about 20 hits from Laos.

What the heck does that mean?

DebinNC

via Newsbusters: more on the WaPo per diem story

"Also, the article headline, "Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home," and some related content, is very misleading. A glance at the expense report reproduced on the Post's website makes it clear that she requested per diem for her daily expenses, but not for lodging, and that she apparently wrote "lodging--own home" only to explain why she wasn't requesting hotel expenses. One almost wonders whether the author of the story understands what a "per diem" is; the story notes that Palin rarely charged the state for meals when in Wasilla and Anchorage, but of course she didn't, because she instead just asked for the per diem!"

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

Neo

Here Elizabeth Holmes and Laura Meckler of the WSJ are stuck on stupid ..

At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year.
.. I know Obama hasn't been in the Senate long, but they seem to forget the other two years.
Their logic .. Johnny has 30 apples and oranges, but it's only 6 oranges

And again, Elizabeth Holmes and Laura Meckler are still stuck on stupid,

"Original Mavericks." The narrator of the 30-second spot boasts about the pair: "He fights pork-barrel spending. She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."
.. descending into talk of it comes with a "serious caveat", she kept the money for other projects. Seriously, are we to then assume that the Bridge to Nowhere has morphed into this other projects, when the real question is .. Show me the Bridge to Nowhere .. Show me the Bridge to Nowhere .. I'll settle for a picture of the construction site.

Do these people even bother to read their own copy ?

Neo

By their logic .. There were 4155 U.S. military deaths in Iraq, but it's only 248 this year .. it's true, but most Progressives would have to shallow pretty darn hard.

Extraneus

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

It's probably not possible to imagine the desperation. They'll be so beside themselves if she does ok with ABC this week, who knows what they'll do.

Pofarmer

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

Like I said, the whole thing is fundamentally dishonest reporting.

M. Simon

Steve Diamond of CAC fame posts at Scary Larry's

That Larry has been a great source for me.

M. Simon

From HuffPo - What is the R Advantage? - The writer has it sussed - It's the Press - Seriously

MarkO

This just in: Palin apparently a woman.

Film at 11.

M. Simon

Note:

Paul F. Villarreal commented on the Steve Diamond Thread.

M. Simon

From Scary Larry's:

A driver is stuck in a traffic jam going into downtown Chicago. Nothing Is Moving north or south. Suddenly a man knocks on his window.
The driver rolls down his window and asks, ‘What happened, what’s the hold Up?’
‘Terrorists have kidnapped Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and his wife, and the Reverends Wright and Pfleger. They are asking for a $10 Million ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection.’
The driver asks, ‘On average, how much is everyone giving?’

‘About a gallon.’

Semanticleo

Charlie Gibson is set to interview Palin, and although he is a creampuff and won't draw any blood, I predict a small hole punched in the dam will result in a tidal flow. The Press is itching to get at her. They got the bump, but will lose the hump. You can run, but you can't hide.

John Thacker

Ah, yes, the news part of WSJ. This part was amusing: "At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year."

But Sen. Obama has been in office more than this year and last. He has requested nearly a billion in earmarks ($913 million) over his term, as ABC's Jack Tapper notes and his own website. (He also claims that the numbers given for Gov. Palin's requests for Alaska while governor are smaller than the WSJ reports.)

I don't see how that "in fact" is justified.

Neo

M. Simon: Cruel but funny LOL

Neo

Thacker: It works about as well as ..
There were 4155 U.S. military deaths in Iraq. In fact, there were only 248 this year

Pofarmer

Comments
I've a quibble with one of their points; I'm not sure she could have returned the money even if she wanted to do so, and furthermore, why should she? She had better uses for it.
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Posted by: kim | September 08, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Yes, she did initially support it, but she did come around to the correct decision. Awaiting other politicians to do the same - oh heck, even similar.

There is nothing wrong with changing your mind if it is the right thing to do. Heck even Obama now agrees that tax hikes during a down economy may not be a good thing.

