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January 01, 2009

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kim

Sarah is going to be able, and rightly, to connect all future economic malaise and catastrophe to the error of pursuing carbon demonization. We are cooling, folks, for how long even kim doesn't know. Sometimes kim thinks Israel will be rebuilding Palestine before it starts warming up again.
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clarice

Great ad. Though it's clear I need more Pilates time.

matt

The Germans are probably the most corrupt businessmen in the Western world. It seems every time you find a dictator or repressive regime, there are the German multinationals (and some French) just cozying up. It would be interesting to try and triangulate some of their major deals around the world and see where the money paths lead. Libya, Iraq, China, Africa, the ME....plenty of targets....

clarice

I think Power Line dismisses the Iseman case too facilely--ignoring even the paper's own ombudsman said the paper ran with the story with insufficient evidence to back their clear insinuations and the record is also clear that other papers which had what the NYT did refused to run with the story for that very reason.

I think this will be a fine time to clip the wings on NYT v Sullivan which went too far anyway--and to carry it over to innocent bystanders like the plaintiff is preposterous.

Rick Ballard

Kim,

Have you seen Roy Spencer's piece today? It's a nice bit of sarcasm and compliments his post yesterday. I think he's very serious about the challenge he made.

It's time to put a fine edge on Ockham's Toothbrush.

kim

HillBuzz has a great phrase referring to the Obama administration, 'Toking on Hopium' in a discussion of the Russian cut-off of Ukrainian gas. He sees the restriction as a move to provoke to Ukrainians into an action that the Russians can use as a pretext for a move against the Crimea.

By the way, he claims the Ukraine has at least two weeks of gas stockpiled, but elsewhere I've read that they have enough to last until April.
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kim

Yes,Rick, I remember only recently at Climate Audit of remarking that we not only don't know the magnitude of the water vapor feedback, but we don't even know the sign of it for sure. I was chastized, but now the evidence seems clear. I've long thought that the feedback is variable, depending upon need to return to a homeostatic center, but am not the scientist to explore or explicate it.

Pielke Pere, too, is on a tear about media misrepresentation of climate at climatesci.org
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kim

And thanks, haven't read Roy's bit today, but ran across reference to it. M. Simon is commenting a bit at CA, hope he returns. Leif Svalgaard and Jeff Id have been banned by Tamino at 'Open Mind'. Watt's Up in in holiday spirit. Who needs football.
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kim

Right, Rick, the challenge is key. Roy Spencer not only has a profoundly skeptical point of view but he also has intimate access to one of the most powerful contemporary research tools about climate, the microwave sensing of the atmosphere by satellite. His data and interpretation really expose the great flaw of the climate models, that is error in the assumptions about the magnitude and sign of the feedback of water vapor to the initial CO2 forcing. That's why I've been repeating for years, now, my little ditty:

I think I've never heard so loud
The quiet message in a cloud.
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bad

Record snowfall in Green Bay, Wisconsin for the month of December. All that global warming and water vapor is falling on them as icy precipitation.

LUN

narciso

Yes I quite agree, yet another sign that we're in Heinlein's "Crazy Years" when carbon dioxide, not monoxide, was designated
a pollutant. That the products of our advanced civilization itself, are deemed as evil. That's the thinking of Lubchenko and the other members of the incoming brain
trust. That scares me more than Roubini's claptrap. Reilly and then Hanson, were allowed to spread these lies, starting twenty years ago. The irony that anyone would think Hanson's been silenced, you can't shut this guy up. I hate to be a downer this early in the year, but this would be the reason.

Hasn't the whole point of Sullivan being missed, that people shouldn't suffer consequences for telling the truth. The whole thing has become an incentive to lie without consequence. I don't have to point
the signal consequence of that.

kim

narciso, if you haven't read much of Vaclev Klaus, you should.

Look at me making reading suggestions to narciso, and Soylent, heh. I assure you, that is not a resolution.
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JM Hanes

Maybe I wouldn't be heading into Sarah fatigue territory if folks were actually talking about her politics and her real strengths and weaknesses as a governor instead of worshipping at the altar and singing to the choir. Otherwise, I'm afraid my eyes have already started to roll and will soon be glazing over entirely.

bad

That the products of our advanced civilization itself, are deemed as evil.

