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December 09, 2008

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matt

People who will not be at Obama's next birthday party:

Bill Ayers
Bernadine Dorhn
Tony Rezko
Rod Blagojevich
Rev. Wright
6-8 Chicago Aldermen
Andy Stern
Penny Pritzker
Rita Rezko
Charlie Rangel
Chris Dodd

and a partridge in a pear tree!

clarice

Mostly, I doubt it, too. Have you seen a single report in the MSM critical of the outrage of Blag's trying to direct the reportage of the Tribune by inflicting threats of economic consequences on the owner ?

nonetoday

Because oil, plastic and building homes obviously aren't good for the environment - the global warming hysteria might be exaggerated so people can make money from it plastic never disintegrates so obviously that is bad - where are we going to put all our garbage? In the ocean? I doubt fumes from cars are healthy either.

The problem is also trying to make American companies "green" when you have a business in another country that doesn't have those regulations. We're trying to make my company more "green" so we have a "green commitee" now that meets every few weeks about making our company "green" and healthier - every time they're done I look in the room and they have thrown all their plastic cups and cans in the garbage although there are clearly designated recycling bins in the room. They make lots of copies of "green" reports and leave the extra papers on the floor or table.

But if companies want to create "green" jobs and it helps the economy then that is good.

RichatUF

nonetoday-

But right now we need jobs - if they want to create "green" jobs then it will help the economy.

"Green jobs" are being created in Michigan as we speak-its called unemployment. Their has already been a bubble of sorts in the solar power sector (probably to be revived) which burst. On carbon credits (and cap-and-trade), its been tried in Europe Phase I was a disaster (the credits collapsed to cents per tonne after reaching as high as 30 € and Phase II is coming under the same pressure (national governments issuing additional credits or providing waivers).

My guess is Obama will put some cronies at the EPA and DoE to game the regulatory regimes across states and intrastate (for reference: the CA power "de-regulation" debacle a few years back or Hundt’s implementation of the 1996 Telecommunications Deregulation Act). We'll see.

kim

I have no problem with a free market creating 'green jobs' nt. It is the subsidies and mandates to which I object. And hey, recycle that 'indestructible' plastic, and regulate housing to a fair thee well. It's going to be a long eight years.
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MayBee

As long as Obama is in that house, and Rezko's business associate owns the lot, that lot is not buildable.

RichatUF

ooops...

Their has already...

There has been

kim

And, by the way, nonetoday, I've mostly loved your contributions; they've been uniformly thought provoking. But I'm a climate skeptic and the mistaken paradigm that CO2=AGW has already wrought severe damage to the fabric of human society. It'll only get worse before the fever passes. You've only been exposed to a mild variant.
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C.R.

Clarice

"And this time there are no apparently innocent people to be destroyed by the Fitzmaw"

I agree completely. What makes Fitz tick, do you think? Is it just power?

RichatUF

ben-

Client #9 was supposed to do some jailtime too. That whole case went quietly into the night.

Sure Blagojevich and co. are a different kind and quality so they might go to trial, but I'm not so sure-their Dem's and this is Chicago.

clarice

I've no opinion on that C.R.

Ann

I recommend everyone go over to American Thinker and listen to the podcast of Clarice on "The Rick Moran Show". She is on after the 20 minute mark.

You were great Clarice! I still have visions of Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton in the women's restroom though and wonder if you have a cure for "Get out of my head"? :)

Really, it was so fun listening to your words of wisdom not just reading them.

Elliott

Why "The Irish Rover"? Why?

Any other untouchables? Maybe we should compile a JOM list.

I'll start: The Battle Hymn of the Republic.

kim

High functioning autistic. Look how he beat Libby's head against the wall.
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C.R.

Clarice,

Fair enough. You are right that this will be far more enjoyable.

matt

Most prosecutors have massive egos. Sort of like collecting scalps....There's a self righteousness to them that is almost uniformly smarmy from my experience. That sounds like Fitzgerald....he needed a whipping boy in the Plame case, knew who actually leaked the information and did nothing to clear the case until he got Libby on a tertiary charge. Having a journalist thrown in jail when he knew the facts of the case was not cool either.

kim

He was so wrong on Libby. He was so wrong on Black. How can he be so right on this?
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Pofarmer

Because oil, plastic and building homes obviously aren't good for the environment - the global warming hysteria might be exaggerated so people can make money from it plastic never disintegrates so obviously that is bad - where are we going to put all our garbage? In the ocean? I doubt fumes from cars are healthy either.

