Sunday Speculation

With the election a week from Tuesday, let's have an Eerie Prescience Challenge - predict for us Obama's share of the popular vote and the closing level of the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Tuesday Nov. 4.

Since the Dow has a much wider likely range than Obama's vote share, the final score will be calculated as the sum of two absolute values, namely, Obama's actual share less predicted share times 300 plus the difference in actual and predicted Dow.

FWIW, the Dow closed Friday at 8379.

My gueses: Obama 51, Dow 9000.

ERRATA:  For folks who want to overthink this: the VIX is at 80% for annual volatility; for a one week period, that implies a 22% range for the Dow - yike.  (22 = 2* 80/Sqr Root 52 - roughly).

SINCE YOU ASK:  Eventually, the Dow closed at 9625 on Tues, Nov 4, boosted by a no-news rally of nearly 900 points on Oct. 28.

Obama garnered 52.9% of the popular vote.

Comments

[kim jane il]

Previously posted by clarice re the 45k crowd in Albuquerque:

Which band played there, kmji? I forgot..Some big name. Offer a free concert and they will come, won't they?
What are you aiming for an MTV govt?

Here's the 'big name' clarice was referring to:

Albuquerque rally of 45,000 was actually a Santana concert!

"Well,,I though you guys might like the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey says. Obama's (Peace be upon him)event was held in the center of the University village. And the press keeps forgetting one little detail, it was a free concert featuring Carlos Santana. For my freeper friends across the country, he's still a massive celebrity out here with the Latino community. The crowd thinned *quickly* after the show. They werent waiting around for "the one"."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2115708/posts

Except now, the post has been removed, and all you see is this:

This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 10/26/2008 1:47:55 PM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:

Poster’s request.

Okay

But now clarice disingenuously represents that she was not, in fact, referring to the Carlos Santana rumor but some other unidentified internet rumor regarding 'some big name' playing at exactly the same time and place that Carlos was rumored to have played.

So it appears that this is as yet unresolved, and we eagerly await a link from clarice documenting this additional hoax.

[clarice]

"But now clarice disingenuously represents that she was not, in fact, referring to the Carlos Santana rumor but some other unidentified internet rumor regarding 'some big name' playing at exactly the same time and place that Carlos was rumored to have played."

Again--I said I'd heard a rumor of a big band there. I noted that that was often the case with the big O turn out events though the press hadn't said so most of the time. I never said who because I didn't remember ever seeing a name.
I now have given you a snip from a press account of the event which does confirm there was musical entertainment though no name is mentioned of the talent.

The only disingenuous thing is your suggesting I was referring to Santana when I have never mentioned his name and had no specific recollection then or now of where I'd heard there was a musical program at the event.

[Jane Plumber]

This one is apparently mild-mannered Axelrod employee. Prolly $8/hr for it. Grad student in English or something.

Well she can't get a date since she shows up like clockwork here every weekend.

[Lori]

Extraneous-last week on Fox, Krauthammer and that Easton woman were arguing about the reason for the contempt for Palin. This is what Krauthammer said about feminists:

"And they look at her as sort of a backwater hick, who, for religious reasons, went ahead and had a child that they would never have.

Underneath it, I think, deep underneath it, I think it's a self-loathing on the part of these feminists, knowing that what she did is virtuous and a generous act that they would have never have undertaken. And her having undertaken it is an affront to them, a silent rebuke."

Needless to say, Easton was unable to respond.

[kim jane il]

Well she can't get a date since she shows up like clockwork here every weekend.

Not everyone has the flexibility of scheduling their dates in half hour increments like you do, Jane.

[cathyf]

I offer the following story... Back in the day that the dow was at about 1200 or so, my boss (chief quant) made a bet with the partners that it would see 1000 before it saw 2000. Well, when it got to about nineteen-ninety-something and it was obvious that he was going to lose the bet, the partners made clear that they wanted a hundred-dollar bill as payoff, not a check, not some motley collection of wrinkled small bills. Because they were going to frame it. My boss declared that if they were going to frame it, then they needed a quote: "If I knew which way the market was going to go, I wouldn't be working for these clowns!"

