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October 04, 2008

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Ann

..discipline problems (his, not mine, but thanks for asking) prevented it from happening.

LOL, Hit

hit and run

I might still go sleep in the tent out back tonight.

hit and run

...mrs hit and run's decision, not mine...

(I snore a lot)

PaulL

Sometimes I think those expensive piano lessons for Michelle's kids were just distractions to keep the country's attention away from NAIL BOMBER Ayers and his close, working relationship with Obama that spanned decades.

narciso

This was the fellow; Jamal Simmons, was threatening to bring up; a man whose been dead for 18 years, and who they couldn't prosecute, yet libel laws were a useless
defense for,http://query.nytimes.com/
gst/fullpage.htmlres=9C0CE7D7113FF93BA15755C0A966958260> as Col. McFarlane found out in his subsequent case against Craig Unger; who went on to bigger and better things??, despite the facts that his piece in Esquire
contained numerous lies, the courts held him
not liable for his libel. The thing is Scott Shane, knows in his heart, that Keith
Martinez, must be persecuted and KSM be set free; Chinese style interrogation tactics, are wrong, except when the Chinese practice them against their own people. it seems we are moving toward a moment not unlike Chile in 1970 or Tehran in 1953; where the enemy will challenge the government's defense against the encroachment of radicalism, if
need be by violence. It's been kind of surprising that they have waited this long;Obama's defeat would ratify their Port Huron type conclusions, with the media openly echoing Ayers, Wright, Chomsky promotion of the ideology, Alinski providing the tactics, apparently Auchi, Soros, Sandler (maybe not so much anymore) Al Samarrai, Mansour provide the funding

clarice

I sure hope you are wrong, narciso.

Ann

Hit,

You reminded me of the one and only time my husband and daughter camped in our yard. It took about 15 minutes before my daughter called me on the walkie talkie (awhile ago :)) and told me that her dad was asleep and snoring. She was cold and wondered if she could come in and have hot chocolate and sleep with me!

M. Simon

narciso,

Please just put the link in on a separate line and don't even try to do html.

I'll make it work if I can just get a good link.

Stick to intel analysis and leave the html to me. A proper division of labor.

kim

Get a sleep study, hit.
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Sara (Pal2Pal)

And they made fun of Palin when she said you could see Russia from Alaska.

First Russian live missile fire air exercise near Alaska

DEBKAfile's military sources report that starting Monday, Tu-160 Blackjack and Tu-95 MS Bear-H strategic bombers will fly missions carrying the maximum combat payload and firing all cruise missiles
aboard over sub-Arctic Russia and Belarus, close to Alaska. Moscow is claiming to 18 percent of the oil-rich Arctic's territory.

kim

Belarus?
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kim

Well, it should have said 'sub-Arctic Russia, close to Alaska, and Belarus, and the Caribbean, both of the last two far from Alaska.
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Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via Atlas Shrugs:

The above quote was prefaced with:

Van wrote me that the Russian long-range Bear recon and bombers would soon be back. Palin's remarks about these flights were ridiculed in the press. Well, here they come and they are armed now. He predicts they will show up in Cuba. They have already flown to Venezuela.
M. Simon

A great ad by Judicial Confirmations

M. Simon

Rockford Register Star: Front Page Below the fold 4 Oct 2008:

Home sales in the Rock River Valley recorded one of the strongest months this year, a Realators group said Friday.

"Even with the fluctuations in the financial markets, home sales were stable for the month, when normally they fall by more that 15% from August to September." Steve Bois, CEO of Rockford Area Realtors, said.

M. Simon

WIFR - Rockford Reports on Real Estate - Quotes Steve Bois.

Rockford is in the middle of farm country. We still have gasoline and diesel.

Molon Labe

Someone check this out and see if significant:

Agent of Saddam Arrested in Chicago

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/943039/posts

Possible Obama connection in post 110 in that thread.

Molon Labe

Agent of Saddam Arrested in Chicago

Reposted with LUN.

