Why Obama's Columbia Years Went AWOL

What did Barack Obama do while at Columbia from 1981 to 1983 and in the year after his graduation?  That part of his life is scarcely mentioned in "Dreams From My Father"; the Wall Street Journal remarked in the mystery a month ago and the NY Times puzzled over it a year ago.

Let me just toss out the outlines of a theory that has just hit my inbox and left me agog.  First, the usual disclaimers - this is speculative, there are gaps and leaps of logic, and nothing can be proven. However, that said... well, see if you are agog as well.

1.  From Dreams From My Father and other sources we know that Obama was interested in South Africa divestment in the early 80's.  For example, he had a moment of awakening at Occidental College when he gave a brief but well-received speech to kick off an anti-apartheid demonstration.  Other sources indicate he maintained that interest while at Columbia.

2.  A major focal point of the anti-apartheid movement in the fall of 1981 was the Springboks rugby tour - they were an integrated South African rugby team on a "goodwill" tour of the US, creating controversy and drawing protests everywhere.  Some of the protests were violent, including one at John F. Kennedy Airport (from whence the team departed, I believe), and bombs were exploded.

3.  Did I say "bombs"?  Yes, and here is the jaw-dropping connection - the Weather Underground was involved in some fashion and the Brinks robbery which left two police officers and a security guard dead was apparently undertaken to finance activities such as the Springboks bombings.  A flavor from the Times:

The police said they had several links between the robbery suspects and other people associated with radical activities in the past. Federal officials said they were looking into possible links between the holdup gang and the Black Liberation Army, which, like the Weather Underground of years ago, has been linked more recently to bombings, attacks on police officers and other violence aimed at toppling ''the establishment.'' Getaway Car Recovered

A yellow Honda used as one of the getaway cars, for example, was recovered and found to have been registered to Eve S. Rosahn, who was a Barnard College student in the late 1960's and was arrested in radical demonstrations at Columbia University then and more recently at a New York City airport demonstration against the Springboks, the South African rugby team.

These are just dots and it may be impossible to connect them, but we have Barack Obama at Columbia working on South African divestment (as were many peaceful protestors) while other radical elements with a Weather Underground flavor are setting bombs, killing cops, and working on South African divestment.  As a bonus, Bill Ayers is studying at Bank Street College a quarter mile from Columbia towards his Masters in Education and Kathy Boudin, one of the Brinks getaway drivers, was working at a progressive Upper West Side School.  Eventually Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn raised Kathy's child while she was in jail, so it seems a fair guess that they were close.

A small, small world in which Obama never met any of these people despite their shared passion for justice in South Africa.  Never heard them speak at a rally, never heard anyone describe the Weather Underground to him, and felt comfortable assuming that Bill Ayers had been rehabilitated by 1995.  In fact, a world so small that Obama won't talk about it now.

For clarity, let me emphasize that I am not alleging that Obama was making bombs with Kathy Boudin. I am wondering how he managed to be active on South African divestment without ever encountering these radicals, I am wondering why he won't talk about his Columbia years, and I am wondering why he and his campaign have consistently provided misinformation when asked about Bill Ayers.

Three more weeks to keep the lid on.

FROM THE TIMES LOOK AT COLUMBIA:

When the Times peered into Obama's Columbia past they found this:

In a long profile of Mr. Obama in a Columbia alumni magazine in 2005, in which his Columbia years occupied just two paragraphs, he called that time “an intense period of study.”

“I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn’t socialize that much. I was like a monk,” he was quoted as saying.

He said he was somewhat involved with the Black Student Organization and anti-apartheid activities, though, in recent interviews, several prominent student leaders said they did not remember his playing a role.

Odd.  Here was a guy who had spent his life hanging with radicals and seeking out causes.  Now, at what was practically Ground Zero for campus activists, he decides to hide in the library.

MORE:  From this book, Bill and Bernardine surfaced in NYC in December 1980.

And the Ace was quicker to the Columbia/Weather link but did not note the South African connection.

LATE ADDITION:  A heavily researched article just can't prove the link between Obama and the violent anti-apartheid protests,but it is surely suggestive.

