With A Straight Face And A Pure Heart

NY Times Public Apologist Clark Hoyt explains the Times' role as an earnest servant of a curious public in these parlous times, with their coverage of Sarah Palin as a launch point:

In our instant-news and celebrity- obsessed culture, Palin went from Sarah Who to conservative rock star in less than a week. In less than two months, she could be elected vice president to serve under the oldest president, at 72, ever elected to a first term, and one with a history of recurring melanoma. Intense, independent scrutiny by The Times and the rest of the news media of Palin’s background, character and record was inevitable and right.

Intense and independent!  This from the Public Editor of the paper that has yet to use the phrase "Annenberg Challenge" in a story noting that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers worked together on education reform while with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, disbursing roughly $160 million in a venture ultimately judged by the Annenberg Foundation itself as having "limited impact".

Why isn't this news fit to print? The Times did report on the Ayers/Obama connection when George Stepanopolous brought it up during the Philadelphia debate last April.  And they intensely and independently probed the right wing group that aired an ad linking Obama and Ayers, almost reporting on the Obama/Ayers link in the process.  This is what they let slip:

Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.

He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.

Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers “’somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old.”

Fox News Channel and CNN declined to run the spot amid legal questions. But the commercial, a minute long, has run at least 100 times since Saturday, heavily in East Lansing and Pittsburgh.

Saying that Mr. Obama’s supporters had sent 93,000 e-mails to the Sinclair broadcasting company for carrying the advertisement, Tommy, a campaign spokesman, said, “Other stations that follow Sinclair’s lead should expect a similar response from people who don’t want the political discourse cheapened with these false, negative attacks.”

The fight may move to another front this week.

The University of Illinois at Chicago is in the process or releasing documents detailing Mr. Obama’s involvement with a non-profit education project started by Mr. Ayers.

That last sentence is the newspapers entire coverage of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge controversy.  As I recall, they also had one post at The Opinionator blog.  And their mention that Obama worked with a group Ayers founded hardly captures the fact that Ayers worked closely with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for several years while Barack was the chairman approving funding proposals.  Obama did not merely work at a group Ayers founded - he almost surely worked closely with Ayers, and is concealing that now.

Sarah Palin is running for Vice President.  Obama is running for President.  Maybe it is time for an independent look at his record.  Or maybe a candidate's history and experience with public school reform (and current cover-up of same) is simply not as newsworthy or relevant to the average voter as a story about a candidate's pregnant daughter.

IT WAS EVER THUS: We crack open the time vault for some oldy but goody laughers when the Times "covered" John Kerry.  Talk about an independent and intense scrutiny!

Comments

[Developing]

Speaking of NYT hard hitting reporting, now on Drudge:

"NYT PREPARES TO FRONT EXPOSE ON PALIN'S BABY... DEVELOPING..."

[kim]

The New York Times sent a reporter to interview someone who'd been in a traffic accident with one of the Palin teen-agers. That, my friends, is thuggery. And Hoyt is a fool and a knave.
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[Porchlight]

She was only "Sarah Who?" to liberals and the MSM (but I repeat myself). The rest of us already knew her as a conservative star on the horizon.

They have dug up as much dirt as possible about Palin in one week, but in over a year and a half have failed to account for most of Obama's Chicago "accomplishments." Thanks for the inevitablity and rightness.

[Sue]

Wonder what they have found out?

[clarice]

What, he's not actually suffering from Down's Syndrome? He lobbied his mom on some issue? He's an earmark? What possible expose could theywrite on the baby?

[RichatUF]

A see I'm a bit late about what Drudge has headlined. I'd going to resist the urge to peek over at DKoz or DU to figure which illiterate rant the NYT's thought was worthy of coverage.

[bgates]

Clarice - they're pointing out Trig's lack of experience. The Obama campaign is quoted as saying Obama has more foreign policy experience than all of Sarah Palin's children put together.

Except Track.

[bgates]

He's an earmark?
I just wanted to type that again, because I really enjoyed that line.

[Joe Plame]

Smuggling yellow cake in his diaper?

[DebinNC]

NYT PREPARES TO FRONT EXPOSE ON PALIN'S BABY... DEVELOPING

As we say here, that doesn't make a lick of sense. Maybe an intrepid NYT reporter got a shot of Trig being changed, suspect possible diaper rash, and are going to "expose Trig's front".

