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December 21, 2008

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narciso

Yet another disaster that can be chalked up to Elliot Spitzer, For all his faults, Maurice "Ace" Greenberg, would not have cottoned to these types of tactics. Spitzer pretended to be be the Democratic version of Guiliani, but that was a shallow pretense
whose consequences will cost us dearly in the future. The ever more byzantine financial architecture, that peddled there wares in the 90s and the OOs, were so complex as to outrace any realistic attempt to regulate them.

I kind of have to agree with you, Daddy, that a culture of rules and order even in music provides results, whereas disorder promotes chaos and nihilism. Gershwin, Berlin. even Aaron Copland, (which I was acquainted with from ABC's Wide world of sport has a power to evoke feeling you don't get today. Where the demarcation line is hard to establish; but we can clearly see "It's Hard Out There for a Pimp" is not a step forward. A counterintuitive lyric is many ways; it should be hard to for a exploiter of women, a thug, to get ahead. However, the reverse is true, decent people
have to apologize for offending the
culturati's supposedly high end
sensibilities of they will be crushed under a mound of deceit, scatological images, and
embittered omissions. There have been many examples of this; but one clearly comes to mind. The favored clique, call them the Plastics, then forward their own candidate, with nary a complaint, or scarce public
debate. Dare us hoi polli, object we shall be culled, and deemed unworthy of any commentary. The entertainment/gossip axis, far from being apolitical, is even more ruthlessly Stalinist than the political journals themselves.

Rick Ballard

"It's nice out down here, no sign of the super duper economic collapse that Biden predicts, probably people are shopping less, but the local mall was packed, more than I've seen in a long time."

What I'm reading is that everything is 'OK, not great' up to and including Macy's. Above that, not so good. A little overstock problem - look for some killer clearance sales beginning the 26th.

I think it's pretty safe to consider Biden a decent contrary indicator. Things are looking up!

poodlemom

It pains me to show my ignorance, but what in blazes does LUN mean?

It's all over the Internet, but I can't determine its' meaning.

Captain Hate

Link Under Name; it means that a url has been placed in the box under your email address that refers to something in the comment and clicking on the poster's name will access it

Rick Ballard

Link Under Name

Click the commenter's name for the hot link to the cite. Some commenters here have a deep antipathy towards HTML.

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

That's where your critique of the derivative nature of most popcult is very useful. You can shred the 'authenticity' of the phonies pretenses concerning originality as well as anyone I've seen.

peter

Since we have so many folks here who attended ACC schools many moons ago, (Chaco, Captain Hate, etc)


Guilty as charged--- a Cavalier from the 70s. No guitar, though, lots of other music makers.

Anybody remember the Mark Almond band? or Batdorf and Rodney? How about Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks, or the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Captain Hate

Anybody remember the Mark Almond band? or Batdorf and Rodney? How about Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks, or the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Yes, barely , yes and yes.

clarice

For those who asked, my husband is a soft touch who's tipping everyone like mad right now.

glenda waggoner

"Look for some killer sales on the 26th"
Rick--We're going to have to replace our bedroom tv (the girls' crashed, gave them ours) and I have been shopping. Do you praise LCD or Plasma? We have 3 yr old 50"Samsung LCD in den-still fine, but there are some great deals on 32-42" plasma's.
Our den is 1080 but our bedroom prob good at 720(room 18/18) Should I wait?

matt

Dan Hicks is playing nearby in a couple of weeks! Haven't heard them live in 30 years, but listen to "It's not my time to go" omn the ole iPod. Used to listen to mark Almond and Butterfield as well. Have found myself listening to more and more latin (Mexico, Brazil, old school Cuban, Venezuelan) music lately. They still actually play musical instruments and understand melody and good composition.

By the way, Madoff's money went 90% to Dem's, mainly in Congress, and what ho, no one remembers him....

sbw

No plasma. No plasma. Hate to sound eco, but it uses too much juice.

We have a big Samsung LCD and love it.

Rick Ballard

Glenda,

I'd take a 32-42" 720 LCD for a bedroom any day. My understanding is that the 1080 doesn't add much to the under 50" TVs. I'm no tech expert and others are probably much better informed about electronic gadgetry.

hit and run

Glenda! I must confess I didn't honk or yell when passing through Houston.

I did wave, though. Vigorously.

It was 1:30am and mrs hit and run and the kids were asleep -- and I couldn't chance waking them.

But TheVIMH was screaming at the top of his lungs in your direction.

bgates

It pains me to show my ignorance
It shouldn't. I'm not one who thinks there's no such thing as a stupid question (my favorite counterexample: "Should that dog be on fire?"), but there's nothing wrong with being aware of one's own ignorance and acting to eliminate it.

Jane

It's all over the Internet, but I can't determine its' meaning.

If it is all over the internet, I must be famous. Cool.