[Jane Plumber]

Underneath it, I think, deep underneath it, I think it's a self-loathing on the part of these feminists, knowing that what she did is virtuous and a generous act that they would have never have undertaken. And her having undertaken it is an affront to them, a silent rebuke."

They just aren't real feminists. They are abortion advocates. Nothing more. Don't confuse the two.

[Lori]

Jane-Krauthammer said "these feminists" and meant the ones who hate Palin. I didn't realize when I posted that the quote was slightly out of context. Sorry

[bad]

seman, I'd take a half-hour with Jane if I had the chance. She is fascinating.

[Mustang0302]

kji -

Guess what you can go do with your flexibility?

No?

Still "inadequate" for the purpose, huh?

Leave the ladies alone, "Marine Mom."

[kim jane il]

had no specific recollection then or now of where I'd heard there was a musical program at the event.

Ahhhh, clarice... you certainly do have quite the sense of humor.

[clarice]

But Jane has a good point, too. Very early on the feminist groups were captured by people who actually did look down on ordinary women and advanced instead very extreme pro-abortion views (nothing not even parental consent may be used to limit abortions) and leftist economics. They gave the game away during the Clinton scandals if one was paying attention, but have utterly lost it this year in their vicious attacks on Palin,losing the support of the very women they need to survive as a political force to be reckoned with.There simply are more non-elite non-coastal women who are married with children than there are Gloria Steinems.

[boris]

but clarice attributed the crowd to an appearance by Carlos Santana

Since that never happened the troll from Assclowinstan a proven liar.

[kim jane il]

seman, I'd take a half-hour with Jane

And who among us would ever attempt to stand in the way of true love? Especially one constrained by such limited temporal and monetary considerations.

[John Zogby]

There is a direct correlation between the nervousness in the Obama camp and the number of Kim Jane Il posts.

[Mustang0302]

boris -

Ouch. She'll wear extra pancake for a week to cover that mouse.

[boris]

I'd take a half-hour with Jane

You bet. Jane is just a lovable person. Trolls ... not so much.

[Mustang0302]

All -

Not to excuse her poor manners today, but kji's upset.

Her "initial" namesake's been "ill", Ahmadinejad's falling apart, Assad's had his "sovereignty" treated like kji's self-respect, and BHO's bluff is getting called.

Oh, and her son probably hasn't written in awhile.

Rough day week month in kji's world.

[kim jane il]

the troll from Assclowinstan a proven liar.

Say boris, something's stirring in your garage. I think the flunitrazepam is wearing off, so you better get your drill and go tend to business.

[PD]

The feminists who hate Palin are those who insisted on being able to succeed on their own terms, not the terms set for them by men.

They now hate Palin because she succeeded on *her* own terms, not theirs. They'll never forgive her for being liberated ... from them.

[Jane Plumber]

I'm very particular about who gets my half hours. KJI is not on the preferred list.

[boris]

Say boris, ...

If you don't like being a proven liar then don't lie. Ooops ... too late. Sux.

[kim jane il]

Former Sen. Larry Pressler (R-S.D.), who was the first Vietnam veteran to serve in the United States Senate, is the latest Republican to back Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign, Politico learned Sunday.

Pressler, who said that in addition to casting an absentee ballot for Obama he'd donated $500 to the Illinois senator's campaign, cited the Democrat's response to the financial crisis as the primary reason for his decision.

"I just got the feeling that Obama will be able to handle this financial crisis better, and I like his financial team of [former Treasury Secretary Robert] Rubin and [former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul] Volcker better," he said. By contrast, John McCain's "handling of the financial crisis made me feel nervous."

link

[boris]

Obamunism ... A negative plus a negative equals a positive !!!

Assclownism ... No mate plus no childrem equals imaginary offspring !!!

[bad]

Senator Pressler has taught or lectured at the following universities: The Harvard Law School; Harvard Kennedy School of Government; Oxford University (England); University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA); Georgetown; The George Washington University; The U.S. Naval Academy; The Oglala Sioux Sinte Gleska University; University of South Dakota, Creighton; St. John's University, Queens NY,

The dude is from academia. Color me surprised he is supporting Hobama.

LUN

[clarice]

Why do I fell Kimchee is playing Tokyo Rose here?

[Mustang0302]

A new topic, kji?

