The Captain has the latest implausible spin from Obama's campaign manager David Axelrod on the Obama-Ayers connection:
JIM ACOSTA: Now a college professor in Chicago, Ayers and Obama served together several years on a nonprofit board. And in 1995 Ayers hosted a coffee for Obama when the young community organizer was making his first run for the State Senate. At this point looking back, should he not have done that?
DAVID AXELROD: Well I mean, when he went, he certainly — he didn’t know the history.
ACOSTA: The Democratic nominee’s chief strategist David Axelrod maintains Obama at that time had no idea about Ayers’ violent past.
Well, at least Mr. Axelrod seems to be better versed in the extent of the Obama-Ayers relationship. Here is what he told Ben Smith of The Politico last February:
"Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school," he said. "They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."
Getting warmer!
A POINT TO PONDER: Obama has pledged to meet foreign leaders without preconditions but with preparations. Let's hope the preparations are more thorough than the effort Obama put into researching his collaboraters like Ayers.
AND BTW: Obama and Ayers met in 1988. I can't quite prove it but I would sure like to bet on it.
"I can't quite prove it but I would sure like to bet on it."
No, proving "friendship" is a tricky business. I'm sure the two men were clever enough to keep any friendship on the down low, even back then, as even to Chicagoans it could probably be an "issue". Most associates of theirs, prob as radical as they, aren't going to blab. We don't have records of phonecalls or emails, we don't have witnesses staking them out in the park.
No, we probably won't be able to prove it. But you know who might know though? The FBI. The FBI has all kinds of crazy records on all kinds of people, like actors and rock stars. It's not impossible that they were keeping tabs on Ayers throughout this period too. I would love know what they have on this, if anything.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 02:24 PM
McCain should make the suggestion that if elected he will consider appointing Bill Ayers to head the Department of Education or some Human Rights Commission. Then the MSM will go crazy trying to figure out how to report on Bill Ayers to McCain's detriment while still attempting to not report on Bill Ayers to Obama's benefit.
Posted by: Daddy | October 06, 2008 at 02:26 PM
You know if we really want to get serious on this, we need to start investigating the secretaries and receptionists, and neighbors of their organizations. Any low level non-radical people around there back then who might know something. But who is going to do that? No one. And it's too late now anyway.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I like that idea Daddy.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 02:27 PM
Obama worked for Ayers's foundation.
Ayers wanted to use K-12 teach children about the perils of capitalism and American imperialism.
Posted by: ToddK | October 06, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Well, the new line is as hard to believe as the old line. Given that both M and B worked at the same law firm as Mrs. Bill Ayers, and Dorhn was forced to leave the firm because the state of Illinois refused to admit her to the state bar because of her history of obstructing justice (though, granted, that was before Barry started there), I find it hard to believe at least M wasn't aware of who Dorhn and Ayers were. It must have been much talked about at the time she was forced to leave the firm.
Posted by: Ranger | October 06, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Or better yet, maybe McCain could issue a statement suggesting appointing Ayers to a high level position on Homeland Security. Then don't elaborate a bit, not a single word. Leave it then to the MSM to have to publically ask the question why would McCain want to appoint a former bombmaking domestic terrorist to a department created to hunt down bombmaking domestic terrorists.
Posted by: Daddy | October 06, 2008 at 02:40 PM
TM I think you need to briefly summarize your case on the ABC coalition again. I tried to go back and read your link but there are too many other sub links and the people are lazy! I might try again later.
How big was the ABC coaltition, how many coalitions were there, what was Ayers involvement in it, what was BHO's involvement, how did BHO get into that, etc..