M. Simon

Agent of Saddam arrested

Post #110 - Saddam's agent arrested

M. Simon

The report is from 2003 and the connections to Obama are tenuous at best.

Molon Labe

My bad. I didn't pay attention to date of original article. However, there is a connection. Just another straw on the camel's back.

Jane

Morning everyone.

Deval Patrick has asked for a bail-out from the Government, joining CA. Friday we were going to cut our budget (except for the Governor of course who is doubling his) but Deval was inspired by California.

I vote no.

pagar

Good morning to all!

For those Americans who have nor realized how dangerous it is to have William Ayers in charge of the curriculum of every child in America, here is another article:

" Instead, critical pedagogy theorists nurse a rancorous view of an America in which it is always two minutes to midnight and a knock on the door by the thought police is imminent. The education professors feel themselves anointed to use the nation’s K–12 classrooms to resist this oppressive system. Thus Maxine Greene urged teachers not to mince words with children about the evils of the existing social order. They should portray “homelessness as a consequence of the private dealings of landlords, an arms buildup as a consequence of corporate decisions, racial exclusion as a consequence of a private property-holder’s choice.” In other words, they should turn the little ones into young socialists and critical theorists.

All music to Bill Ayers’s ears. The ex-Weatherman glimpsed a new radical vocation. He dreamed of bringing the revolution from the streets to the schools. And that’s exactly what he has managed to do."

I urge people to especially read the portion on Steve Head, a conservative who decided to become a teacher.

"In a sworn legal document, Head recounted that when his professor showed the class a videotape purporting to reveal institutional racism against immigrants, he responded by suggesting that most immigrants actually came here because they realized they would be better off, including benefiting from healthier race relations. Professor Kress responded that anyone holding such opinions was clearly “unfit to teach.” Head further infuriated the professor by suggesting that the class be allowed to read black social scientists like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams to provide some intellectual balance on the issues of race and education."

Its a long article, but it clearly explains how William Ayers and those who believe like him have already, (through the US education system) changed America. They intend to do more, much more with Obama as President.

pagar

IMO< It looks like the connection to Obama is clear.

From the link furnished by M.Simon:

"2001 : (THE WOODS FUND GRANTS $40,000 TO AAAN {see MONA KHALIDI}) In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.
Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971....
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...

2002 : (THE WOODS FUND GRANTS $35,000 TO AAAN) The [Woods] Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002. Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website."

M. Simon

American Thinker article Pagar referred to.

M. Simon

Steve Head links.

pagar

Hey, I like this, I think about something and M.Simon posts the great links in living color.
Thanks M.

M. Simon

pagar,

I've given up on teaching people how to do links. Given that I resisted learning that stuff until I got my own blog - no problem.

Leaving a link on its own line does make it easier for me.

Color? Let us see how this works out:

Red

M. Simon

No color in the comments.

Cecil Turner

No color in the comments.

Yeah, we need somebody like Madden.

bubarooni

RED

RED

ben

Hmm...Intrade shows an uptick for McCain, downtick for Obama, wondering if its due to this story....currently 64-36 but was as high as 71-29....

bgates

Yeah, we need somebody like Madden.
Well, the thing about that is, when you have...a debate...a lot of people are looking at this guy over here
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and they think, "wow, here's a guy who really knows what he's talking about."
But then you get this lady coming in from the other side ========>
and BAM! And she just lays the guy out, even when, like in this case, there's kind of a double-team going on. I mean, that's the kind of thing, if you watch a lot of debates, I think you'd have to say that Sarah Palin is the Brett Favre of debating.

ben

From Instapundit, a story about the Weathermen...and a great quote:

"Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me."


http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

M. Simon

www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

PaulL

Did you know that Sarah is a racist? The AP figured it out:

*****
Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.

*****

Jane

I think we need a few more of Wright's sermons - to cheer us up and all that.

ben

"It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American."