How very...evasive...of you.

Slicker than snot on a doorknob.

[Mustang0302]

"Tokyo Rose" - Iva Toguri.

"Kimchee" - Iva Smallnsoftone.

[Mustang0302]

And of course, both claimed to have a U.S. Marine's best interests at heart.

[PD]

"I just got the feeling that Obama will be able to handle this financial crisis better..."

This is what passes for analysis by former Senators?

[Sue]

We can thank Obama for one thing anyway. We can now identify those "republicans" that aren't really republicans. No true republican could vote for a tax and spend democrat who is on record willing to "spread the wealth" around.

[clarice]

Just because---I looked up Tokyo Rose...boy, did we mistreat her. She sounds like a really fine person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Ikuko_Toguri

[largebill]

Obama 45.5
DOW: 8976

[Sue]

If McCain does lose, I wonder if he will be different when he goes back to the senate? Less "mavericky" with republicans and more a republican? Or will he move further to the left? Will he still love reaching across the aisle and how will he view the media that beat the bloody hell out of him?

[bad]

McCain must have voted against a Pressler project at some point. I wonder what the history is there.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

kimji, since you're making such a point about Clarice saying it was a Santana concert, perhaps you'd be so kind as to post a link to the post in which she did so?

And yes, you can expect, again, to be asked this question every couple hours for the next week until you either apologize or change your moniker and try to live it down.

Again.

[clarice]

Here is the audio of a 2001 Obama interview in which he explains why we need redistributive justice --it should prove an interesting test of his economic views and his views on the constitution and how it should be interpreted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

[kim jane il]

While some Republicans said they still had hope that Mr. McCain could pull this out, there were signs of growing concern that Mr. McCain and the party were heading for a big defeat that could leave the party weakened for years.

“Any serious Republican has to ask, ‘How did we get into this mess?’ ” Newt Gingrich, the former Republican house speaker, said in an interview. “It’s not where we should be, and it’s not where we had to be. This was not bad luck.”

link

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Yeah, I know a lot of old Issei and Nissei folks who were treated really badly --- but Toguri really did get the shaft.

I blame Bush.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

So, Kimji, where's my link?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Also, how is it that Gingrich is suddenly the Sage of Athens, when he's been anathema for so long?

[clarice]

Kimchee, I am besides myself with worry and grief. You've succeeded in your mission. Now you are free to carry your essage of gloom and dooom to others harboring the hope that The One might not be The One this time around. (You'll be happy to learn that FT has endorsed him which comes as no surprise to those who've watched its descent into madness.)

[bad]

The redistributive wealth interview was fascinating.

Couldn't help but notice Hobama struggled with pronunciation of the word "redistributive."

[clarice]

Instapundit:"SIX ALABAMA COUNTIES have more registered voters than voting-age people. Plus this: "Well, considering a dog here in Pike County received a personally addressed voter registration form this month from the Alabama Democratic Party, we’d have to say there’s legitimate cause for concern."

What's the big deal? We've had "yellow dog Democrats" in the South for years. But I wonder if the voting system is like the credit system, with same-day registration and limited ID requirements kind of like those "no doc" loans, and questionable voting machines being like the dubious credit-rating schemes. As with the credit system, lots of insiders are making out too well from the current system to want to fix it, but when the inevitable crash comes the rest of us will pay the price . . . . Or is that analogy too much of a stretch?"

[RichatUF]

bad-

to handle this financial crisis better, and I like his financial team of [former Treasury Secretary Robert] Rubin and [former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul] Volcker better

Sounds more like a Soros rental. Rubin has been destroying shareholder value at Citi and Volcker is a Soros clean up guy (lead on the Oil-for-Food whitewash)

[bad]

I'm sure you're right Rich. Just sad it is so.

[kim jane il]

perhaps you'd be so kind as to post a link to the post in which she did so?

We have a deal then; every time you ask, you will get this post, every 2 hours or just as many times as you'd like to see it.

I posted this:

Albuquerque, Saturday:

A fire marshall puts the crowd at at least 45,000, many times that at McCain's roughly 1,000-person event a couple of miles away this morning.

clarice responded that some 'big name' band gave a concert, and that's who attracted the crowd. Note the lack of the word 'rumor' in this, just a simple representation as fact:

Which band played there, kmji? I forgot..Some big name. Offer a free concert and they will come, won't they?
What are you aiming for an MTV govt?