Comments

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Somewhere around the blogosphere within the last couple of days, I saw a headline saying Bambi's IQ is 130. If that is so, and I can't find the link this afternoon, then I am many points more eligible to be president than he and I'll bet that most of the regulars here are as well.

[ex-democrat]

As rich pointed out above, Obama claims that at Colombia he "carefully" chose Marxists as his friends ("To avoid being mistaken for a sellout.")

Surely his failure to spot Ayers demonstrates a worrying lack of perspicacity?

[JBean]

Columbia doesn't award honors to exchange students who were there only two years. His grades could have been all A+, he still would not have been eligible for honors.

Exchange student? He was from another country? Are you trying to start a rumor? Shame on you.

[Jane Whitman]

I can't stand that Bill Burton, and Naomi Wolfe is coming across as a fool.

[ex-democrat]

don't be silly, sara, bambi's IQ is just exactly right.

[clarice]

Jane W--Naomi Wolfe is crazy--google blog her..She has become a total paranoid nutcase.

[bad]

Naomi Wolfe is coming across as a fool.

Finally, a dim in an honest self-portrayal.

[clarice]

sara, you probably saw it where I did--on an ad here for some IQ test..LOL I think it's totally made up. IIRC that ad said Sarah's IQ was 118.

[Extraneus]

Gore's must be well over 150 then, huh?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Could be Clarice, I was delirious with 104.2 fever yesterday and could have easily mistaken an ad for a headline.

[bad]

Gore's must be well over 150 then, huh?

Waistline? Oh yeah

[RichatUF]

Sara-

Hope you're feeling better today.

[bad]

An ACORN spokesidiot just said we are misunderstanding the info about ACORN.

[PeterUK]

"Gore's must be well over 150 then, huh?"

That was Goreco's penis enlargement ad.The man should be grateful for global warming.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Thanks RichatUF, fever is down and hovering around 100. Body feels like death warmed over and my eyes are nearly swollen shut, but other than that, I'm on the mend. I hope.

[bad]

lol Peter

[bad]

Sara, did you have the flu?

[RichatUF]

ex-dem;

Surely his failure to spot Ayers demonstrates a worrying lack of perspicacity?

Fascinating isn't it. He was at Columbia and by his own admission sought out the Marxists and was involved in the anti-apartheid movement. Obama was mentored by a famous old radical, Frank Marshall Davis. In all that time and all that overlap: Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama never met-just some guy (gal) in my neighborhood?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

bad: I think just a really bad cold, but as achy as I feel today, it may be a touch of flu as well. No upset stomach or anything, thank goodness.

[cathyf]

Obama today: But they [ACORN] are not advising our campaign.

Another strawman. The fact in evidence is that Obama has a long history of advising ACORN.

[bad]

Take care of yourself and get well, Sara. Watch for complications if things linger.

[Extraneus]

It figures a world famous scientist like him would use the metric system.

[pollyusa]

who got Harvard's dean to lock up his records. Turns out --when we saw them years later--his grades as an undergrad were mediocre and he flunked out of law school.

Turns out -- Stevenson went to Princeton "22 undergrad not Harvard -- his undergrad grades were never released. He did withdraw from Harvard Law School with failing grades

Stevenson received his law degree from Northwestern in 1926 and passed the Illinois bar in the same year

When he died the great intellectual had one book only in his fancy NYC apt--the Green Book

nothing to indicate that the social register was the only book in his apartment.

John Bartlow Martin, in his biography of Stevenson, said that he had catalogued Stevenson's library in Illinois, and that at that time ''on the night table beside his bed lay a book -- the Social Register.''

BTW the Social Register is primarily used as a phone/address book and was referred to as the blue book. (DC's version was called the green book)

[Jane Whitman]

I hate to ask this question because I fear the answer.

Is anyone but Fox reporting on ACORN?

[Elliott]

Obama today: But they [ACORN] are not advising our campaign.

I think he also deployed the ubiquitous D-word.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Jane: Drew Griffin at CNN is doing some ACORN reporting:

See his videos, here and here.

[Barbara]

Somewhere around the blogosphere within the last couple of days, I saw a headline saying Bambi's IQ is 130.

I think that was his verbal score on the SAT ;)

Get well, Sara! A nasty flu is going around, so drink lots of fluids and get plenty of rest.

