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September 11, 2008

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bubarooni

'You haven't heard about 81.5st Caulking Division? C'mon - they're almost as famous as the 98.6th Weatherstrippers.'

i shudder to think how much 'community organizing' it's gonna take to get them into battle against them darn Canadian Cold Fronts.

RichatUF

clarice-

I've read that China has contingency plans to take over if they must and that rings true to me...

I've read that too. They don't want an Albania situation, but China isn't going to hold on to them for very long either.

Sue

She looked nervous the way one does if one is applying for a position for which he has no qualifications.

Really? I didn't see that but then I'm sure you've had more experience with applying for positions you aren't qualified for than I am.

sbw

Re: O! -- Gotta love Emerson: "The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

bobsunshine

The complete interview is up on YouTube without the cuts. She did great for her first interview with the MSM "Charlie".

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cba-VU13Bsg

Pofarmer

"'a green energy corp'"

Ya know, of all the dump things to push, that's gotta be the absolute dumbest. Our local energy coop just ran an article on alternative energy technologies. It was a nice piece on residential wind energy and PV Solar. They had what those units had generated in $ since they had been installed. They were only about a year old so they are both state of the art. Looks like both of them have about a 100 year payoff if they don't need any service work done, and if you don't count interest.

Neo

David Axelrod said ..
“Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school.”

Ayers children are about 31 and 28. Obama's kids are about 10 and 7. It seems that Obama's kids go to the University of Chicago Lab Schools, where Ayers kids had gone.

RichatUF

bubarooni-

i shudder to think how much 'community organizing' it's gonna take to get them into battle against them darn Canadian Cold Fronts.

Shaman Obama, with his power to heal the planet, will lead the brigade with al-Gore at his left hand.

clarice

What do you say would be the ratio of administrators to caulkers and weatherstrippers in an outfit like that? !0 to 1? Rather like our urban school systems?
Maybe we'll have "bin watchers" too like all those UK councils who've even hired 8 year olds to turn in their neighbors for improperly sorting their garbage or putting it out on the wrong day or too late..Yes, indeed, in no time at all we can be like France where everyone is a govt subsidized lifetime philospohy student or on the govt payroll.

Bush Doctrine

This unfortunate interview--and this was just Part One--will start to take the air out of the Palin bubble. Not among the Koolaid-drinking Rushbot and fundies, but among some of the Independents that have shifted to McCain/Failin' in the recent couple of weeks.

President Obama. MMMMM. I like the sound of that.

You guys should've selected Romney for President and Jindal for VP. Then I probably would've felt you had the stronger ticket. Oh well.

Jane

Boy Ayers kids must be really stupid if the go to elementary school at ages 31 and 28. I bet that is what attracted Obama to them.

clarice

Rich--Isn't there already a shortage of women in China? Maybe they can marry their bachelors off to North Koreans. And then there's the problem with all those Chinese oldsters who've no pension program to help them--Maybe they can have rest homes in North Korea to care for them--Be creative.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I volunteer to clean the erasers, and if you ask real nice, I might do bowling balls and golf balls too. A little cajoling goes a long way.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

And if you beg, I love begging, I'll volunteer to clean BD's clock as a bonus.

clarice

Only TNR subscribers can comment on their site, and if you go see what their subscribers are saying about Palin, it's obvious that she is extraordinarily popular.

What I love is that O played the race card to deflect every criticism of him, and now--especially Dem women--are playing the sex card back at him..LOL

Captain Hate

Palin's challenge to Charlie, and his rejoinder were missing. In its place was actual footage of her presentation in the church.

ABC was embarrassed, and backed down.

Whooooaa. Bow to your master, verminous media. I said BOW!!!

Sue

Clarice,

That is hilarious over there. She tells her readers that the crowds were so large she had to park her minivan and hoof it. On top of making fun of the people there. ::grin::

bubarooni

BD:

Good trolls should be intelligent and/or entertaining.

beat it.