Posted by: Deagle | September 08, 2008 at 10:55 PM

The entire "They didn't return the money so they aren't really against earmarks" kind of misses the whole point. Earmarks don't generally take add to a states federal funds (at least in terms of transportation), they just limit what the state itself can do with the funds. Presumably Alaska would have gotten the same amount of federal transportation money with or without the bridge. By killing a project that requires joint funding a state is simply taking money they would have gotten any way and using it more effectivly.

Posted by: Ranger | September 08, 2008 at 10:59 PM

if palin deserves no credit...

who does the article credit with the cancellation of the project?

if I read this correctly, her state, under her direction, chose to spend the money elsewhere.

is this a case in dc, where 'success is the orphan?'

Posted by: paul | September 08, 2008 at 11:00 PM

The Democrats in Alaska don't agree.

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | September 08, 2008 at 11:07 PM

As I just pointed out to Charlie Colorado in another thread, there's little to suggest Sarah ever favored the BTNW. She did sympathize with Ketchicanians in 2006 being labeled as 'nowhere', but that's about it.

The NY Times in September 2007 credited her with canceling the prlject:

Gov. Sarah Palin ordered state transportation officials to abandon the ''bridge to nowhere'' project that became a nationwide symbol of federal pork-barrel spending. The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on one island in southeastern Alaska, to its airport on another nearby island. ''Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport,'' Ms. Palin, a Republican, said in a news release, ''but the $398 million bridge is not the answer.'' She directed the State Transportation Department to find the most ''fiscally responsible'' alternative for access to the airport. Ketchikan is Alaska's entry port for northbound cruise ships that bring more than one million visitors yearly. Flights into Gravina Island require a 15-minute ferry ride to reach the more densely populated Revillagigedo Island and Ketchikan.
Sorry, Charlie. She had nothing to do with it. As she told Charlie Rose, Alaska was entitled to Federal funds for highways (and bridges), just as every other state. But, she took it and applied them to other infrastructure.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan | September 08, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Heh... guess that just goes to show that I can't believe everything I read in the media.

Thanks Charlie and Patrick...

Posted by: Deagle | September 08, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Everything about the bridge argument is dishonest or misleading, so I admit my standards aren't very high. But Palin did, in fact, finally kill the project:

September 21, 2007, Juneau, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today directed the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities to look for the most fiscally responsible alternative for access to the Ketchikan airport and Gravina Island instead of proceeding any further with the proposed $398 million bridge.
The earmark itself didn't provide funding for the bridge, it merely provided a requirement to spend it on bridge building. Hence when the earmark was eliminated, the NY Times gets it right describing it as:
eliminating a requirement that $442 million be spent to build the two bridges
Efforts to redirect the money to Katrina victims foundered on budgeting practicalities:
In opposing Senator Coburn’s amendment to defund the bridge, one prominent Senator told a closed-door meeting of conservatives that the plan was simply impractical. Many of the earmarks, he claimed, are counted towards a state’s equity bonus and thus are part of the state-by-state allocation formula. Defunding the bridge, he said, would direct at most $75 million to Louisiana, with the remaining $148 million returning to Alaska as money the state could use at its discretion for road projects.
Blaming that on Palin, or suggesting she should "give money back" is at best unlettered.

Moreover, the idea that highway funds are based "per capita" is obviously nonsense. Based on square mileage, I have no doubt Alaska's request is the most frugal in the nation.

Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 08, 2008 at 11:25 PM

To be fair, "Bridge to Nowhere" is a bit of a misnomer ... and a tad insulting to the Ketchazketchcanners who live there.

So kudos to Palin for the Nowhere 99901 tshirt.

and, let's be reasonable, perhaps she employed some strategery here - luring the bridge in close and then killing it.

Like a moose.

Posted by: BumperStickerist | September 08, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Make that you cant believe anything in the media without a fact check these days. The NYT runs an article about Palin being a AIP member that they must retract within a day. Based on losing reporting, no checking of voter registration records nor even giving the subject of the smear a chance to respond. Pitiful really, they teach this stuff in high school journalism classes but the media finds stuff too good to check all the time.

