Douglas Daniel of the AP informs us that linking Obama to unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is subtle racist. His gist - forget about the fact that Bill Ayers is white; when folks think of terrorists today they think of suspicious looking dark-skinned people (not Timothy McVeigh).
Save this for the laugh track:
WASHINGTON (AP) - By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.
And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.
...
Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
Uh huh. And suggesting that Dukakis was out of touch was anti-Greek. Suggesting Kerry was an arrogant, out of touch aloof snob was, hmm, anti-French. Suggesting that Gore grew up in a Washington bubble and was out of touch was, help me here, anti-space alien? Is there anything about Mr. Bitterly Clinging Obama that spells "down home regular guy"? Of course not. And he and his supporters cite his colorful biography all the time. For that matter, when Obama is praised as giving America a chance to present a new face to the world, whatever do people mean? I always thought it was a reference to his race - am I wrong about this? Let's revisit the comedy classic from Andrew Sullivan:
What does [Obama] offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan. Such a re-branding is not trivial—it’s central to an effective war strategy. The war on Islamist terror, after all, is two-pronged: a function of both hard power and soft power. We have seen the potential of hard power in removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. We have also seen its inherent weaknesses in Iraq, and its profound limitations in winning a long war against radical Islam. The next president has to create a sophisticated and supple blend of soft and hard power to isolate the enemy, to fight where necessary, but also to create an ideological template that works to the West’s advantage over the long haul. There is simply no other candidate with the potential of Obama to do this. Which is where his face comes in.
I guess Obama is black if they say so, and I'm a racist if I mention that Bill Ayers is white. Got it.
And to remind America that Bill Ayer's Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army (BLA) were responsible for the murder of white and black men, including Waverly Brown.
Read About it Here.
Posted by: MeTooThen | October 05, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Has anyone else noticed that for months (years) Obama ran on his "judgment". Now that his "judgment" about his associates is being called into question, he says questioning his judgment is out of bounds.
Posted by: Jane | October 05, 2008 at 03:06 PM
I guess that means the AP is going to start running pictures of Ayers and Dohrn, with bios and history, so we all know just what kind of terrorists they are. Right?
The idiots see everything in terms of race. Maybe they will stem into this one.
But I'm not holding my breath.
"Barack Obama--the equal opportunity anti-American."
Posted by: BOATBUILDER | October 05, 2008 at 03:21 PM
step
Posted by: BOATBUILDER | October 05, 2008 at 03:21 PM
I wonde how Andrew feels about the black churches views on the homesexual lifestyle.
Posted by: davod | October 05, 2008 at 03:27 PM
I despise Douglas Daniel for the content of his character. I've never seen the man, though, so I don't know if that makes me racist.
Kind of a Schrödinger's Klan scenario.
Posted by: bgates | October 05, 2008 at 03:30 PM
The Left is so ridiculous -- didn't Obama tell us several weeks ago that 'he looks different.' Or was it 'I don't look like everybody else.' It might have been 'I'm not what you're used to looking at.'
Escapes me which one.
Posted by: joan | October 05, 2008 at 03:35 PM
I'm so old I remember when the media was sure every terrorist was a white fundamentalist. Who knew?
BTW per Steve Gilbert, the AP has changed the title and is scrubbing the old one everywhere they can find it. I suppose when you are laughed at around the world, it stings.
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Yes, Jane, now talking about his judgment is a distraction. People should be talking about the economy and how erratic McCain is.
Posted by: MayBee | October 05, 2008 at 03:43 PM
"didn't Obama tell us several weeks ago that 'he looks different.'"
I interpreted that to be a reference to the Dumbo ears capping a Skelotor physique terminating in ET hands and fingers.
What's being black got to do with anything?
Posted by: Rick Ballard | October 05, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Posted by: jpe | October 05, 2008 at 03:52 PM
"I interpreted that to be a reference to the Dumbo ears capping a Skelotor physique terminating in ET hands and fingers."