What was their first clue?

bio mom

One more time: IGNORE ALL POLLS!! GARBAGE IN-GARBAGE OUT!!

We are finally cancelling our NYTimes subscription. Reached the tipping point. This is a big deal for my husband to do. He loves the business section.

ben

"The Taliban are unusually angry about the latest suspected U.S. missile strike in Pakistan, a sign a top militant may have died in the attack, officials and residents said Sunday amid reports the death toll rose by two to 24."

I (and Obama) blame Bush for making the Taliban unusually angry, and for the rising death toll.

ben

"He loves the business section."

The NYT has a business section? Next to the Big Government Section?

matt

Palin was at a rally yesterday in Carson, CA with 20,000-25,000 screaming fans. The Orange County Register, which serves a suburb of LA 20 miles away, had it on the front page. The LA Times didn't bother to mention it.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?

Is there anything the dems don't attribute to racism? I've never seen such a racist group as they are. They are fixated. It is they who intend to vote for Obama because of the color of his skin, because it certainly can't be because of his accomplishments.

And is anyone else sick of guys like Obama and Ayers using the political system as therapy for their ongoing father issues? I'm a voter, not a family counselor.

Fisher

**** Morning Polls ****

Denver Post poll shows it all TIED at 44. If Obama can't pull CO, then he must get VA at a minimum.


Palin must now follow-up on Ayers by mentioning SPECIFICALLY what Ayers tried to do... also need to note his comments made on 9/11 regarding his dissapointment that he didn't kill more people.

jimmyk

From that AP "Analysis" (I guess they misspelled "Editorial"):

"But Palin's reference questions Obama's associations and thereby his character. And her context is inaccurate.

"She is referring to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false.[sic] No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career."

No evidence. Zero. It's a good thing we have journalists to set us straight.

LUN

bgates

It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
This suggests that Obama's birthplace and faith counters the charge of un-Americanism. I could do without such nativist religious chauvinism.

Molon Labe

Obama and Ayers in a panel discussion, 1997.


Close-up on juvenile justice


Get it before it goes down the memory hole.


hrtshpdbox

Everybody see Claire McCaskill and Joe Lieberman on Fox News Sunday? McCaskill thinks it's oh-so-shameful for Palin to bring up character and suggests that McCain rein her in immediately. I can understand why the Obama people don't want the character issue raised. And rather than reprimand his VP, McCain had better start talking about Ayers and Rezko as well (leave Rev Wright to the 527s). McCain can't do it, but others in the GOP have got to start hitting hard on what Obama was doing while McCain was being tortured for five years. Joe Lieberman was waaaay too polite to tear McCaskill a new one; with 30 days to go, polite isn't going to cut it.

pagar

The Ayers aren't just tight with Obama:

" Like the ACLU, the American Bar Association questions the constitutionality of President Bush's ""spying"" program. Also like the ACLU, the ABA is tight with Dohrn. She was the founding chairwoman of the ABA's Children's Legal Rights Committee and was appointed to an ABA advisory committee on immigration.
So much for the nation's most prominent lawyers organization's regard for lawfulness."

" Has Dohrn ever expressed remorse? Quite the contrary: In an article last year for the New York-based socialist publication Monthly Review, she called the U.S. ""the greatest purveyor of violence on this earth.""

Article

I'm able to get this far with HTML, but still can't get the fancy colors and multiple words. The time spent doing it this way is minutes, versus a few seconds for LUNs.

Jane

The Fox Economy special is on again at 2:00 - which is now.

Porchlight

Thanks, Jane.

cathyf
And is anyone else sick of guys like Obama and Ayers using the political system as therapy for their ongoing father issues? I'm a voter, not a family counselor.
To be fair, I'd add Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich to that category as well. Or maybe I'd put it a different way -- after Bill Clinton's impeachment father issue, my lifetime patience for that crap is pretty much exhausted...
Jane

I have a confession - so I may as well make it here.

