After Action

The WSJ has a detailed account of the terrorist attack in Mumbai.

Comments

[PDinDetroit]

The part of the story that sticks out like a sore thumb: the lack of ability to protect the public and oneself.

The Police and Hotel Security Guards had no or limited access to GUNS, which appears to be the fault of GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION (RED TAPE) in getting gun permits. This was a PROBLEM just waiting to happen. Not only was the chicken house left unguarded, the fox was invited in for a spot of tea and snacks...

Just let 'em try it here in Detroit... Everybody armed here and just looking for some idiot to start summthin'

[Thomas Collins]

So, JOMers, if what the WSJ described had happened in an American city, would you want any of the terrorists captured alive to receive the full panoply of constitutional rights under US law? Do you think that the US would be acting against notions of decency to treat them as enemy combatants and do what was necessary to extract info from them on the groups with which they were affiliated? How great a burden would you put on the US to make a showing that they were enemy combatants before the US could treat them as such?

If you think these are the questions of a lunatic, if you think that it is obvious these terrorists should be sent to Gitmo or be subject to rendition to any place and subject to any individual who could extract info from them, I assure you that in the salons of much of the US legal pseudo-elite, these matters would be open to question.

[Extraneus]

Just let 'em try it here in Detroit... Everybody armed here and just looking for some idiot to start summthin'

I've been thinking the same thing, PD. Just ordered a new inside-the-pants holster for a Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum, seeing as the weather makes it easier to carry nowadays. They'd probably be better off waiting 'til summer.

[Thomas Collins]

In the WSJ article it is stated that:

"The hotel had metal detectors, but none of its security personnel carried weapons because of the difficulties in obtaining gun permits from the Indian government, according to the hotel company's chairman, P.R.S. Oberoi."

Perhaps Prime Minister Singh will want to have a word with his bureaucrats who are denying Indians the right of self defense.

[peter]

I think Plexico Burress' attorneys may be using this as a defense.

[PDinDetroit]

TC - I still believe the old adage "Kill 'em all, let God sort them out". While it may be helpful to have a "live specimen" to "examine", it is not needed since the electronic and physical forensics are very helpful in putting together the puzzle.

I do not believe that terrorists deserve any protection under any laws. They kill indiscriminately, men-women-children, of those they disagree with on religious or philosophical grounds. We play PC nice-nice with them while they play by their own rule book.

This may sound extreme, but one must "take on the face of war and lend the eye a terrible aspect" in times like this. I would gladly defend the innocent against oppressors, if the need arises.

[PeterUK]

Sadly,the war against the Japanese comes to mind,ultimately you do what you have to do.
All jihadi prisoners should be shown footage from WWI and WWII so they know what industrialised war is like.
Ironic to think that The One might have to be the one who says "Do it".

[PDinDetroit]

Ex - I just got a Ruger GP100 (Model KGP-141) in 357 Magnum for home protection and hunting (short range only). See LUN.

A doe came out behind me last Friday about 45 yards away and was standing straight on towards me. I went to move to shooting position and she bolted (she was not coming in and I was losing daylight). Only deer I "almost" had a shot at this hunting season.

I really, really miss hunting on the private land I used to be on...

[nonetoday]

Thomas Collins: The reason it's important to capture terrorists alive is so you have the chance to get information from them, not because you're worried about their rights.

[PDinDetroit]

PUK - agreed.

My father was in WWII and was on Okinawa for a time after the island's capture. All US Personnel were issued 45's at a minimum and were instructed to "shoot first and ask questions later". There were Jap Pill-Boxes that were still being discovered.

He was not a violent man by any description, but he would have done what was needed.

[huxley]

Thomas Collins -- If you've got something to say, say it. Don't weary us with run-on rhetorical questions, then implicitly accuse of us of thinking you are a lunatic.

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, PDinDetroit, I too am happy to have termination with extreme prejudice as the first option. I am then happy to have the "Jack Bauer Informational Inquiry" option for the captives.

Actually, I am for anything that gets info out of the captives. If playing Britney Spears CDs over a Gitmo loudspeaker gets more info than waterboarding, let the "Baby One More Time" lyrics roll. If tapes of Rosie O'Donnell's talk show do it, that's fine, too.

[Thomas Collins]

I wouldn't accuse you of anything were you to think I am a lunatic, huxley. You'd be in synch with the thinking of my kids!

[Rick Ballard]

Here you go.

[Rick Ballard]

Here you go.

[PD]

Vince Flynn's on O'Reilly right now.