LOL, Rick, you are the best illustrator. Who needs Adobe when you are around?
Posted by: Ann | October 05, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Her comments were racist? Obama and his folks are insane. Totally insane. Does that make me a racist? No, just a discerning voter with enough sense to fear fraud from the Left.
Posted by: Alex | October 05, 2008 at 03:59 PM
"I can't help but read your comments against race, since they're so inane otherwise." ??
Might be worth remembering Obama had a white mother.How come she is airbrushed out of the equation,racism?
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 03:59 PM
why doesn't someone find the old Post Office/FBI "10 Most Wanted" posters of these two scumbirds and use that in a piece?
Posted by: matt | October 05, 2008 at 04:09 PM
PUK,
Non-blacks are always airbrushed out -- it is the modern equivalent on the "one drop" test. Tiger Woods, for example, has more Asian in him than black. Do you ever hear about that either?
Posted by: DrJ | October 05, 2008 at 04:13 PM
PeterUK,
It's simple math. Palin is half racist.
Posted by: Old Dad | October 05, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Just the media playing in David Axelrod's sandbox. He has used this racism charge so often in his campaigns it could make your head swim.
Ignore all polls. Garbage in=garbage out.
Posted by: bio mom | October 05, 2008 at 04:23 PM
William Charles Ayers - Friend of Obama Obomba and Obama.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Isn't Palin somewhat immune from charges like this due to the fact that she's married to someone who's part Eskimo? [reductio ad APum follows]
Posted by: How to defeat BHO | October 05, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Typical wingnut, even when trying to defend another racist wingnut you can't help but use racist slurs against a black man.
Posted by: TGO | October 05, 2008 at 04:39 PM
So, Rick, has he Marfan's like Honest Abe? Say ah.
===============================
Posted by: kim | October 05, 2008 at 04:39 PM
TM's thread above features a NYT piece on the failure of Fannie/Freddie. It contains this:
"“We didn’t really know what we were buying,” said Marc Gott, a former director in Fannie’s loan servicing department. “This system was designed for plain vanilla loans, and we were trying to push chocolate sundaes through the gears.”
Does anyone doubt that had OFHEO Director Falcon used those same words in the same context during the 2004 Banking Committee hearing we've seen so often lately, that the CBC would have demanded his resignation for his "racist" comments? If someone wants to find racism, he can see it in almost anything.
Posted by: DebinNC | October 05, 2008 at 04:40 PM
TGO, typical guilt ridden liberal, finding racism in everything. Listen, pal, part of the reason Obama bombs with bitter clingers is that most of them have already worked with lots of black people and understand that it is the nature of your character that counts.
====================================
Posted by: kim | October 05, 2008 at 04:43 PM
most of them have already worked with lots of black people and understand that it is the nature of your character that counts.
They've been in the 21st Century for years now and can tell Obama wants to take them back to the 20th. That dog just won't hunt.
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 05, 2008 at 04:48 PM
GLOP isn't typical guilt ridden liberal,GLOP simply needs a stick to beat you with.
Vote Obama and have the boot of political correctness grinding your face forever.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Playing the race card about this will not help in Eastern Ohio and 've Western Pennsylvania. It is like calling wolf to them. They've been bombarded with this kind of carp forever and are sick of it.
I say to AP, Axelrod, his minion TGO and the rest of them KEEP IT UP.
Posted by: Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet | October 05, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Palin is saying that Obama is DIFFERENT from the rest of us. Trying to say that he's a terrorist. Trying to make people remember all those bogus spam emails that said he was a muslim when he clearly was not.
I would say Palin is closer to being a terrorist, considering that her husband is a secessionist, considering she attended events hosted by a secessionist who "hates America".
I would say McCain is closer to being a terrorist than Obama, considering that he accepted money from G. Gorden Liddy, Watergate scandal crook who advocated the murder of Federal agents in 1990.