O.K. I'm a farmer, I'm pretty familiar with the Environment. We could reduce our trash enourmously by INCINERATING it. It would be less costly than trying to recycle it, which actually consumes more energy than the initial process. Most plastics do degrade if left in the sun, btw. Fumes from cars? When the next level of emmissions regulations pass, cars and trucks will have emmissions levels cleaner than the incoming air, in most cases. Oil is a product of the earth. There's nothing inherently good or bad about using it. The CO2 trapped in the oil has probably been in the atmosphere before. Human activity isn't inherently bad. Like Kim, I don't want to run you off, a place like this thrives on people with honest disagreements.

bgates

plastic never disintegrates
Boy, I hope not, but "never" is a long time. The carbon in plastic is a gigantic food source just waiting for an enterprising microorganism to stumble across a way to digest it. The bugs have only had a hundred years or so to work on it.

Imagine something figures out how to digest PVC. It could rot every non-metal pipe in every building in the world, and instead of releasing a bad scent, it could release chlorine gas.

C.R.

I've known some very admirable prosecutors. I don't understand the inability Fitz has to stop at a reasonable point. Well, I guess he seems to win, so there is that.

Pofarmer

How can he be so right on this?

Maybe he ain't?

kim

The fumes from cars, or any burning of fossil fuel, once properly cleansed, consist of water vapor and carbon dioxide, both healthy and essential ingredients of all life on earth.
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narciso

Sounds like it was a hoax, addressed to Murkowski?? Got it from GretaWire's comment page. Still a sick thing to do to anyone, hope they throw the book at this moron. She gave a good interview on Canadian TV, about the pipelines and the need for better relations with Canada, an implicit nudge at Obama's anti NaFTA primary comments, said rather nonchalantly. On another note, the defense attorney's except Greta, seemed to be willing to cut Blago some slack. Greta
wasn't buying it, she 'seems to have turned
to the darkside' from some folk's
perspective; Way to go, Greta!

AS usual, the Blog Radio was bubbling at a slow simmer, until Clarice showed out and brought some interesting details from Cannonfire, re the contacts that Blago had
contacts with a member of Obama's entourage;
re the indictment. She showed the proper degree of contempt for Fitzgerald's record
that we've come to know her for. Rich Baehr
seemed to have woken up, at the end; from the provocation. "Hope and Change" and the "Team of Rivals" memes indeed. I like the image of Susan Rice, (and Samantha Power)and Hillary facing off at Foggy Bottom. Rich still thinks the press can redeemed itself; the triumph of hope over experience, I guess. I guess Zell declared Chapter 11, one day too soon. Really they should call it Clarice radio, even if they have to cut it in half.

clarice

WS: Looks like Rezko is really cooperating with the feds:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/12/why_tony_rezko_isnt_blagos_bff_1.asp>Rezko

Elliott

I believe the complaint alleges it was Advisor B (not the President-elect Advisor) who was open to the idea of Blagojevich getting a job with the Change to Win.

clarice

Thanks, Ann, but someone who knows better than I thinks I'm wrong in thinking Fitz wouldn't try to get O if he could.

Ann

Kim,

When I went to school they taught us about photosynthesis, one of the most important things to life on earth.

If we could educate the public that what they and their cute puppy are exhaling and expelling is toxic and bad (according to Obama) and that we have to at least get rid of the puppy and tax the rest, well I think we could win this one.

Elliott

Global Warming is now Global Climate Change (change, change, change)

Yet, Obama is against it. He wants global climate more of the same.

nonetoday

kim: thank you for saying that - sometimes I hesitate to join discussions because I don't write as good as other people but most people here are polite about it. After having the Obama bully brigade call me an idiot and tell me I'm stupid every time I offered my opinion for about a year before the election, it starts to get to you and I'm not even a Republican.