[Thomas Collins]

I wish the US Supreme Court agreed with you, nonetoday, but, unfortunately, they don't. See LUN.

[nonetoday]

I'm not sure about this but I think the Nuremberg trials were the first time that war criminals had the opportunity to provide evidence in their defense - but of course everyone knows that Israel had their own form of justice that didn't involve the courts.

But our government has received some very good information from captured AQ terrorists so it's always better to keep them alive if possible. If they're citizens they should have the same rights as anyone else.

[Disreali]

Dec 1 is the due date for Obama to respond to Philip Berg's latest writ in the Supreme Court on the disclosure of Obama's birth certificate. Any news?

[Semanticleo]

"Dec 1 is the due date for Obama to respond to Philip Berg's latest writ in the Supreme Court on the disclosure of Obama's birth certificate. Any news?"

None, except that the glass continues to be half-empty for conservatives looking for chinks in Obama's armor.

[PDinDetroit]

SemCleo - chinks in the armor? I did not know we were already looking for a China-Obama Connection. Thanks for the heads up, will have to pay better attention now...

But seriously, THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!

Even my most liberal of friends are having buyers remorse and wondering "what happened to the change?"

[Semanticleo]

"what happened to the change?"

I feel your chagrin...........

[glasater]

None, except that the glass continues to be half-empty for conservatives looking for chinks in Obama's armor.

After today's drop in the DOW I wouldn't be talking about chinks in the armor as far as Zero is concerned.

[PDinDetroit]

SemCleo - Please tell us how pleased you are with Obama so far. How about his picks for filling positions in his administration?

It is very simple, just be positive for a CHANGE...

C'mon, even Kim would ask this from you...

[Jane]

So Cleo, are you saying you have always been a hawk? Boy you could have fooled me!

[Thomas Collins]

Zero will still make the left happy with appointments to the federal judiciary and moving the country as far as he can towards socialized medicine. With respect to foreign policy, Putin's missile rattling, the activities of the Somali pirates and the Mumbai urban warfare terrorist attack may have convinced Zero that something more than his transcendent personality will be needed to deal with the nastiness that is an inherent aspect of world politics.

[huxley]

Thomas Collins -- I take it then, that you don't have anything to say.

[kim]

Only for those with ears to hear, my dear.
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[Disreali]

SemCleo,

Nice to know it is okay for this black president to stick up two fingers at the Supreme Court. Great change!

[Pagar]

"Please tell us how pleased you are with Obama so far."

Here's how Z. Dwight Billingsly expresses it:

"As Jack Buck once said, "I don't believe what I just saw!" Americans on Nov. 4 turned over control of the United States of America to a management team possessing no executive experience, having never run, as I liked to put it, nothing.

Well, Americans usually get the government they deserve, and I urge you all to get ready for this 21st century version of amateur hour. It's going to be an embarrassing and dangerous time for America and American ideals."

To me it seems like some large corporation has ran an ad in the Wall Street Journal-

Wanted Chief Excutive-Must have never ran anything before, don't worry about credentials, they won't be checked. Must be willing to undo any thing the company has ever stood for.

[Jane]

Good Morning!

Today is Clarice's real birthday. Anyone got any candles?

[centralcal]

Encore birthday wishes for Clarice! Ain't it great to be home and sleeping in your own bed again :)

Sorry, Jane, I stopped by birthday candles long ago - ugh.

[clarice]

Thanks , Jane--I happen to have the necessary carload of them in the backroom. Good Morning J.O.M!!!

[Thomas Collins]

Huxley wants me to say something, and with all these birthdays for the JOMers occurring, I'd just like to say happy birthday to TM and clarice and all the JOMers no matter when in 2008 their birthdays have occurred, are occurring or will occur. And to clarice, I'll bet you still get carded when you go to a saloon!!!

[centralcal]

oops, not awake yet. by = buying.

[bad]

Happy Birthday Clarice!!

[Rick Ballard]

Happy Birthday Clarice.

[centralcal]

Yoo hoo, everyone, Elliott is toasting Clarice-isms over at the Beau Geste 2008 thread.

[PDinDetroit]

Happy B-Day Clarice!

AT has an article up about the Gun Control in India - see LUN.

I highly doubt that the MSM will report that the lack of armed citizenry contributed to the length and breadth of this terrorist attack.

[bad]

The NYTimes glosses over Eric Holder's shortcomings. LUN

Hillary is a distraction to an examination of Holder's issues.