Posted by: The Nadir | October 05, 2008 at 04:51 PM
If there has to be just one reason that I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Mc/Palin- this article is it!/ please-sink further!
Posted by: pdbuttons | October 05, 2008 at 04:53 PM
you know, by liberal standards, Palin should be immune. She's married to an enrolled Native American and thus her children would be considered Native American by the miscenegenated standards of yesteryear.....today, it's a label of pride. That just shows how messed up the liberals are, I guess.
An empowered woman scorned by NOW; the wife of a Steelworker scorned by the unions; a corruption fighter scorned by Ralph Nader; an environmentalist scorned by the Sierra Club. How do these people look themselves in the mirror at night?
Posted by: matt | October 05, 2008 at 04:54 PM
The Nadir,
I can well see why you call yourself the Nadir.More bg sockpuppetry?
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 04:58 PM
Wake Up Folks! No We Can't!
He's Baaaaaaaack! And he's awesome!
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 04:58 PM
"How do these people look themselves in the mirror at night?"
With great admiration.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 04:59 PM
It's easy for Obama fans to counter "Ayers" with "Keating" or "Wright" with "Hagee". But have any of them attempted to justify how and where Chairman Obama's CAC spent the $160M, or have they explained why no positive results were seen? I haven't seen it.
Posted by: DebinNC | October 05, 2008 at 05:00 PM
why doesn't someone find the old Post Office/FBI "10 Most Wanted" posters of these two scumbirds and use that in a piece?
Start with this post at Doug Ross Journal.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 05:01 PM
If you haven't read this Michael Barone piece, you should:
Obama Needs to Explain His Ties to William Ayers
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Ann brought these letters to our attention. LUN
One of the letters is a request for cash from various groups to pay for operating expenses for the CAC as it is starting up. Nothing unusual in that.
But then things start to smell a bit.
My take on the remaining letters exchanged is that Obama was looking for "matching funds" from foundations in Chicago in order to secure the $49.2 million from Annenberg. The "matching funds" needed to fall within certain dates to be considered.
The off-putting part is that the funds were already granted to various groups for whatever purpose. They weren't going to "The Annenberg Way" of education reform because the CAC had not yet gotten off the ground to push "The Annenberg Way". It appears that foundation funds going to school reform groups were used as matching funds by the CAC regardless of how the money was spent.
Perhaps this is the way the foundation world works but it seems sleazy and more than a little dishonest.
Posted by: bad | October 05, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Sara: loved the wake-up folks link!
Posted by: centralcal | October 05, 2008 at 05:26 PM
The Barone article indeed is interesting. He claims that Ayers introduced Obama ("sent" him in the Chicago vernacular) and I've not seen that said so explicitly before. It is possible, but not really proven yet.
Posted by: DrJ | October 05, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Obama's down on us for dissing the socialist race. I'm racist. I hate socialists.
Posted by: Bill in AZ | October 05, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Maybe Barone is referring in part to the launch party at Ayers and Dohrn's house, Dr. J. People have been calling it a "fundraiser" as if it was one of many, no big deal. But it was Obama's political debut. These aren't generally casually arranged.
Posted by: Porchlight | October 05, 2008 at 05:47 PM
OBAMA CONTRIBUTIONS: THE RNC FINALLY BLINKS!, ATLAS GETS RESULTS! NEWSWEAK PLAGIARIZES ATLAS
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 05:57 PM
I always took the "party at Ayers'" as his coming-out party. Barone seems to imply a further mentoring relationship, at least to me. Could be. If no, is a single party all it really takes to break in with the right people? I'd be surprised.
Posted by: DrJ | October 05, 2008 at 05:59 PM
It's interesting that Obama when he spoke of his role in CAC sometime ago (See Gateway Pundit, I think for the video) says this was his executive experience and he handed out $50 million in Annenberg funds. The terms of the grant required a 2 :1 contribution from elsewhere and he seems to suggest they never had that--otherwise when bragging of his role, why not say $160K?