I'm expecting Obama to give a speech tomorrow about this explaining why Axelrod claims he spoke to the governor about who was replacing him when he says he didn't but for some reason the speech will be about racism in this country, why it still exists and how his grandmother crossed the street to the other side if a black man was on it.

I feel bad for her - she worked really hard to give him a better life and you can tell how much she cared about him in that picture of his graduation and he doesn't even take the time to go to her funeral although he had time to go out to dinner with Michelle and he still hasn't gone there for that "memorial service" this month.

clarice

Elliott--here's from cannonfire and I'm sorry I don't have time to do the quotes from the complaint separately from the cannonfire text:
[blockquote]ROD BLAGOJEVICH noted that the President-elect can ask Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and others for money for the organization... Harris [Ney to Blago's Napoleon -- JC] said that funding the 501(c)(4) would be a lot easier for the President-elect than appointing ROD BLAGOJEVICH to a position.
Paragraph 107 states that Blago met with a close Obama adviser -- almost certainly Emmanuel (as we shall see) -- about the 501(c)4 idea.
The advisor asked ROD BLAGOJEVICH if the 501(c)(4) is a real effort or just a vehicle to help ROD BLAGOJEVICH. ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that it is a real effort but also a place for ROD BLAGOJEVICH to go when he is no longer Governor. The advisor said he likes the Change to Win idea better, and notes that it is more likely to happen because it is one step removed from the President-elect.
In other words, this adviser liked the idea of a bribe, but he wanted a slightly different bribe, one that would not be traceable to Obama. ("Change to Win" is a union organization close to the Obama campaign, comprised of unions that quit the AFL-CIO.)
...according to Advisor B , from the President-elect's perspective, there would be fewer "fingerprints" on the President-elect's involvement with Change to Win because Change to Win already has an existing stream of revenue and, therefore, "you won't have stories in four years that they bought you off."
Blago preferred the 501(c)(4) idea because he wasn't sure whether Change to Win would stay in business.

How do I know that the person called "President-elect advisor" was Rahm? Here's how.

On November 13, Blago spoke to John Harris (who plays Robin to Blago's Batman). Blago told Harris to call the above-referenced Obama adviser and ask for "10, 15 million" for the 501(c)(4) project. You know, enough to get started.

ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he wanted "[President-elect Advisor] to get the word today," and that when "he asks me for the fifth CD thing I want it to be in his head."
"Fifth CD" refers to the Fifth Congressional District of Illinois. Only one Obama adviser would have an over-riding interest in that district: Rahm Emmanuel. He currently represents that district, and thus has an interest in his successor.

Let this sink in.[/blockquote]

clarice

Thanks, narciso..after listening to all that gorgeous Latin music today, I'm heading off to bed in a good mood. Niters all.

C.R.

From Byron York: "But of all those questions, perhaps the most intriguing is why prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, whose office had been gathering astonishing evidence implicating Blagojevich and others, went public Tuesday with the criminal complaint and arrest of Blagojevich. Why not let the investigation go on, at least for a bit longer?"

This is Fitzgerald securing his job before January, no?

Ann

Well, for what it is worth Clarice, I think you are correct in your opinion of Mr. Fitz. I have seen nothing to admire him for and he seems to admire himself more than anyone. The distinction between his urgent pressers of Libby and Blago displayed it all to me.

clarice

NYT--the complaint and a precis for dummies that neglects the graph(s) cannonfire cited:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/a-readers-guide-to-the-blagojevich-complaint/?partner=EXCITE&ei=5043>president elect advisors

dk70

I'm with B.York. Why close the investigation when you have other interested parties offering cash for the seat? What happened that made them move so quickly?

Elliott

Here are paragraphs 107 and 108 in full (page 68 of the complaint):

107. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with Advisor B. ROD BLAGOJEVICH discussed with Advisor B his idea for a 501(c)(4) organization. Advisor B stated that he likes the idea, but liked the Change to Win option better because, according to Advisor B, from the President-elect’s perspective, there would be fewer “fingerprints” on the President-elect’s involvement with Change to Win because Change to Win already has an existing stream of revenue and, therefore, “you won’t have stories in four years that they bought you off.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that he likes the 501(c)(4) idea because he knows it will be there in two years when he is no longer Governor, whereas Change to Win might not be.

108. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with one of his Washington D.C.-based advisors. ROD BLAGOJEVICH explained the 501(c)(4) organization idea to the advisor, and that “[the President-elect] gets these Warren Buffett types to [fund it].” The advisor asked ROD BLAGOJEVICH if the 501(c)(4) is a real effort or just a vehicle to help ROD BLAGOJEVICH. ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that it is a real effort but also a place for ROD BLAGOJEVICH to go when he is no longer Governor. The advisor said he likes the Change to Win idea better, and notes that it is more likely to happen because it is one step removed from the President-elect.

If Emmanuel is "President-elect advisor" in the complaint, he was not a participant in these conversations.*
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*Could be "conversation." It looks like the same conversation and there could be an editing error.

Ann

Elliott,

RUSH made another good point today. He said you have to quit listening to what Dear Leader says, but how wonderfully he says it. That is the only important thing you see.

Since, we are cooling we can't have any of that Global WARMING carp. We need Global climate change to go along with Hope and Change. It sounds so smart doesn't it?

RichatUF

CR-

This is Fitzgerald securing his job before January, no?

He could still be fired when Obama's Administration cleans out all the US Attorneys (late Jan early Feb 09). The MSM will cover for him because they'll suffocate the story.

Elliott

What happened that made them move so quickly?

Maybe Blagojevich had decided to appoint himself to the Senate.

JM Hanes

nonetoday:

I'm enjoying your posts too. I think you've got great instincts. All of us probably disagree with someone here on something, (a lot of strong opinions!), but obvious trolls are pretty much the only folks who really get flamed.

Elliott

Mornin', JMH.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

He was so wrong on Libby. He was so wrong on Black. How can he be so right on this?

Because this time he has the conversations between the various parties on tape. In their own voices. There can be no "I don't recalls" or witnesses testifying about conversations that there are no FBI notes to back up testimony.

As to the question of prosecutors raised by others, I've never met a prosecutor who gives a damn about truth or justice. It is all about power and winning. Fitz revels in both.

The State of Illinois legislature is already moving to repeal the law that lets the Governor appt. the successor for O. They want that question off the front pages as quickly as possible.

By the time this goes a couple of weeks, you will be convinced that O does not live in Chicago, has never lived in Chicago, knows no one who lives in Chicago, and that you just imagined that he was the Senator from Illinois.

Walter

Clarice,

I'm with Elliott on the Advisor thing. So far as we can trust Fitzgerald to use a single identifier for each individual he mentions in the FBI affidavit, the Advisor is not Rahm.

Of course, that's not all that far.


My favorite part about this is that it will be virtually impossible for Obama to pardon Rezko until this whole thing plays out. I had been entirely too suspicious that he would pull a Weinberger on us and shut Fitzgerald down too early.

Fun times, I tell you.

Elliott

Sorry about your Tigers, Walter.

Soylent Red

Naw Elliott...just kidding you. From one member of the JOM orchestra to another.

MayBee

kim, I too have often thought Fitzgerald had Aspergers syndrome.

I am having a hard time, as I said earlier, seeing exactly why Blagojevich needed to be treated the way he was.
Even OJ got to call in and let the police know when he was turning himself in.

kim

Happy Birthday, Big Blag. The first commenter, Economist, on HillBuzz's best wishes thread draws a parallel between Carlos Escobar and Obama, and the widows of Columbia and the PUMAs.
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scoopa

Yes Walter - fun times indeed. Other than that little disappointment on Nov.4, this has been the Best.Election.Ever!!!

Anchoress always said it won't turn out to be what it seems to be now. We still have over a month until the King is coronated......

Strawman Cometh

Sara,
Your last paragraph is one for the ages. It will live in Obamamy.
RUF,
This is absolute job security for fitzy, even the zero woldn't dare can him now.

Strawman Cometh

"Obamfamy"

Ann

Good Morning, JMH!