As per the freerepublic, here's the 'big name' clarice was referring to:

Albuquerque rally of 45,000 was actually a Santana concert!

"Well,,I though you guys might like the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey says. Obama's (Peace be upon him)event was held in the center of the University village. And the press keeps forgetting one little detail, it was a free concert featuring Carlos Santana. For my freeper friends across the country, he's still a massive celebrity out here with the Latino community. The crowd thinned *quickly* after the show. They werent waiting around for "the one"."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2115708/posts

Except now, the post has been removed, and all you see is this:

This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 10/26/2008 1:47:55 PM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:

Poster’s request.

Okay

But now clarice disingenuously represents that she was not, in fact, referring to the Carlos Santana rumor but some other unidentified internet rumor regarding 'some big name' playing at exactly the same time and place that Carlos was rumored to have played. But of course she can't quite remember who the band was, or even where she heard it, if she heard it at all.

Again--I said I'd heard a rumor of a big band there. I noted that that was often the case with the big O turn out events though the press hadn't said so most of the time. I never said who because I didn't remember ever seeing a name.
I now have given you a snip from a press account of the event which does confirm there was musical entertainment [note lack of 'big name' band mentioned in original claim] though no name is mentioned of the talent.

The only disingenuous thing is your suggesting I was referring to Santana when I have never mentioned his name and had no specific recollection then or now of where I'd heard there was a musical program at the event.

So it appears that this is as yet unresolved, and we eagerly await a link from clarice documenting this additional hoax should her memory improve at some point in the future.

[C.R.]

OT,

I have found Jake Tapper the most objective mainsteam media person this year. Agree or disagree?

[clarice]

I think Tapper's been amazingly good. In another time, of course, his reporting would be standard.This year it's a standout.

[bmeuppls]

I think the sleeper of this election is the immigrant vote. Not the "hispanic" vote. I mean the immigrant vote from Ukraine, Bosnia, Phillipines, Vietnam, India, Bangladeshi, Cambodian, etc. They have been arriving in droves over the last several years and many don't speak much english. They aren't polled. They make up about 7-10% of most suburban cities and are moving in droves to the second tier cities.

I am curious because the nail salon, the dry cleaners, the 7-11, the cabinet maker, in fact most small retail and trade industries are made up of large immigrant populations. Most aren't college grads, but they are sending their kids to college. Most have multi-generational households. And most would never answer a poll. The language barrier is a big issue, but they are distrustful of strangers in general.

My son's girlfriend is Bosnian and about 90% of that demographic are going McCain. The nail shop is 100% McCain. Ditto the dry cleaners. Most of these voters have a not to distant brush with the evils of socialism and have no desire to see it here.

They are workers. They don't take squat from the government and would be offended if someone insisted they do so. They are turned off by those that can't do for themselves and are scornful of those that are on the dole.

From my conversations with those I see on a daily basis, they get Obama and don't want anypart of him...

[clarice]

That's good to know,bmeuppls. It seems pointless to emigrate out of a socialist shithole to a country that plans to become yet another one.

[C.R.]

The quote I have found most true from an opinion journalist this election year is the following from Mona Charen: "Democrats are so much better at placing blame." I guess it has something to do with audacity.

[Elliott]

hrtshpdbox:

Another good item for a guessing game; when does a national poll next show McCain with the lead? I'll guess Thursday.

That sounds like a reasonable guess.

[bmeuppls]

Immigrants take their civic duty very seriously.

His girlfriend is all fired up to vote. It will be her first time in a presidential race. She was talking at dinner tonight about how she was going to wait and vote on Nov 4th; because, she wanted to experience it. Not just vote, she is looking forward to the actual experience of the act. She was asking about wait times, when it's best to go to the polling location, what to expect etc. It was very moving.

And it was also very inspiring. Her dad was a successful nightclub owner who escaped out the back door as the tanks were coming in the front door. He had sent the family to Germany, where they waited 5 years to get to to US. You can damn well bet they treasure their rights here.