JM Hanes

Hey, I like "It's Hard Out There For a Pimp," and unless they've been choreographed by Bob Fosse, musicals make my eyes positively glaze over, no offense intended. There's plenty not to like in contemporary lyrics, but rap, like much of the jazz which preceded it, is yet another uniquely American form of music which has come out of the black community, one that is closely related to the rise of slam poetry. I mean, really, who'd have anticipated a thriving culture of poetry?

I wouldn't go back to some former cultural state for anything, no matter how rose colored it might look in retrospect. The 20's? 30's? 40's? 50's? No thanks! I like Italian opera too, but I'd hate to think Puccini produced Mussolini.

Uncle BigBad

Matt

If you like Mexican music, see if you can find songs by Paquita La del Barrio. I came across her electrifying a huge audience on Univision. She's an elderly dumpling sheathed in glitter and made up to here. She could have put down her microphone; her voice was that powerful.

I would classify her music as uptown ranchera, but I suppose it would be called Mexican pop.

narciso

This is part of the 'embedded irony' in the likes of Esquire, GQ and Vanity Fair, you can ad Details for the more metrosexual set to use the triumvirate of entertainment
commentary, They're are clearly directed toward an upscale audience, yet they run not so tongue and cheek pieces on the coming depression; where do they think their
revenue comes from advertiser, who if they follow their lead won't advertise. In addition, they almost have a Nation/Mother Jones conception of politics, focusing on the catastrophe of the Iraq War, the American gulag at Gitmo, etc. Yet if some of these innocent Arab gentleman from the Utaibi, & Quahtani clans were to actually follow through with their plans, in part because they might be offended with the scantily clad women, and the arrogance of opulence, that they show the world. Main Street would likely be devastated and their livelihoods much less their lives will be forfeit. So they extoll those who would make the former circumstance possible and they deride those who would keep them safe,
keep their printing presses running and their servers whirring. The most severe example was the unwarranted slight at the VP
candidate, who they are clearly no match for
so they resorted to the lowest common denominator description. It's ironically in keeping with the male centric vision Kathleen Parker has been plumbing of late.


What to do with a culture that is so anathema to the institutions that allow it to profit and prevail. One recent example was on the upcoming jeremiad on the
inevitability of "Peak Oil" complete with all the apocalypticism that entails from the likes of James Howard Kunstler. That seems so far from our current experience as to stagger belief. Unfortunately the likes of Chu and Salazar, want us relive that rollercoaster for our own good. This is like Dennis Miller's old line re the German unification (If it's like Jerry and Dean, I'm not fond of their earlier work, and I don't relish an encore)

narciso

I'll grant you that some hip hop is good, however when it's more expletive deleted, than actual lyrics, and that attitude almost becomes background noise in many communities; it doesn't have a good effect
The Beattles, the Stones, Clarence Clearwater, the Police still knew how to craft a lyric; that's a lost art nowadays.
As I said, I don't know where the slippery slope started; sometimes after Run DMC and beforre the first chords of Public Enemy descending to Death Row Records, is probably a good bet. I better stop, musci criticism is not my forte.

Laura

JMH,
Here's a snippet for you from a NC native who seems to write music and lyrics derived from a rich southern Scots Irish heritage. There is plenty of good music and lyrics still being written, finding it is another matter.


And in the cotton fields out by the house where I was born
The leaves burn like effigies of my kin
And the trains run like snakes through Pentacostal pines
Filled up with cotton and dime store gin
Oh Jacksonville, how you burn in my soul
How you hold all my dreams captive
Jacksonville, how you play with my mind
Oh my heart goes back, suffocating on the pines
In Jacksonville

PD

Favorite rap lyric (actually, the only one I like):

RAP is a LOAD of CRAP!!

(sung to heavy rap beat)

narciso

Wow, where'd you find that piece of music.

TCOisbanned?

Went to the Eagle Bank bowl. Pretty fun time actually. Even if the squids blew it at the end.

Glad that the good guys beat the Iggles, but bummed we are out of the playoffs. I'm still Zorny horny btw. Portis is a very good back and I love how he blows up DEs, but he needs to lock it up, come to practice, stay in the game until he's pulled out and just get with the program. No more prima donna.

Porter

I'm listening to Paul Desmond right now.

I have a tough time with rap.

Butterfield, yep, got some of that too. And a turntable.

Thomas Collins

Yes, Dr. J, I fess up to shopping this afternoon instead of watching the Patriots cream the Cardinals. If I swill a can of Gansett tomorrow at work, am I restored to "guydom?" :-))

Dave
I'm consoling myself with a Cabernet, salad and spaghetti and meatballs at the Atrium Mall

Oh, so you're the one who shops there.

Dave

Re: Paul Butterfield, check out this trainwreck of a performance (not on Butterfield's part, though).