Posted by: GMax | September 08, 2008 at 11:30 PM

who wanted the bridge?
ted stevens and don young...

palin had nothing to do with ending young's career, right?

I realize that she had previously supported the bridge, while campaigning...but is there any story of her time as ceo of alaska where she still wanted it?

it would appear that she was guilt of pandering to get elected, but her opinion changed when she became governor.

please wsj(online)...who deserves the praise?

Posted by: paul | September 08, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Obama and Biden voted FOR the bridge even after Coburn gave them the opportunity to divert that particular money to Katrina Relief.

Little Green Footballs

Posted by: kimsch | September 08, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Oh well at least Palin isn't going to have to worry about fund raising all that much.

After months of record-breaking fund-raising, a new sense of urgency in Senator Barack Obama’s fund-raising team is palpable as the full weight of the campaign’s decision to bypass public financing for the general election is suddenly upon it.
Posted by: Sue | September 08, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Both obama and obiden voted for the earmark to fund the bridge. both voted against redirecting the money to louisiana.

They were for the bridge to nowhere and apparently, they are still for the bridge to nowhere.

You would have to be "stupid to make this stuff up."

Posted by: daves | September 08, 2008 at 11:51 PM

I just saw anderson cooper (11:47)make the point, that CNN had reported that she supported the bridge while running for governor, but stopped it when she was governor...

anderson cooper made a reference to this as 'setting the record straight', in waht would appear to be their failure to report her subsequent role.

apparently, 360 doesn't read wsj online, but it may be possible that wsj is watching anderson cooper...

PS-the channel was on cnn, I wasn't watching Anderson Cooper, I AM NOT GAY....

Posted by: paul | September 08, 2008 at 11:52 PM

link to vote

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere%2C1628/

Posted by: daves | September 08, 2008 at 11:55 PM

Re: Bridge to No-Where.

I found these references in the Ketchikan Daily News at the time she was campaigning:

Candidates discuss bridge
10/11/2006
Alaska gubernatorial candidates Andrew Halcro, Tony Knowles and Sarah Palin aren't committing themselves to keep the $195 million recommended by Gov. Frank Murkowski for the Gravina Access bridge in the state's capital budget for fiscal year 2008

and

'Why I should be governor': Candidates make their pitches
9/21/2006
All three candidates -- Sarah Palin, Tony Knowles and Andrew Halcro -- told the Ketchikan Chamber of Commerce and Southeast Conference luncheon audience that Alaska needs a fiscal plan

and

Bridges to growth
10/14/2006
Republican Sarah Palin said it's her understanding that other options can be considered. But & quot;if there is no alternative, I'm not going to stand in the way of progress toward this project being funded. I support the project. & quot;

I'm not going to spring for the archives, but the abstracts seem clear enough though that last article might need some spin. It seems that the "nuanced" take from the Anchorage Daily News and NYT is even a bit wide of the mark. She seemed to be leaning against the bridge even during her gubernatorial run in the area most effected whether it was built or not.

Posted by: RichatUF | September 09, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Rich, that's my understanding of it. Her support looks like it was always with Caveats. The bridge was the Bently option. Obviously there are others.

Posted by: Pofarmer | September 09, 2008 at 12:15 AM

I've found zero in any Alaska newspaper that Sarah was a proponent of this bridge. Where's the beef?

Or the moose?

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan | September 09, 2008 at 12:20 AM

This may be the lowest thing I've ever seen. I feel sick just from reading it:

The Left Choking on their Own Vomit

Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 09, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Pat-

Where's the beef?

Beats me. But I've noticed that Axelrod is astroturfing his new line of attack against Gov. Palin...sshhh...she's an "extremist".

Posted by: RichatUF | September 09, 2008 at 12:32 AM

WaPo: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home


Posted by: DebinNC | September 09, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Debbie,

That might stick. Dang...

Posted by: Sue | September 09, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Link to Bridge Vote

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM

WaPo: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home


Man, that's some weak tea right there.


Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin's expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.