I was speaking with my mother a few minutes ago. She is 82, ex-teacher, lefty leaning toward Obama. She is also a bit of a narcissist. She won't discuss the election, but asked if I saw the VP debate. She appeared more pleased with Palin than the last time we discussed it, but she made some dig at her.

I told her, she would have been Palin if she had been born in this era. She was exactly the same kind of self-made accomplished woman who would have had a similar career path if it had been available, because she had the same guts and the same Moxie as Palin does. That's all true - but I was clearly pandering.

Charlie (Colorado)

Well, I missed it because when the RNC does something like this they seem to announce it with about 11 minutes warning, but there was an RNC conference call today to announce that they were filing a complaint with the FEC over Obama's, erm, overly liberal controls on his online fund raising.

I'm not sure if the FEC can do anything since they don't have a full board. Anyone have an idea?

Charlie (Colorado)

A-Carp has some of the details at Townhall.com.

bad

...but I was clearly pandering.

Pandering or giving a reality check? I vote for reality check. And good for you!!

sylvia

I wasn't a fan of the Pain pick, as I thought she should have at least completed one term as Gov first, but I am starting to get pissed at how she is portrayed in the press and by people as an airhead.

FOX ran the VP debate on a loop yesterday and I saw the VP debate again. Now that we know that Biden made a lot of that junk up, now we know why he seemed more knowledgable. If you debunk his errors, it seems like Palin made far less errors than he did, and she hasn't been around for 35 years.

Plus Biden kept talking about some Senate votes that only people in the Senate would know whether it was right or not, to twist McCain's viewpoint (McCain voted to cut off funding from the troops? McCAin voted the same way as Obama on taxes? What was Biden talking about?) We heard later from other Senators that Biden was wrong.

As to her giving canned answers, what kind of answers did Biden give or does any other candidate give? They have a minute or two to answer a question, how indepth can they get? Talking about canned answers, Obama gives the most canned answers of all, I can predict pretty much down to the word what answer he'll give in a debate, but everyone thinks he's a genius. Yet Palin is an "airhead". It's sexist, and it's wrong.

ex-democrat

sylvia - the other day i heard palin described - in exactly the same tone that you'd describe her as 'from alaska', say - as "uneducated."
wow, i thought, in that case more than 95% of americans are "uneducated."

i've said this before elsewhere but i think it bears repeating - I am as educated as obama and my wife is more educated than either of us. nevertheless, we both think palin is sharp as a tack and that obama's intellect is substantially over-rated.

clarice

Charlie, you asked on the other thread about a tro--there's a possibility a court might require him to include some notice to contributors requiring them to attest that they are US citizens, but I'd be surprised if there's much that can be done to prevent him from using what he's already taken in under his improperly slack fundraising.
Every fed candidate i know requires such attestations and certainly his team knows that and ignored it for a reason.

BOATBUILDER

Anyone who has ever participated in a debate, or argued publicly (as a lawyer, for example), or attempted to argue with an "informed" liberal (oxymoron, I know) knows that it is virtually impossible to respond to a false assertion about "facts" which are not generally known or agreed upon. There was no way that Palin could "call" Biden on his many falsehoods, other than by doing what she did--"I watched those debates, and I remember what they were about"--and hope that the "factcheckers" set the record straight.
Biden's lies were the worst kind of bad faith. And he knew it. The man has no shame. And he knew that the MSM would let it slide. As they have.

M. Simon

ex-democrat,

My #2 son who graduated with honors from U Chicago is totally impressed with Barry O. He thinks Palin is just a Republican trick.

He confuses degrees with brains. As a non-degreed aerospace engineer I do not make that mistake. I have my fingers crossed that in 10 years or so of life experience he will wise up.

BOATBUILDER

Also--Biden's absurdities--The U.S and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, we spent more in two weeks in Iraq than the total for Afghanistan, etc. were designed to knock Palin off stride. One's immediate response is not to "call" the falsehood, but to think "what the...?" Better to stick to the "canned" stuff. She didn't take the bait.