PD

Obama short on Southerners in Cabinet appointments (LUN)

But Jor should approve since he despises the South.

Thomas Collins

The folks wrapping the gifts on Level 1 for the charity are great, Dave.

NY Giants are about to clinch the top seed in the NFC.

Just clinched the top seed. Brandon Jacobs TD in overtime.

hrtshpdbox

"I better stop, musci criticism is not my forte."

I can see that; for me, the reference to "Clarence Clearwater" is where you tipped your hand.

DrJ

If I swill a can of Gansett tomorrow at work, am I restored to "guydom?" :-))

*grin* That's one I don't know. How about a Genesee Bock? Green can, goat with a flower in its mouth. There's no claim that "it's the water."

Thomas Collins

Narragansett Lager Beer used to be brewed in Cranston, RI. It disappeared for awhile, but has reappeared (I think the Cranston brewery has been shut for awhile, and I don't know where it is being brewed now).

I've never tried Genesee Bock. I'll have to try it. My favorite brew is Bass Ale.

Off to slumber with visions of beer and snow swirling in my head.

bgates

rap, like much of the jazz which preceded it, is yet another uniquely American form of music which has come out of the black community
Frank Marshall Davis, Kwame Kilpatrick, Deval Patrick, William Jefferson, Charlie Rangel, and the President elect and his spiritual mentor are uniquely American products of the black community too. Hardly a defense. Most rap, including your favorite number, reads like an attempt to prove that Nathan Bedford Forrest, Strom Thurmond, and Robert Byrd (to mention some uniquely American products of the white community) thought too highly of black people.

Fithian

I love ya bgates, but that's just silly -- as is the idea that Pimp is my "favorite number."

Daddy

Porter,

I recall reading the liner notes on an old Paul Desmond album where he said his goal was to make his instrument sound like a Dry Martini. A goal worth aiming for!

JMH,

I envy you living in the Piedmont. Not to diss the moderns, but blind Doc Watson near Boone is a phenomenal talent, and if you haven't yet caught him in a small venue doing Bluegrass and hundred year old Hillbilly ballads, please make sure you do. It's also interesting to me that Europe remains so much more in thrall of our classic American Jazz than we seem to. On any ride in the taxi in Paris I just ask for jazz, the driver punches the FM, and voila', there is Billy Holiday or Oscar Peterson, or Sarah or Ella etc. Don't know if it's true, but am told that it is a result of our Cold War Radio Free Europe broadcasts in the 50's, pumping that cool American stuff out to the hipster youth in Europe, while we at home passed on to country, Elvis, Beach Music and Rock. Wish we could still succesfully pass on that stuff to a new generation of un-hipster youth currently burning down Stockholm.

DrJ

My favorite brew is Bass Ale.

Personally, I go more for the bitter ones, so Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is my regular (their other ones are good too).

Genesee Bock is an acquired taste -- it was local in Rochester when I lived there, and so was available an inexpensive. It's not the best bock beer, by any means. If you are interested, see http://www.history.rochester.edu/class/beer/genny.htm

Soylent Red

FWIWWAM...

We have a decent crop of singer-songwriter types springing up all over the country. The key is to look to forms of music that derive from folk and bluegrass.

Ryan Bingham and M. Ward are two very clever lyricists/songwriters with nice hooky songs you can hum. Give 'em a listen.

For rhyme and pith, you will never, ever, top Bob Dylan. I still get a kick out of rediscovering his lyrics after listening to him for almost 25 years.

Ann

I have dozens of southern pecan crecent cookies if anyone wants to come over and have a couple. A pound of butter rolled in powdered sugar with pecans and a hint of almond. Good Morning!

This is so good I just can't link it. It got me through the last batch of cookies..laughing. The Rosett Report at Pajamas Media has a new version of Kipling for Blago A Kipling Ode to Blagojevich :

If …. Kipling Only Knew

If you can keep your job while all about you
Are fielding bribes and blaming it on you,
If you can duck the Feds while all men doubt you,
And bleep-ing show the charges are untrue,
If you can fight and not be tired by fighting,
Or, being wiretapped, profess surprise,
Or argue that there will be no indicting
Because it’s all a bleep-ing pack of lies.

If you can scheme - but never scheme in writing,
If you can talk - but not from your home phone,
If you can face the press and keep reciting
That truth is on your side, though you’re alone;
If you can bear to hear the bleeps you’ve spoken
Quoted on Fox TV and “Meet the Press”
Or watch that Senate seat become a token
Of all the things they’d like you to confess

If you can just accuse them all of spinning
And quote a bit of Kipling on the way
And comb your hair and somehow keep on grinning
And tell them no one ever paid to play;
If you can force them to accept your own rights
To publicly refuse this bitter cup,
And fight them till you’ve drained yourself of sound bites,
Except the Will to say to them: “Shut up!”