Posted by: Pofarmer | September 09, 2008 at 01:06 AM

They've got her dead to rights now:

The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor's office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: "The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it."
Maybe not.


Posted by: Elliott | September 09, 2008 at 01:22 AM

If the press held some of these stories a few days and checked them out like journalists used to do, Charlie would be out of business.

Posted by: Jim Rhoads aka Vnjagvet | September 09, 2008 at 01:38 AM

What's really kind of duplicitious in that artic le is how the keep substituting Garnero nad Leihorn. As obove, sometimes one sentence after each other in the same paragraph. One is the Governors spokesman, the other, I imagine, is a democrat.

Posted by: Pofarmer | September 09, 2008 at 03:18 AM

And so it begins-

The Republican campaign motto becomes-

Defend Sarah

When they had the winning one-

Defend America

McCain's campaign better get off this vector-

They've actually sent a memo out to Oregon delegates entitled-

Defend Palin-

So this is what the Republican campaign has become about?

Hanging the future of America on Sarah Palin's shoulders-that's an awful burden for anyone to carry.

Posted by: madawaskan | September 09, 2008 at 03:24 AM

There's another one for Charlie to check out.

Posted by: Pofarmer | September 09, 2008 at 03:37 AM

"Defend Palin-

So this is what the Republican campaign has become about?"

as a campaign strategy, it is genius.

if they can turn this contest into a race between palin and obama, palin will win women voters.

it forced the media into covering the race/palin, diverting their ability to provide a economic scenario that favors obama.

palin sucked all the oxygen out of the room.


Posted by: paul | September 09, 2008 at 03:38 AM

interesting that this fluffpiece was written by two women from the wsj...

there is an alternate story about two other women from the wsj, that hit 9/8/08.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/08/hells-snowballs-steroids-mika-knocks-liberal-elite-palin-critics

"This is an argument Joe and I have about fairness and whether or not there are some sort of underlying unfairness when it comes to Republicans. And I just, you know, I feel it here," Brzezinski said referring to a Wall Street Journal op-ed by Katty Kay and Claire Shipman.

Mika Brzezinski on morning Joe (MSNBC)

seems like there are a ton of women who will eat their own...

Posted by: paul | September 09, 2008 at 04:02 AM

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Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 04:39 AM

Hells Snowballs

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 04:41 AM

Obama - lobbyists support in early career

Posted by: PeterUK | September 09, 2008 at 05:45 AM

LOL So Obama attacks Palin on the bridge to nowhere only to have someone point out that McCain opposed it all along and both O'bama and Biden supported it. He looses the main battle (O'bama v. McCain) and looks weak spending his time attacing McCain's VP candidate, who at least got the issue right eventually.
O'Bama appears to be completely befuddled on how to address Palin.


Posted by: PaulD | September 09, 2008 at 06:46 AM

Good Morning to All!
So many good comments on so many good threads, takes a while to catch up.

Posted by: Pagar | September 09, 2008 at 07:05 AM

Obama money machine broken with links to his overseas pals including fundraisers in Nigeria. All legit links. Check it out.

BTW why is Palin being sequestered? She is going to be doing 35 fund raisers in the next 60 days. While McCain is only going to do 4.

Smart. Very smart. They have beat up on the woman. Now let them have a go at the war hero.

See why they have to attack Palin? She is McCain's money machine.

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 07:11 AM

Obama money machine broken with links to his overseas pals including fundraisers in Nigeria. All legit links. Check it out.

BTW why is Palin being sequestered? She is going to be doing 35 fund raisers in the next 60 days. While McCain is only going to do 4.

Smart. Very smart. They have beat up on the woman. Now let them have a go at the war hero.

See why they have to attack Palin? She is McCain's money machine.

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 07:11 AM

So what is ∅bama to do?

I guess he can send out Joe Biden to raise money.

∅ has been outflanked. He is the only one on his team with enough star power to raise $$$.

I ♥ Sarah'cudda and Johnny Mac

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.


Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 07:26 AM

Is anybody really going to claim that She didn't stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.