Daddy

Jane
I missed the debate as I was airborne and all we got on the radios was about 1,000 miles worth of staticky baseball playoffs. Arriving in Indy about midnight I asked the 2 female bus drivers how did the ballgame come out and they both replied they weren't listening to any ballgame they had been listening to the debate. Both were enthusiastic and pumped, and extremely complementary of Sarah's performance, especially since they had been led to believe she was going to do so poorly. The female Cab driver was very jazzed as well and said exactly the same thing. Ditto for the check-in lady in the hotel. Later at The Redeye Cafe in downtown Indy for a 2 AM Guiness and Spanish Omelette (Yumm!), the bartender girls were also oblivious of ESPN and SportsCenter on the overhead TV's behind, and both were still complementing Sarah on her performance. All these girls were Colts fans, and they were acting exactly like they do when their Colts win a playoff game. I have no idea what any of their politics were, but it seemed that Sarah's performance was somehow something they took personally, and they were proud of how she did. I never did get any opinions from any guys what they thought about the debate since apparantly women do all the work after midnight in Indianapolis, but my unscientific survey of the working girls of middle America is that Sarah made a very big and a very positive impression. Whether or not it'll turn into votes for her, who knows. Then of course back in the hotel room I made the mistake of turning on CNN and realized I was peering into an alternate universe. To me CNN is like a mental Burqha on the minds of America. I do truely dispise that TV network.

M. Simon

clarice,

One thing Zero's race with Clinton showed was that after a certain point money can't buy you any more votes.

Bette the Euro/Arabian Yahoos spend the money on Barry than on T-bills. Barry has a no-refunds policy. Provided he loses.

Jane

Ya know Daddy, my mother grew up on a chicken farm in Maine, in the depression. In college she was a pilot and the president of the Maine flight club. She raised 2 kids as a single parent from ages 7 and 11. She worked 3 jobs while attaining a Masters plus 30 from Tufts and she saved every dime she ever got. She raised her daughters to believe they could be anything they wanted to be as long as they were willing to work hard enough. And she turned out a liberal. Go figure.

Good for the women in Indy. And good for the LA head of NOW.

sylvia

"I wasn't a fan of the Pain pick"

That's Palin of course. It wasn't some subtle dig, it's just that the keys on my keyboard stick. L, V,B, are some of them. That's what happens when you use your laptop as a lunchtray I guess.

Porchlight

Daddy,

Thanks for the Indy update. I am trying to figure it out. Wildly enthusiastic audiences for Palin, RNC fundraising for September 1/3 higher than their previous record, VP debate viewership 1/3 higher than previous VP debate, etc. Why isn't this showing in the polls?

I despise CNN too and absolutely never ever turn it on. When I get stuck in an aiport w/o a laptop or headphones it is misery having to listen to that carp. I usually call my dad in that situation because he totally sympathizes.

Daddy

Jane, Mom sounds like a great lady. All I can suggest is the more honest exposure to Sarah Palin, the better.

Porchlight, Ditto on the CNN sentiments. About every 6 months I write the same message on this blog after having returned from overseas. For 2 weeks I find myself trapped in hotel rooms with nothing but BBC and CNN, and if I stayed listening for another weeks worth of that poison, I'd start hating America too. At least now I can get the Al Jazeera Network in half the places I go, but guess what...it's all ex-CNN and BBC TV Newscasters. Arrrgh!

Do you guys think with any luck we could get Cub's manager Lou Piniella to take over Obama's campaign?

Amused bystander

M. Simon, in another life, I was an academic for many years, and today I still have to deal with that milieu professionally from time to time: Believe me, this is the sort of notion that is actively pushed on young people today - and often in our "best" schools.

Particularly in the humanities, many a professor is both an ignoramus and of a lower intellectual caliber. The mediocrity is just shocking -- it is literally beyond belief.

This is starting to infest other fields outside of the humanities as well.