If you once walked with Rezko and Obama
Or spoke with Jesse Junior and with Rahm
If you can overcome this legal drama,
If you can show that no one greased your palm
If you can take that Senate seat and fill it
With someone who will swear you’re not a knave
Yours is the Land of Lincoln, and yet still it
Will have Kipling rolling over in his grave.

Ann

I should of added that I quit making them into crescents eight years ago.:) (that is only the name of the cookie... handed down from a very patriotic southern family)

Fithian

I'll make a point of it, Daddy. I have a weakness for fiddlers myself, but, alas, can't dredge a single name out of the memory bank.

I turned on my car radio mid-song awhile back (can't recall which number either, but it was a classic) and remember thinking that it was the most perfect rendition I had ever heard, and I really mean absolutely perfect. I just knew it was Nina Simone, not because I actually recognized her voice, but because my daughter was crazy about her and had started buying Simone CD's back when she was in prep school. And I thought, now I know why! It takes a really, really long time for music to die, it mostly just goes in and out of vogue or influences later musicians in largely unidentified ways. I, personally, think the culture produces the music, not vice versa. I'd bet plenty of reprobates love/loved Gershwin et al too.

I wonder if Jazz which grew up, from visible roots, in the States, essentially hit Europe full blown -- a sort of deus ex machina effect. Folks were singing the blues here at home; in Europe, they were the very definition of exotic and glamorous in an entirely different milieu and, as a result, exerted an entirely different kind of influence on the European imagination (and music as well?).

Fithian

I love those crescent cookies, Ann! The powdered sugar just melts in your mouth. But I've got to go pack.

Ann

JMH, Go pack!!! I hope you have a safe trip and a very Merry Christmas!!

glasater

Here is a comparison between the most recent Spengler column and a comment made by Cathyf this past October during the financial meltdown.
In fact, I would submit that Spengler was reading JOM and had been pondering Cathf's comment for a time.

From Spengler:

Americans luxuriated in a trillion dollars a year of capital inflows. The aging savers of Europe and Japan viewed American markets (and American brick and mortar) as a source of returns in a moribund world, while the newly prosperous savers of China and the emerging world saw America as a safe haven. The world threw money at Americans, and Americans threw the money into a housing bubble. The idea was absurd that Americans could fund their collective retirement by bidding up the price of each others' houses and then cash out at the same moment. But it was no more absurd than Madoff's claim to make a steady 10%-15% by trading illiquid stock options.

Versus Cathyf:

Anyway, my concern is that in these waves of throwing money at bad investments the only thing which seems to be changing is the current fad of bad investments. Before giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, we were giving money to people to sell pet food on the internet. What worries me is that I seriously wonder if the root of the problem isn't simply that there is too much capital chasing too few good investments, and so the excess capital is going to have to go to bad investments. Doing things like fixing the subprime mortgage problem still doesn't fix the root problem -- which is that the only way to stop making bad investments is if we can come up with more good investments.


Daddy

The Last Slave In America

Since we're babbling about music and this is an open thread tonight, allow me to relate a fascinating story I learned of recently which might interest you folks. If you already know about it, apologies.

In Neurologist Oliver Sack's "An Anthropoligist on Mars", his excellent book of bizarre mental case studies, he briefly mentioned how a well to do Pre-Civil War family in the South in about 1850 purchased a female slave cook who had just had a little baby. The baby was blind and apparently autistic, which in those days meant it was essentially an idiot, so they kept him around the house and basically treated him like the family dog. This Colonel Bethune had some young daughters who were taking piano lessons, so while the slave mother worked in the kitchen, young Blind Tom would sit on the floor next to the piano as the girls played. Eventually he was introduced to the keyboard, and in that unfathomable way of the true autistic savant, very quickly he was able to play like a virtuoso.

As he developed, and possessing a sort of photographic memory, he was almost always able to flawlessly reproduce, after a single hearing, any piece of any complexity he was exposed to. By the late 1850's the Colonel was making tons of money off miraculous Blind Tom Bethune, and in 1860 at age 11 he played at the White House for the President. During the Civil War he toured the South making money for the Confederacy, and was somewhat famous for a show stopping tune he composed called The Battle Of Manassas (or Bull Run, for any Yankee's reading this.)

After the war the Colonel continued promoting Blind Tom across Europe and the States, much like an early Colonel Tom Parker and Elvis, though unfortunately Blind Tom never got any of the $750,000 the Colonel made off him before he died. After that, he spends the next 20 years being shuffled around like a cash cow amongst competing promoters, and the ownership question of him becoming ugly and infamous enough for at least 1 newspaper in New York, 20 years after the Civil War, to refer to Tom as "The Last Slave In America." He died in Hoboken about 1900. Mark Twain saw him a number of times, became a hugh fan, was awestruck, and considered him 'an unexplainable anomaly of unearthly ability'.