That brings to mind the idea of a baby as punishment for a mistake.

C.R.

Senator Bill Clinton...could the New Year possibly have that much goodness in store?

kim

He wants to be the Senator from Turtle Bay.
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kim

People aren't talking much about Sarah's politics because she is not. I'm pretty sure she is letting her political impressions ferment while her political judgement sits back and digests it all. Her instincts are impeccable. We'll have to wait and see. Eventually, they'll have to get off her wardrobe or her relatives if only from embarrassment.
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bad

The alumni association of the University of Michigan is guaranteed $25.5 million over the term of its 11-year agreement with Bank of America. Under the agreement, the association agreed to provide lists of names and addresses of students, alumni, faculty, staff, donors and holders of season tickets to athletic events.

A bank spends millions to get info in order to make loans to people who don't yet have jobs. Is any of this stupidity changing with the bailout? Our son recieves at least three credit card offers per week.

clarice

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/sarah-palin-most-desirable-celebrity-neighbor-poll/17003?nc

MayBee

I agree, Maybee; the trouble is that the NCAA already has a *great* playoff system in place for Divs 2 & 3. They can blah-blah all they want about "too many games" or whatever casuistry-du-jour they're using; it's all about money for the bowl cities.

Oh, I'm just the opposite. I'm a bowl girl, not a play-off girl.
I preferred it the old fashioned way, when everyone just went to the bowl game for their conference (or by invitation) and afterward everyone argued about whether the post season #1 was legit. That was better than this, where they spread the bowl games out and everyone still argues.
Now, I'd like to see one game at the end of the bowl games between the two best. But all the bowl games have to be pre-New Year's and New Year's day.

I don't like them, but there is no way USC shouldn't have a crack at being champion this year.

C.R.

JMH,

What the hell is the deal with everyone's reactions to Ms. Palin? We've had Joe Biden, Al Gore, Dick Cheney, multiple Kennedys on the scene for 10,000 years, etc., etc., etc. Why are your eyes rolling before we get a chance to hear her ideas? And I want to hear them and am certainly not going to worship at any altar beforehand. But why the distain toward her that is so singular?

kim

Well, a perceptive commenter over at Watts Up thinks Obama is too pragmatic to sacrifice an economic recovery on the alter of AGW righthink. He may have to ignore Chu and others, then, to do so.
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bad

C.R. No using Dick Cheney's name in vain or lumping him in with the likes of Joe Biden and Al Gore. He is a real man, an original and I heart him big time.

So there...

PD

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/sarah-palin-most-desirable-celebrity-neighbor-poll/17003?nc

I don't know. I like her lots, but living next to her would guarantee you'd have loads of media types around all the time.

And those show machines are loud, 'specially when Greta borrows it and cranks it up to 70mph.

matt

re the environment...I think a couple of really cold years will do more to put paid to the chorus of voices chanting "global warming" than any other factor. One of the primary casualties in the discussions has been the facts themselves. I have yet to see a comprehensive analysis of the data. The discussion is being driven by politicians and activists. There are other reasons for doing many of the things proposed and enacted, but so far, the solutions I have seen have been worse than the original problems from an environmental perspective.

C.R.

bad - you are quite right and I am properly chastised.

bad

Thank you so much C.R.!! I knew you appreciated our Dark Overlord's charms. My daughter and her friends are all about Edward from Twighlight, however, he is but a pale version of Dick Cheney.

Jane

Well, he's not here..and neithr is Jane

Now you are cooking!

bad

**TWILIGHT**

bad

Give us the dish Jane. Don't leave out a single detail.

narciso

Hey that's fine, Kim, I've already made two sets of recommendation. I thought that Berlusconi or Sarkozy would keep the EU honest. The snark from the Times indicates Klaus is the man; Horatio at the gate on economic and environment,

JM, i'll promise to restrain my praise, if you tell what are her great faults, She's going to have a tough time upcoming with all her enemies on both sides of the aisle willing to pounce and the dropping price of crude. I don't say she's perfect, but I would like to know what her real flaws are. Not what Couric, Gibson and Fey caricatured
her as. I like her grit, her dedication, her compassion. Find me anyone else in the party that shows such determination; or in the opposition in general. I've said Jindal holds promise, they wouldn't have tried to crush him in 2003; to put the time serving cipher Blanco in place. Everyone else, I'm less confident in. As I say, the whole reason I've been coming for is a search for the truth; this year it was a very scarce
commodity indeed. That I receive
reinforcement here, makes me think this isn't an empty crusade.