[MayBee]

He did indeed, Elliott.

Take care, Sara. 104 is hallucination territory, poor thing. (don't fill out your absentee ballot when your fever is so high!)

[Extraneus]

Hey, so was this Jesse's swipe at the proverbial family jewels?

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

[kai boston]

As a member of the BLM during the seventies and eighties I have to laugh at the speculation of a relationship with a white Bill Aryes and black Barack Obama. The reason that they are describe like that is that there was to emphasis that there was not organization unity between the two fractions.
Folks not aware think that the black and white left and student movements were some cohesive mesh. It was not. It was for the most part separted by race.Oh there were events and causes we worked on togeather on but they were separate movements
Blacks in the movement and anti-apatied movement did not socialize and were becoming increasing aware of the crazyness of the weatherundeground.
Some in the Black Liberation army participated in one or two armed roberies but for the most part the rank and file kept our distance. Why !!
BECAUSE THEY WERE F****KING CRAZY. An we knew they were not beyond killing people.
So for all you specualators that though they must have met and ploting to take over the government, get over yourselves you don't know what you were talking about.

[bad]

armed roberies

For those of us who know nothing, could you please elaborate on the clothing store with appendages previously referenced?

[clarice]

polly, thanks for correcting my faulty memory.

[clarice]

Now--THIS is scarey--

NEW YORK, Oct. 14 (UPI) -- Barack Obama won the 2008 Scholastic Presidential Election Poll over John McCain, 57 percent to 39 percent, results of the popular kids vote indicated Tuesday.

Almost 250,000 students in grades 1-12 voted in the Scholastic poll, which closed Friday, Scholastic said Tuesday in a news release.

Since 1940, the student vote results have mirrored the outcome of the general election all but twice -- when Harry S. Truman beat Thomas E. Dewey in 1948 and in 1960 when Richard Nixon lost to John F. Kennedy.

__I regard that poll as the gold standard--was it tampered with by ACORN? Are the kids dumber thanusual?
Tell me it ain't so.

[Rick Ballard]

bad,

Armed roberies were developed to compensate for the unfortunate incident involving the Venus di Milo. Aphrodite just didn't look her best afterwards and sleeveless slipped out of fashion.

Wait til Bulldoggy makes the burkha the rage of the season.

[bad]

Seriously, Kai, you forget that Obama is able to bridge the gap between all peoples. He is able to forge a consensus where all others fail.

Perhaps what you really mean is Obama wasn't black enough for the BLM and so he had to run with the Weather Underground, craziness notwithstanding.

[bgates]

As a member of the BLM during the seventies and eighties
Thanks for the perspective from the Bureau of Land Management.

[Jane]

So for all you specualators that though they must have met and ploting to take over the government, get over yourselves you don't know what you were talking about.

Well, we certainly know that they did get together. We just don't know when.

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

My grandkids took the poll the first week of school - prior to the Republican convention. They did it 'show of hands' too - no ballot. I was wondering about it at the time but I didn't mention it in comments.

[bad]

Bulldoggy...rage of the season.

Once again, Rick, you are perfection.

[bgates]

Clarice - schoolkids chose the Republican 4 elections in a row from 1948 to 1960? Where the hell did hippies come from?

[clarice]

I understand the election this year was different than in previous years--different schools, ages, numbers, methods(online this time) so I'm breathing more easily again.

[JBean]

As a member of the BLM during the seventies and eighties

Thanks for the perspective from the Bureau of Land Management.

Those are the guys that do the ploting, aren't they? Or is that the Bureau of Land Movement?

[Rocco]

The Black Panther Party

The Young Lords

Mark Rudd's Webpage

[Tommy V]

Needless to say, there wouldn't be any need for speculating if Obama wasn't so hush-hush about his Columbia years.

At the very least I find it strange that none of college friends want to talk about it either.

This is the most unexamined man to run for President that I have any knowledge of.

[How to Defeat Barack Obama]

Interesting theory. I suggest we spend the next three weeks investigating it, the Whitey Tape, Ayers-as-ghostwriter, and all those other rabbit holes.

Please do not go after BHO's known vulnerabilities, such as the fact that he frequently lies and the fact that he's rarely been pressed on his lies. Do not under any circumstances try to call BHO on those documented, fully sourced lies to his face on video and then upload that to Youtube. Because that would be effective, and it's better to chase wild theories.