Never having heard of any of this, I was immediately fascinated by the guy, and interested in the possibility of whether his original stuff might have had any unusual rhythms or such unorthodox melodies, etc, for that day and age, that they might have had any significant influence on the folks who eventually wound up giving us Ragtime or proto-Jazz. Then I found that some of his music exists today and is easily available on any decent google site. Start off by Googling "Blind Tom Bethune", or "Blind Tom and Mark Twain", etc to get started, and have your headphones handy.

Anyhow, what prompted this was the question asked way up above about whether music drives culture or culture drives music? Or possibly both. In a pre-mass media age, Blind Tom, from the platform provided by the notoriety of his unexplainably bizarre ability, could, if his music was unique and catchy enough, almost have acted the role of a cultural mutation, unexpectedly introducing new rhythms to the folks that could have then pushed those sort of rhythms through the culture. (Sort of like that Mule character from Isaac Asimov's Foundation novels).

Whatever, the Guiness is talking now, and after having listened to some of Blind Tom's music, from my jaded ears I don't think he had any significant effect. But it is always worthwhile to remember that Stravinsky's premier performance of "Rite of Spring" had them fainting and rioting in the aisles in 1903, just like swooning teenage gals passing out to the 'Mop Top's from Liverpool in 1964. That only makes sense after thinking retrospectively about what was normal in 1902 or 1963. And remember how scary "The Exorcist" was in 1973? Almost as scary as the length of this posting...an In A Gadda Da Vida of nonsense. Good nite.

PeterUK

"Should that dog be on fire?"),That is why the pyrophllic canine lives by a lake.

pagar

Good Morning to all!
What is it with the dog on fire bit?

clarice

My mom used to make those crescent cookies. I always thought they were Hungarian for some reason--I think she used walnuts, not pecans.

Cathy is a genius. If Spengler's stealing from her, that just proves he's smart.
Good morning,JOM!!

narciso

Someone should have pointed out, if the 'dog's on fire', put it out, maybe the same should have been made of this thread,
kidding of course, I found out about some musical selections I didn't know of before.
Morning all, hrtshbox, what does that even mean; you knew I meant Creedence Clearwater;
it wasn't a 'FDR on TV in '29 type gaffe' I'm surprised so little was made of it,
versus you know whose supposed gaffes. Than again if you don't know or care about the answer it's not a gaffe at all.

Glasater, touches on a wider point, how did so much of the investment portfolios end up in subprime backed derivatives and other instruments; to the point fo 10 types the global GDP. One is tempted to say, that the hired Bialystok & Bloom from the "Producers"
The short answer is it was easy, it doesn't take all the actual research, planning, development of new projects; when you can just issue new paper, on old property. I don't know if new regulations could really
help, but some careful examination might help check the problem.

PeterUK

"What is it with the dog on fire bit?"

The burning issue of the day.

Porter

Good morning-

Daddy- I'm doing specific, personal, research on Altoists, Art Pepper vs. Paul Desmond. For swing factor, it's Pepper. Ballads are owned by Desmond.

JMH- Jazz fiddle? Stephane Grappelli (always 1st in my eyes), Stuff Smith, Johnny Frigo (the late Chicagoan!).

Bluegrass- Vassar Clements, Johnny Gimble, Andy Stein, just to name a few. I'm very partial to Asleep At The Wheel.

Fun stuff to listen to!

centralcal

Good morning. Everybody all ready for Christmas?

I see I missed pithy discussions on music and culture, beer, crescent cookies (yum) and dogs on fire.

Clarice's piece at PJM on Felt got an instalaunch, too.

Alas, it is back to work for me today and tomorrow, but I will be checking back in for the unique holiday spirit here. grin

Sounds like Zero is gonna exonerate Rahm, or attempt to. Not surprising.

Neo

Apparently even Barney "financial meltdown" Frank is picking on Obama.

I guess we should follow his example.

clarice

Thanks for the tip, cc..
I'm rustling up food for the next couple of days--we'll go grocery shopping after the holidays.
Cinnamon raisin muffins in the oven, focaccia rising for the bake..I pulled some chicken out of the freezer and I'll make roast chicken with pancetta (actually bacon there's no pancetta in the house) and olives for dinner.
Low on veggies so I'll make some sauteed tomatoes and garlic with it..

cathyf
For rhyme and pith, you will never, ever, top Bob Dylan. I still get a kick out of rediscovering his lyrics after listening to him for almost 25 years.
The first time I read through that, I read it as "pitch" rather than "pith" and I thought, "Oh, no, Soylent is tone deaf!"

(Every time Dylan comes on the radio my husband shakes his head and mutters, "who told that man he can sing?" I suppose that is really proof of Soylent's point -- the lyrics have such heft that it somehow makes up for the (severe!) defects in pitch.)

centralcal

Sauteed tomatoes, garlic and olive oil make a wonderful sauce for fresh pasta (try linguine), too. I use it as a side dish with chicken frequently.