Nonetoday,

Stick around JOM and you will be better for it. Glad to see another person's belief in tolerance and adult discussion. WELCOME to the best group of people that are smart, kind and care about our country. Bring your friends, you will even laugh a lot, too.

Elliott

Soylent—"beautiful and saintly child, friend to all the world" is a phrase I now employ whenever circumstance allows. What a great line.

JM Hanes

Haven't had time to read the Blago filing myself yet, but someone somehwhere mentioned that all the actual charges are for recent, (maybe even post-election?) wrongdoing. I think that's incredibly interesting for all kinds of reasons that my brain is just too tired to try putting on paper tonight. Maybe by tomorrow, someone else will have done it for me! Lots of pieces being moved around this board.

As for Fitz, I believe he starts out already convinced he knows who the real bad guys are and thinks that he's the guy to bring them down. That has a certain streamlining effect when it comes to collecting evidence and following leads. There may be some surprises along the way, but probably not too many.

The trick is figuring out what kind of case you can make and what kind of charges might stick. With Libby & Blago he's not even using crimes that were committed before his investigation started, but the ones that were committed after it commenced.

Elliott

Obamamy.

Thank you for clarifying, SC. He's no friend of mine.

narciso

The scary thing about that comment, Sara, is that it's a little too real to be funny.
Oh and Camille Paglia beat the carp out of Dick Cavett, on a belated response to his NY Times "Wordsmith of Wasilla" slam, at Salon. She's kind of become like Gutfeld,
at Huff Po,the last sane person in the Salon insane asylum; they'll be kicking her off the island soon. Didn't really get into Buena Vista Social club, until they had a snippet of one of their compositions on the X files; very powerful, probably too much, but for my own reasons

JM Hanes

Wow, Elliott, almost missed your piece de resistance! Took a lotta backing up to catch up with you here. Bravo! and Mornin' Maestro!

Walter: I'm impressed with your Mad superscripting Skilz. I never even think to check out Typepad's Typepad Blog.

Mornin' to you too, Ann. Your Halloween Pix Collection was seriously AbFab. I'm in awe of your pumpkins -- and your RIP has a special place in my heart.

Does it sound like everybody's my favorite? I think it does!

Ann

JMH,

Fitz has been investigating Chicago " pay to play" for years. I believe the wire taps happened in the last two and a half weeks. It seems like someone came forward after the election with enough grit to support the very hard to warrant wire tapping of a high official in Chicago. Who that is will be important.

Please feel free to tell me I don't know diddly-squat. :)

MayBee

Does it sound like everybody's my favorite? I think it does!

Well, not everyone.

Uncle BigBad

Obama's 10-ft.-wide lot that has no value to anyone but him reminds me of a scheme Billie Sol Estes devised in the 1960s to acquire hard-to-get cotton allotments. He sold long, narrow strips of land (from a much larger parcel) to farmers (sometimes only 40 ft. wide) on which they placed their cotton allotments. He then paid them rental for growing cotton on their land. However, since such narrow strips of land had value only to Billie Sol, the farmers always defaulted on the purchase payment. They kept the lease payment and Billie Sol kept the land and the cotton allotments. Everybody was happy, except possibly the Agriculture Department.

If Billie Sol was a lot younger, I believe he would fit in nicely as Obama's Agriculture Secretary. (He is, after all, a loyal Democrat.)

JM Hanes

Oh, and I think it would be pretty hard for Obama to move Fitz around when he's got charges on the table and a trial starting up or in progress -- particularly when Obama's name is clearly going to be coming up, even if just in assurances that no, he has not been (directly) implicated in any of the mess. Sound vaguely familiar?

JM Hanes

Ann:

Maybe TeamObama thought that if they could give Blago to Fitz with something current, that might save 'em a lot of future headaches?

JM Hanes

Even if it costs them someone on the current team, that's something that can be fixed. Rahm Emanuel's involvement here, even in snitch capacity of some sort, is definitely not a good thing in the guy who is going to be almost as close to the Prez as the Secret Service. No wonder they're tracking coverage so closely.