Odd..Early on Diamond caccounted for $110 m in the CAC acct..other times he and others say $160m..I say smoke and mirros..They got Annenberg only.
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM
McCain response to AP:
“The last four weeks of this election will be about whether the American people are willing to turn our economy and national security over to Barack Obama, a man with little record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers. Americans need to ask themselves if they’ve ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist, or had a convicted felon help them buy their house — because those aren’t smears, those are true facts about Barack Obama.” —Tucker Bounds, spokesman McCain-Palin 2008
Posted by: DebinNC | October 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM
In one of the debates Hillary also raised questions about Ayers' ties to Obama..
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 06:06 PM
Yo Barack, if Ayers isn't relevant, why then is your work with him what qualified you for the Senate?
Obama's Pals
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 06:06 PM
You are probably right, Clarice. It is likely that the other monies were from existing grants or programs. I don't know if this is standard practice or not, but the grants I put together for a University that required matches always used new monies. Maybe I just made my life more difficult than it had to be.
Posted by: DrJ | October 05, 2008 at 06:07 PM
I think it would be helpful if everyone changed their language from: 'William Ayers' to: 'Timothy McView wannabe William Ayers.'
More people would get the point if that phrase became the common language. Just because Ayers was more inept than McView does not make him a better person.
Posted by: jc | October 05, 2008 at 06:07 PM
As clarice said, here's Obama on video in 2000 during his failed campaign to unseat Bobby Rush:
"I've chaired major philanthropic efforts in the city like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that gave fifty million dollars to prompt school reform efforts throughout the city."
Why doesn't his campaign bio include that?
Posted by: DebinNC | October 05, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Do you mean McVeigh?
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 06:11 PM
'Do you mean McVeigh?'
Yes, asleep at the typo switch. Sorry.
Posted by: jc | October 05, 2008 at 06:23 PM
ATTENTION - ATTENTION
This is for Hit:
Sarah will be in Greenville, NC on Tuesday. The details of where and what time are here.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 06:29 PM
I did some laundry, got a pot roast cooking, and I haven't kept up with the comments, so please do excuse me for changing subjects a minute.
Back to Sara's link to the young man (rapper?) - I can't get his remarks out of my mind. I think he really has nailed so much of what has happened to Blacks who have been/are imprisoned and indoctrinated into liberalism. I think his video could even be broken up into topical segments and should be spread throughout the conservative blogosphere far and wide.
It struck me very much like Sarah Palin talking to the folks in language they understand. This young man talking to his folks in language they undestand (and that we can understand too).
Anyway - as you were. I apoligize, but I really am impressed with what he said and how he said it.
Posted by: centralcal | October 05, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Communist Party Interview with Bill Ayers
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 06:33 PM
Clarice
If the situation was indeed Annenberg only funds, then Obama has a couple of problems:
1. He failed at raising the 2:1 matching funds required by the terms of the Annenberg Grant. Not a stellar leadership experience.
2. If he failed at raising the required matching funds, how did he get the $49.2 million from Annenberg? What was offered as certification?
Posted by: bad | October 05, 2008 at 06:35 PM
There is absolutely no truth in the scurrilous rumour that Barrack Hussein Obama and William Charles Ayers were fooling around.None whatsoever.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 06:40 PM
A key point about Ayers that everyone seems to overlook is that its not just the terrorism that Ayers is emblematic of, it is also the coruption in Chicago. Ayers was where he was because his dad was a close friend of Da Mayor. If Ayers had been a run of the mill 60s radical, he never would have been accepted back into Chicago society. Dad's money and political connections bought his son and his daughter in law advanced degrees and cushy academic jobs. The relationship with Ayers is not just about comfort with unrepentant terrorists, it is about comfort with a corupt system in Chicago.