Rick Ballard

What I would like to see is Palin v EPA on the pipeline project as the battleground for final exposure of the AGW hoax. I really like Spencer's approach and would like to see him teamed with Christy on the plaintiff side with Hansen and Mann chirping for the EPA - and Steve McIntyre and Ross McKittrick presenting rebuttal to the 'consensus' garbage statistics.

I'm a little concerned that the gas pipeline may not go forward - it's not the 'approved source' for the gas backup to the Windy Pickens fraud.

C.R.

This will be one of my favorites forever. As much as I like him, I've always found his wife most impressive.

kim

Well, she's already suing them about the polar bears. I think a lot of people are figuring out that the main, read only, recipient of benefits in Pickens' scheme is the wily old goat himself.
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Jane

Now Bad,

I am simply not that kind of girl!

bad

Fort Worth Star-Telegram 2-28-08

AUSTIN — Operators of the state power grid scrambled Tuesday night to keep the lights on after a sudden drop in West Texas wind threatened to cause rolling blackouts, officials confirmed Wednesday. At about 6:41 p.m. Tuesday, grid operators ordered a shutoff of power to so-called interruptible customers, which are industrial electric users who have agreed previously to forgo power in times of crisis. The move ensured continued stability of the grid after power dropped...

The rest of this article is archived at LUN but the gist of it is in that paragraph.

bad

Jane, surely you can give us a hint as to the highly intellectual ideas you exchanged and the astute political assessments the two of you devised together.

PeterUK

"Kim, I've already made two sets of recommendation. I thought that Berlusconi or Sarkozy would keep the EU honest"

A bit like a new Don keeping the Mafia honest.There isn't a single one of these bozos who doesn't go native five minutes after getting the job.The accountants have refused to sign off the EU account for the thirteenth year running.

Jane

Mostly we discussed Gaza Bad, with a few laughs over Blago. We reminisced about our time in the Caribbean, and how we missed the others, but not too much.

bad

a few laughs over Blago

Only a few when there are so many to be had? Sounds suspicious....

clarice

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

C.R.

PeterUK,

You're quite right of course. The most brilliant man I've ever met in my life (economist, philosopher, multi-lingual, etc.) was refused an appointment to a position in the E.U. because he didn't hold the proper ideas.

clarice

PUK, why are you up so late? Or did you wake up very early?

Rick Ballard

"The accountants have refused to sign off the EU account for the thirteenth year running."

I understand it has a decent shot at a Nebula Award though.

narciso

It looks like some answered back at JM & Co, when I was in 'the cone of silence'. The point about the Yahoo poll, is that
the respondents didn't believe the pap that Yahoo has been feeding them about her and her family. The other Yahoo poll about being the second most admired woman, only second only to Hillary; is yet another indicator.

clarice

There you go, narciso..now you can stop worrying so much about her for a while and focus on some other things. No one is buying the media nincompoopery about your gal.

PeterUK

"was refused an appointment to a position in the E.U. because he didn't hold the proper ideas."

Him and the vast majority of the inhabitants.The EU is the bastard offspring of the political classes and the bureaucrats.No one will fight and die for this deranged construct,nobody cares and it arouses as much love and affection as a veruca.

bad

Drudge has this large and in red:

There were growing fears in Israel last night that Hamas missiles could threaten its top-secret nuclear facility at Dimona.

LUN

PeterUK

Footloose and fancy free Clarice,nothing to regulate my time any more.

clarice

Sleep is good for everyone--we need it..esp as we get older. It protects the heart. I'll quit nagging now..briefly.

C.R.