Bush Doctrine

Here's a post from a dailykos college professor. It's in a recommended thread that isolates Palin's Bush Doctrine flub:


As a college professor (10+ / 0-)

I recognize the tell tale signs of student trying to bullshit their way through an answer. The repetition of points irrelevant to the question the increase in emotional intensity, the general language and the obvious avoidance of specifics. Wow this is uncomfortable to watch.


OWNED!!!!!

Ann

What is the west coast reaction to the Palin interview with Charlie? Has it played yet?

sbw

as a college professor

Cuts no ice with me. If you were worth your salt you would have abandoned Obama some time ago.

WHo was it who said academics fight so hard because there is so little at stake?

centralcal

Ann, I am west coast, but I missed all but the last 50 seconds of it, due to the boring forum.

centralcal

Honestly, the liberal forum was a snoozer.

The Palin interview will make news primarily because Charlie misquoted Sarah.

We will have to see what follows. So far, tonight, it is all a great big yawn.

DrJ

WHo was it who said academics fight so hard because there is so little at stake?

“ACADEMIC politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small.” This observation is routinely attributed to former Harvard professor Henry Kissinger. Well before Kissinger got credit for that thought in the mid-1970s, however, Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt told a reporter, “Academic politics is much more vicious than real politics. We think it’s because the stakes are so small.” Others believe this quip originated with political scientist Wallace Sayre, Neustadt’s onetime colleague at Columbia University. A 1973 book gave as “Sayre’s Law,” “In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the stakes at issue—that is why academic politics are so bitter.” Sayre’s colleague and coauthor Herbert Kaufman said his usual wording was “The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low.” In his 1979 book Peter’s People, Laurence Peter wrote, “Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.” He called this “Peter’s Theory of Entrepreneurial Aggressiveness in Higher Education.” Variations on that thought have also been attributed to scientist-author C. P. Snow, professor-politician Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and politician Jesse Unruh (among others). According to the onetime editor of Woodrow Wilson’s papers, however, long before any of them strode the academic-political scene, Wilson observed often that the intensity of academic squabbles he witnessed while president of Princeton University was a function of the “triviality” of the issues being considered."

Your call...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I just posted the interview on Pal2Pal and I'm going to watch it over, but first impression, she did just fine. I liked the touch of snark every time she repeated "Charlie."

Sue

You know, if the Bush doctrine was pre-emption (or more accurately, preventive war), it hasn't served us very well.

In light of the Obama camp's definition of the Bush Doctrine, don't you think Palin answered well?

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/09/05/how-barack-obama-sees-the-worlds-challenges.html>Source

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via Newsbusters:

Charlie Gibson's Attempt to Twist Sarah Palin's Words

Hubris was indeed revealed in the ABC interview with Sarah Palin, and it wasn't coming from Sarah Palin, but Charlie Gibson. But there was more than Charlie's sneering condescending tone, looking down over the rim of his glasses like some snobby intellectual that bothered me. Twisting her words into a fabrication feeding the fear of theocracy was utterly insulting. It was especially insulting to claim that these were her "exact words" after being challenged on it. Watch this video excerpt from the interview to see the exchange.
Captain Hate

a dailykos college professor

That's the one with the rainbow colored tinfoil hat, no? Or is that the dailkos football player? Or the dailykos double-naught spy?

Barbara

Charlie claims he "got lost in a blizzard of words" in Palin's answer to his wandering question on Pakistan.

Translation: "Let me interrupt your cogent answer to my ridiculous question before you make an even greater fool of me."

bad

Sue

There you go bein' all logical and usin' direct quotes and web postings to point out stupidity. Isn't that racist?

Jane

Sue,

Are you out of hurricane peril?

Rick Ballard

I've watched the clips and I'd give her a B- on the interview. I would suggest that the campaign handlers back off and reload on the fopo stuff. The Bush Doctrine response was off because she had not heard "Bush Doctrine" in about four years and nobody but the Left still jabbers witlessly about it. The campaign prep staff better be able to articulate witless questions in Leftese if they really want to do their job correctly.