Elliott

As I never pass up the chance to use a pun or neologism that is as yet invisible to the internet's Sauronic eye (aka the Brin Machine), I now present:

Blackguardojevich (Blackguardevich)

MayBee

JMH- The problem people as I see it right now are Andy Stern and Valerie Jarrett.
Obama says he didn't know about this, but they were both aware of what was going on.
They didn't tell Obama, for whatever reason.

MayBee

Of course, Andy Stern isn't officially part of the Obama team either.
His being "outed" as a player seems a bit problematic. Obama made all these rules about lobbyists, but of course Stern is the biggest fundraiser/lobbyist of them all (his goals are universal health care and card check).

Elliott

I'd guess this is how they got the wiretaps and bugs (pp.31-2):

59. Since October 2008, the FBI has conducted multiple interviews with Individual A, who is an associate of ROD BLAGOJEVICH and has assisted in campaign fundraising for ROD BLAGOJEVICH.* Individual A has advised agents that he/she has been present for and participated in multiple conversations with ROD BLAGOJEVICH in recent months regarding campaign fundraising. According to Individual A, ROD BLAGOJEVICH and Fundrasier A, who is the chairman of Friends of Blagojevich, are making a strong push to raise campaign funds before a new state ethics law goes into effect on January 1, 2009, that will prohibit any individual or entity with existing state contracts of more than $50,000 from contributing to entities like Friends of Blagojevich. ________________________________
*Individual A is a subject, but not a target, of the criminal investigation concerning activities at the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. Individual A has no criminal history and is not currently providing information to the government as part of any type of cooperation agreement. Individual A’s attorney has indicated that Individual A hopes that the government will provide Individual A with immunity in exchange for Individual A’s truthful information. Individual A has declined the government’s requests to record in-person meetings or telephone conversations with the subjects of the investigation.
Sara (Pal2Pal)

Advice from Matt Cooper:

Former Time Magazine Washington Bureau Chief Matt Cooper remembers his adventures with Patrick Fitzgerald in the Scooter Libby-Valerie Plame-Judith Miller case and has some advice for Gov. Blagojevich.

Shorter version: Suck it up, take a deal for under 7 years and go to a camp. Even though federal prison camps are no longer Club Feds, they beat the socks off being behind the walls at a real federal prison, which is what could happen if you go to trial and lose.

Ann

I think you are on to something, JMH.

Fritz spent two and a half years trying to convict someone in the Plame case after he knew from the start Armitage was the goat.

He abruptly stops any investigation into Chicago "pay to play" when he knows Obama might be involved. Can't piss off the new president elect when your career is on the line. Especially, when you know all those Chicago players are now in the White House.

Again, I know diddly-squat! But I think I am an expert at human nature. My last boss told me I was invaluable because I had "street smarts" vs. the rest of the crowd. He gave me one of his purple hearts when I left the company.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Oh and Camille Paglia beat the carp out of Dick Cavett, on a belated response to his NY Times "Wordsmith of Wasilla" slam, at Salon.

Wasn't that a great piece by Paglia? I just finished posting on it at Pal2Pal. The section on Cavett, priceless. But the whole thing is worth reading.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Blagojevich: Why Did Fitzgerald Act Now?

Byron York thinks he knows.

glasater

Rick--thanks for your link to the current value of the Zeros home. They've taken the best part of a 650,000 dollar haircut since the purchase. Wonder how that's working out on the mortgage payments.
Above--someone listed this link From Tony to Barack that tells quite a story on the transaction.

ric

I posted FROM TONY TO BARACK giving credit to John Bachelor, and was hoping someone who had more talent than I could make it easy to understand. The key aspect of the deal is the restrictive covenant, and although the author(s)cited a document several times in the article, it was never produced. If this story is credible there must be a document somewhere--the smoking gun--either the initial one, or the one disolving it. Moreover, FITZ should have been all over this. ric

bgates

Wonder how that's working out on the mortgage payments.
If he gets behind, he can always bail himself out.

glasater

Thanks ric. If you ever learn the details on the restrictive covenant please give a holler:-)

If he gets behind, he can always bail himself out

bgates--yes he can:-)

Captain Hate

Wasn't that a great piece by Paglia? I just finished posting on it at Pal2Pal. The section on Cavett, priceless. But the whole thing is worth reading

Thanks for that link; I'm always interested in what Camille has to write about anything but her takedown of Douche Cavett was priceless. Can anything be more indicative of how out-of-touch the NYT is than them featuring this geriatric 60s throwback loser feebly grasping for relevance on their "edgy" online carp? Hey Dick, how does Camille's ass taste?