Show me the Bridge to Nowhere

Posted by: Neo | September 09, 2008 at 08:00 AM

I was just looking at my referrer logs and found that I have had about 20 hits from Laos.

What the heck does that mean?

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 08:24 AM

via Newsbusters: more on the WaPo per diem story

"Also, the article headline, "Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home," and some related content, is very misleading. A glance at the expense report reproduced on the Post's website makes it clear that she requested per diem for her daily expenses, but not for lodging, and that she apparently wrote "lodging--own home" only to explain why she wasn't requesting hotel expenses. One almost wonders whether the author of the story understands what a "per diem" is; the story notes that Palin rarely charged the state for meals when in Wasilla and Anchorage, but of course she didn't, because she instead just asked for the per diem!"

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

Posted by: DebinNC | September 09, 2008 at 08:27 AM

Here Elizabeth Holmes and Laura Meckler of the WSJ are stuck on stupid ..

At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year.
.. I know Obama hasn't been in the Senate long, but they seem to forget the other two years.
Their logic .. Johnny has 30 apples and oranges, but it's only 6 oranges

And again, Elizabeth Holmes and Laura Meckler are still stuck on stupid,

"Original Mavericks." The narrator of the 30-second spot boasts about the pair: "He fights pork-barrel spending. She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."
.. descending into talk of it comes with a "serious caveat", she kept the money for other projects. Seriously, are we to then assume that the Bridge to Nowhere has morphed into this other projects, when the real question is .. Show me the Bridge to Nowhere .. Show me the Bridge to Nowhere .. I'll settle for a picture of the construction site.

Do these people even bother to read their own copy ?

Posted by: Neo | September 09, 2008 at 08:38 AM

By their logic .. There were 4155 U.S. military deaths in Iraq, but it's only 248 this year .. it's true, but most Progressives would have to shallow pretty darn hard.

Posted by: Neo | September 09, 2008 at 08:49 AM

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

It's probably not possible to imagine the desperation. They'll be so beside themselves if she does ok with ABC this week, who knows what they'll do.

Posted by: Extraneus | September 09, 2008 at 08:50 AM

Wouldn't her total per diem of ~$17,000 be less than the cost of keeping the personal chef position she eliminated?

Like I said, the whole thing is fundamentally dishonest reporting.

Posted by: Pofarmer | September 09, 2008 at 09:00 AM

Steve Diamond of CAC fame posts at Scary Larry's

That Larry has been a great source for me.

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 09:00 AM

From HuffPo - What is the R Advantage? - The writer has it sussed - It's the Press - Seriously

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 09:03 AM

This just in: Palin apparently a woman.

Film at 11.

Posted by: MarkO | September 09, 2008 at 09:05 AM

Note:

Paul F. Villarreal commented on the Steve Diamond Thread.

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 09:18 AM

From Scary Larry's:

A driver is stuck in a traffic jam going into downtown Chicago. Nothing Is Moving north or south. Suddenly a man knocks on his window.
The driver rolls down his window and asks, ‘What happened, what’s the hold Up?’
‘Terrorists have kidnapped Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and his wife, and the Reverends Wright and Pfleger. They are asking for a $10 Million ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection.’
The driver asks, ‘On average, how much is everyone giving?’

‘About a gallon.’

Posted by: M. Simon | September 09, 2008 at 09:30 AM

Charlie Gibson is set to interview Palin, and although he is a creampuff and won't draw any blood, I predict a small hole punched in the dam will result in a tidal flow. The Press is itching to get at her. They got the bump, but will lose the hump. You can run, but you can't hide.

Yeah, because Palin has never done an interview, or a debate.

Pofarmer

O.K.

I don't have a clue what happened. But I blame this flue I've got.

Sue

LOL. I expected to see some obscure poster, not our beloved Pofarmer, at the end of that longish post.

boris

Well that about sums it up alright.

boris

Instead of one comment he got the entire thread. Oooops.