PUK,

"The EU is the bastard offspring of the political classes and the bureaucrats.No one will fight and die for this deranged construct,nobody cares and it arouses as much love and affection as a veruca."


Holy something. And that is what makes us ugly Americans quite peculiar, isn't it?

Rick Ballard

bad,

Another thought on Roubini - for all his doom and gloom he's missing what will become a very interesting aspect of the downturn. Most of the Blue Hells are flat broke and the market isn't interested in their muni bonds at anything but prohibitive interest rates.

bad

What do you think the effect will be Rick?

JM Hanes

C.R.

It's not Sarah Palin I'm rolling my eyes at. I like Palin, but the way her Republican fans talk about her has begun to remind me of the way the left projected all their fondest hopes on Obama! You can jump on me for not sharing the kind of enthusiasm which can apparently subsist indefinitely on the crumbs of what we actually know -- also before we hear her ideas -- but there's no reason to expect her celebrity Republican status to ring everybodies' chimes. I would be interested in hearing more info along the lines of what Daddy posted back in December. That kind of thing strikes me as worth knowing. Most of the rest of what I hear strikes me as Sarah Palin yada yada yada, but obviously, YMMV. It's not like I don't enjoy the fact that she's number two on the most admired list. Score one for populism!

PeterUK

Good morning,I'm off to bed.

Topsecretk9

Who did Jane meet with?

clarice

Night , PUK. Sleep well.

bad

I didn't eat too much over Christmas and Thanksgiving, I thought too much.

LUN

bad

Sweet dreams Peter.

narciso

Boone Pickens is another figure whose dissapointed me this year. His all but endorsement of peak oil, the AGW scam,
his rubbishing of domestic oil production.
this whole cockamamie wind scheme. I just hope he lost a bundle for his idiocy. Now
I too share doubts about the pipeline since the political winds have clearly turned against it; and the short term economic incentive has lessened. She filed the polar bear suit, pressed for ANWR, facilitated in the Beaufort Sea and ChukChoi zones. She was strong on defense, even opening up room for a BMD station in Ketchikan, as Cuffy/
McKittrick has pointed out. She's strong on the Second Amendment, she had the right weary view of Russia's expansionism, on the dangers of Islamic jihadists

On the one hand, one understands thatMcCain would have been close to useless on these issues, and his instincts would have been to silence her faction of the party. On the other, we know more than instinctively, based on facts, that this upcoming team means to reverse everything going back to 1980 if at all possible. I can't be calm about that, no matter my natural optimism.
Find me anyone who is willing to challenge
this onslaught, and I'll feel better.

Rick Ballard

The initial effect will be to slow down the infrastructure spending that Zero thinks he's going to accelerate. Almost all of that money passes through the states as grants and must be matched by state spending to some extent. Congress is going to have to get creative in terms of guaranteeing some muni issues or sweetening the pot by excluding muni interest from AMT calculations. It's not a 'hidden' problem - scratch Roubini and you'll find a prog hiding underneath, ignoring any data that doesn't fit his agenda.

The deals which will put a little 'pop' in the first quarter will be the GMAC 0% financing option and the 4-4.5% mortgage money. I just don't know if it will be enough to overcome the great 'thinning of the deadbeats' by credit issuers.

JM Hanes

TSK9: "Who did Jane meet with?" Mr. Big.

C.R.

JMH,

Obviously, I disagree with you. The criticism of her strikes me as personal. I don't know her yet. You admitted as much in your post. Why the animus? I'm not for polulism. As I said, my jury is out.

Elliott

The headline of bad's article, "Too much thinking 'can make you fat,'" provides more evidence of Rush's intellectual superiority to Obama.

JM Hanes

C.R.: What animus? I was talking ennui.

JM Hanes

And I didn't criticize Palin at all.

bad

LOL Elliott

richard mcenroe

JM Haines -- Just because Sarah! can heal the sick with a wink is no reason to think we're elevating her in the fashion of Obama acolytes.

Hell, I sat through almost all her appearance in Southern California without fainting, and was hardly serious at all when I shouted "Sarah broke the drought!" when the rain started immmediately after the rally...

C.R.