She should not have accepted that particular interview setup, the chair did not fit her ergonomically and she had to waste energy struggling with it for the whole interview.

There wasn't anything particularly bad about the interview but there's room for improvement. If you contrast her with McCain, Obama or Biden, she does quite well. Watch the O'Reilly/Obama clips if you don't believe me.

Barney Frank

Of all the trolls that we've had here BD is perhaps the most amateurish. Could we please try starving rather than feeding the little gawdhelpus?

Ann

OT
I have been trying to text message with my husband in Korea the whole evening while watching the boring forum. I use to multi-task better but is anyone here good at text messaging. Please tell me I am not the only one that sucks. :)

Is it a generational thing or should I give up my outdated Razor for something easier. And if I do what should I get?

bubarooni

ok barney, i'm in.

Pofarmer

I hope the McCain campaign has made their displeasure clear. I don't know how you hold these vermin accountable, but we must.

Personally, I have a dream that in a McCain administration, any reporter that asks an inane question in the Daily breifings(David Gregory, and that hideous Lebanese woman come to mind immediately) that they get a one day timeout. No seat for them or there employer. Second time, two days. Third time, out. I don't know who would be left after the first month, maybe it would just be the press guy talking straight to the American people, but, one thing is for sure, the current system ain't working. There are no sticks, and precious few carrots.

Sue

Hmmmm....apparently The One has decided that new politics needs a dose of old politics. Developing at Drudge...

Obama plans sharper attack.
centralcal

Excellent analysis, Barney Frank.

For me, yawn, tonight was not even very noteworthy. Liberal media was liberal media - Charlie, Stengel, Woodruff.

Kinda like chips and dip and no dinner. So. I am off to watch something a little more stimulating on HGTV.

See ya all manana.

Sue

Sue,

Are you out of hurricane peril?

Yes. I live in NE Texas, well away from the coast. But my sister and niece are in the Houston area. Neither are evacuating. My niece will be at the hospital in lockdown from Friday night till Sunday night. My sister is just plain stubborn. She lives in the western part of Houston, away from the coast, but still...

Charlie (Colorado)

,i>Please tell me I am not the only one that sucks. :)

You're not.

My niece is now sorry she taught me to do it at all.

30yrdem-not any more

I was so glad to see your headline at memeorandum.....Thanks for the great write up!

Danube of Thought

BushD, instead of consorting with the loons at Kos, and in particular the "college professors" there, you really ought to check in with those Democratic congressmen who are quaking in their boots about Obama's loss dragging them down as well.

Seven of the last ten, and this will make eight of eleven. And every time you dopes lost, you actually thought you were going to win. It's too easy when your opponents are fools.

If Obama had picked Hillary, he could be ordering the White House draperies as we speak. Instead, he's got a one-way ticket to Palookaville. God, but you people are dumb.

Sue

My niece is an RN and is part of the 1st responder team, or something like that. She isn't looney, regardless of how my original post sounded. ::grin::

DebinNC

I take it Palin will sit for Part 2 tomorrow. Will Gibson apologize and correct his "God's will" snafu on air with her? I don't see how he can just pretend it didn't happen.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Pray for Texas Rainmaker. Per a map on his site, he is in the direct path of the storm and not far from the coast.

Jane

Watch out for those draperies DOT. When Deval Patrick was elected on the same old identity politics mantra his first official act was spending "more than $10,000 on damask drapes for his State House office as part of a $27,387 makeover that also included a new desk, settee, and other furnishings paid for with taxpayer money".

He was so harassed he had to pay it all back.

Because like obama, it was all about him.

Ann

"The Bush Doctrine response was off because she had not heard "Bush Doctrine" in about four years and nobody but the Left still jabbers witlessly about it."

Rick,

It seems to me that the Bush Doctrine has changed since 9/11 and I think she smelled a gotcha question. Which is why I think she was smart to clarify the question. No?