SunnyDay

BWAHAHAHA!!! You copied the whole page.

clarice

Jonah Goldberg has an excellent piece in the LAT:
"The more Obama has to explain why being a community organizer -- or a state legislator, or a one-term senator with few accomplishments under his belt -- is better preparation for the presidency than being a mayor or governor, the more he volunteers his own shortcomings when compared with McCain.

Besides, on paper, Obama doesn't stand up very well against Palin. All of the mythic themes of Obama's political narrative -- the ethics reformer, the bipartisan, the new kind of politician -- all look like press-release material next to Palin's accomplishments. Obama voted the Democratic Party line more often (97%) than McCain voted in accord with President Bush (90%). In Washington, Obama's supposedly "sweeping" ethics reform -- which forces congressmen to eat lobbyist-provided meals standing up instead of sitting down -- and his feckless reforms in Illinois make him look the Bambi to Palin's Godzilla.

Obama's idea of ethics reform is to mandate clean sheets in the brothel. Palin's is to tear it down.

The most unsportsmanlike conduct in the days to come will be the search for Palin gaffes, of which there undoubtedly will be many. The media will call fouls on her that they never call on the other candidates. Over the last week, Obama misspoke and referred to his "Muslim faith" on ABC's "This Week" and told a rally how excited he was to be in "New Pennsylvania." Perhaps that's one of the 57 states he once claimed to campaign in?

And let's not forget Biden, whose gaffes are the unavoidable byproduct of his limitless gasbaggery. Biden could shout on "Meet the Press," "Get these squirrels off of me!" and the collective response would be, "There goes Joe again." But if Palin flubs the name of the deputy agriculture minister of Kyrgyzstan, the media will blow their whistles saying she's unprepared for the job."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg9-2008sep09,0,3387389.column> Palin MVP

Sue

But I blame this flue I've got.

I'm sorry you're not feeling well. Drink lots of liquids.

boris

Pofarmer's right, Cleo's attempt at party pooping was pretty lame. Just phone it in why doncha Cleo.

TeleBozo

ClaraBellTell

Somewhere there is a rodeo missing their clown.

GMax

I cant tell you this, the Ft. Worth rodeo would never hire Cleo. The job requirements are to be nimble, quick on your feet and to be able to create a distraction. zero for three in my book.

Semanticleo

Using the MSM canard 'arch enemy' is just a defense mechanism. Palin was the only way they could get their base to show at the polls.

It's too bad they couldn't wait until Halloween for their Convention. It might have worked.

As it is, there is time to deflate this balloon.

Walter

But I blame this flue I've got.

Get it fixed.

Now. Before the heating season begins in earnest.

Carbon monoxide poisoning is deadly.

Pofarmer

Palin was the only way they could get their base to show at the polls.

Heaven forbid Johnny Mac would put a conservative on the ticket. At least we've gotten by the sexism meme.

As it is, there is time to deflate this balloon.

Yep, and there's a pretty good chance it could continue to expand and grow, too. You are predicating on Palin doing poorly in interviews and debates. I doubt that's a really safe bet. When somebody is working from principles, the rest is easy. When somebody has to hide their principles(like Obama) then every utterance is calculated.

Extraneus

Obama puts heat on Palin as she boosts GOP ticket


He released his own ad in response to the GOP spot that says McCain and Palin are "politicians lying about their records."

He's risking a devastating uppercut from McCain.

thelonereader

"Palin was the only way they could get their base to show at the polls."
Leo,
And this is a bad thing because........????

"As it is, there is time to deflate this balloon."
And leo, you really should just worry about the air that is being passed by your candidate, the big 0(as in zero)

jimmyk

David Letterman actually had a funny line last night:

"Sarah Palin is the first former beauty queen to be on a national ticket since ... John Edwards."

kim

You wanna hear something funny listen to Pacifica's interview with Mike Gravel. Linked through Polipundit.
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kim

Don't you mean Palin was the only way to get Hillary's base to the polls?
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Pofarmer

He released his own ad in response to the GOP spot that says McCain and Palin are "politicians lying about their records."

I might be wrong, but I don't think that McCain is going to be partial to being called a liar.