[clarice]

How to, you have to understand this site has always attracted a number of obsessive mystery lovers. LOL

[Barney Frank]

Folks not aware think that the black and white left and student movements were some cohesive mesh. It was not. It was for the most part separted by race.Oh there were events and causes we worked on togeather on but they were separate movements.

Good to know the left still endorses Plessy vs Ferguson.

[Mike]

The bomb went off at the Eastern Rugby Union Office in Schenectady, NY the morning of September 22, 1981.

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id115.htm

That was the year Obama transferred from Occidental in CA to Columbia in NY. It is also the year he went to Indonesia and Pakistan to visit family and vacation.

The ECU was being protested by many groups including the Black Panthers

[B Moe]

"Blacks in the movement and anti-apatied movement did not socialize and were becoming increasing aware of the crazyness of the weatherundeground.
Some in the Black Liberation army participated in one or two armed roberies but for the most part the rank and file kept our distance. Why !!BECAUSE THEY WERE F****KING CRAZY. An we knew they were not beyond killing people.
So for all you specualators that though they must have met and ploting to take over the government, get over yourselves you don't know what you were talking about."

Yet Obama had no clue who Ayers was at that '95 fund raiser. Doesn't seem all that bright for a lightbringer.

[Mike]

Why did Obama go from Occidental to Columbia in the first place?

Columbia University's Black Panther group and BLA activities were well publicized. Did Obama feel a draw to the action?

Sekou Odinga was the leader in 1981.

Read:

http://books.google.com/books?id=KFk4bHPFN5AC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22Black+Panther%22+at+%22Columbia+University%22+1981&source=web&ots=nmx55Zejzw&sig=nJ3pGUCnPfpJuRSbb59Sk4XHxuc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA15,M1

Start on page 15 and you could see why Obama might have been attracted to Columbia at that time.

[Mike]

http://books.google.com/books?id=KFk4bHPFN5AC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22Black+Panther%22+at+%22Columbia+University%22+1981&source=web&ots=nmx55Zejzw&sig=nJ3pGUCnPfpJuRSbb59Sk4XHxuc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA15,M1

[B curly]

This has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever read. No evidence on any single point. Just rumor ... heck you don't even have evidence that Ayers and company had anything to do with the bomb ... just hear say. You people need to get a life and stay away from the booze before blogging or getting on the internet. Grow up.

[Rocco]

Oxy Remembers "Barry" Obama '83

According to Obama, who then went by the name of Barry, it was his involvement in the South African divestment movement at Occidental that first set him on his current path. “I got into politics at Occidental,” he said in a 2004 interview with Occidental magazine. “I made a conscious decision to go into public policy.”

It was a decision that eventually led him to transfer to Columbia University – “the idea of being in New York was very appealing,” he says – where he received his bachelor’s degree, and later to Harvard Law School, where he became the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review.

[B Moe]

We don't have any evidence that Obama was even a student at Columbia. That is kind of the point, curly. I wouldn't hire anybody at work if they refused to show me their transcripts, but I am supposed to hire a President without seeing them?

[clarice]

Well, B curly, we are simply testing speculation that TM received over his transom today. We cannot so far completely dismiss it, though no one has yet forwarded it as fact.

[Max]

The connection in all of this, at least ideologically, is Black Nationalism and 60s anti-capitalism. The Weather Underground folks had links with Black Panthers going back to SDS/RYM days in the sixties. Ayers and Obama are at or near Columbia at the same time when the most racially charged issue in a decade is unfolding before them. Percy Sutton said Obama was being groomed for financing to Harvard law school by Khalid Al-Mansour. Al-Mansour also was a Black Panther confidant prior to his conversion to islam. After his conversion he remained a committed black nationalist. Al-Mansour definitely has ties with Farrakhan. Farrakhan is chummy with Wright, O's pastor for 20 years and a Christian black nationalist. I could care less about Obama's race, but the radical ideology of the likes of Ayers, Al-Mansour and Farrakhan is ugly and dangerous. Can the dots be connected? Unlikely before 4 NOV, but the potential pattern is visible without the lines.