Posted by: Ranger | October 05, 2008 at 06:42 PM
No, but I read somewhere they swapped wives.
:)
Posted by: DrJ | October 05, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Yes, Ranger.
I know Bad, but I expect academic grants are as honestly run as Byzantine satrapies.
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Centralcal:
Yes. Very powerful stuff that should be broadcast twice a day on BET.
All:
Besides the Ayres linkage, CAC is important because Obamessiah's efforts didn't actually do anything for the schools in his district.
He bangs away on how he's going to improve education. I should think the actual performance of CAC and Obamessiah would be a powerful lesson the Republicans would want to get out.
OT...
Went out to Monticello today for the first time. I highly recommend it.
Today must have been Obamabot "Wear Your Party Pin" day. Place was crawling with Obots wearing little nickel-sized pins with a posterized Dear Leader on them. Many Volvos and V-Dubs with stickers.
I put my ear to the ground and could faintly hear Mr. Jefferson, twirling away...
Posted by: Barry | October 05, 2008 at 06:46 PM
It does not matter what we know him to be...(60's radical, Chicago corrupt, smooth talking semi-black idiot who hates America)..
It's too late! The educational system has dumbed down enough of the young people to the point that Obama wins by default. Teach no history, no government, and spanglish, and you have your result.
When you get the idiotic worshiping of him as they are doing, you know the end has arrived.
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 06:47 PM
Is there anything about Mr. Bitterly Clinging Obama that spells "down home regular guy"? Of course not. And he and his supporters cite his colorful biography all the time.
Typical wingnut, even when trying to defend another racist wingnut.
Note to TM: proper usage is "homies" and "biographies of color"
Posted by: StrawmanCometh | October 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Ken Rolling, running interference with the CAC files and the U of I library, continues to intrique me. How close is he to Obama to be so involved? And what was he trying to hide?
Posted by: bad | October 05, 2008 at 06:50 PM
Keep those Rose colored glasses your wearing...you will need them with the changes that are coming.
And please keep your PC idiocy to yourself!
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 06:56 PM
Keep those Rose colored glasses your wearing...you will need them with the changes that are coming.
And please keep your PC idiocy to yourself!
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 06:56 PM
Sorry,, that was directed to StrawmanCometh..
and don't understand why that double-posted...
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 06:58 PM
"No, but I read somewhere they swapped wives."
And both of them lost on the deal - but they still did better than the wives.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | October 05, 2008 at 06:59 PM
"Note to TM: proper usage is "homies" and "biographies of color""
What a mendacious wazzock.
Posted by: PeterUK | October 05, 2008 at 06:59 PM
POLL: Troops backing McCain 68-23%...
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | October 05, 2008 at 07:00 PM
Hey, bad, Steve's over in the Dusty Yard.
=========================
Posted by: kim | October 05, 2008 at 07:03 PM
Went out to Monticello today for the first time. I highly recommend it.
Barry, here in Charlottesville, we also have The Lawn, Jefferson's masterpiece. A fine and unique work of architecture, it beats even Monticello. If you're still in town, try to go see it.
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 05, 2008 at 07:07 PM
The Numbers Game.
Cooking the polls.
Posted by: M. Simon | October 05, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Jim Ryan:
That was my evil twin Barry. I was the one who went to Monticello.
Shut up Barry. Mother always liked me best.
Posted by: Soylent Red | October 05, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Heh. Well, Barry, go see The Lawn so you can lord it over Red.
Posted by: Jim Ryan | October 05, 2008 at 07:14 PM
POLL: Troops backing McCain 68-23%...
But will they get to vote?
See also LUN
Posted by: jimmyk | October 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Actually, I'm shocked that 23% of the troops support Obama! I question the poll...
The ability to get their vote counted is in question though...
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 07:35 PM
The Numbers Game.
Cooking the polls.