My theory is by the way that it's possible that BHO knew of Ayers maybe since growing up. If BHO's mentor was Frank MArshall Davis, and Frank Marshall Davis was a big wig in the Chicago scene in the 60's, it's probable that Frank Marshall knew Tom Ayers, Bill Ayers father, who was also a committed liberal bigwig in the city at the same time. Not improbable to think that BHO knew of the Ayers family since childhood from Davis, since most people like to name drop of the rich and famous people they know. Also, since Ayers was famous when BHO was 8, maybe Frank Marshall Davis name dropped in that case as the case made headlines. Again, nothing that can be proven, just some thoughts.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Ha, Daddy!
Obama's people are all over the tv today, saying there is "no evidence" they were friendly and pointing to the NYT's reporting as proof they just crossed paths.
How slippery. It's as if they have no independent knowledge of the situation, and no way to get it.
As for Axelrod's original story that they were friendly because their kids went to school, the campaign (when called on it by the foreign press) admitted they were friendly because Bernadine Dorhn was active at the school.
Which makes me think they've pretty much admitted the Obamas are friendly with the whole family.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Obama had his friends, Rev Wright, Farrakhan, and Bill Ayers travel to Libya, which is a travel restricted country for most corporate travelers. Qadaffi is supporting Obama for presidency, as is the muslim world who accepts Obama as their muslim brother. Even if Obama is really a Christian, this is a major issue that Obama need to clarify for the muslims and Obama should address now before the election.
Posted by: Tonya | October 06, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Hence Tom Brokaw's claim this morning that Ayers is now just a "school reformer".
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/d4ab762c-a057-41b9-888d-a4c1b7c0f45f
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 02:52 PM
You know, I've been writing something today about the desirability of thinking "If this other guy knows what he's doing, what would explain what he's doing?"
Well, as pointed out on a previous thread, there are now extensive documents and video evidence for
- Obama's ties to Ayers
- Obama's ties to Fannie Mae etc
- Obama's mistakes about Iraq
- Obama's repeated changes of position as the wind changes direction (but can he tell a hawk from a handsaw?)
- Obama's multiple ties and repeated endorsemens from people who have a lot more Keating Five dirt on them than McCain ever did
- Biden's fantasy world
Now, also consider that the McCain campaign has limited direct money available, and now has more cash than Obama for the last month of the campaign.
It would seem to me, if I thought McCain et al knew what they were doing, that I'd interpret this as them massing their forces for when Obama will be least able to respond effectively, with possibly the additional delay of waiting for the credit market rescue to clear Congress.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Well--if I could prove it--I would bet that both Ayers and Zero are switch hitters.
Posted by: glasater | October 06, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Does anyone else wonder just where Obama got the money to go to Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
And where he got the money in 1981 to travel to Pakistan with his buddies, Sadik and Wahid Hamid, and then to India, Indonesia, and elsewhere?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/us/politics/10obama.html
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Dammit, I left Wright off the list.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 02:57 PM
I don't know if I need to stop taking my paranoid pills or what, but doesn't anyone think it's strange that this economic crisis is happening all of a sudden, with no real warning, right before the election? A crisis that seems to help the Democrats. Hmmm...
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 02:57 PM
I don't know if I need to stop taking my paranoid pills or what, but doesn't anyone think it's strange that this economic crisis is happening all of a sudden, with no real warning, right before the election? A crisis that seems to help the Democrats. Hmmm...
It's not impossible, certainly, but I think it suffers the same issue that the various JFK-conspiracy things do: it requires concerted secret action by literally thousands of players.
And it can't be the Freemasons, my lodge would have called.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Charlie,
Your theory sounds good. But I think Obama knows he can probably count on his rich, elitist friends in Hollywood, academia, DC, and George Soros to cough up major $$$ when his back is against the wall.
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 02:59 PM
fdcol63- and to Bali to write his book.
I do wonder about Harvard. He said in a speech once that he worked his way through college, but when asked for confirmation, his campaign could only point to a low-paying summer job.
He stayed in Pakistan with some friends. I'd bet it wasn't an expensive trip, except for the hashish.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 03:01 PM
I know I'm getting crazy paranoid about BHO, but I really think anything is possible with Obama, because I really do think he has a large network behind him that is motivated.