Frank P

Palin's weakest point is that she has a journalism degree, which puts her in the company of the most highly visible group of idiots in the country.

You know, I just don't get this meme, and I think it's a particularly stupid notion to be floating next to Palin's name.

Via my wife's circle, I know several journalists, people with the local paper here. They're some of the sharpest (and funniest) people we know. One is a bit liberal for my tastes, but mostly they're just well-read, erudite people with this sharp, sardonic take on the world.

I guess I just don't get the animosity toward journalists. Maybe TV journalists, I suppose, since many seem to just be teleprompter readers. But the newspaper people we know strike me pretty much like the folks on this blog -- smart, informed, witty, and addicted to the news. They're merely the people who decided to devote their careers to it.

Sue

Our own Glenda Waggoner lives in Galveston. She didn't evacuate for Gustav, but I think Galveston had a mandatory evac go into effect this morning. Hopefully, she'll post soon from the Hill Country.

Syl

Obama's emphasis on community service is pure cynicism wrapped in a patriotic good-hearted piece of plastic.

He wants to purchase the youth vote, by paying them to organize groups to petition the government for handouts and greenie causes. The believers in top-down government want to use the bottom-up grassroots approach to create millions of new lobbyists!

DrJ

I guess I just don't get the animosity toward journalists.

I agree: my wife studied journalism too. She was successful though in a different field.

Maybe we can coin a new phrase: journalism is wonderful -- I just can't stand organized journalism.

kim

My problem with journalists is that they seem to wallow in bias rather than flee it.
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clarice

Our beloved commenter sbw is a newspaper publisher..there are good apples in every barrel of rotten ones.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Galveston seawall = 17 ft.

Storm surge expected = 20 ft. plus.

Do the math. I hope everyone got out.

Syl

"Shaman Obama"

Spellchecker needed! the correct spelling is

"Shame on Obama"!

Sue

The next time Palin's foreign policy experience is questioned, she needs to just be honest. "I certainly don't have the foreign policy experience my running mate, John McCain does, but since he didn't need to pick a running mate to shore up his foreign policy experience, he picked me, to help him with those things I do have experience in, like energy, reform, etc." And the icing on the cake would be and "if he should, God forbid, die the first day in office, I'll just do what Obama did. Pick a VP to shore up my foreign policy". Someone here at JOM came up with that last bit but I can't remember who. I thought they made a great point.

Dan S

I'm not sure the Bush Doctrine has changed so much as... well, let me rephrase:

Not only has the Bush Doctrine changed since 9/11 (You're either with us or against us... if you support terrorists we'll treat you as terrorists.), but the silly/shrill left insists on making up new definitions every couple of months. It's hard to keep track. (Wasn't one "Eat more yellowcake!")

It did come across as a gotcha. I think she should have piped up with "Read my lips: No new taxes!" Then paused and added, or did you mean the later Bush? Of course, if I had said it I would have said: Read my lipstick!"


Xanthippas

I am not an authority on our NATO treaty obligations...

And that's where you should have stopped. That passage you cut and paste is most certainly referring to the right of NATO members to act in the defense of another NATO member. No, it does not state a legal "obligation" to go to war (you will not find many modern treaties and agreements that do) but the right to use military self-defense is most assuredly the purpose of that article; the lesser included measures are merely to indicate that a NATO member is permitted to take any action to defend another member as it would to defend itself. In about 100% of cases, this means military force. Were Georgia a member of NATO we would most certainly be under a political obligation to defend them from attack; to do otherwise would render the passage you cite-and NATO itself-completely irrelevant.


Moptop

Is it just me, or has anybody else noticed that the Lefties just seem to be off their game. It is almost as if the are starting to lose confidence. I am surprised by this because I thought they were impervious to reason, and yet, they seem to have figured out that their tactics are not working, but they don't know what else to do.

Xanthippas

Also, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God" is not the same as "I pray that we are on God's side." Also, neither is it the same thing as "We serve God's plan, not vice versa", which seems to presume that we know God's plan which is what Palin was doing, and Lincoln was not.