[Rick Ballard]

We shouldn't go forward on a new CAC thread without highlighting Bad's find:

The CAC board was asked in early 1996 to approve funds for a citywide coalition of local organizations who agreed to work on both candidate and voter turnout for the 1996 elections. In keeping with the CAC's charge to support local control of schools and involvement of parents and community residents in public school reform the board's Executive Committee approved a grant totaling $125,000 from its Leadership Development Initiative grant line item to support the work of 24 community based organizations, each of whom agreed to work on candidate and voter turnout in up to ten different schools.

Obama was a real multitasker, screwing up Chicago Schools and "community organizing" with kids' money at the same time.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Troubling? I think so.

Mainstream Media Diverting Terrorism Reporters Into Political Investigations

I see one after another of the mainstream media outlets which have made important contributions to the factual underpinnings of the counter-terrorism effort dropping off that beat. Editors in the print media are shifting terrorism experts on their staffs towards investigations of political candidates. At least three such reporters at three major papers are now chasing Sarah Palin stories (I haven’t had time to chase down everybody in “the business").

...

The broad CT community would suffer a serious loss if these bona fide experts leave the field for any length of time. In the meantime, nonprofit organizations and dedicated blogs have the opportunity and capability to inform the public.

[Sue]

Well, I've been dumpster diving and I can't find anything yet that hasn't already been floated. I'm still looking.

[Soylent Red]

What possible expose could they write on the baby?

Where was John Edwards 13-15 months ago?

[hrtshpdbox]

Maybe Drudge is just out to make The Times look (even more) bad.

[Developing]

Drudge Title Update:
"NYT PREPARES TO FRONT DETAILED STORY ON PALIN'S BABY, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... DEVELOPING..."

[RichatUF]

My above comment was illiterate, but hell, a few month old baby. Did she have her staffers change dirty dipers in the Governor's mansion? Was he a "test tube" baby? I can only imagine what sort of Trig trutherism the NYT is mainlining?

[Sue]

Drudge has changed the story somewhat. It no longer says expose, but detailed story.

[Paul Zrimsek]

What did Trig know, and in which trimester did he know it?

[RichatUF]

Rick-

Obama was a real multitasker, screwing up Chicago Schools and "community organizing" with kids' money at the same time.

I was thinking that the CAC as a tax-exempt foundation, couldn't engage in political activity at the state or national level. Isn't their a block on the tax filings which explicitly state that? Interesting...

It might be the reason why the first tax filings haven't shown up, the CAC might have been organized as a 504 for its first few years.

[clarice]

Newsbusters titles the report about his pretend sign up for the military as "He Woulda Joined if he Coulda Capped a Cong"

LOL

[hrtshpdbox]

"It no longer says expose, but detailed story."

Imagine if it turned out to be a positive story, with the NYT just trying to sell some papers for a change. One can only dream...

[Sue]

hrtshpdbox,

Could be. Andrew Sullivan is positively glowing about the love shown by the Palins with baby Trig.

[Paul K]

"The Republican National Convention has given John McCain and his party a significant boost, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken over the weekend shows, as running mate Sarah Palin helps close an "enthusiasm gap" that has dogged the GOP all year.

In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.

McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters"

LUN

[BobS]

Thanks for the link, Paul for. The 54-46 number for McCain is particularly astonishing.

They are really going to after Palin now (see tomorrows NYT hit piece) But the Dems are getting a tool they always tried to intimidate GOP back before blogs. Its called a backlash.

[mockmook]

Are you kidding me!!!

That USA Today headline, ridiculous.

If Bambi had gone up 10% among likely voters, the headline would be in 1000pt type "Obama Wins Election!!! November Results Now Certain."

[BobS]

Make that 54 to 44 among likely voters. Thats too heady for my taste.

[PaulL]

Damn! The last USA Today/Gallup poll had Obama +7 for Likely Voters. Now it's McCain +10. Holy Toledo.

I couldn't help but notice that USA Today buried the +10 Likely Voters, and instead acted like it was just a 4-point spread.