[Staggslaw]

Agog? at "this is speculative, there are gaps and leaps of logic, and nothing can be proven"...fiction, you mean. There's going to be a term applied more and more to those willing to make up anything they wish in an effort to subvert the democratic process contrary to the best interest of the nation, and that is Traitors! America, love it or leave it, you right wing idiots.

[b smith]

Has anyone who as actually bought into this tripe gone to college? How about NYC? There are lots of people there. Many of them don't know each other, even when they are interested in the same thing

The reason why Obama's college freinds aren't speaking about their experiences with him is because the Republican party tends to destroy people for political gain; as you are doing here. Remember the freinds of Bill? Also if you understand that Obama underwent a life transformation 20 years ago you will recognize that the people who were Obama's freinds then may not best represent his views now? There is a mutual understanding to not harm each other. I would not let myself be destroyed or let my friends be destroyed for political purposes.

My final point, and I think it is the most important one is that if you guys are able to investigate such insidious activities and connections as you imply but your candidate with his millions of dollars and minions of supporters has been unable to discover he is unworthy of being President. I mean, if McCain can't see the threat you describe under his own nose, how will he capable of recognizing the threats to our country and his administration?

[B curly]

"Testing speculation" is not an Olympic sport but I'd have to say your effort is worthy of one.

Just so I know you guys are serious patriots looking our for the USA, what speculation do you test regarding Sara Palin and her five different schools over six years while getting a Journalism degree? Or does that effort speak for itself?

[INCITEmarsh]

Seriously. You guys need to walk off the ledge.

You're painting with very broad brushes. And it's two coats of stupid.

[bad]

I mean, if McCain can't see the threat you describe under his own nose, how will he capable of recognizing the threats to our country and his administration?

So who do you vote for b smith, the threat or not the threat?

[Ann]

Fear is in the air. Monkeys are flying tonight.

[B curly]

@ B Moe

Seriously, did you ask for Bush's Yale transcripts? Be honest with yourself.

[Pofarmer]

because the Republican party tends to destroy people for political gain;

teh stupid just got pretty thick.

[bad]

Seriously, "seriously" is be used often, seriously.

[Elliott]

Ace linked it, Ann.

[Rocco]

COVER STORY
Barack Obama ’83

He changed course junior year when he transferred to Columbia. “I realized I wanted to be in a more vibrant, urban environment,” he says. As a transfer student, he didn’t receive housing, so lived off campus in various makeshift arrangements, such as living in one bedroom of a three-bedroom apartment, and renting a sixth-floor walk-up with slanting floors on the East Side, “just north of gentrification,” as he describes it.

As he pursued a political science degree, specializing in international relations, Obama says he was somewhat involved with the Black Students Organization and participated in anti-apartheid activities. “Mostly, my years at Columbia were an intense period of study,” he says. “When I transferred, I decided to buckle down and get serious. I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn’t socialize that much. I was like a monk.”

[Kay L]

This wouldn't be such a problem if Obama actually had some sort of track record. There is hardly anything to go on to figure out what his ideology is except for what we can glean from his associations and the activities of those associations.

He has never drafted a piece of legislation. He is a tiny voting record.

If he had 15-20 years in the Senate under his belt with a clear idea of what he could actually accomplish, then there would be a some kind of distinction between what we can discern about him from his associations and who he really is.

[Juliet16]

Frankly, I bet there are people who DO KNOW what Obama did during his Columbia Years. Sure, the MSM reporters could have dug for facts and decided not to publish them.

Now, I would be willing to bet that HRC supporters know what happened during those years and they may have already handed over info to the McCain campaign.

Hillary's staff has all the right government connections to discretely investigate and pry secrets out of government files.

But, heck, you don't need the MSM to investigate -- although that might be the lease expensive way to research Barry's Columbia years, but a good private investigator or two could dig up answers to these questions very effectively, also.

If there is anything juicy there, maybe we will find out soon...?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

More On Obama At Columbia

[bad]

From Rocco's link:

After working for an American oil company in Kenya and then for Kenya’s Ministry of Tourism, the economist (Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.) fell out of favor with the government, was blacklisted from finding work and was socially outcast. He became a heavy drinker, turned abusive to his American wife and eventually was destitute, borrowing money from relatives for food, as Obama describes his sister’s account in his memoir.