Pofarmer

Obama plans sharper attack.

Oh, please, please.

This should be fun.

Barry needs to get off the attacks and get back on the hopey changey message, that was working for him. My .02

Porchlight

From Financial Times today (just for you BD):

Democrats on Capitol Hill fear Obama fallout

Democratic jitters about the US presidential race have spread to Capitol Hill, where some members of Congress are worried that Barack Obama’s faltering campaign could hurt their chances of re-election.

[snip]

“There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to. People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”

Concern was greatest among first-term representatives who won seats in traditionally Republican districts in the landslide of 2006. “Several of them face a real fight to hold on to those seats,” the fundraiser said.

Does anyone doubt that the Blue Dog Dems are nervous? They snuck in the back door in 2006 but their weak ticket and their loony party are making it tough to stay.

ex-democrat

sorry, Frank, but no, some of us are not too impressed with these journalists.
that is because in general they are not nearly as smart as they think (a failing often found in my own profession, i might add) and seem to be totally incapable of (or unwilling to) recognizing the difference between reporting something someone has said - eg. 'The Obama camp has run attack ads claiming that McCain falsely accused Mr. Obama of endorsing sex education for kindergarten students,..." and reporting such claims as facts - as was done here: "After back-to-back attack ads by Mr. McCain, including one that misleadingly accused Mr. Obama of endorsing sex education for kindergarten students,..." (see here http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12obama.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)
That this constantly-repeated failing invariably supports a tediously juvenile 'progressive' political viewpoint doesn't help either.

Indeed, so clueless are these "reporters" that they do not seem to realize their role as shills even when it stares them in the face. Consider this line towards the end of the very same piece, for example:
"[Obamas] aides said they were looking to the news media to debunk the image of [Palin] as a blue-collar reformer, even as they argued that her power to help Mr. McCain was overstated."

Useful idiots, except for a precious few exceptions.

Jim

Rick's right, B-. She needs to resist the urge to plead with her interlocutor to be convinced by what she is saying. Charlie was doing stone-faced Thatcher. Palin needed to be the one with that face on and sitting motionless in the chair throughout (as Rick also said.)

ex-democrat

xanx
"No, it does not state a legal "obligation" to go to war .."

and that's where you should have stopped.

clarice

IIRC the first public explication Obama made on his foreign policy views were in a debate where he said he'd invade Pakistan.

This carp about Palin and Nato is ridiculously microscopic pickings in comparison.

Syl

"She needs to resist the urge to plead with her interlocutor to be convinced by what she is saying. "

Oh, don't you think she should have leaned into Charlie and tapped his leg like Obama did to O'Reilly.

'No, no, no, no, um, um, umum, tap, tap, poke'

LOL

hit and run

Sue:
Hopefully, she'll post soon from the Hill Country.

Amen. mrs hit and run has a lot of family in the Galveston area -- who are already "posting" if you will from the Hill Country.

Glenda...our prayers are with you!

Danube of Thought

"Also, 'Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God' is not the same as 'I pray that we are on God's side.'"

No shit, you illiterate moron. How about, "PRAY THAT our national leaders are sending, etc.," which has the advantage of being what the woman acutally said? Seems pretty close to "I pray that we are on God's side" to me. How about you? Are you quite able to read the English language? Are you making a deliberate attempt to be dishonest, or have you simply screwed up hopelessly?

hit and run

Shoooooooooooooot. Not Galveston ... Corpus Christi (mrs hit and run's family, that is)

I was thinking of Glenda.

And I simply will not stop thinking of Glenda until we hear she's safe and sound.

Danube of Thought

Here's one for these poor deluded saps to ponder as they head for slumberland:

"Tomorrow Strategic Vision will be releasing Ohio and Georgia polls, and what they found in the Buckeye State really surprises me. In Ohio, they find McCain-Palin ahead of Obama-Biden up, 48 percent to 44 percent. But what makes those numbers really eye-opening is the breakdown of the sample: 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 444 (37%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 170 (15%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation."