[huxley]

Thomas, kim -- I said:

"If you've got something to say, say it. Don't weary us with run-on rhetorical questions, then implicitly accuse of us of thinking you are a lunatic."

Run-on questions and mindreading are a crank debating style I see from people like anti-evolutionists and I dislike it.

If you've got something to say, say it.

[bad]

If you've got something to say, say it.

Eric Holder is not fit for the office to which he is nominated.

[kim]

Say Hey, Kid.
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[clarice]

Thanks all. Will have to check out Elliott.

[Jane]

Clarice,

B-day greetings are in every thread. Don't miss JMH in the thread before this one.

[kim]

"It".

Are you happy now, huxley?
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[PeterUK]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CLARICE

[Daddy]

Thank goodness they're known as the Religion of Peace and not something like the religion of disenfranchised maniacs.

[Captain Hate]

Happy birthday Clarice!!!

It's pretty funny that huxley is giving orders on how to comment to Thomas Collins as if he/she/it's the Amy Vanderbilt/Emily Post of interwebbz etiquette. I guess that when somebody of no tangible accomplishment is elected President it emboldens idiots everywhere.

[centralcal]

Action thread or Cool thread? Hmmmm.

[kim]

I thought he was subtly putting us on until he introduced the code words for red neck knuckle draggers. I love the unintentional irony of the progressive idiots.
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[clarice]

I hope I don't miss thanking anyone--I am overwhelmed!

[huxley]

Capt. Hate -- Thanks for a wonderfully substantive comment.

If you've got something to say--as opposed to something to snark, say it.

[bad]

If you've got something to say--as opposed to something to snark, say it.

Captain ROCKS

[kim]

Something to say it, something to say all about it.
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[huxley]

kim -- Ah, a personal insult. More substantive debate.

[kim]

Sorry, Pal, you're not going to understand until you read 5 years worth of archives. Pay particular attention to everything double underlined.
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[kim]

Also, just because the shoe fits, doesn't mean you have to put on and parade around in it. Why don't you put an egg in it and beat it?
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[Captain Hate]

huxley, what makes you think that Thomas Collins or I care about what you regard as "something to say"? Are you part of Obammy's transition team because that would explain the outrageous arrogance. Or are you still waiting to be paid off by Axelrod?

[sbw]

You missed the title of that Obama doll. It was not an "Obama in action" figure. It was an "Obama inaction" figure.

[huxley]

I'm beginning to have the sinking feeling that you people are more or less on my side.

Pity.

I voted for McCain, not Obama.

[kim]

McCain? That RINO? Omigod, get out the insect spray. Oh, wait, maybe he has a child in Iraq.
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[Captain Hate]

I voted for McCain, not Obama.

I voted for Palin; unfortunately that Maverick fellow was on the ballot line too.

[kim]

Surely there's a Darwin lying around here somewhere to award huxley.
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[huxley]

More insults. More snark.

We may vote alike. We are not on the same side.

[kim]

Your the plaything of an idol our. Whoops you just fell on your own grenade. Here, have a nut.
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[kim]

Moraine.
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[PeterUK]

"when somebody of no tangible accomplishment is elected President it emboldens idiots everywhere."

Yes indeed,
"This is the dawning of the Age of Mediocrity".

[kim]

Does 'It' want a cracker?
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[Captain Hate]

We may vote alike. We are not on the same side.

Keep coming up with these snappy retorts; it's really adding to the discussion that you claim to be concerned about. Unless TM provided you as an early Christmas present for us to bat around a bit. In which case: Tom, we need more of a challenge dammit!!

[huxley]

My impression has been that it is progressives who are childish, churlish, and unserious about political discourse.

I'll have to adjust that impression.

[kim]

Aldous are so sorry for ourselves.
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[PeterUK]

Huxley is a "You are the kind of people who will drive people like me away from the Republican party".

Huxter,if you want to engage someone in conversation,be polite, don't accuse them of being vacuous,you sound like a liberal.

[Captain Hate]

I'll have to adjust that impression.

My impression is that you're a lying worthless troll. I'm not adjusting that impression. The Axelturfing continues.

[kim]

Please tell us all about the 'Importance of Being Harnessed'.
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[Thomas Collins]

Whoops! Looks as if I lost my intended post. If two posts appear that sound similar, it means the one I thought I lost reappeared. So, here I go again.