“All my life, I had carried a single image of my father … The brilliant scholar, the generous friend, the upstanding leader. That image had suddenly vanished,” Obama wrote. “Replaced by … what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat?

Every bad thing in Daddy's life was the fault of an American oil company.

[Pofarmer]

If he had 15-20 years in the Senate under his belt with a clear idea of what he could actually accomplish, then there would be a some kind of distinction between what we can discern about him from his associations and who he really is.

I think the whole plan was to get Obama "out there" while he could still pretend to be all things to all people.

[Barbara]

Seriously, did you ask for Bush's Yale transcripts? Be honest with yourself.

When he ran for president, George W. Bush was a known quantity with significant executive experience. His family was well known, with a notable history of public service. His colleagues and friends were known. His medical records and the records of his tenure as Governor of Texas were all available.

Did I need to see his transcripts? No.

Obama past is twisted and hidden. He has no executive experience, at least none that he is willing to discuss because of the questions that it might raise. Three weeks away from the election, the records of his education, past associations and term as a state senator are still missing, and we have only a single page from his doctor concerning his medical history. He has even hidden his maternal grandmother in Hawaii.

All we have to recommend this fellow are two ostentatious autobiographies. Without a teleprompter, he cannot compose a cogent paragraph. When asked a question, he ignores the issue and wanders off into the ether. I wouldn't hire him for any job.

[Rick Ballard]

"what we can discern about him from his associations and who he really is."

You mean a devout muslim Christian allied with a racist pastor who celebrated a Black Muslim's African American leader's achievement while spewing hate at whites engaging in a calm dialogue, the purpose of which was to dig every dime possible out of the cretins in his congreagation strengthen ties with improving the certainty of reparations race relations? I don't see how you can question "who he is?". He's a slimy race baiting poverty pimp symbol of the end of civilization man's ability to overcome the truth adversity.

Who are you to say otherwise and what's your address?

[bad]

Rick, I'm a little shocked at your thought process regarding Brother George's Keeper.

[Barbara]

Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official In Battle Over Voter Registration

CINCINNATI -- A federal appeals court has ordered Ohio's top elections official to set up a system by Friday to verify new voters' eligibility.

The full 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati has upheld an earlier ruling that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has to use other government records to check the thousands of new voters for registration fraud. A three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had disagreed last week, but the full court's ruling trumps the panel's decision.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Seriously, did you ask for Bush's Yale transcripts? Be honest with yourself.

Google it. They are all over the Internet and in news articles from the Boston and Washington newspapers.

[sylvia]

That was an intersting article above on BHO from the Pakistani paper. It lists all the Pakistanis he had connections with. What's intersting to me is that he had two inital roommates that were Muslim at both colleges. If I remember collge correctly, didn't you have an option to choose if your roommate smoked, was messy, neat etc, and even what religion they were. I find it hard to believe BHO got two Muslim roommates, especially in those days when there were less in the country, without selecting "Muslim" as religion.

Also interesting about his mother spending 5 years in Pakistan working for a bank. How did she get that job? I kind of wonder if there are CIA connections to BHO's family. Another thing I saw was that BHO's mother was 14 when she had Obama. That might expain the lack of birth certificate - she was beow the legal age. I don't remember seeing any pitures of Obama with his father as a baby. The only one I remember seeing is when he was a toddler with his father, maybe 4 years old. Didn't his father leave when he was about 2 years old? Hmmm.

[bad]

Maybe when Obama says, "I am my brother's keeper," keeper means something different than the "biblical keeper."

How about:

Keeper = the one who holds the brother's stash

[Ann]

Thanks Elliott,

You and I know I have snarked on Greta before, but never again.
Seems she is the only one that woke people up here and was mentioned to me more than once.
Her interview with Ohio's SOS Jennifer Brunner
was a spark. Now we need an explosion.