Sue

If y'all didn't see the Nightline version, I recommend you watch it. You will have a much different impression of her, without chopped up answers.

Pofarmer

or have you simply screwed up hopelessly?

That would be the parents.

Pofarmer

I'm talking about somebody who's a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

And what kind of a stupid question is that?

markg8

"and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Later that day, Ms. Palin sent an e-mail message to her relatives and close friends about her new son, Ms. Bruce said. She signed it, “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.”

“Many people will express sympathy, but you don’t want or need that, because Trig will be a joy,” Ms. Palin wrote. She added, “Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed-up world you live in down there on Earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome.”

This of course is just a tiny little piece of her BS but you'd think that seeing as she's only been on the nat'l. scene for a few weeks her handlers could have read everything written about her and at least prepped her a little better.

You might wanna consult somebody who knows what NATO Treaty obligations really mean Tom. We didn't keep a huge standing army in Europe for 46 years for nothing.

Barbara

"I guess I just don't get the animosity toward journalists."

My niece has her degree in journalism and is a reporter with an ABC affiliate. She is extremely intelligent, savvy and gorgeous to boot. She could gut and field dress Charlie and his cohorts and have time left over for a latte.

Cecil Turner

You might wanna consult somebody who knows what NATO Treaty obligations really mean Tom.

Like you, maybe? What if we're "obligated" but decide not to? Will our armed forces explode? Will the UN police arrest us?

"Perhaps so" is actually a very good answer.

attobuoy

Lincoln didn't talk about praying. His quote is “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”

Palin's idea of praying to God that some pre-launched course of destruction is on God's side is utter nonsense.

What she should be praying to God about is to find the proper course of action, not to jusitfy a prior choice.

lowercaseliberatarian

"""heartbeat away? better cliches, please"""

Lack of a heartbeat away
Heart attack away
Permanent attack of senility away
Death by natural causes due to old age away

Cecil Turner

What she should be praying to God about is to find the proper course of action, not to jusitfy a prior choice.

First we go to war, then we try to decide if it's the right course of action? You can probably imagine what effect that kind of political posturing has on guys stuck in harm's way, can't you? (Hint: it ain't good.) Personally, my sympathies are entirely with them, not with the hand-wringers.

Pofarmer

I'm thinkin the ones here criticizing this prayer deal have never had to extemporaneously lead a public prayer. Ya outta try it some time, or a best man's toast, kinda gives ya perspective. The nonesense is that the media and whatever these attack poodles are want to attack anyone displaying any level of faith whatsoever over anything they say or do. Pitifull.

lowercaseliberatarian

I'm talking about somebody who's a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

And what kind of a stupid question is that?
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"If you go back in history, you'd find other vice presidents who would have the same answer as I do."

What kind of stupid *answer* is that? How far back in history would you have to go? Certainly to before the age of international air flight, or even steamships, probably. Maybe farther, considering who our next door neighbors are. She is not running as Millard Fillmore's VP. This is the 21st century. Sheesh.

More to the point of international relations experience, though: she once took a trip to Kuwait and Germany, and you can actually *see* Russia from an island in Alaska. What kind of incredibly STOOPID pitiful pathetic attempt at dimplomatic bonafides is that? About like McCain listing the Wasilla PTA as part of her executive experience.

C'mon, people, wake up. She's popular because so many women (and men too, I guess) are thinking, hey, working mom, she's just like us. What they don't ask themselves is if THEY would be able to be president. or even VP.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

What she should be praying to God about is to find the proper course of action, not to jusitfy a prior choice.

Nice try, but no cigar. First, she was making her remarks (made at a church long before this interview) as a citizen, not decision -maker or the planner, and second, she was praying that the leaders responsible have a plan and that their plan is also God's plan. That's about all any of us can do is pray that those designing the plan come up with something that God will bless as good.