A radical network of leftists which include radicals who will stop at nothing and have had a long history of organizing and planning and who are now really pissed at the Bush admin, combined with big money supporters like Soros and all the wealthy libs who want to give to this cause. You combine the two, and who knows what could be possible? I don't want to underestimate it.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 03:01 PM
Your theory sounds good. But I think Obama knows he can probably count on his rich, elitist friends in Hollywood, academia, DC, and George Soros to cough up major $$$ when his back is against the wall.
Another reason it has to happen close to the closing date: it would be tough for even the MSM to explain another $200 million in $20 contributions in the last month.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 03:02 PM
As Obama rises in the polls.....The Dow sinks. Correlation anyone?
Posted by: Fisher | October 06, 2008 at 03:02 PM
ou combine the two, and who knows what could be possible? I don't want to underestimate it.
And I don't think you should. I firmly expect that if Obama loses the election, we'll have another fit of lawsuits at best.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 03:03 PM
"He stayed in Pakistan with some friends. I'd bet it wasn't an expensive trip, except for the hashish."
I saw somewhere on TV that BHO's two best friends in highschool were Pakistani. I heard he went to Pakistan to vist their family.
Posted by: sylvia | October 06, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Charlie,
Your theory sounds good. But I think Obama knows he can probably count on his rich, elitist friends in Hollywood, academia, DC, and George Soros to cough up major $$$ when his back is against the wall.
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 02:59 PM
True, but it would be interesting to see how much the carnage in the markets these last couple of weeks is hurting Obama's money numbers. Those limo-liberals that have been writing the big checks seem to be preoccupied with preserving their own wealth at the moment.
Posted by: Ranger | October 06, 2008 at 03:04 PM
OK, Palin has gotten the attention of the MSM and the electorate by playing the terrorist association card.
Now the McCain/Palin message must shift away from Ayers' tactics to his strategy.
See this excellent Steve Diamond post for more.
Posted by: Molon Labe | October 06, 2008 at 03:04 PM
... "In “Dreams from My Father,” he talks of having a Pakistani roommate when he moved to New York, a man he calls Sadik who “had overstayed his tourist visa and now made a living in New York’s high-turnover, illegal immigrant work force, waiting on tables.”
"Mr. Obama, the campaign and his publisher have not provided any details about the identity of Sadik."
"During his years at Occidental College, Mr. Obama also befriended Wahid Hamid, a fellow student who was an immigrant from Pakistan and traveled with Mr. Obama there, the Obama campaign said. Mr. Hamid is now a vice president at Pepsico in New York, and according to public records, has donated the maximum $2,300 to the Obama campaign and is listed as a fund-raiser for it."
"Mr. Chandoo is now a self-employed financial consultant, living in Armonk, N.Y. He has also donated the maximum, $2,300, to Mr. Obama’s primary campaign and an additional $309 for the general election, campaign finance records show." ...
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Drudge .. Ayers, Obama shared stage in 1997; Michelle Obama praised...
Posted by: Neo | October 06, 2008 at 03:09 PM
Just for a second I thought that said "1977".
Whoosh.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 03:11 PM
So ... let me see if I have this right:
If Obama had just been 8 years old when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building, he could then claim a pass on culpability in any future relationship with a domestic terrorist?
Posted by: fdcol63 | October 06, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Neo,
The correct counter strategy: attract the attention to the bombs. Then make an issue of the politics.
If it bleeds it leads.
Posted by: M. Simon | October 06, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Do my comments not show up here?
Posted by: Molon Labe | October 06, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Do my comments not show up here?
Nope. Why?
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 03:23 PM
I am reading Steve Diamond's latest, and it is brilliant.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 03:29 PM
I'm listening to McCain speaking in Albuquerque. He is blasting Obama on Fanny/Freddie. Strongest I've seen McCain.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 06, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Yes sylvia. I have had that same uncomfortable thought. This just seems too coincidental to Obama's benefit. I don't like conspiracy theories usually. So I am trying to push this feeling away.