And she's very pro McCain. A 21 yo and a 19 yo and they watch political shows. Every night! She is majoring in International Business and speaks 5 languages. She works for an accountant and teaches at the German School; and no one she knows is voting for O.

It makes you feel kind of guilty when you think how much you take for granted and how much she, and others like her, are so committed to their civic responsibilities.

[clarice]

Your son sounds like a lucky man.

[kim jane il]

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet.

But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials.

"This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.

But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it.

The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.

"It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.

Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.

Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.

It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.

link

[bmeuppls]

I think so. ;)

She is going to finish school about the same time as he, and she started two years later. He is afraid to get "overloaded" and she takes an overload every semester. He whines about homework, and she puts her head down and gets it done. I have pointed this out to him and suggested he get with her program and accelerate a little.

Here's to hoping the immigrant work ethic rubs off as much as her enthusiasm for her new country.

Would that we could all see this country through an immigrant's eyes.

[bmeuppls]

Looks like Charlie's voting problem is not isolated...

What a bummer to a first time voter like she. The registration in Georgia is handled at the county level and fed to the state database. The postmark problem is typical of Fulton County, though. Run by democrats...

Handel will make sure this is corrected. The SOS of Georgia is a Republican.

I just checked and I am listed as Active. And I checked on my MIL who died last Christmas. She is no longer registered to vote... sorry Acorn.

[clarice]

kimchee..that is something. Here, there's a system online when you can check ahead of time to make certain you are registered. HAVA gave the states money which they were to use for certain election purposes, including:
Section "(H) Establishing toll-free telephone hotlines that
voters may use to report possible voting fraud and
voting rights violations, to obtain general election
information, and to access detailed automated
information on their own voter registration status,
specific polling place locations, and other relevant
information."

http://www.fec.gov/hava/law_ext.txt

I checked online to determine I was properly registered. I am sure ALA had such a system, too.

[clarice]

Excuse me--Ga.

[clarice]

I also think she can fill a provisional ballot and establish it should be counted with the evidence of her citizenship in hand.

[kim jane il]

Poll Gives Obama 8-Point Va. Lead

McCain's Image Still Linked to Bush

By Tim Craig and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, October 27, 2008; Page A01

Barack Obama has opened up an eight-point lead over Republican John McCain in Virginia, and the Democrat is entering the final week of the campaign with several core advantages when it comes to turning out his supporters, according to a new Washington Post poll.

link

[clarice]

Yes,HAVA provides for the casting of a provisional ballot in just such a case, kimchee:

http://www-lvs13.net.ohio-state.edu/electionlaw/ebook/part5/procedures_rules01.html>Disenfranchised, my eye

[clarice]

I'm going to sleep now, kimchee. I think you can copy and save that WaPo poll alongside your shares of Lehman stock..Both are good as gold.

[kim jane il]

check ahead of time to make certain you are registered

Thanks, but I already voted. You know the Democrat's motto. ;-)

[C.R.]

bmeupplis,
I married the first generation son of Cuban immigrants (I know Cubans are considered, with some reason, different from other immigrants). I would say that my mother-in-law made me realize how many blessings I have had and taken for granted, except that my parents and grandparents explained that to me long before I ever met her. She simply (and explicitly) made that knowledge real. I have never had my father or brother arrested - she did. Now, how do I pass this knowledge to my 12 year old daugther in such a way that she learns to think for herself?

[kim jane il]

While some Republicans said they still had hope that Mr. McCain could pull this out, there were signs of growing concern that Mr. McCain and the party were heading for a big defeat that could leave the party weakened for years.

“Any serious Republican has to ask, ‘How did we get into this mess?’ ” Newt Gingrich, the former Republican house speaker, said in an interview. “It’s not where we should be, and it’s not where we had to be. This was not bad luck.”

link

[Elliott]

Bloomberg:

"The numbers look good for Obama,'' said Michael McDonald, a political scientist at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, who specializes in voter turnout.[snip]

Based on historical data, even a tie in early voting isn't good news for Republicans.

Early voters have tended to be "more Republican than their Election Day peers,'' McDonald said. "That's not true looking at these numbers now.''