Reading comprehension is a bitch.

Notice that she exhorts prayer for out military and ALSO for the country AND LEADERS

“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Jim Rhoads aka Vnjagvet

There must be a JOM alert on Kos tonight. BD failed to raise the meter much. Now he has called in reinforcements.

Clue trolls:

It doesn't matter what we think, but what the independents and moderate democrats think. So far your arguments sound emotional and nitpicky.

Think how those arguments would sound if you were posting with a group of guys and gals just settling down after a night at the bowling alley in McKeesport, PA or Cincinnati, OH.

If they wouldn't be effective there, they won't make any difference.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

C'mon, people, wake up. She's popular because so many women (and men too, I guess) are thinking, hey, working mom, she's just like us. What they don't ask themselves is if THEY would be able to be president. or even VP.

She's a hell of a lot more qualified than Obama. He doesn't have one positive thing on his resume to recommend him for the presidency or to be commander-in-chief.

nlcatter

I for one nevr picked on her praying

I only said she is a corrupt, lying, book burning creationist politician.

lowercaseliberatarian

On the whole, I found Palin unsettlingly evasive in too many of her answers. My first impression of her (during the last two weeks) was that she is primarily an ambitious politician, and this was reinforced by what I've heard of The Interviews so far (Nightline). Experience ("I have experience on energy policy and energy has a lot to do with national defense", the question of whether she was changing her stated opinion on man's role, if any, in climate change ("show me where I ever said there is absolute proof that we have no role", which was not the question or Gibson's implication of her position), the Bush Doctrine (an honest answer would've been, "The what?"), the question about Israel attacking Iran, and on and on. Any time she wasn't sure of an answer, she seemed to wrap herself in the flag and go on about protecting our great and wonderful country from the scourge of international terrorism which threatens to destroy it.

Sorry, Governess, but platitudes do not a good national executive make. Unfortunately for the Republic, they may a successful candidate make. I don't know about you or Abraham Lincoln or anyone else, but I'm praying that God's plan is *not* the Palin Plan.

lowercaseliberatarian

C'mon, people, wake up. She's popular because so many women (and men too, I guess) are thinking, hey, working mom, she's just like us. What they don't ask themselves is if THEY would be able to be president. or even VP.

She's a hell of a lot more qualified than Obama. He doesn't have one positive thing on his resume to recommend him for the presidency or to be commander-in-chief.

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So, that would be a "Yes, but..." ?

MayBee

As a college professor (10+ / 0-)

I recognize the tell tale signs of student trying to bullshit their way through an answer. The repetition of points irrelevant to the question the increase in emotional intensity, the general language and the obvious avoidance of specifics. Wow this is uncomfortable to watch

I am an acclaimed human behavioral specialist. I recognize the tell-tale signs of a Kos poster trying to bullshit his way through a comment thread.

bad

anal

Suffering from smoke inhalation?

bad

Ryan Lizza, July 21, 2008 The New Yorker: LUN

As a community organizer, he tried to turn a partnership of churches into a political force on the South Side. But the work accomplished very little.

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“But I(Obama) didn’t come out of a political family, didn’t have a history of activism in my family. So I understood these things in the abstract. When I went to Chicago, it was the first time that I had the opportunity to test out my ideas. And for the most part I would say I wasn’t wildly successful. The victories that we achieved were extraordinarily modest: you know, getting a job-training site set up or getting an after-school program for young people put in place.”

Last year (according to the article) Obama told Lizza his accomplishments as a community organizer were "extraordinarily modest." Now he is extraordinarily miffed that his time as a community organizer is not regarded with sufficient gravitas.

LUN

Simple Simon

the hypocrisy of Obama and Biden sending their kids to private school and offering no voucher /chpoice system versus PTA hockey mom Sarah will be startling. Furthermore, the nepotism shown to biden's sons assistant ag and lobbying contract versus McCain and Palin kids in service will be stark contrast. The sacrifice of 20 months of campaigning versus service?