Posted by: bio mom | October 06, 2008 at 03:48 PM
The gloves have finally come off. McCain was passionate, angry, and pointing fingers at the democrats... my 21 yo was shouting and applauding the new McCain.
Posted by: bmeuppls | October 06, 2008 at 03:53 PM
You have to worry about the complexity of these things.
People can understand "palling around with terrorists," and they can easily understand "God damn America." But LSMs, "small schools," "social justice" teaching, education-based reparations and neo-stalinism? That will never seep into the public consciousness. Certainly not in a month.
To dispel this 40-years-ago thing, I'd rather hear Palin or McCain mention that Ayers stomps on the flag even today while shaping our kids' curriculum, and show his picture doing it. That would resonate with people who know a soldier, with union people who work for a living, and with everyone who flew the flag after 9/11.
Then it might be possible to explain that Ayers and Obama worked together on education issues.
Posted by: Extraneus | October 06, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Ha ha ha.
On Fox, Obama's spokesshrill is saying McCain is misrepresenting Obama's record on Subprime loans. When asked what his record is, she says he worked with.....Lugar on the anti-proliferation bill.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 03:56 PM
I agree, Extraneus.
One take away from Diamond's post is that Obama (with Ayres) has a history of using respected institutions to try to overtake the system from within.
Ayres gave up his bomb-throwing, but not his vision for a different America. Like the Godfather tells Michael- the guys in the white shirts can get away with a lot more.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Friend of Obama
Posted by: PeterUK | October 06, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Yup. And the idea that the flag-stomper "friend" of Obama has anything to do with K-12 school curricula would probably make the average parent's hair stand up.
"This is the man Obama worked with on education issues." [show pic] "Are these the kind of people you want responsible for your child's curriculum?
Posted by: Extraneus | October 06, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Ayers with his CUBA sweatshirt,earring is cute too.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 06, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Must be his favorite baseball team.
Posted by: Extraneus | October 06, 2008 at 04:37 PM
It's on!
McCain:
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 06, 2008 at 04:42 PM
The day before the debate, too. Interesting. Kind of like when boxers eye each other nose-to-nose at the weighing-in the day before the fight. Seems like McCain doesn't respect Obama much, doesn't it?
Posted by: Extraneus | October 06, 2008 at 04:48 PM
mcCain also needs to start pointing people to the evidence such as the video clips on youtube to shame the MSM into playing it.
Posted by: ex-democrat | October 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM
McCain on O and the ecxonomy:
"REMARKS BY JOHN MCCAIN IN ALBUQUERQUE, NM
U.S. Senator John McCain today delivered the following remarks as prepared for delivery at the McCain-Palin 2008 rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico:
"Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?
This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.
Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.
Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, "a good idea." Well, Senator Obama, that "good idea" has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
To hear him talk now, you'd think he'd always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign.
He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them. Did he ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn't he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place? He won't tell you, but you deserve an answer.
Even after he refused to lift a finger to prevent this crisis, when the crisis hit, he was missing in action. He didn't start making calls to round up votes until after the rescue bill failed in the House and the markets crashed. We continue to see the price of delay today as the markets continue to fall. Today the DOW has fallen below 10,000. And yet, members of his own party said they felt no pressure to vote for the bill. Why didn't Senator Obama work to pass this bill from the start? Why did he let it fail and drag out this crisis for a full week before doing a thing to help pass it? "
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=34148>About the economy stupid
Posted by: clarice | October 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Nice head game on who is O really? O has to wonder what McCain has and when he's going to drop it.
Posted by: clarice | October 06, 2008 at 04:52 PM
It's Over for McCain
McCain is done. Not only has he lost the current presidential election, he has lost his reputation and with it, his prospects at committee posts in the Senate, his worth to the Republican Party, and his value in a re-election for his current Senate seat. We are watching the writhing and twisting of a wretched beast brought low by his own bestiality, his own animalistic desire to win at any cost, and purely to feed the raging fire of his titanic ego which he has, woefully for him, confused with his true self worth.