I saw one of the commenters making this point in the Red State thread about the composition of the electorate in California so far. However, my memory was that while Republicans generally return more absentee ballots than Democrats, Democrats do far better at turnout with early voting stations. The only article I have found so far had this:

The two studies of absentee balloting indicate that rates of absentee voting vary positively with levels of partisan mobilization: candidates harvest absentee voters in localities where party organizations are strong, and Republican candidates are more likely to harvest absentee voters (Patterson and Caldeira 1985, Oliver 1996). Stein’s study of EIP in Harris County, Texas, showed that that there were significantly larger numbers of Democrats and strong partisans among the “early voters” than Election Day voters (Stein 1998).

One of the co-authors of that article was quoted at the end of the Bloomberg piece:

Paul Gronke, director of the Early Voting Information Center at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, said the Democrats had taken the lead thanks to "an army of volunteers.''

"There may be a big corps of Republican voters who will surge in last couple of days, but right now it's like a 100-meter dash, with one side starting meters ahead,'' he said.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

So, Kimji, where's the link to the place where Clarice mentioned Santana?

[Plumber's Pal]

A Guillotine at the Obama Rally

[Elliott]

WaPo Virginia poll has Obama ahead 8 but gives Dems 6 point edge (35-29) in state where 2006 turnout was 39-36 in favor of the Republicans.

[bmeuppls]

Now, how do I pass this knowledge to my 12 year old daugter in such a way that she learns to think for herself?

My 15 yo is a walking UN in the multi culti sense. She is not in the in crowd like my 21 yo was. She is in the crowd that I jokingly refer to as the Frat House couch from Animal House. She gets the joke.

She is BFF with many recent immigrants and other minorities. She is in and out of their homes and is face to face with cultural differences daily. Some friends can't go to football games because it is not allowed for them (culturally) to be in public like that with a mixed crowd outside of school. Some can't date. One is expected to have an arranged marriage! She sees the generational living arrangements of many of her friends. She has asked questions and I do the best I can to answer them.

I expose her to talk radio (I'm rotting in hell for that aren't I KJI). She asks questions and I answer. What is important is that she grasps the big picture issues. She understands repression from her friends talking about their backgrounds. She understands the inherent issues with socialism and "fairness." She talks about what she encounters at school. She understands the "outcome based mind set" thanks to soccer and other activities. She was the one who said "that's so lame" when the soccer association decided to award "participation" awards and do away with tournaments.

In short, use your teenager's experiences and reactions to help them understand what it means to live here. Expose them to political discussions. Gauge and guide their comments. Provoke discussion.

[Jor]

I'm gonna go with Obama at 55% McCain 43-44% Obama wins 375+ electoral votes. Hopefully McCain loses Arizona as well. Now its just running up the score. All the people here who think McCain is going to win should go to intrade.com and put there money where there mouth is -- otherwise they are utter hacks.

[bmeuppls]

Oh, and most important of all, don't lecture or be all preachy. I usually let her guide the conversation.

It's really funny to hear her snarking at some idiot caller to Hannity or Herman Cain and that is usually what provokes a discussion.

[bgates]

put there money where there mouth is
Anybody think Jor will accuse me of gay bashing if I explain to him what a homophone is?
I don't think I have much use for the numerical predictions of a guy who has trouble counting to two - "money where their[sic] mouth is[sic, again]"?

[M. Simon]

Obama talks socialism on WBEZ in 2000 (or 2001 I forget). He is a man with a plan.

LUN scroll down if it is not on top.

[M. Simon]

TCO was the unhinged Paulian.

[Plumber's Pal]

Philly Inquirer: All Whites are Racists, 'Shouldn't be Allowed to Vote'

[M. Simon]

I did a poll this past evening and 100% of them are voting for Obama.

McCain doesn't stand a chance with that Demographic. And no matter how much I talk to her mom just won't change her mind.

If McCain can't crack the "My Mom" demographic what are his real chances? Not good considering that Obama has the socialist contingent tied up.

[Extraneus]

I haven't seen this linked to here. Mark Levin at The Corner from Saturday:

The Obama Temptation

[veblenschild]

I have no idea how the election is going to play out but at the close on nov.4 with obama the winner dji=7200, S&P= 810.
Because my hopes and dreams diehard.
McCain the winner= 7600.S& P=830

[Porchlight]

Extraneus, thanks for that link. Levin has nailed it. Those are the stakes - do enough Americans understand them?