2hieurope

The Pope is trying to justify lucifer's miracles with science. He won't say miracles are bad and Saints are damned. He won't because he's the Pope and people parted seas and stuff. Someone lower down might.

I'd use the tomatoes and garlic on the focaccia and call it an Italian pizza.

sbwaters

Mornin' all...

I'm in sheer panic. My Amazon Prime gives me free shipping and delivery before Christmas if I order before 11:30 AM... but I can't think of anything to order or anyone to order for. I'm sitting here poised over the Enter key, wondering if I need an intervention... but the fact that I wonder probably means that I don't need one. Maybe I should just turn to the piles on my desk and get back to work. ;-)

cathyf

A variation is to use the "fresh cut" canned tomatoes. Saute onion & garlic in olive oil, then open the can and squeeze out just the tomato juices into the pan. (The tomatoes stay back in the can.) Add red wine, and boil the pan to reduce the sauce way down (while the pasta water is heating up and then while the pasta is cooking.) Whenever the pan gets almost dry, add some more wine. When the pasta is drained and in the bowl, add the tomatoes to the pan and stir briefly to heat and to coat with the wine/tomato water glaze, and spoon the sauce over the pasta.

Jane

I'm looking out on a foot and a half of snow outside my window; no wonder I overslept, it's like an untouched blanket.

I guess more is expected on Christmas Eve Day. That probably means the guest will arrive early. Oh dear.

centralcal

2hieurope: My Italian relatives always made "pizza" that way. Always two pizzas, one red (as in your tip), one white (olive oil, herbs, grated parmesan/romano blend cheese)always with the focaccia base. They never called it focaccia, always called it pizza. Go figure.

centralcal

Hey techies:

What is Blu-ray?
What is Twitter?

Why would I want either one?

bgates

ccal - Blu-ray is one of the newer DVD technolgies. There was a "format war" for a while there (remember VHS vs Beta for VCRs?), and Blu-ray might have won. If you're someone who watches DVDs and bemoans the crappy, lifeless picture, you may want Blu-ray.

Twitter is for people who don't have the attention span to read/write blogs. 150 characters per entry for Twitterers to pack the minutiae of their lives. If you're someone who wants to tell the world what you're doing at 10:02, you may want Twitter.

peter

Andy Stein now plays with Vince Giordano's Nighthawks, an experience not to be missed if you are into jazz history. Vince plays all the great stuff from the twenties and thirties using original charts, authentic instruments-- it sounds just like listening to those old 78s R. Crumb was always babbling about, except that there is no distortion.

Jane

If you're someone who wants to tell the world what you're doing at 10:02, you may want Twitter.

LOL

clarice

Thanks, cc and cathy..I have some wonderful applewood smoked bacon which is going to have to double for the pancetta and some kalamata olives that will substitute for the oil dried olives..I have some lovely small vine on tomatoes still good enough to use for the saute, but before they showed up in the winter markets I always used good canned ones for cooking.

As for focaccia/pizza. I find you can do everything with focacia that you can do with pizza and it's much easier. Indeed, the blitz focaccia recipe from King Arthur flour is almost as good as the far more complicated ones in Carol Fields celebated book on the subject. I told my three y.o. grand daughter when we made it that this was just another kind of pizza...and the second day when there was still some left, we sliced it in half, tucked in some thin sliced tomato, prosciutto and mozarella and grilled it in her mom's panini maker..She said it was delicious and she has a very fine palate.

Appalled

JMH:

Interestingly, probably the first full blown jazz record was recorded in London in 1915. (Some string band found their way over there, and got recorded. The recording is somewhere on redhotjazz.com) Jazz was further introduced in Europe by players in James Reese Europe's military band during WW I. American black musicians -- Sydney Bechet beng the most significant jazz figure -- came to Europe (particularly Paris)in the 20s and toured. Some stayed (Josephine Baker being the most famous). Nevertheless, a lot of the influence of jazz on European musicians was through records. (But, in the 30s, Benny Carter and Coleman Hawkins, really very significant jazz figures, spent a long tme in Paris, only just getting out before WWII. Their recordings with Django Reinhardt are a blast.)

If you are looking for jazz string players, Stephanie Grapelli is great, and quite ubiquitous. But also excellent, an the grandaddy of jazz on the violin is a fellow named Joe Venuti, who recorded extensively in the 20s and 30s, and made comeback in the 70s. Venuti's work with Eddie Lang in the 20s influenced Grappelli and Django Reinhardt, and has a very distinctive sound.

If you are looking at points where jazz and blues crossover internationally, you might also want to try ut the guitar playing of guitarist Oscar Aleman, who recorded in Paris and Buenos Aires. The Buenos Aires recordings have both a French and a Western Swing sound that is pretty unique.