We can certainly be happy that he will no longer inflict his Janus-like faux-maverick mask upon the gulled in the media who, not too long ago, loved having him sit on their couches and genuflect lightly in his erroneously sainted direction.
We can also rejoice that he has, in setting the match to the conflagration of his own career, also taken down with him a once future light of the GOP, that being Mrs. Palin, idiot beauty queen and witch-hunter who so misunderstands the teachings of her alleged mentor Christ that it would not be wrong to say she is, in fact, an agent of the very devilish functions she alleges to wish to destroy. The fact that McCain is managing to ensure her own career destruction and her return to the secessionist life her husband was carving out with his snowmobile is a blessing on top of a blessing.
In thirty days, we will all enjoy waving these two wretched creatures into the sunset.
Until then, GOTV, sign up for phone banking, vote early if you can, and let's make sure Obama and Biden win by such a stunning majority that Diebold holds its misprogrammed mechanical head in shame.
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2008/10/its_over_for_mc.html
Posted by: Angellight | October 06, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Great speech. Is it too late?
I heard today on the radio that the Obama campaign organization immediately had 93,000 people calling in to various radio/TV stations complaining about Sarah Palin's speech linking Obama to terrorists.
From the start, the Democrats have been so organized and disciplined -- energetic and eager -- ready immediately to quibble, argue, scream, and howl over every point made by the few Republicans willing to fight this campaign.
Pray God McCain isn't too late.
Posted by: joan | October 06, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Oh, please, joan--it is hardly impressive that he can organize his brown shirted nitwits to call in--look what trolls they've been throwing over the JOM transom the past week-
Posted by: clarice | October 06, 2008 at 04:58 PM
Angellight: I pity you.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 06, 2008 at 04:58 PM
angel, honey WTF is bob cesca? And why should I care about his rants?
Posted by: clarice | October 06, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Gad, my post would come right after Angelflight's.
I've just been so worried. I hope you all know I am 100% for the Republican ticket, not some wicked creep like the toad. That's it, isn't it? A toad.
Oh, no, say it isn't so, Jo, it's troll! Not toad.
Posted by: joan | October 06, 2008 at 05:01 PM
The hilarious thing is they accused Bush supporters of being cultists. Remember? Clarice was our goddess.
Yet they can get 93,000 people to call over the tiniest slight, and it doesn't frighten them one bit.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Heh . . . angellight cut the second line from the article: "Posted by JumpyPants" . . . can't make this stuff up.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | October 06, 2008 at 05:01 PM
she is, in fact, an agent of the very devilish functions
LOL! I'm going to need more popcorn. My grandmother used to listen to this stuff next to a radio at night. Only the shadow knows!
writhing and twisting of a wretched beast brought low by his own bestiality
You can't make writing like this up. Someone actually writes this stuff! LOL! I'm a sucker for campy stuff.
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 06, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Clarice: You know what is really pathetic. These same trolls and nitwits will be the first to go when the Obama purge and re-education begins. They have no idea what it means to live under a totalitarian government controlled by an elite few.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 06, 2008 at 05:02 PM
It's Over for McCain
Amazing how our fallen angel has reappeared just as this came out.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 05:02 PM
You are right, Clarice. I am sorry for my moment of doubt. I've just been worried. I made a vow not to read or listen to anything negative -- but it's almost impossible.
Posted by: joan | October 06, 2008 at 05:02 PM
The only change I would have made to McCain's speech is that he would have named Will, Good and Doodad what's his face.
I find it pretty compelling that McCain has put everything online, and Obama won't return phone calls.
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 05:03 PM
WTF is bob cesca?
Welcome to the dark side, clarice. You've progressed from the faux dainty usage of 'carp' straight to the 'F' bomb.