[Skyking_239]

Now the latest on Obama's father was actually Frank Marshall Davis the self confessed communist, poet, writer, and paper merchant. He authored the perverted tome entitled Sex Rebel:Black in which he described having sex with teens. Soon after moving to Hawaii 17 year old Ann Dunham, Barack Hussein Obama's mother got pregnant by the 54 year old Davis. Davis was married to the former Helen Canfield, a white Chicago socialite in 1946 before they moved to Hawaii in 1948. It was impossible for Ann to marry Davis so she asked Barack Hussein Obama Sr. one of her classmates in college to marry her for convenience. He agreed to the ceremony so he could achieve US citzenship. Ann had met Davis through her father Stanley Dunham. Shanley and his his wife raised Obama through his high school years. Why Dunham encouraged Obama to have a relationship with this 70 year old man has never be revealed until now. And they lived happily ever after. Hey if the left can make up fiery tales...why cant we.

[sbw]

if the left can make up fiery[sic] tales...why cant we.

Because we are not like them.

[Jack Pal]

Who cares whose Obama father is? His father could be Einstein, it wouldn't make him any less of a loser. Take your story to the NYT or Enquirer, they may be interested.

[Jim]

I'm glad Obama's message is turning around. Whereas before he had no time for the military and wanted to raise taxes on the rich because they deserve the punishment, regardless of the economic effects, now Obama is pro-military service and also thinks maybe one shouldn't raise taxes on the rich if it will have negative effect on the economy.

Pro-life by Tuesday?

[matt]

Can you hear it?

Obama

"flip".......

"flop"......

"flip".........

"flop"........

like a pair of "slippahs" walking down the sidewalk in Waikiki....

[MarkO]

I'm proud to confess that I defamed Frank Rich earlier today and I look forward to discovery on his reputation in the coming lawsuit. NOT.

[RichatUF]

Jim-

I was looking over at Ace's and he was headlining a walkback from Sullivan-the Obama Campaign orders to carpet bomb Palin seemed to have been recinded. I wonder if the media is now going to kill her with kindness-maybe Gibson will purr and coo during his interview with Gov. Palin.

On Obama's message, his "I coudn't take them even if I wanted to" comment, will probably require him to go out and get an AR15 and shoot some polar bears.

[clarice]

Very witty,Jim.

[RichatUF]

Also saw this headlined at Drudge:

MSNBC TAKES INCENDIARY HOSTS FROM ANCHOR SEAT... DEVELOPING...

I think I might tend to believe those Gallup poll results...

[M. Simon]

Talk Left has figured out the election is lost.

And that with them going by the polls calling out a tie.

&empty,bama is so screwed. No wonder Axelrod was so grim this morning. &empty,bama's problem is that he started so far left to please the base that he has to change too many positions to look credible. And what if his flipping pisses off the base? They remember him talking one way on FISA and voting another.

My guess? Low 40s will be the # on 5 Nov.

BTW read the above link. Demoralization is setting in and we have 60 days to make it worse.

It is very possible we will take one or both houses of Congress - that is how bad &empty,bama has screwed the brand.

[Pofarmer]

will probably require him to go out and get an AR15 and shoot some polar bears.

He better get the right license. I hear the Gov up in AK is big on that sort of thing.

[Rick Ballard]

Rich,

It's going to be a terrible thing if Obama is knocked out just because he's a mulim commie. Now that his campaign slogan has become "Me too!!!" you would think the race would still be tight as ever. America just has to get over its commiephobia (I think the muslim aspect, while moderately important, isn't really what's driving the voters growing antipathy).

[PaulL]

Poor poor Keith. Poor poor Chris.

[M. Simon]

I look forward to this water cooler conversation:

"Who ya voting for for President"

"I'd rather not say".

And the energy war hasn't even begun in earnest.

McCain has made it safe to vote for Rs in the down ticket race because he will be our firewall.

Smart. Very smart.

[clarice]

Steady now--get the sun at your back John, and drop down behind him from the clouds before firing...............

[larwyn]

Take a minute to see this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8IAoP8B4M

Sarah Smile By Lloyd Marcus
Posted at 17:40 by Big Dog in Political

My friend and fellow Gathering of Eagles member Lloyd Marcus is a wonderful singer who touches hearts with his songs about country and patriotism. His song Welcome Home Brother is one of my favorites and a tribute to those who were spat upon by the left when they returned from Vietnam. Lloyd has written and recorded Sarah Smile to the tune of a song by the same name that was made famous by Hall and Oates. My friend Cao put some pictures to it and it is now up at You Tube. I have it here for your entertainment pleasure.