Pagar

Good Morning to All!

Today, the Supreme court is supposed to look at the Wrotnowski case, I wonder if any of the justices might have changed their mind about Obama vs the voters has spoken theory, given yesterday's news story
concerning Chicago and corruption?

kim

I thought it was distributed for conference on the 12th?

I think that if this is an issue where Obama and Posse were a great deal more involved than they are admitting at the moment, and I have no reason to believe that ain't so, then Blag may be like a dirty Libby, but come to harm by his own side. All very sad.
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kim

And doesn't David have his way with words, like 'fondness'.
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kim

Shatteringly poifeck.
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xerocky

I know that I'm not raising the level of discourse here, but were way down toward the bottom of these comments so I'll just let it rip...

"Amrish Mahajan" ?

I mean, Rezko is from Syria...

Jane

Oh, and I think it would be pretty hard for Obama to move Fitz around when he's got charges on the table and a trial starting up or in progress -- particularly when Obama's name is clearly going to be coming up, even if just in assurances that no, he has not been (directly) implicated in any of the mess. Sound vaguely familiar?

I agree with whatshisname on the cruise - the only way is up. Fitz will get promoted to an administrative position.

Finally! Something to get up early for. Good Morning JOMers!

kim

talkingabouttheweather.com
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kim

Bethany Cole does the 'Twelve Days of Global Warming'.
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kim

How about the Look of Dusty?
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kim

Det Norske Non Veritas.
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Pagar

Kim, you're right, it is the 12th. I looked at something wrong, not the first time.

Jane

Clarice,

Where is your podcast? I couldn't find it.

SlimGuy

FDL says it can't be Rahm who put the feds on the case with a discussion of the date of the wire taps and suggests it is somebody who the gov tried to lean on elsewhere in the complaint.

As to the 'mosque' across the street it is attached by a paved area to

Kam Isaiah Israel Nursery School
5039 S Greenwood Ave
Chicago, IL 60615-2805

link

With all the talk of the SEIU and Change to Win, my money is on the guess that one of those Advisors is Anna Burger who is tied to both of them and on the Obama Transition Team.

SlimGuy

I also note that Rahm was the guy who stepped into the IL05 seat after the Gov ran for his current orifice.

Lots of guesses out there trying to put names to the various labels in the complaint.

Some are trying to fit Danny Davis in there somewhere since he was endorsed by the New Party at the same time Obama was.

Pofarmer

I keep thinking back to the coverage of president Bush and the Indian Reservation lobbyist(can't remember the name right now). They had a picture of him shaking hands at some function and tried to make them out as best buds. We have Obama working on Blago's campaign. We have his political advisor saying that he was talking to him about the Senate seat, and the press can't put enough distance between the two of them. It's like they didn't even know each other.

Lily

"Obama's 10-ft.-wide lot that has no value to anyone but him"

No, it would have had value to the person who eventually buys the remaining corner lot.

Captain Hate

Even though Bard College is kind of a nutty institution (I know this having had a daughter attend for a year), Leon Botstein is somebody whose ideas on education I usually consider inspired and, if enacted, would bring true "hope and change". LUN

Extraneus


O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Thy winter's promise, hope and change
A singing Gov', a crime spree o'er
O-rats will hide, and hearts will soar
O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Thy winter's promise, hope and change

O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Adjusting stories thou have brought
Thy branches bearing gifts to love
Not silly plaques or change.gov
O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Adjusting stories thou have brought

O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Thy needles sharp, my hopes have changed
Thy boughs have filled their hearts with fear
A Special Counsel's term is near
O Fitzmas Tree, O Fitzmas Tree
Thy needles sharp, my hopes have changed

centralcal

Jane: See LUN for Rick Moran podcast with Clarice, she comes in about 20 minutes into broadcast.