Appalled

Leo:

There's plenty of time for folks to remember that the guy on top of the ticket is McCain, not Palin. Of course, I think the Obama camp would really prefer everyone to think that the guy on the top of the ticket is this guy named Bush...

Palin is working well for the McCain ticket right now -- and the way McCain's people are rationing her media contacts serves to make each appearence she makes more significant. (Which is a good thing, because she seems adept at doing the press/speaking thing.)

Obama is pretty much stuck with the current dynamics of the race until the debates. Those might change things, if Obama can bring his rhetorical A-game to them.

McCain is also stuck with the current race's dynamics, barring soemthing odd popping out from Obama's closet. The bounce may fade a bit...

Patrick R. Sullivan

Remember 'Bush was AWOL'?

kim

Pofarmer at 10:31 you have an extremely critical point. This is one reason Obama does so poorly extemporaneously. He has to hide so much, whereas Palin just says it like it is.

The American people, and electorate, may be fools for the MSM, but this is something we are all good at; detecting flim-flam. It's why the OODA loop thing works too; Obama has balky controls.

May Day, May Day.
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GMax

Does anyone remember Obama having a rhetorical A game in debates? They did a bunch of them, I did not watch the panderfest to MoveOn but I did see the highlights. I dont remember Obama showing up Hillary or anyone being wowed by Obama in any manner at all.

Wasnt there an issue where the audience took him to be arrogant and condescending to Hill and he took a pretty good pummeling?

What since then tells you that he is not still arrogant and condescending? It will play even less well with Indys.

Neo

The final narrative of the election will probably be based on this observation from Rasmussen ..

"Perhaps most troubling for the press corps, though, was this finding: “55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations.”

Now this is one stunning achievement. It took one week for the media to wipe away the history of Dick Nixon’s CREEP, Bill Clinton’s John Huang and James Riady, and Al Gore’s Hsi Lai Temple from 55% of the public’s mind.

jimmyk

An interesting irony from all of this scrutiny of Sarah Palin's record as governor is that... she actually has a record! She actually had to make yes or no decisions (no voting "present.") Somehow the Republicans need to point out that while it may not be perfect, the fact that there is a record to examine stands in contrast to BHO. Could someone remind me again what he's accomplished as senator? Other than that successful campaign for the Dem nomination, of course.

Enlightened

The attempt to smear Palin over her per diem expenditures is a bust. She roughly has spent 80% less than her predessesor. That is considered by most people to be "change". The Corner handily debunked that carp.

Unless of course you're huffing what Obaden is selling - like Cleo.

Porchlight

GMax, I don't think anyone considered any of Obama's debate performances to be particularly distinguished.

McCain's weren't great either. But general election debates are a whole different animal from the six-guys-on-a-stage deals in the primary.

Barney Frank

He released his own ad in response to the GOP spot that says McCain and Palin are "politicians lying about their records."

And we all know how great that angle worked out for Bob Dole.

DebinNC

CBS in 1-07 on Obama's IL senate record:

"He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on."

They certainly do.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Just sent the following to the WSJ reporters:

You wrote:

'Despite significant evidence to the contrary, the McCain campaign continues to assert that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told the federal government "thanks but no thanks" to the now-famous bridge to an island in her home state.'

Yet you provided no such evidence in your article. Certainly having her picture taken with a T-shirt that’s having some fun with—and attempting to make a buck off—the ‘nowhere’ thing isn’t evidence that she supported the bridge.

Nor does she ‘endorse’ the project here:

'"We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge," Gov. Palin said in August 2006, according to the local newspaper, "and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative."'

All she’s doing in the above is commiserating with the locals who’ve been made the butt of jokes.

I’ve searched the Alaska papers for 2006 references to her support for the bridge and found none. Merely support for the people of Ketchikan. If you’ve got something else, bring it on.

Patrick R. Sullivan
Kent, Washington

Their addresses are:

elizabeth.holmes@wsj.com
laura.meckler@wsj.com

WA-Mom

Drudge notes that the World wants Naughtbama for President. So send him to the UN.

I don't like other nations to choose my president. Makes me contrary-minded.