There's hope for you yet, dear.
Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Nice head game on who is O really? O has to wonder what McCain has and when he's going to drop it.
Posted by: clarice | October 06, 2008 at 04:52 PM
I am guessing tape or video of Ayers and Obama during that "Intelectuals in a time of crisis" panel from 2002... I have a feeling they agreed on a lot of things at that forum.
Posted by: Ranger | October 06, 2008 at 05:05 PM
Oh, yes, I forgot. I didn't even read Anglefight's post. I started it and saw what and who it was and stopped. Just was horrified my post was close to his. Yuk. Gak.
Need a shower.
Posted by: joan | October 06, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Sheesh I just had a fire in my office. Small, electrical, I put it out with salt.
Cute firemen, but that's scary.
Posted by: Jane | October 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I find it pretty compelling that McCain has put everything online
Great! I'd like to find out how much money he got from Charles Keating corrected for inflation (ie, in 2008 dollars.) I'm sure Mr. Mavericky Truthy Honesty has it on the front page of his website, right?
Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:10 PM
GREAT speech by McCain!!
Posted by: granny | October 06, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Jane: Re fire. Baking soda is good for a small fire too.
When my daughter was a Brownie in second grade, her troop decorated small cans and filled them with baking soda (for small grease fires in the kitchen) to give to the moms for Mother's Day. (I still have it.)
Posted by: joan | October 06, 2008 at 05:13 PM
The only change I would have made to McCain's speech is that he would have named Will, Good and Doodad what's his face.
There's only so much you can do in a day.
But there are a lot of things coming out just today: the RNC filing complaints, the WSJ bringing out an editorial saying "show us the names", and (wait for this one) people starting to write about the "friends of Obama" who have gotten some pretty significant goodies by government action.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 05:14 PM
Great! I'd like to find out how much money he got from Charles Keating corrected for inflation (ie, in 2008 dollars.) I'm sure Mr. Mavericky Truthy Honesty has it on the front page of his website, right?
Oh, I'll be looking forward to that one too, since it turns out the outcome was "Cranston: reprimanded; Riegle and DeConcini: criticized for acting improperly; Glenn and McCain: cleared of impropriety."
Especially since Riegle and DeConcini have been vocal Obama supporters.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 05:17 PM
. . . the 'F' bomb.
"WTF" is the "F-bomb"? You need to get out more.
I'd like to find out how much money he got from Charles Keating . . .
Is that weak tu quoque really the best you can do? Wikipedia is actually pretty good on this one:
Bottom line is that it was the "Keating Three" . . . but as they were all Democrats, we couldn't have that, now could we? And the Dems still try to blame that one on the GOP as well. But ya'alls grip on the narrative is slipping.Posted by: Cecil Turner | October 06, 2008 at 05:17 PM
I dunno, aardy. After about the seventh clunker from you, they get old.
Could you maybe start aping this Bob Cesca's style? Because I could live off that stuff. Bookmark him, go there daily for a month or two and then start slingin' the stuff around. Maybe sockpuppet for him.
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 06, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Sheesh I just had a fire in my office.
Yeah, that's the downside of making junior partner at Lucifer, Satan, and Nick. But you worked hard to get to where you are.
Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:19 PM
Wow. Astrobuttsniffers have sensed a disturbance in the force. Ayers and FMFM are bad for Bambi.
McCain finally connecting the FMFM dots to Bambi, and Pitbull Palin is connecting the Ayers dots.
This is what McCain needs to put in his next ad - Verbatim I might add - Team McCain needs to equate Bambi's experiences with Main Street. They need to hit it this hard:
Stealing from NRO:
"Obama Doesn't Pass the Mainstream Smell Test [Peter Kirsanow]
As Mark Levin notes below, Obama presents himself as mainstream. I suspect that almost every
CorneriteAMERICAN could make each of the following statements:My career was not launched with the assistance of an unrepentant terrorist.