JMH,

You're right you didn't critize her, only those of us that would like to wait and see if she is an idiot or not.

kim

Hah, hah, hardly serious.
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bad

Rick, we are ready to jump on refinancing when the rate drops enough.

clarice

Good night..behave!

JM Hanes

richard mc:

LOL! That resistance training can really pay off, can't it?

Rick Ballard

I suppose we could discuss the Bonior/Cantor/Pence strategy regarding next weeks appearance by the Congressional Clown Corps. I thinks there's loads of fun in store. McConnell is getting his bag of marbles ready to scatter on the floor in the Senate as well.

Will Burris show up for his lynching?

narciso

Well we can agree to disagree, JM, I don't mean to pick on you; although you do seem the odd man out in this discussion. I'm just more observant of things beside the media template they've presented her in. She took advantage when the fire was still hot to negotiate the pipeline deal; when too many were bickering over the fee structure. Would it have been better to have done this years ago, yes, but there was no will for it then. Just like if ANWR had been opened a dozen years ago, we
wouldn't have suffered the damaging price spikes that popped the bubble.

Popularity is important either natural or engineered, in order to accomplish anything
significant for any length of time. The thing about the previous Democratic administration, is that they were popular for doing nothing ostensibly Those things they did do, reauthorize the CRA, cut defense and intelligence, block energy production was left to their successors to deal with. This previous administration, did
things that required tough measures, from the outset, too many to count. And the 'ant
farm press' an analogy from the film
"Barcelona" sought to cast every decision in a negative light; ultimately they succeeded in stigmatizing, blameshifting everything on the administration. Surprising how much they were able to do despite this opposition' keep the troops in Iraq, hold the line on tax cuts. Now one asks can and should the Governor attempt another grueling run, which will be more
brutal to her and her family four years
from now? Can she prevail against the intrenched 'dead man walking' Republican
establishment, and finally against the MSM?. I don't know that either. I know enough to see if any one could it would probably be. I've made my concerns that I like too many, probably are projecting all of our frustrations, wishes upon her; to assuage our shame and humiliation over this
last damnable campaign. Frankly, who else
has been this nauseatingly candid about my msigivings over this whole thing.
her

The Prodigy, Poison, Music From The Jilted Generation 95'

The infrastructure thing died when Obama's pals said it should be environmental like in studies from Harvard, etc. So, obama said he wanted to spend it on work programs like the great depression and it worked nicely with his poverty wages and promises of education. So, States go screwed cause of the money that they should be getting regardless of the depression 'cause it was already needed before Obama sued over loan criteria and gave all our money away, to foreign aid and created the depression.

So, Governors are getting screwed now and that's 'cause they want all that money they need to fix the infrastructure Bush already has ordered sent. So, like, if your holding a Kennedy or Obama or Clinton seat and it's up to no voting; what is a Governor supposed to do about the money that Obama cut off for infrastructure cause they pay too well?


narciso

Note to self; have to try Firefox this year.

bad

Will Burris show up for his lynching?

Given the grandiosity of his burial plans, that may be what he is hoping for.

JM Hanes

C.R.:

"You're right you didn't critize her, only those of us that would like to wait and see if she is an idiot or not."

No, I didn't. I'm on the wait and see fence myself.

C.R.

I'll take Clarice's advice of course. Good night all...and JMH I hope we can agree to disagree amiably.

bad

LUN to Roland Burris self-monument. There is room to inscribe "martyr."

bad

Sweet dreams Clarice and C.R.

bad

Also, Roland Burris’s children? They’re named Roland II and Rolanda.

Is this guy for real?

Topsecretk9

TSK9: "Who did Jane meet with?" Mr. Big.

Steyn online?

JM Hanes

narciso:

If you ever do wanna pick on me, don't hold back! I'm not one to let collegiality get in the way of a good disagreement! :-) I'll just say that if we're left pinning Republican hopes on a two year Governor, whether or not she's as spectacular as you think she is, then we've got a serious problem with the depth of our bench that's begging for attention that it's not getting.

bad

Online, offline, it's all good....