PD

I'm sitting here poised over the Enter key, wondering if I need an intervention.

Prime membership does have that effect, yes.

Take heart, you're not alone in this affliction.

Captain Hate

Jazz fiddle? Stephane Grappelli (always 1st in my eyes), Stuff Smith, Johnny Frigo (the late Chicagoan!).

More contemporary: Mark Feldman, Billy Bang, Regina Carter, Leroy Jenkins (deceased), Mary Oliver, Charles Burnham, Charlotte Hug (viola) and Dan Warburton.

Bluegrass fiddlers: Pendleton Vanderver (Bill Monroe's "Uncle Pen"), Chubby Wise, Charlie Cline, Bobby Hicks and the best of them all, Bob Wills. Three contemporary good'uns are Alison Kraus, Michael Cleveland and Mark O'Connor.

clarice

PRime--is wonderful. It has given me hours of free time that otherwise had to be spent shopping for presents and boring necessities.

Now, sbw, if you can't think of anyone to buy for there's always _-ahem MOI.

On a super duper deal last week that lasted for 4 hours, I bought my grand daughter a Pleo dino..something that in the history of the world is just possible in 2008--well, maybe it could have been made a few years earlier but it would have cost a small fortune then ..

kim

I wonder if Bethune and Gottschalk ever played together.
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narciso

God I'm getting hungry with all that food talk; I'm probably have to get a slice of pizza or something today when I go down to Little Havana; sadly they don't make good cuban sandwitches or even media noches anymore, what fresh hell is this!. My first bout of musical criticism was snarked upon, that's fine. I stayed away from the Sunday Courtier shows except for the Cheney Wallace match, Because I didn't want to lose my breakfast. You're probably write, I don't think I'd fare well on twitter (you think) and texting just isn't my bag either. Something else that sets me aside from my age cohort.

More indications of why this is going to be a long four years, and it seems like everybody else is on crazy pills; hell I'm no good at this, it's the Human Events interview with Sarah, I found through Ace.
You're right, you guys read me too well. Is it time to get help?

centralcal

bgates, before I rush out the door to go to work, can you tell me if I need to replace my dvd equipment in order to play blu-ray?

Twitter is just for Twits then? I figured as much.

clarice

Don't tell me that about Little Havana, Narciso. You're breaking my heart.

Captain Hate

Appalled, that's an impressive synopsis. Later on the beboppers like Kenny Clarke, Dexter Gordon and Johnny Griffin spent significant time in Europe as did many of the subsequent avant-garde musicians like Anthony Braxton and Roscoe Mitchell, often in their cases because they were stationed there in the military.

Did you ever see Benny Carter play? I saw him once at the Chicago Jazz festival in the early 80s leading a big-band of local studio musicians in a most impressive performance.

boris

A Blu-ray DVD player is necessary to play Blu-ray disks. The term Blu-ray referes to the laser used to read the high density recording.

Strawman Cometh

caught a few moments of a CNN morning show. The hostess informed us that Bristol's maybe MiL was arrested for possesion of a controled substance - Oxycondin "also known as Hillbilly Heroin" and reminded us that this was drug Rush Limbaugh was abusing.

This reminded me of these other reminders:
"... Bushmill's, that's the whikey that Teddy was drinking before driving Mary Jo off the Chappaquiddick bridge "
or
"... cocaine. That's the drug Barry was dealing during his "lost" Columbia years."
I'm sure you can

Strawman Cometh

I'm sure you can come with other reminders.

clarice

When does it stop being Sunday already?

BobS

Wow...I'm getting great lessons in music from my fellow neocons. Tell more.

narciso

Sadly so, Clarice, at least at the flagship of the business, Latin American Restaurant, other places make them ok, but they don't live up to the standard anymore. I'm sure there are exceptions, Versailles cafe, is always top notch in most everything, I know,it's like having weak pizza in Little Italy.

PeterUK

"Daddy- I'm doing specific, personal, research on Altoists, Art Pepper vs. Paul Desmond. For swing factor, it's Pepper. Ballads are owned by Desmond."

What no Charlie Parker? Even Michelle could be proud of him.

Captain Hate

BobS, I usually confuse a lot of my moonbat friends by knowing significantly more about that type of music than they do, reducing them to sputtering "But you conservatives aren't supposed to be that open minded..." Stereotype much?

The weirdest ones are the Brit improvs who range from hard-core socialists to out-and-out Stalinists. Love the music not the musician. To their credit, they're not in it for the money; they play because, in the words of John Lee Hooker, "It's in 'em and it's got to come out."