ME: No wonder Willie Brown is so concerned:

LINK TO SFG:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/BALU12OCMV.DTL

Merv's post:
Palin, the butterfly and the bee
Willie Brown:

The Democrats are in trouble. Sarah Palin has totally changed the dynamics of this campaign.

Period.

Palin's speech to the GOP National Convention on Wednesday has set it up so that the Republicans are now on offense and Democrats are on defense. And we don't do well on defense.

[.....}READ THE ARTICLE - HERE'S MERV'S COMMENT:

...

If she can answer questions like she handled herself at the convention, Palin will turn out to be the most interesting person in all of politics, and the press will treat her like they treated Obama when he was first discovered.

...

Willie Brown is a savvy liberal Democrat who has been mayor of San Francisco and speaker of the California House. the guy has a keen eye for talent and knows it when he sees it. His observation about putting the Democrats on defense is right on. If the media and the republicans had been doing their job that is where they should have been from the start on this campaign, but Palin has made it obvious now.
Posted by Merv at 10:40 AM

[centralcal]

A straight face and a pure heart:

OH HAPPY DAY!

OH HAPPYY DAY!

Olberman and Matthews dropped?????

Please, God!

LUN

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Um on the AR15 thing?

Don't use an AR15: that'll just piss them off.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Olberman and Matthews out? McCain ahead by 10 percent among likely voters?

Okay, this is starting to freak me right the fuck out.

[BobS]

speaking of REP congress, lets get them y plan to go all Contract With America with the Energy plan they embarrasses the Dem with when they went on vacation and took back the argument.

LUN

[BobS]

ChaCo: And the Cubs win the World Series!

[clarice]

And Megyn fixes you up with a hot friend, Chaco..Pinch yourself (not)..this is all a dreammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Okay, now I'm beginning to believe the business about the LHC destroying the universe on Wednesday.

[BobS]

Don't get me started on any of the Fox hotties.....

[bad]

Olberman and Matthews dropped?????

Troubling news indeed. Where is one to tune in for instant laugh therapy now?

[Mike]

From Drudge:

MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair... David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night.... Developing...

The free market works....hopefully.

[BobS]

I gotta becareful as to not get Jane jumpin my ass again.

[Soylent Red]

Don't use an AR15: that'll just piss them off.

Sshhhh.

Senator Obama, an AR-15 is more than enough rifle to kill a grizzly.

Why, you could probably do it from about 25 feet, safely...

[Jane]

Demoralization is setting in and we have 60 days to make it worse.

Which should be a huge reminder to us not to get cocky - yet.

The election is still 2 months away and a whole lot of media guys have a whole lot invested in Obama at this point. They are not going gently.

[Soylent Red]

Chaco!

YOU ARE GOING TO MEET MEGYN KELLY?

Tell her your buddy Soylent is deeply, deeply in love with her.

[Jane]

Bob,

Fox hotties are not an issue for me in any sense of the word.

[centralcal]

Please, please tell me this is my favorite month, my birtday month (not good) and not April Fool's Day - truly, truly, did someone somewhere finally realize that being rock bottom LAST in every rating might be because of those too BOZO's at MSNBC? Well, don't stop there, powers that be - what about the ugly mouth of David Schuster? What about the pock marked face of Andrea Mitchell? Hello? Anybody home?

OH HAPPY DAY!

[Mustang0302]

Olby & Tweety out? Bathtub Boy was just on during the half at Bears v. Colts...I wonder if anybody told him yet?

Odds on one/both quitting in rage?

[centralcal]

Mustang0302: "Odds on one/both quitting in rage?"

We can only hope and pray!

[BobS]

I'm for reaching large, Jane, and getting some House and Seante Seats. I'd love to see William Russell beat Jack Murtha.

LUN

[Mustang0302]

"We can only hope and pray!"

Or, we can HOPE for CHANGE at PMSNBC.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Don't get me started on any of the Fox hotties.....

Anna Gilligan. And whatever happened to Linda Vester?

YOU ARE GOING TO MEET MEGYN KELLY?

No, sorry. If this comes off (I'm still waiting for directions) I'll be in a studio in Denver and she'll be safely at 48th Street and Sixth Avenue.