JM Hanes

C.R.: I'm not sure we actually disagree all that much, but not to worry -- an Ogden Nash quip springs to mind:

If you convinced me,
And I convinced you,
Wouldn't there still be
Two points of view?

bad

Chicago Sun-Times has background on Burris. Giggle...he refers to himself in the third person.

LUN

JM Hanes

TSK9: So the story goes!

bad: "Online, offline, it's all good...."

You do make me laugh! You left out "in your dreams" though.

narciso

Look's like Blago has run into a little road block, by having a Senate nominee
who sent an innocent man up to death row; do they do any vetting any more; rhetorical question. A little bit of two clever by half.

Not to nitpick, but that's not the standard it's if this person is capable of holding the highest office in the land.Increasingly I don't see the primary system ofdetermining
this, it's just a way of blocking other worthy candidates. Our new President elect had the shortest and possibly the most eccentric of public records. The kind we've
soundly defeated at least twice in our nation's history. Our nominee had all the
requisite credentials, one would need in this time. Look how it turned out. So is experience the criteria, or the ability to talk a good line of . . .with the MSM media
'covering your six' at every turn. Let's leave out VP Walter Mitty out of this for a minute. Is sheer endurance, ability to
handle crisis, important. It should be considering the nature of the job,specially in these complex, danger fraught times, but apparently it doesn't matter either.

narciso

No. I'm not picking on you, JM, we have a difference of opinion, a lot can change in four years, by then she'll be halfway through her second term. I mean as opposed to anduril or TCO, or any of a number others who argue in bad faith. Unlike you, C.R. I've never had the opportunity of meeting her; or even being at one of her rallies I'd probably wouldn't what to say, imagine that, me being at a loss for words.
The few times, she was in South Florida, I couldn't go attend for one reason or another. Mostly work related, if you get my drift. So I filter this second hand, from other sources I trust

Topsecretk9

HAHA

Jane Hamsher actually has to engage dissent in a comment section (she left her tuperware sealed safety of her own blog) and gets totally schooled.

LUN

bad

More Burris goodies. Evidently innocence isn't a consideration if he really, really, really wants someone to get the death penalty.

LUN

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Narciso:

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bad

Thanks for the link Tops. People are telling Hamsher she is wrong. Sacrilege, I tell you...

jimmyk

There were growing fears in Israel last night that Hamas missiles could threaten its top-secret nuclear facility at Dimona.

Sounds like this is the real issue. Or, more generally, it's the increased quality, not so much the quantity, of the missiles at Hamas's (and Hezbollah's) disposal. I'm guessing this is what is really pushing Israel to act now (in addition to the internal politics). A few missiles into border towns are a nuisance but not a strategic threat. But missiles into Tel Aviv, Dimona, Haifa, and Jerusalem are a more serious problem. As the article says:

Israel’s airstrikes are designed to blunt Hamas’s capacity to fire its new Grad missiles deep into its territory.
bad
While state attorney general in 1992, Burris aggressively sought the death penalty for Rolando Cruz, who twice was convicted of raping and murdering a 10-year-old girl in the Chicago suburb of Naperville. The crime took place in 1983.

But by 1992, another man had confessed to the crime, and Burris' own deputy attorney general was pleading with Burris to drop the case, then on appeal before the Illinois Supreme Court.

Burris refused. He was running for governor.

This is the guy Obama campaigned for in the Dem primary. I guess the legal issues were too difficult for Obama to understand.

LUN

bad

Wiki on Roland Burris:

In 1998, Burris caused a controversy by referring to his Democratic primary opponents — Jim Burns, Glenn Poshard (who eventually won the nomination) and John Schmidt — as "nonqualified white boys."[7]. The statement was considered to be prejudice by many and backfired politically.[citation needed]

Illinois sure has some colorful pols. And some white boys....

BobS

narisco:

I know you already know this my friend. But its called a double-standard. Michelle's hospital can get a big paycheck from hubby and she gets a big job and raise (to $250,000) and (pay close attention) the MSM won't notice (but will accuse Dick Cheney oh who knows what)

Please MSNBC, ask Chris Mathews if his leg quivers

bad

jimmyk, that sure put a new angle into the game didn't it? They can't afford to screw around if hitting nuke facilities is a possibility.

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