[PeterUK]

"Why do I fell Kimchee is playing Tokyo Rose here?"

More Vietnam Rose the STD.

[Jim Ryan]

Drudge has link to audio 2001 OBAMA: TRAGEDY THAT 'REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH' NOT PURSUED BY SUPREME COURT. LOL. Court under O: "It is the opinion of this court that nothing in the Constitution gives protection to speech, property, religion or the ownership of guns. It just doesn't say anything about that in there. Therefore, we side yet again with the plaintiff in Obama v Public..."

[Amused bystander]

The Dow is set to break below 8K this AM.

[Jane Plumber]

Levin is scary - because he pretty much nails it.

[Lori]

Is there really any question that the market is assuming that Obama will be the next POTUS?

[Amused bystander]

Well who knows? Manipulation?

Markets around the world are tanking -- this will be a rough week. The MSM will be screaming about it non-stop. Could break 7K.

If there is no rebound after the election, then you will be right.

Looks like events are in the saddle now.

[PeterUK]

An interesting point.
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Could Joe Biden's connections with credit card companies explain why Obama's campaign has been getting away with fraudulent credit card donations?

Normally, a purchase with a credit card on the internet requires that the name and address of the customer matches that of the cardholder, otherwise it isn't approved. But on the Obama campaign website, if you enter a false name and address, and after you enter your donation, card number and expirey date (it doesn't ask for the 3-digit code), you are taken straight to the next page with the message: "Your donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."

This could not happen without the collusion of the credit card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where the name on the card doesn't match the purchaser's name. Therefore, with the system set up by the Obama camp, an individual could donate unlimited amounts of money with fake names and addresses. And Obama is a party to this fraud. This is truly scandalous."
Comment at Melanie Philips blog.

[Extraneus]

That's a very good point, PUK.

Just to recount, I was unable to donate to McCain with a fictitious name and address. The minimum requirements were correct name, as appeared on credit card, and zip code. Other parts of the address were irrelevant.

[Extraneus]

Well, his tail is showing right now on Drudge. And if the scales don't fall from our eyes over this, we're in for it.

[Extraneus]

If the market tanks today, with that statement still up on Drudge, everyone should accept that these two things are correlated.

[Jane]

Hot Air has a clip from 2001 of Obama saying spouting marxist stuff and Fox has already picked up on it. The usual 3 day lag period has apparently been shortened.

[Jane]

Oh I see it is also on Drudge.

I guess we have our October surprise. Let's see what happens.

[clarice]

This is the article of the year--read it--pass it around--discuss it.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFhYzIzMGQ1Y2FlMTA4N2M1N2VmZWUzM2Y4ZmNmYmI=>Article

[fdcol63]

One wonders .... just how much FOREIGN money is being laundered through BHO's website?

And how much of Soros's money?

[fdcol63]

I think Obama's very smart, and very anti-American. His response to a crisis, or lack thereof, will be formulated to do the most damage possible .... to America.

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn have groomed him well, and we're about to see the fruits of their Gramsci "Long March" strategy come to pass:

A quiet coup, aided and abetted by their comrades in the MSM, that places their protege in the presidency with a super-majority of extreme Leftists in control of all 3 branches of the US government, as career miltary professionals flee the military due to budget cuts and eviscerated morale.

The barbarians are at the gates ..... and the American public, according to the polls, are about to turn over the keys to subversive (and traitorous - IMHO) watchmen.

I just hope the polls are way off, and my confidence in the American public is upheld.

[bad]

via Drudge:

Halloween display of Palin Hanging by a noose in West Hollywood.

John McCain fought for the right for people to display this sort of thing.

But can you imagine the furor if Obama were the one hanging by a noose.

LUN

[Jane]

I don't think Obama is anti-American. I just think he has never dealt with tough issues, and as a result has thrived on slogans not experience.

He has never once dealt with consequences but instead resides in theory. That's the danger of putting him in office. He can't possibly see how A begets B. He knows nothing about that stuff. And in the long run that may be more dangerous.

[kim]

Well, the press set out to lynch her; they just didn't build the gallows quite strong enough.
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