Huxley, other JOMers have tweaked me from time to time on my occasional (OK, perhaps frequent:-)) bombastic rhetoric. JOMers comment on TM's posts and to each other in varying styles. The diverse posting styles of JOMers is a source of joy to me. We discuss issues, tweak each other and chide each other in a spirit of humanity. I hope in this holiday season you might be open to this spirit.

You have noticed one of my characteristics (being prone to rhetorical flourishes). If it does not please you, ignore my posts and learn from many others on this blog who have so much to teach you and me.

[PeterUK]

We've seen Huxter before under a different name.Slips in an early snark to a complete stranger,claims to be a conservatives,then whines like a liberal with it caught in his zip.

[kim]

I got a good one from Mencken last night: "The trouble with you liberals is you get uneasy when people don't agree with you"
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[RichatUF]

Happy Birthday Clarice;)

And Tops!!!! And Mrs. Hit and Run!!!!

[Barney Frank]

More insults. More snark.

Isn't that precisely how you introduced yourself on this thread; with snarky comments about TC's syntax and arrogantly speaking for the rest of us about how wearying his comment was?
And since you presume to tell others how to present their argument perhaps you could explain how a rhetorical question (your term) implicitly accuses us of thinking he is a lunatic. He very clearly implies we would not think such a thing but that the dolts in DC might.
If you've got something to say, shut up.

[centralcal]

clapping, clapping, bravo, Barney!

[kim]

Shut 'it' up!
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[kim]

Hey, huxley, the rubber raft is pinin' f'your company.
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[RichatUF]

Regarding the birthdays, it must be something in the stars tonight.

[Enlightened]

Happy Birthday Clarice and many many more!

Huxley - Get lost. I mostly lurk, and comment mainly when the irritation level of morons like you exceeds sanitation levels. Only an idiot like you or Bambi or Cleo and the rest of the Josh Marshall/Alan Colmes teenyboppers would be arrogant enough to tell the members here how they should comment.

[kim]

Those three wanderers should be very impressive this evening, Rich. Thanks for the reminder.
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[clarice]

Back to Mumbai...Dorothy Rabinowitz' pasting of Deepak Chopra in yesterday's WSJ took the words right out of my mouth. I love her.

[clarice]

Thanks, Rich--Have I mentioned I get utterly lost in the stars...hypnotized so they quickly all form whatever constellation I think they ought to be.

[Enlightened]

Hannity tried to talk to Chopra on HC last night - what a stooge. I think he's lost his happy molecules and is floundering in a particle abyss.

[Captain Hate]

Agreed Clarice; Rabinowitz has been my heroine ever since her coverage of the Amireault railroading by the Janet Reno of Massholechusetts, Scott Harshbarger; which the priss-pots of the MSM couldn't be bothered with. It was my first eyes-wide-open moment when I saw how hollow their "trooth to power" mantra was.

[Pofarmer]

I voted for Palin

Well, that makes two of us. Hope to get the chance to do it again.

[Jane]

Clarice,

Do you have a link to the Rabinowitz article. I saw Deepak screeching about it last night so I figured it was spot on.

[RichatUF]

clarice-

If you have a good view of the Southwest sky tonight, just after sunset, Jupiter and Venus are converging near the moon.

[Laura]

Jane
LUN for the Rabinowitz article

[RichatUF]

Jane, here's the article. Good stuff.

[bad]

Thomas Collins, I never scroll past your comments, do enjoy them very much, and usually learn something new. Keep up the good work, you are appreciated.

[bad]

from Rabinowitz:

Soon enough, there was Deepak Chopra, healer, New Age philosopher and digestion guru, advocate of aromatherapy and regular enemas, holding forth on CNN on the meaning of the attacks.

What a great start to an article on Chopra. Listening to him is enough to affect my digestion.

[PeterUK]

"Regarding the birthdays, it must be something in the stars tonight."

If they align Damian Obama will be sending out his acolytes to find the child.A word of warning, writing Liberal on the roof won't save you.

[cathyf]

Hey, happy birthday, clarice, but aren't you supposed to be receiving the presents on your b-day not giving them? The link to the Rabinowitz piece was great (especially since the wsj couldn't manage to link to the article anywhere on their front page where I could find it. Better stop me before I wander off into a rant about the total lameness of the WSJ web site...)

[centralcal]

Loved the Rabinowitz piece. Thanks for linking.

I absolutely loved this sentence:

"Soon enough, there was Deepak Chopra, healer, New Age philosopher and digestion guru, advocate of aromatherapy and regular enemas, holding forth on CNN on the meaning of the attacks."

Wonderfully snort worthy!!