M. Simon, great post and thank you for the mention.
Wanted to bring up one more thing re: poll cooking. On this Hot Air comment thread (scroll down toward the end), two separate commenters report being called by pollsters who then either hung up or failed to complete all the questions once the person stated their support for McCain.
So potentially the polls are cooked on the front end, as well - not just massaged afterwards.
Posted by: Porchlight | October 05, 2008 at 07:49 PM
That might have been Adams you heard, spinning in Quincy.
=================================
Posted by: kim | October 05, 2008 at 07:51 PM
I think it would be helpful if everyone changed their language from: 'William Ayers' to: 'Timothy McVie[gh] wannabe William Ayers.'
Excellent, jc. I've been thinking about a better way to express this than "unrepentant domestic terrorist," and I think you've nailed it.
Posted by: Extraneus | October 05, 2008 at 07:58 PM
I'm shocked that 23% of the troops support Obama!
The article suggested that among blacks Obama was getting 80%. Quite a bit lower than in the civilian population but still high. But of course, whites who vote for McCain are presumed to be the racists.
Posted by: jimmyk | October 05, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Tim McVeigh wanna be Bill Ayers.....
word!
Posted by: BobS | October 05, 2008 at 08:10 PM
Bunches of Obama dweebs were in kindergarten when McVeigh blew the bomb. They won't care. Older lefties? They won't listen.
But try it against a test group.
Posted by: sbw | October 05, 2008 at 08:32 PM
Obama is Andrew Sullivan's love child.
Posted by: M. Simon | October 05, 2008 at 08:34 PM
"Bunches of Obama dweebs were in kindergarten when McVeigh blew the bomb. They won't care."
OK. When speaking to them, I suggest: "Bin Laden wannabe William Ayers."
It is important that the language convey the real intent of the perp.
Posted by: jc | October 05, 2008 at 08:39 PM
The sad thing is these people crying racist at every turn seem serious.
Posted by: Pofarmer | October 05, 2008 at 09:16 PM
What does [Obama] offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan.
I think this is Excitable Andy's favorite tune from "The Producer." And as for "soft power," well, that's Andy before his daily dose of Cialis:
THAT FACE
The urge to merge can rob us of our senses
The need to breed can make a man a drone
We must be on alert with our defenses
For every skirt will test testosterone
So knowing this I severed all connection
With any creature sporting silk or lace
I was firmly headed in the right direction
When suddenly I stumbled on that face
That face, that face
That dangerous face
I mustn't be unwise
Those lips, that nose, those eyes
Could lead to my demise
That face, that face
That marvelous face
I never should begin
Those cheeks, that neck, that chin
Will surely do me in
I must be smart
And hide my heart
If she's within a mile
If I don't duck
I'm out of luck
She'd kill me with her smile
That face, that face
That fabulous face
It's clear I must beware
I'm certain if I fall in love
I'm lost without a trace
But it's worth it...
For that face
ULLA:
That face, that face
That lovable face
It melts my Swedish heart
LEO:
I'm certain if I fall in love
I'm lost without a trace...
LEO & ULLA:
But it's worth it for...
That face
Posted by: MarkJ | October 05, 2008 at 09:19 PM
As I've pointed out before, it was Ayer's ineptness; more likely the poor bomb making skills of Diana Oughton and Terry Gold. that saved the Weathermen from the fate of the SLA; for much less agregious incidents. Ayer's family collections and his numerous
sympathizers in Academia allowed him to follow the Granscian route to influence.
This whole stream of conversation seems like it was lifted out of some of McCarry's
then near future (now prophetic) tales of
the "Better Angels" and more importantly
"Shelly' Heart: which suggested the long standing influence of 'tenured radicals'
in American politics. The rages against Bush, then McCain and now Palin, suggest
the near total opprobium directed at the
Right populist Mallory, the displaced sympathy for nihilist Islamists (the Eye of Gaza then, AQ now)the contempt against the
intelligence community and the simultaneous
self sabotage of the administration's foreign policies. Something "Ishmael Jones" doesn't fully concur with, but does broadly hint at.