[sylvia]

If Obama's mother was indeed 14 years old when she had Barack that might explain a lot of things. One is why there was no birth certificate. She might have had a home birth to escape legal notice. Another is the exceprt in Frank Marshall Davis book about having sex with a 13 year old girl whose parents entrusted him with. If she was 14, the parents would want to protect Davis from prosecution because they admired him and to not bring attention to themselves and might lie about who the father was. BHO's Kenyan father might agree to it for money and for a favor. Also explains why there is a picture of BHO with father when he looks about 4, but as far as I know, BHO fathers was supposed to have left after 2 years. I thought it was a wild rumor before, but there might be something to it. I suppose this is easily looked into though.

[Rocco]

Weather Underground Rises from the Ashes: They're Baack!

Veterans of Weather (as well as some fans) seem to be on a drive to rehabilitate, cleanse, and perhaps revive it -- not necessarily as a new organization, but rather as an ideological component of present and future movements. There have been signs of such a sanitization and romanticization for some time. A landmark in this rehabilitation is Bill Ayers, Fugitive Days: A Memoir (Beacon Press 2001; Penguin Books 2003). This is a dubious account, full of anachronisms, inaccuracies, unacknowledged borrowings from unnamed sources (such as the documentary, Atomic Cafe, 17-19), adding up to an attempt to cover over the fact that Ayers was there only for a part of the things he describes in a volume that nonetheless presents itself as a memoir. It's also faux literary and soft core ("warm and wet and welcoming"(68)), "ruby mouth"(38), "she felt warm and moist"(81)), full of archaic sexism, littered with boasts of Ayers's sexual achievements, utterly untouched by feminism. (Among Ayers's many errors are some that betray ignorance of the Women's Liberation Movement: he repeats the media-generated myth that 1968 Miss America protesters burned their bras (117).)

[Rick Ballard]

"I'm a little shocked at your thought process regarding Brother George's Keeper."

I was surprised at the Muddle's turning toward the meretricious whore, Bill Clinton, in '92. I will not be surprised should they turn to a man who makes Clinton seem a paragon of virtue in '08. The rot is as deep and the electorate as shallow as it has ever been. There are far, far too many people who actually believe in their ability to create a set of ethics applicable to not only their own lives but so flexible in their beliefs that a remark upon non-adherence to any values is deemed a mark of "judgmentalism" - the only sin imaginable within their shabby system of values.

Europe has suffered through the rot for 70 years but the scum who gained power there made sure the citizenry were disarmed as soon as they gained power. It won't be quite that easy here.

It's interesting to note that Europe is slowly turning right as we are stampeded left.

[sylvia]

From Wiki:

"On 21 February 1961, Obama Sr. married a fellow student, Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii.[10] Their son, Barack Obama, was born on August 4, 1961. Two years later, Obama Sr. was accepted at Harvard for graduate study. He moved to Massachusetts while Ann and their son remained in Hawaii. He and Dunham divorced in 1963."

Well maybe the conspiracy theory is not true. Hard to see how it could be. They got married and then BHO was born. Seems legit. Still they did break up after two years.

[Mike]

One last note...the driver of the car during the Brinks job and the killings was Nehanda Abiodun who is exiled in Cuba...this is what she said recently about Obama!

http://www.federaljack.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=2247

"I really hope that [the Democratic presidential hopeful] Barack Obama wins," she says. "I'm not sure what I feel about this, because if it's generally known that people like me support him it will be used against him. One day I hope I will go home. One never loses faith. He could bring that about if he was president. He would have the power to do that . . . though I doubt that he would." A broad smile settles across her face, and the party continues well into the night.

A broad smile! I bet!

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I was surprised at the Muddle's turning toward the meretricious whore, Bill Clinton, in '92.

Did they really? Clinton won with only 42% of the vote. Remember Perot siphoned off approx. 19% of the Repub. vote, otherwise, Clinton would have been soundly defeated.

[Rick Ballard]

Sylvia, you most ignorant slut, the senior Obama could not legally marry Miss Dunham, who bore Obama junior, because he was already married. No one should hold Hussein's bastardy against him for he had no choice in the matter but even if Osama senior jumped over a broomstick in front of a JP in Hawaii, the marriage was invalid. Bigamist's second, third and fourth marriages just don't count in the US. He's legitimate in Mecca though.

[mary]

What did they do for those two years? Were they in Hawaii or somewhere else? The wording of the paragraph is such that you make assumptions about what is written.