Back to Europe, one of the most fertile jazz scenes is in Amsterdam with what they call New Dutch Swing. Most of it was spearheaded by older guys like Misha Mengelberg and Han Bennink who backed up Eric Dolphy when he recorded and toured (and died) there. But they've been playing some amazing stuff going back to the late 60s.

bgates

I'm sure you can come with other reminders.
...vast amounts of LSD, the substance 53% of the electorate appeared to imbibe before voting this November.

narciso

See, Strawman, that was your first mistake, the chances of them actually getting a fact right, is close as next to zero, with a hundred percent Democrat spin. This is Tom Johnson's network, the other pledge with Trent Lott, at Ole Miss; who followed the PBS track into the big time. Well it's still Ted Turner's network, the one who had the nerve to compare the US and Afghan campaigns negatively toward the US, who compared Putin's KGB career to the FBI; a Russian Mark Felt?

PD

When does it stop being Sunday already?

There's a new thread, so now.

Porter

PUK-

Hard Bop is a separate branch for me.

Currently, I'm revisiting West Coast Cool, hence the Desmond/Pepper venture, some Bud Shank as well.

Captain Hate

Chet Baker too, I'm sure.

Rocco

Just when you think you've heard it all. Cousin Kerry stumping for Caroline. "We live in a country where one out of every five girls is sexually assaulted by the time she’s 21."

Howie Carr

BobS

Captain Hate; AMSTERDAM? You brought up AMSTERDAM? That den of leftist utopian slop? Wow. Your putting your street cred as a Neanderthal at risk.

BobS

I've come to the conclusion that "post partisan" when referencing Zero really is code for "agreeing with CV liberalism" Barney Frank's outrage over Rick Warren confirms it. If McCain had asked Rev Wright to offer prayer, Frank probably would have called McCain courageous.

Of course I'm probably a little behind the rest of you on this.

Appalled

CH:

I missed out on that, more's the pity. Carter was a phenomenon - unfortunately, he seems to have been reticent about talking about his life.

Never could get into bop. When one gets through all the abstract chord changes, the essential message often comes down to "I have ennui with making everyone dance". If musicans are going to be that way about thing, I'll turn on the Louis Jordan, Rosetta Tharpe, Elvis, and so on down...

(I do like Charlie Parker, though, a lot of Dizzy illespe is fun, and a lot of Miles Davis is surprisingly beautiful, given that, as a human being, he was an unregenerate creep.)

Captain Hate

BobS, it's funny that I've only been there once, on a layover a couple years ago when travelling to New Delhi for my daughter's wedding. I thought I'd go through their huge airport and see if I could find some stuff that doesn't get exported but, like most airports, they carried nothing but crap. Lots of porn though....

Anyway the other distinctive aspect of the airport was the number of nicotine slaves congregated around the smoking areas; so much that I swear it would register on an infra-red scanner on a spy satellite.

You should try to find some mp3 samples online for the ICP Orchestra or Willem Breuker Kollektief. The ICP plays a lot of versions of Ellington, Monk and Herbie Nichols songs plus even Mrs Hate enjoys Breuker's music. Just don't tell me it reminds you of Frank Zappa; I almost get violent when I hear people say that....

Jane

I love Howie Carr. If there was a radio guy I'd like to model myself after, it would be him.

PeterUK

"The weirdest ones are the Brit improvs who range from hard-core socialists to out-and-out Stalinists. Love the music not the musician. To their credit, they're not in it for the money".

These are the Arts Council rent seekers,if it were not for the subsidised performances there would be no gigs.Many fine musicians,but no audience.That is why it is called Free Jazz.

MayBee

"We live in a country where one out of every five girls is sexually assaulted by the time she’s 21."

I heard when she said that. The interviewer didnt' challenge her. Can you believe it?

clarice

Actually, Rocco, I think one of the reasons Uncle Ted persuaded Sweet Caroline to run was because the likely nominee, Cuomo, did the unthinkable, he attacked Kerry for her conduct during their marriage.

There's a price that must be paid for breaking the code of silence.

clarice

If you really want to know about music, esp British popular music, you could have no better guide than PUK. He's quite famous you know.

Captain Hate

Appalled, yeah there was a transition from jazz becoming dance music to listening music that shook some people out and added others. To me that doesn't get emphasized enough except for maybe Ken Burns' sociology stories being passed off for history.

Benny Carter was one of my favorite artists ever because he spanned so many eras and kept producing high quality music the entire time. When I saw him he was about 80 and still going strong. He must've lived through horrible discrimination but never complained a bit that I heard; the glass was always half full.

When I saw him he was mostly playing charts from his record "Further Definitions" which must've been a blast for the other musicians, who he praised abundantly after every song. A magical evening.

I completely concur with your Miles Davis description.

sbwaters

-ahem MOI.

Gosh, Clarice, thanks for the suggestion. Oh! Look at the time! I guess I should have checked back on the thread before 11:30. Then I might have Amazon Primed you a small token of appreciation. Guess we'll have to wait until next year. ;-)

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