My pastor has never said "God damn America."
I don't think our troops are "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."
My spouse doesn't think America is a "downright mean country."
I've never sat on a board with an unrepentant terrorist.
I've never directed millions of dollars to radical organizations.
I've never opposed requiring medical care for babies who are born alive.
I bought my home without assistance from a convicted felon.
I've never taken my kids to a church whose pastor thinks AIDS was created by the government.
If Obama's mainstream, most Americans are extremists.
Posted by: Enlightened | October 06, 2008 at 05:23 PM
but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
So there we have it; documented, authenticated proof that McCain's judgment sucks. Isn't that what Obama's been saying all along?
And here's the 'money' quote, as it were...
Charlie Keating, his family and associates donated over $100,000 for my first campaign, and for each of the two that followed. That was a hell of a lot of money in those days.... Supporters like Charlie were not easy to come by for a first-time candidate, and I made damn sure that he knew how much I appreciated his support.
More important, I became friends with Charlie, his family, and many of the top executives and employees of his company. [pp. 59]
He also loved him some Keating-grade entertainment
He was as close to the archetype of the high-flying eighties chief executive as anyone I had encountered, and he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around.
On several occasions, he invited Cindy and me to his beautiful vacation retreat at Cat Cay in the Bahamas, flying us there, with our infant daughter, Meghan, and her nanny, on his private jet....
He entertained us lavishly, as was his style. We would all crowd on his yacht, off for a day of swimming and snorkeling, and then return for another extravagant party with the best wine, food, and entertainment available...
I would be lying if I were to deny... just how eagerly I awaited invitations to Charlie Keating's Shangri-la. [pp. 60]
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Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Yeah, that's the downside of making junior partner at Lucifer, Satan, and Nick.
To quote clarice, WTF?
Aardy, why don't you go stick your tongue in an ass...oh sorry I meant anthole.
Posted by: Barney Frank | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
junior partner at Lucifer, Satan, and Nick.
A start, aardy, a start. But you're no Bob Cesca yet. How does a troll get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice, practice!
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
moron
Posted by: Barney Frank | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
fixed?
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Aardy, that is.
Posted by: Barney Frank | October 06, 2008 at 05:26 PM
fixed?
Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Get him Johnny.
It's about time some responsible adult outed the lying little creep.
At this point, I don't care if Mccain wins or not. The American people have been warned. If a majority wants to continue like lambs to the slaughter, let them go. The country has seen worse, and the good guys will be there to pick up the pieces.
Posted by: Verner | October 06, 2008 at 05:27 PM
"WTF is bob cesca?!
Perfectly straightforward Who's This Fellow bob cesca?
Only a depraved mind like aardvark would think otherwise.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 06, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Great! I'd like to find out how much money
heBambi got fromCharles KeatingFannie Mae and Freddie Mac corrected forinflation (ie, in 2008 dollars.)unreported donations. I'm sure Mr.Mavericky Truthy HonestyChangey and Hopeyness has it on the front page of his website, right?Posted by: Enlightened | October 06, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Yeah, that's the downside of making junior partner at Lucifer, Satan, and Nick. But you worked hard to get to where you are.
I love liberals. They are just so easy to sue.
Posted by: Jane | October 06, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Watching the cable news Obama seems to be falling back on his old saw that McCain is trying to distract America with irrelevant attacks. Given that the documentary the axelrodents released today is not about economic policy, I proclaim today to be the day* Obama declared his campaign a distraction.
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*I have a vague recollection that this may be the second or third day he has made such a declaration, but I can't check VIMH archives at the moment.
Posted by: Elliott | October 06, 2008 at 05:31 PM
FWIW
1. I read somewhere recently that at the time Obama went to Pakistan it was illegal for a US citizen to travel to that country. If it is true that it was illegal, how did Obama go there?