See, you assume they got married and remained in Hawaii. And then you assume he went off the Harvard and she remained in Hawaii. But they are all the readers assumptions.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Sylvia: I don't know where the 14 comes from. I believe Ann was 19 when Obama was born. She was a student at U. of Hawaii and met BO, Sr. there. Yes, they were married, except that he already had a wife and child/children? back in Kenya, so he was a bigamist.

[sylvia]

Well saw this in BHO's wiki article:

"The family moved to Mercer Island, Washington, in 1956 so that 13-year old Ann could attend the Mercer Island high school that had just opened"

I thought that was interesting. In those days, when a family moved for a teenage daughter's "education", sometimes it was to cover up a scandalous pregnancy. The rumor might have started that she might have been pregnant with another child at 14 that she gave up for adoption. Frank Marshall still might not be off the hook.

[sylvia]

"Sylvia: I don't know where the 14 comes from"

I just saw it just as a comment on that Pakistani page. Okay, not a reliable source, I know, but I thought I'd give it a whirl for a second. It was fun while it lasted.

[Topsecretk9]

Just like Axelturfers and Hackers, now Obama credit card fraud/identity theft to fund his campaign

Steve and Rachel Larman say a strange credit card charge appeared on their statement this month -- a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign.

"They (Chase) kept on asking me 'are you sure you wouldnt have gone to a site in support of Obama'," said Rachel Larman. "And I repeatedly said 'Im voting for McCain - I would not be going to an Obama site'."

Chase dropped the charge from the Larman's card. The couple is thankful thay they caught the charge on the card, but worried that others may not see that type of fraud on their own credit cards before it's too late.

"You always get emails saying be on the lookout," said Rachel. "So I just wanted to get the word out, that there's someone out there perpetrating this against people, and to pay attention."

[sylvia]

"a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign. "

Now I know why I have no money this month!

[gregor]

There have been 53674 major capital crimes committed in Chicago since Obama has lived there. It is entirely possible that he and Michelle were involved in at least one of them. Even if the probability of each one of them having committed a crime is only 0.5 ( and I am being generous here, for it should be more because of their backgrounds), the probability that both committed a crime is exactly 1.

Why won't the Chicago Police Department release the files on Obama? I smell a conspiracy by the powerful blacks of the Windy City.

[Rocco]

From the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America

A Town Meeting on Economic Insecurity: Employment and Survival in Urban America

Over three hundred people attended the first of two Town Meetings on Economic Insecurity on February 25 in Ida Noyes Hall at the University of Chicago. Entitled "Employment and Survival in Urban America", the meeting was sponsored by the UofC DSA Youth Section, Chicago DSA and University Democrats. The panelists were Toni Preckwinkle, Alderman of Chicago's 4th Ward; Barack Obama, candidate for the 13th Illinois Senate District; Professor William Julius Wilson, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University of Chicago; Professor Michael Dawson, University of Chicago; and Professor Joseph Schwartz, Temple University and a member of DSA's National Political Committee.

Nite all

[Topsecretk9]

kai boston

Thank you for your insight. It's what I've been learning having got a shipment from my library request in the last month.

I know a common thread in the weather underground is rich, wealthy upbringings and guilt, but a strange thing one author has noted and I believed was the manipulation of black groups and how these privileged whites encouraged black radicals to "achieve" their due, but the black groups had to DO the heavy lifting and PAY the ultimate price.

In essence the whole structure of WU was racist. They fantasied, agitated and TRIED to facilitate a race war, but the "race war" and groups they manipulated and propped up killed and incarcerated more blacks, and the complicit lily white weatherman? They live in the lap of luxury direct black how to think and be with zero time in the state pen like his black brother in arms serve life sentences.

Anyway. Thanks. But it's what I always knew.

[sylvia]

So how old does Obama look in this picture? (LUN) Does he look 2? Just wondering, I'm not so good with kids' ages.

[sylvia]

Wait, go to pic 4 in that link.

[Topsecretk9]

Also, recall how Bernadine Dorhn said of Manson:

“Dig it,” said Dohrn at the time. “First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”

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Manson's whole purpose of his murders were to incite RACE WAR and Manson wanted blacks to crushed.

[Topsecretk9]

to incite RACE WAR and Manson wanted blacks to BE crushed.