Posted by: narciso | October 05, 2008 at 09:29 PM
Narciso, have you any idea who Ishmael Jones is?
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 09:33 PM
If you have any negative thoughts towards Obama, you are a racist. But don't worry, the Lightbearer's re-education camps will put you back in his good stead.
Posted by: Kevin A. | October 05, 2008 at 09:34 PM
I reas through his book, which interestingly
you can't find at any public library in the area; and I saw that Greg Gutfeld has known him for some time(according to a rebroadcast
Red Eye interview) He seems to embody the same propensity for proactive intelligence as has been pointed out in fictional form by John Weisman; which is in sharp contrast to the VIPser lobby of Cannistraro, Johnson,
Marcinkowski, McGovern and now seemingly Bob Baer. The Hayden regime, is like William Colby preserved in aspic, complete with the unnatural urgency to revisit the
"Horrors" of the early 60s (mKULTRA, the assasination plans, et al)The management team of Sulick, who presided over disasters in the Belgrade arena; Kappes with the matter in Frankfurt in 1988; doesn't inspire
confidence. from my narrow vantage point.
The fixed intel shop at DNI; Finger, Van Dieppen et al, seems intent on totally undermining our strategies at every front.
Posted by: narciso | October 05, 2008 at 09:56 PM
So potentially the polls are cooked on the front end, as well - not just massaged afterwards.
It's hard to believe that all these pollsters care so little about their professional reputations that they would cook the results, but on the other hand, there's no accountability until the election. So I would expect them to be a bit more careful in the week prior to the election--at least the independent ones aren't going to want to be so obviously wrong. That also happens to be when things turned toward Bush in 2004, as I recall.
Posted by: jimmyk | October 05, 2008 at 09:58 PM
Heck, any friend of Gutfeld has to be good. Wish I could make contact with him.
I still have mucho questions about the preposterous behavior of the Agency in the Plame fiasco.
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Hmm Narciso, the only thing I can find linking Gutfeld and Jones is obviously relating to another Jones--some naked dancing guy with a bandana on his face and a middle name which I've forgotten.
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Just saw Hannity's America....WOW, just WOW.
I can't believe that anybody with half a brain would vote for Barry after seeing that.
Posted by: Verner | October 05, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Verner, I'm sorry I missed it. What most struck you as persuasive?
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Verner,
It gave me the creeps. Did it you?
Posted by: Jane | October 05, 2008 at 10:11 PM
What was your impression, Jane--that Obama was more closely linked to this guy than you'd imagined?
Posted by: clarice | October 05, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Verner,
Yes, I also watched that and agree with you. It is inconceivable that Obama could be elected! Nicely detailed earlier life and his connections with unsavory people.
Unfortunately, not enough people will see this and remain ignorant (After all, CNN and others will never discuss the show).
jimmyk,
The pollsters only have to be semi-accurate during the final 2 weeks or so to become soothsayers for the media. That is unfortunately the only reputation that they rely on...(MSM acceptance - at the end..)...
Posted by: Deagle | October 05, 2008 at 10:17 PM
The whole thing Clarice. Stanley Kurtz, Daniel Pipes, Andy Martin, John Fund--they were all on the program.
Nothing new to any of us, but just seeing the entire picture put together in TV format was very powerful.
I don't see how anyone could watch it and not see what a complete liar Obama is about who he is.
And Hannity didn't even touch Rezko.
Every single important political and intellectual influence in Obama's life is an out and out hate america anti-semite marxist.
Most Americans wouldn't even waste their spit on those people--he embraced them.
And let me tell you--if I were in the Israeli government, I would be preparing to bomb Iran before Jan 20 if he gets elected.I don't care what he says. Obama hates Israel--no matter what he's saying to get elected.
Posted by: Verner | October 05, 2008 at 10:18 PM