2. I also read that Obama was very friendly with PLO Arafat’s Press spokesperson while the PLO was considered a terrorist organization. That individual, praised effusively by Obama at a going away party, is a currently professor at Columbia University and was connected to Ayers.
Posted by: Luc | October 06, 2008 at 05:34 PM
So there we have it; documented, authenticated proof that McCain's judgment sucks. Isn't that what Obama's been saying all along?
Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Well, that argument might have some power if Barry handn't also copped to making that "Boneheaded" mistake of asking Rezko to help him buy his very nice house.
Now, what is the explanation for Ayers and Wright?
And, by the way, why is Barry so eager to help the "middle class" when he disavowed "middleclassness" for 20 years at TUCC?
Posted by: Ranger | October 06, 2008 at 05:34 PM
via Calderone at Politico, another thing to fear
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Oh McCain will love it to make an issue of the Keating Five. He has spent the last 20 years or so making sure that never again would he be part of any kind of situation where he could be tainted, even by implication. He has angered his own party with his single-mindedness about keeping financial influence out of politics. And, he has the lead "prosecutor" Bennett saying that McCain should never have even been included in the Keating affair in the first place, that it was all a political move to give the dems. cover.
And let's not forget that John Glenn is campaigning for Obama and the others have endorsed him.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 06, 2008 at 05:36 PM
And remember, all those fun times with Keating happened long before McCain knew Keating was under invetigation. Obama asked Rezko for help with the house after he found out Rezko was being investigated by the FBI.
Posted by: Ranger | October 06, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Are the 80's fair game, now?
Posted by: MayBee | October 06, 2008 at 05:39 PM
Cool. 2 of the Blue Angels just buzzed our building over here by the SF Airport. Fleet Week is coming up and they must be doing some practice runs. The way my office window is situated it looked like they were aiming straight at my window and then 500 feet in front of us they make a sharp blistering right turn. Loud! Holy Carp.
One of most favorite things to do is go to Scomas at the SF waterfront, have a killer lunch, some divine martinis, and watch the Blue Angels screaming over the bay.
Sorry no room for Bambi's at the bar. ;o]
Posted by: Enlightened | October 06, 2008 at 05:39 PM
The Axelturds are still betting .000.
Not one example of any accomplishment by Hussein Obama in his entire life is ever presented. I know he's a worthless Chicago hack pol but surely the Axelturds have something positive to say about him. "He doesn't stink as badly as most people think." would be a start. A lie, to be sure, but you have to start somewhere.
I note that Sarah remarked upon Obama's close association with Pastor Jeremiah 'God Damn America' Wright yesterday.
Will they save his very tight relationship with convicted felon Tony Rezko for the final debate or will McCain hit him with it a few times tomorrow night?
Posted by: Rick Ballard | October 06, 2008 at 05:41 PM
MayBee: Stay tuned. As soon as we have a new congress and a new president, we will have a new shield law."
Shield Law? They have the first ammendment.
Funny, they didn't support a shiled law during the Libby trial, now did they?
Just proves once and for all--they are each and every one of them, in such slumsy, obvious ways totally in the tank for the democrats and Obama.
JOURNALISM IS DEAD.
Posted by: Verner | October 06, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Heh,
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 06, 2008 at 05:41 PM
...go to Scomas at the SF waterfront, have a killer lunch, some divine martinis, and watch the Blue Angels screaming over the bay.
A couple of years ago I saw them on a tall ship located in the middle of the Bay. That was great fun -- good food, drink and company, with the Angels overhead.
Posted by: DrJ | October 06, 2008 at 05:42 PM
"Jeff Bercovici, at the American Magazine Conference in San Francisco, reports that Nancy Pelosi's pledged to pass a shield law protecting journalists if the Democrats win."
Or as it is known a Liars License.
This should only be given if
the half aresd scribblersjournalists,take an oath to tell the truth and there is a standards review organisation and an ope complaints procedure.Otherwise Nancy With the Staring Eyes is bribing the MSM.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 06, 2008 at 05:43 PM