Charlie (Colorado)

What the heck does that mean?

Laotian readers?

(What it really probably means is a bunch of trackback spam.)

Get it fixed.

Thank you, Walter. if you hadn't done it, I would have.

Neo

This election cycle's choice .. either be a racist or a sexist
Oh, by the way He's also White .. either be half-racist or sexist

Enlightened

Boy, Josh Marshall and the TPM Muckrakers are sure trying their damndest to flout the BTN "Lie".

TMP Muckraker's gang is pouring over Wasilla Doc Drop with a fine tooth comb to try and find The End OF Palin Scandal.

Josh Marshall is just a pathetic whiner. Keep saying it Josh - eventually you will get something right. We all might be dead by then, but do keep trying.

M. Simon

Obama is pretty much stuck with the current dynamics of the race until the debates. Those might change things, if Obama can bring his rhetorical A-game to them.

Uh uh uh, that is, uh uh well, uh uh uh uh, Well I have always said, uh uh uh uh. And that is why you should vote for me. Because I don't look like them and uh uh uh...

M. Simon

Obama is pretty much stuck with the current dynamics of the race until the debates. Those might change things, if Obama can bring his rhetorical A-game to them.

Uh uh uh, that is, uh uh well, uh uh uh uh, Well I have always said, uh uh uh uh. And that is why you should vote for me. Because I don't look like them and uh uh uh...

DebinNC

TMP Muckraker's gang is pouring over Wasilla Doc Drop with a fine tooth comb to try and find The End OF Palin Scandal.

As many poltical enemies as Palin has, what could possibly be as yet undiscovered?

M. Simon

Appaled,

McCain will be doing 4 fundraisers from now until 4 Nov. Palin will be doing 35.

She will be making big money for the Rs and practicing her speechifying in front of friendly audiences.

∅bama Piggybank Broke.

Neo
It's no surprise, then, that Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin's hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.

Issues, now exactly which issues are they going to find out ?

Somebody tell me this doesn't smack of the "politics of personal destruction"

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I posted this the other day from the Counterterrorism blog:

Mainstream Media Diverting Terrorism Reporters Into Political Investigations

Neo

SURROGATE WATCH -- Gov. David Paterson D-NY

"I think that there are overtones of potential racial coding in the campaign," Paterson said during the Crain's Business Forum breakfast.
"...I think the Republican party is too smart to call Barack Obama 'black' in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life - which I noticed they did at the Republican convention -- a 'community organizer.'
They kept saying it, they kept laughing, like what does this mean? It means that an individual who could have gone to Wall Street and made a lot of money and then run for office because he could buy media time chose to go back and work in programs in a neighborhood where he thought he could make a difference and became an elected official based on his involvement right in his own community."

Pagar

"It's no surprise, then, that Democrats have airdropped a mini-army "

What I don't understand is why the Republicans haven't put some of their people on the Obama background. There apparently is one lawyer (a known Democrat) trying to make sure America knows the name of the Democrat who is running for President of the US.

There appears to be some interesting (at least) stuff in the CAC records, yet no Republican lawyer appears interested in rather there might be some serious fraud in those files.

The Democratic caucuses appear to have some serious questions and yet no Republican lawyers seem to care. LUN

Obama promises he is going to win the General Election, yet no one appears interested in asking how he can make that promise, 50 some days before the election. What does he know that the American public doesn't know.

Where is our mini-Army to defend America?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This is a gag, and I don't know which thread since none seem to be about McCain, so I'm dropping it here:

Randi Rhodes: McCain Was Well Treated at Hanoi Hilton

Enlightened

So far the Dems and their attack dogs in the MSM have illustrated clearly that Palin does not like - adulterers (Bitney/Richter), liars, abusers and possible psychotics (Wooten), liars and exaggerators (Emmons), or slackers (Monegan).

So? I thought that is precisely what we wanted out of Washington?

Obama OTOH is going to introduce Washington to a highly sinister group of individuals, and we are supposed to take them on sight unseen, as it were.

Yeah. Right.

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