narciso

Yes, Rezko's from Syria, but his banker was Auchi, the Iraqi Baathist bagman turned philanthropist, and his further ties are to
Al Sammarai, the fugitive electricity minister, who was saying some nice things about the Resistance, until recently. That would seem a much more promising avenue than the 'picayune picadilloes of
Blagojavich, then again that's a much more dangerous path to follow, it would suggest
(perish the thought, will you)that our brand new President elect had foreign backers with less than sterling reputations;
and that can only be done to one candidate every dozen years. (ie; Bush to Bin Laden, & Pharoan, through Bath)but not Kerry to Pharoan through Paul) or Clinton to the Riadis, through Trie & Chung) Or Clinton to Tamraz, one of those pipelineafficionadoes, through Fowler, the DNC chief from South Carolina. Much like investigating Joe Wilson's veracity means trapsing through Rock Creek Partners and his investors the Al Amoudis,

Abramoff, is the name that is tripping off your tongue. Because of his ties to Indian
gaming through Greenberg Traurig, (you want to take a gander at who took money in the early cycle from GT; no peeking now)He was
wrapped up in the whole Sun Cruz Casino struggle with the late Gus Boulos; in part
because of some muscle he hired to run the Casino, ala the DeNiro movie. Of course, it would turn out that one of the characters
would play a part in Boulos's death; but wait for it, this guy was also an FBI
informant. Jack turned out to be a first rate crook, and weasel, and he got out because he snitched on enough people. Because as Jonah put it, American politics specially in the Bush era, have to be as violent as those in Rome, An Abramoff manque was in an episode of Law & Order, where he played a crooked schlub whose duties for a corrupt congressman, played by Bruce McGill of "Animal House", ended up getting his wife killed. That played pretty close to the 2006 midterms, an in kind contribution by NBC, you're so surprised.

Too much hope and change in my book. Oh Clarice, that scene with Hillary and Susan Rice, sounds like that knock out, drag out
fight between Arnold and the terrorist in True Lies, or the reprise with Arnold and the female terminator in the last film; which Arianna took great exception to in the 2003 gubernatorial debate. For real hope and change,( ps; Why does Doris Kearns
Goodwin have any credibility left)the team of rivals, is there anyone of the caliber of Seward in this group, the real
abolitionist, and who we owe Sarah's presence in part to? Wassila is of course a translation of Vassily Petrov from the old country. As I was saying, real hope and change seems to lie outside the 48 states.
One is conflicted once again, one values her efforts, her combativeness, but one feels protective of her, almost insisting
that she's done more than enough, frankly we don't deserve someone of her caliber and integrity. She's back at work, doing the governor's open house, finalizing the pipeline deal, working on health care,

Pofarmer

The interwebs are an amazing thing.

Lyin bastards.

Ill. governor meeting with Obama today

By Carol Sowers
Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.


CHICAGO, ILL. -- Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That's one of Obama's first priorities today.

He's meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement.

There's already been speculation about his selection...from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. of Chicago's south side who co-chaired Obama's presidential campaign, to recently-retired state senate president Emil Jones, to the governor himself.

It's likely the governor will make his decision quickly so the new senator will get some seniority before newly-elected senators take office in January.

Part of the timing depends on when Obama officially vacates his senate seat.

KHQA's Alexis Hunt is speaking with Illinois Senator John Sullivan today about his thoughts on that replacement process, his time working with Obama in the state senate, and if there's a chance Sullivan might play a role in the Obama administration. Watch KHQA News at 5:00, 6:00 and 10:00 p.m. tonight to hear what he has to say.

LUN

Pofarmer

Forgot the LUN

Extraneus

Gee, Po. He's caught lying already?

“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so I was not aware of what was happening,” Obama told reporters [yesterday] in Chicago.

(And thanks, Slim. DrJ mentioned last night that it was a Jewish temple. The "minaret" threw me.)

Rick Ballard

If he actually did meet with Blag on Nov. 5th then Fitz may have a tape. "Scheduled to meet" isn't the same as "met".

He would still be a lying bastard though. That part will never change.

Jane

Thank Centralcal,

Unfortunately it won't go past second 19. There is a real problem with me and technology.

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