Amazingly, these people often are not even aware of their deficiencies.

We are now facing a SECOND generation of academics that do not in fact even know the basic historical background of their fields.

I have met tenured "English" teachers that have never read Milton or Yeats -- not even the Cliff Notes.

There is now a "Music Appreciation" text in somewhat broad usage that does not mention Mozart or Beethoven. It is all about popular music and jazz. Imagine that.

It is difficult to have a just a basic intellectual discussion with them.They do not have the culture.

There is lack of even a basic knowledge of history. Parsing logical errors or rhetoric is beyond them. Their prose? Often indecipherable.

I tell, when I was a boy, the average adult that just got through a decent High School and worked at a common job was better educated and more civilized that many academics today. I have had more interesting discussions with people that worked in a grain elevator than these buffoons. I am not exaggerating, and I am talking about some backwater university either.

It just amazes me.

At one point it is going to be hard to "raise the cane back up" even if we have the nation will to do so.

There is also substantial grade inflation.
I sure hope your son actually learned that is both useful and civilizing. I'd check that out if I were you.

matt

Amused;

The same problem affects our business and political elites as well. An MBA has become the stand in for common sense. I have seen more management at major companies make more mistakes based upon ego, greed, selfishness, envy, and lust than one can imagine.

A significant percentage of the mergers and acquisitions of the past decade were based on rose colored glasses interpretations of "synergies" and balance sheets. Others were driven by "mine is bigger than yours". Others simply by greed.

Many major corporations are nothing but labels these days. HP, Dell, Apple, Motorola and many others make little or nothing anymore, and are "packagers" of the designs and products of others. That only lasts so long until the suppliers realize they don't need a label, especially in cost driven markets.

Many years ago, RCA was being squeezed on margins, so they decided to put their name on televisions by a company that was not as well known in the field. That lasted @ 3 years before Sony realized they had no need of the RCA name. Senior management are killing manufacturing and design in North America, which is, by the way, where a lot of the best paying jobs come from.

As to the political class, as Willie Sutton said when asked why he robbed banks..."that's where the money is" these days.

Amused bystander

Matt:
Ah yes, the MBA's...don't get me started.

Yessiree, just so. You've got that right.

Ruined many a firm.

BTW, HP and Motorola where once clients of mine, when they were real companies.

I also worked at Bell Labs before the Lucent days...you can imagine that I am not so please to see Carly as an advisor to McCain.

Beats Soros though...

clarice

I'm not so pleased to see Armitage as an advisor to McCain, but it beats Ayers or Michelle.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I have had more interesting discussions with people that worked in a grain elevator than these buffoons. I am not exaggerating, and I am talking about some backwater university either

One of the smartest people I've known is my former mother-in-law. She only had an 8th grade education and spent the majority of her life quite poor trying to make a go of a dryland farm, but she could cut through the bullsh!t faster than anyone I've known and come up with the best (and most correct) common sense answer, while the better/best educated were still trying to parse the question. She didn't always have good grammar, in fact, it would make most of us shudder to hear her speak, and she was in the habit of peppering her speech with some pretty descriptive barnyard language not exactly fit for the drawing room, but she got it and she always made sense.

Amused bystander

Yes, vertainly. But also, years ago people got a reasonable education through high school.

I think your MIL must have had some high native intelligence. I was not even talking about that -- I was not even aiming that high -- I was just talking about being reasonably literate, cultured and civilized. Nothing special, nothing grand.

We used to have a notion that if your were ignorant, poorly spoken and unthinking then you shamed your family. Again, I am not talking about higher degrees or high intellect

Once upon a time, people had to express themselves to one another and defend their ideas.

But I have known people like your MIL and understand you completely.

Amused bystander

*certainly*

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Amused: A short story about my now d-i-l.

Somehow I found out that my son had been seeing this young woman for nearly 2 years and had never brought her home. This was very unusual and got my antenna up as to what was wrong with her. We got into an argument and he slammed out with, "okay you'll see, you'll hate her."