[Danube of Thought]

Jake Tapper re polls:

"Not the daily tracking poll, the actual Gallup poll, has Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., pulling ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

"The numbers among registered voters are 50 percent to 46 percent -- and 54 percent to 44 percent among likely voters.

"Obama's campaign always said before the American people made their final decision about him, the Democrat would be judged on three things -- the VP pick, the convention, and the debates. Now two of the three have gone down, and the American people have liked McCain's stuff better."

Woot! Woot! And what the hell--how about an uprecedented third Woot!

Ten points! The unmistakable, fetid odor of wholesale, unconstrained panic...

[Rick Ballard]

The interesting contrast between today's 6 point RV, 10 point LV spreads is that when USA Today reported Obama's 7 point RV spread after the Dem convention, they did not mention the LV split at all. The sample size on the Dem convention bounce polling was twice as large. Conceptually, that's very curious. Was significant data adjustment required in order to get to the Obama bounce?

The two articles provide some humorous insight into "unbiased" coverage wrt emphasis and selection of adjectives. The media has certainly worked hard to gain its current reputation.

It's a real shame that Obama is losing allies such as Olberman and Matthews at such a critical juncture. Perhaps Howard Dean should consider interviewing with MSNBC? He's going to be in need of a paying job pretty soon..

[Charlie (Colorado)]

It's a real shame that Obama is losing allies such as Olberman and Matthews at such a critical juncture.

Yeah.

Real shame.

[clarice]

Well, Rick, we all know you can say any shit you want about your poll as long as you stir in the special sauce just before the actual vote. I believe O has been on a straight trajectory downhill since the caucuses and the general public likes him even less than the Dem voters did.

[Jane]

It's a real shame that Obama is losing allies such as Olberman and Matthews at such a critical juncture.

They aren't being fired are they? They will still spew hatred in prime time I assume.

[Sue]

There have been so many threads I can't remember who said what and where it was said. So http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08campaign.html?hp>here is a link to Biden saying life begins at conception. Someone, somewhere, said Obama would be flipping on abortion by next week. Biden is taking the first step for him.

[centralcal]

Oh DOT: I was so mad at you back during the primaries when you were tooting the McCain horn and I was a FredHead and a Romney-ite!. Who knew that Johnny Mac as Rush might calle him, would pull this out with Sarah, Sarah!

Who knew that the liberal media woudl all drink the kool-aid at the same moment and commit hara kiri? Who knew that the American public would stand up and shout out loud- we have had enough?

OH HAPPY DAY!

[Jane]

Sue,

He said that this morning on Meet the Press, and then said he couldn't possibly mix up church and state, or some such drivel.

[RichatUF]

Rick-

I'm sure the commiephobia thing will the next redoubt once the CAC story starts to pick up steam. He'll send out his shrieking harpies to yell "McCarthyism"..."Creppy Liars"...should make for some interesting TV.

Also, what's your take on the Treasury takeover of Fannie and Freedie (I'm sure Gibson could get Palin on a question or two about that) and have you heard anything about the US automakers shaking the tin cup-something about a provision in the DoE funding bill that included loan guarantees?

[Porchlight]

Rick, check out this note from the RCP blog about the last USA Today/Gallup poll. Apparently it wasn't a new poll at all but instead, two days of Gallup tracking polling put together.

A Note About the Latest USA Today/Gallup and Zogby Polls

RealClearPolitics has confirmed from Susan Page at USA Today and Frank Newport at Gallup that the poll released yesterday (Monday, September 1) showing Barack Obama with a 50-43 lead over John McCain is not the stand alone USA Today/Gallup poll, but rather two days worth of data (Saturday, August 30 & Sunday, August 31 ) from Gallup's Daily Tracking poll.

This USA Today/Gallup poll was not included in the RCP National Average because the Gallup Daily Tracking poll is already in the RCP Average and using it would be a duplication of survey respondents.

And, finally...McCain takes the lead in the RCP average! Look at the trendlines on the graph....

McCain +1

[Sue]

At the Democratic convention in Denver, the party’s platform was indeed expanded to embrace anti-abortion views.

The NYTs saw something I didn't. Unless they are talking about Senator Casey's speech, which really said nothing.

[clarice]

Flipped on abortion, taxes , the surge. Next thing O and B will be wearing red open toed high heels and frameless glasses.

[centralcal]

Clarice: you go girl!

[RichatUF]

Charlie-

Um on the AR15 thing?