Obama reminds me of Olmert a great politician but lousy leader. Olmert has been able to survive over two years because of the corrupt Israeli political system while Obama and his cronies know how to kneecap opponenets. See Ryan Lizza article, disclosure of Ryan divorce papers, and gaming the democratic caucus system. But can he lead or is he Olmert II.

Refernce Tonya Harding to Letterman joke of Popular Mechanics and a wrench.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Monsters from the Id: Good-bye to All That's Democrat

Ditto everything at the link - My answer to all trolls, media, and the left in general.

lowercaseliberatarian

I firmly believe that a person's religious beliefs are a personal and private matter -- the most private there is. Even public figures in government. With one exception -- when they make them public *and* start talking about them in terms of public policy. Then those beliefs are fair game for public debate. In that spirit, I offer the following:

"I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words" -- VP candidate Sarah Palin to Charles Gibson

Oh, yeah?

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built." -- Governor Sarah Palin to ministerial graduating class at Wasilla A of G church.

And I am not taking this quote out of context or distorting it in any way. See for yourself. Here's a video made *by the church*:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3423549020224316592&ei=DwTKSOTSHo-srQLO0dTcAg&q=palin+task+from+god+assembly+wasilla&vt=lf&hl=en

So she's a liar, QED. Why then should we believe anything she says? Speaking of things religious, on that same tape you can hear her talking about growing up in that AG church, but in her Time magazine interview recently she said, "I was baptized Catholic as a newborn and then my family started going to non-denominational churches throughout our life."

Which is it? Why is she trying to hide her Pentecostal past? Why is she denying ever having presumed to speak for God?

If you are not made afraid by this (unless of course you are in complete agreement with her religious views, in which case God help the rest of us), what will it take to wake you up?

Quasiblogger

And Obama lied about the infanticide bill. Your point?

lowercaseliberatarian

I recognize the tell tale signs of student trying to bullshit their way through an answer. The repetition of points irrelevant to the question the increase in emotional intensity, the general language and the obvious avoidance of specifics. Wow this is uncomfortable to watch

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I'm not even trained in body language or any such, but I recognized all those things as well, and knew exactly what they meant. She was very uncomfortable, and for good reason. And it wasn't because of any piranhas. It was because of plain old ignorance.

Michael J Clarke

Any world leader who justifies his decisions on the basis of Theocracy is deluded and dangerous. In fact such a leader is unconstitutional in the United States. Thomas Jefferson would turn in his grave.
But is already guilty of an impeachable crime against humanity when he said that "God told him to invade Iraq." After this statement he should have been instantly removed from power and placed in a mental institution. Unfortunately the American people seem intent on taking on board en even worse evil. FOR THE SAKE OF THE REST OF THIS PLANET AMERICA-SHOW SOME SENSE. OBAMA IS AT LEAST THE LESSER EVIL!

Mustang0302

God told Thomas Jefferson to invade Iraq? I bet it's too late to impeach him now.

Michael J Clarke

How could you misunderstand what I meant.
This excerpt from Wikipedia is taken from the article about Thomas Jefferson's First Amendment. This is, as far as I know, still in force!

Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other.[1] The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[2]

The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.

The concept has since been adopted in a number of countries, to varying degrees depending on the applicable legal structures and prevalent views toward the proper role of religion in society. A similar principle of laïcité has been applied in France and Turkey, while some socially secularized countries such as Norway have maintained constitutional recognition of an official state religion. The concept parallels various other international social and political ideas, including secularism, disestablishment, religious liberty, and religious pluralism.

M. Simon

Dear ∅bama Supporters,

Keep up the good work!

You have increased McCain/Palin's Electoral vote count by 20 today.

What happens is that when you lie and get hysterical your candidates get branded as hysterical liars.

Thank you. As of right now it is MP 272. ∅B at 266. Do you think you could move MP to 300 by next week? If you do a really good job you can get that up to 350 for MP by the end of next week. We appreciate your efforts.

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