So, he brings her home and she seemed fine to me. Clean, funny, cute, didn't eat her peas with a knife, but oh my her grammar was atrocious.

We took a quick run down to the mini-mart together and she said something like, "I seen that" or "I done that." I automatically corrected her without thinking, the same as I'd done with my children all their lives. I was mortified to look over and see her in tears.

I felt awful and told her I didn't mean to offend her. She told me, "no no no, it's just that noone has ever cared before." So, I pulled over and we had a long talk about how cleaning up her grammar was a whole lot easier than cleaning up her character, which seemed just fine. I asked her if she wanted to learn and she said yes, especially since my son had told her he would never bring her around me or his Grandmother and have her embarrass him. (I made mental note to do some character cleaning with him.) We made a pact.

The next day I went and found a DVD set for grade school level interactive exercises on grammar and grammatical rules. She would come over after work every night and work for 2 hours on those exercises. It is now 15 years later and I never catch her in an error.

A few years ago when her young nephew joined us in Calif. as a 19 year old, his grammar was even worse than my d-i-l's had been. I heard her tell him that if he was going to succeed with people outside the backwoods of Missouri, he'd need to clean up his speech. I smiled to myself as I listened to her correcting him the way I corrected her. Now I see him correcting his own little 4 year old.

Both my d-i-l and her nephew are naturally intelligent, but they grew up in a large and basically uneducated family in a town of 200 people where 180 were related to them. They spoke what they had heard all their lives.

M. Simon

Porchlight,

Thanks for the kick in the pants re: polls. I'll have an explanation up in an hour or so.

M. Simon

Amused,

Russian Literature. He is now a semi quant for a consulting firm that caters to consumer product companies. So it is not all bad.

Elliott

bgates,

Awesome.

Amused bystander

Sara:

You know the one aobut Noah Webster?

Seems his wife cought him with the maid.

She said "Well, Mr. Webster, I am surprised!"

Unperturbed, he said: "No Madam, I am surprised. You are shocked."

Amused bystander

*caught*

Amused bystander

*about* sheesh!

clarice

OT: I am informed that in his new book on the CIA Ishmael Jones "The Human Factor" pp. 254-255 says of Plame:
"Newspaper reports suggesting that Plame had been involved in intelligence operations overseas as a non-State Department officer are false. Plame spent nearly all of her career in training and HQs desk assignments, and trainees and HQs desk officers are not assigned to overseas intelligence missions. CIA sensors seem to have approved those portions of her book that were critical of the President, but to have blocked those portions that would have revealed she was not an active intelligence officer. Following the purge, Plame spent the rest of her twenty-year career in an HQs cubicle."


Sara (Pal2Pal)

Clarice: Wow!

M. Simon

Porchlight:

The Numbers Game: how the polls are being cooked.

You got a mention.

clarice

Yes--should be "consors"BTW..I just ran with my sources quote w/o proofing.

clarice

"CENSORS" dammit.

Amused bystander

Well considering it's the CIA, it could be either.

PeterUK

"Following the purge, Plame spent the rest of her twenty-year career in an HQs cubicle."

Hind Quarters cubicle?

clarice

AB, I am sure I know you..just can't place you in that disguise.

Amused bystander

Impossible. Do not see how.

kim

I've considered him as parody, but it is just too funny. Keep it up, Ab, trop droll.
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Porchlight

Thanks, M. Simon! Great post. I commented in the other thread...

Amused bystander

kim: huh?

Pofarmer

I have had more interesting discussions with people that worked in a grain elevator than these buffoons.

Most people would be extremely surprised what gets discussed at Grain Elevators.

kim

Ab, you've got a great schtick; briefly I thought you were putting it on.

Pofarmer, think of what a great spot the mill must have been.
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Rocco

Is America ready to pay more than half of their income to the government? Think about that, we'll work the first 4 hours and one minute out of every 8 hour work day for the government.

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