You know, I didn't even think of that. And good luck on your big debut on Fox.

[Sue]

Clarice,

LOL. Now that was funny, I don't care who you are...

[Jane]

Don't forget the hoop earrings Clarice!

[M. Simon]

∅bama's latest campaign gambit:

"I'm just like McCain, but black. Vote for me."

[Danube of Thought]

Is this old news?

"After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

"The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

“'The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,' said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin."

Does anyone think that events of the past ten days have persuaded these gutless suits that their Bobbsey Twins had given them a one-way ticket to ratings Palookaville?

[clarice]

Thanks--If Chaco steals that tomorrow well I don't know what I'll do...........

[M. Simon]

You know I didn't expect the total melt down for another month.

I believe if we work hard in the next 60 days we can get ∅bama into the 30s.

[clarice]

They have a straight news dept, DoT? WOW!! Where is it?

[BobS]

I have the perfect idea, Clarice. Lets get Mike Myers to dust off the old SNL skip where he played a German bisexual freak who interviewed other, well, freaks. How perfect would be the for new cross-dressers with their fetish for assessories. To bad they can't get Madline Khan to play Lili Von Shtupp to etice Obama.

[Sue]

I think Andrea Mitchell had them "replaced" for leaving the camera on her while she fought with all those balloons.

[MarkO]

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

“I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.

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I've heard Keith likes to dress up like a sheepherder and that may be the hat he means. But what about those times he likes to be Queen Victoria?

[centralcal]

I so love Clarice, because she just cuts to the chase every tine!

"They have a straight news dept, DoT? WOW!! Where is it?"

[Rick Ballard]

"Also, what's your take on the Treasury takeover of Fannie and Freedie"

My take is that Gorelick was able to do for those two roughly the same thing as what she did for national security. She was a Clinton gift that just never stopped giving. I don't know anything about the automaker tin cup deal. I do know that they need to go bankrupt in order to continue in business. They might get a bailout prior to the electionbut if they don't have it in writing by election day they won't get it at all.

Porchlight,

I saw that and I understand RCP not doubling up for their averaging. Perhaps that accounts for the smaller sample size. I wonder if they changed the question wording? At any rate, Gallup could have posted the LVs for Obama in the previous poll. It's not as if they aren't gathering the info.

[clarice]

Thanks,cc.
Bob..I could if pressed play Lili Von Shtupp .

[glenda waggoner]

I haven't read the d report @ Olby and Matthews, oh please be true, please be true..but do you think, maybe, please, they
tracked those fake badges code pink got to disrupt McCain's speech were supplied by none other than msnbc? I mean proven. By a third party. I mean, we know. Or could another open mic be loosed that shows the nbc'ers kibbutzing dem talking points and demeaning Gov. Palin? please , let it be!

[RichatUF]

This goes in the you've got to be kidding me file. Joe Biden, the pro-life Catholic

graf-

While Mr. Biden’s views may not be new to Democrats in his circle, his comments, in an interview on “Meet the Press” on NBC, came at a time when his party is confronted with a new face...Mr. Biden tried to walk the line between the staunch abortion-rights advocates in his party and his own religious beliefs. While he said he did not often talk about his faith, he said of those who disagree with him: “They believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life — I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception.”

As GMax was pointing out in the other thread, it's what the candidates do and say that gives a window into their internal polling.

[M. Simon]

The Immoderate voice is down but not out. ∅bama still has a chance.

I want him to be terminally grim. Another 10 days.

[BobS]

Oh, goodie! Would you? German accants and all with the marlene deitrich routine? We'd be sooooooooo pumped!

[centralcal]

glenda: you may very well be onto something. And, we may never know for certain...but, it is not beyond belief!

[Elliott]

I just thought I'd note here that on">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/09/the-smell-of-fe.html#comment-129587534">on another thread I linked to Gallup's Frank Newport discussing of Gallup's Labor Day polling and the eventual outcome of the election.

15 of the 18 candidates ahead in Gallup's first post Labor Day poll have gone on to win the election. Anyone you know on first name terms with the Democratic Presidential nominee should probably be so apprised, for, if left uniformed of this vital fact before November 4, the consequences will be too terrible to contemplate.

[centralcal]

YES!, Elliott!!!

[M. Simon]

Think of how bad the real numbers must be for them to be showing a 10 point spread.