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January 26, 2009

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Sue

Cathy,

I went over to LGF to see what you were talking about and man, he could make a bundle if he wanted to. That is awesome.

Sue

I just signed up for http://www.sarahpac.com/>SarahPAC

narciso

Yet another excerpt from the interview, this time from Ed Morrisey's corner of Hot
Air:

Q: I want to ask you about the broader Muslim world, but let me – one final thing about the Palestinian-Israeli theater. There are many Palestinians and Israelis who are very frustrated now with the current conditions and they are losing hope, they are disillusioned, and they believe that time is running out on the two-state solution because – mainly because of the settlement activities in Palestinian-occupied territories.

Will it still be possible to see a Palestinian state — and you know the contours of it — within the first Obama administration?

THE PRESIDENT: I think it is possible for us to see a Palestinian state — I’m not going to put a time frame on it — that is contiguous, that allows freedom of movement for its people, that allows for trade with other countries, that allows the creation of businesses and commerce so that people have a better life.

And, look, I think anybody who has studied the region recognizes that the situation for the ordinary Palestinian in many cases has not improved. And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off? Do they have a future for themselves? And is the child in Israel going to feel confident about his or her safety and security? And if we can keep our focus on making their lives better and look forward, and not simply think about all the conflicts and tragedies of the past, then I think that we have an opportunity to make real progress.

But it is not going to be easy, and that’s why we’ve got George Mitchell going there. This is somebody with extraordinary patience as well as extraordinary skill, and that’s what’s going to be necessary.

To be charitable, this sounds a lot like the Baker/Scowcroft line, that was pushed in the previous Bush administration, if course it ignores the current change of conditions in Gaza, no settlements, or the efforts of the Saudi Foreign Ministry or the Iranian one etc. Looked at it more skeptically it sounds like he swallowed Walt and Mearsheimer's book whole, which isn't significantly different from the former parties agenda

1045

Congress wants matching funds for the other loans and infrastructure.

Porchlight

I just signed up for SarahPAC

Thanks for the link, Sue - I signed up too.

narciso

This one is possibly the most discouraging;

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran.

Now, the Iranian people are a great people, and Persian civilization is a great civilization. Iran has acted in ways that's not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region: their threats against Israel; their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which could potentially set off an arms race in the region that would make everybody less safe; their support of terrorist organizations in the past — none of these things have (sic) been helpful.

But I do think that it is important for us to be willing to talk to Iran, to express very clearly where our differences are, but where there are potential avenues for progress. And we will over the next several months be laying out our general framework and approach. And as I said during my inauguration speech, if countries like Iran are willing to unclench their fist, they will find an extended hand from us.

Old Lurker

So it begins...

(from the radio, words to the effect) "The Whitehouse called Citibank and told them not to buy that plane".

Did you ever think they will give back that power over micro-control? Soon they will order Detroit to build green car X and go get the cash from our guy at the bank.

narciso

Well I signed up too, just in case you were wondering.

cathyf
THE PRESIDENT: I think it is possible for us to see a Palestinian state — I’m not going to put a time frame on it — that is contiguous, that allows freedom of movement for its people, that allows for trade with other countries, that allows the creation of businesses and commerce so that people have a better life.
Just in case anyone missed this -- he's talking about grabbing a big chunk of Israel (not the occupied territories) and clearing the Israelis out in order to hand it over to the Palistinians.
Enlightened

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Soylent Red

I didn't catch Obama's big-brained idea on what to do about Jerusalem.

PD

Can't believe no one has anything to say about the Al-Arabiya interview with Obama.

I like these two fragments:

President Barack Obama gave his first formal television interview as president to an Arabic cable TV network, telling Al-Arabiya that when it comes to Middle East matters "all too often the United States starts by dictating."

Okay, so we won't be dictating.

The president reiterated the U.S. commitment to Israel as an ally, and to its right to defend itself. But he suggested that Israel has hard choices to make and that his administration would press harder for it to do so.

Okay, so we'll be dictating.

Er, wait...

Captain Hate

And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off?

What a freakin' moron. Better we send Pelosi Galore over there and abort 'em all.

PD

Wow. Even Jack Cafferty is beginning to scrutinize Obama a little bit.

That didn't stop him from completely misunderstanding Rush, of course. Probably deliberately.

Jane

Maybe they can add some earmarks to Hamas' budget.

narciso

Of course, PD, it's reward our enemies, punish our friends, confuse anyone in the middle

matt

why is there no commentary on the presidents unusual first actions in foreign policy? calling Abbas first; his first television interview with Al Arabiya; his UN ambassador opening the door to discussions with the Iranians?

And Narciso, not that much has changed in the attitude of the Iranian people since Salamis, I think. They have a very strong history of expansionism and conflict with their neighbors....

This guy is losing any possible trust I may have placed in his good intentions very, very fast.

MayBee

Pelosi Galore

ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha!

Extraneus

Illinois Senate to Hear FBI Tapes of Blagojevich

Good pic at the link, too, for all you Blago fans.

Rick Ballard

The President's ill thought, ignorant and, frankly, stupid, remarks to his coreligionists should do wonders for Netanyahu's political campaign. Any Israeli who is counting on the commie muslim to back Israel in its defense of the only truly democratic government in the islamic cesspool of the Middle East better check his hole card.

He (the Israeli) could talk to white Rhodesians about all the benefits to be had from paying attention to "world opinion" when determining the how many terrorists should be killed in order to preserve a viable country in which to live.

Ranger

And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off?

Which completely ignores Golda Meir's observatin: “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

Jane

I don't find his actions unusual in light of his campaign rhetoric. I'm not even positive I find them offensive. I do think he is naive beyond words, and not terribly up on the conflicts he plans to solve which is extremely troubling.

Captain Hate

MayBee, I lifted that one from a comment @ AoS

Jane

At least we got rid of the lobbyists:

The president’s go-to man in the Middle East, George Mitchell, had his bread was buttered by Dubai. Sure, someone else in the firm handled the case. But it is still butter. $8 million worth of butter.

Bloomberg: “The DLA Piper law firm (Mitchell’s employer) did legal and lobbying work on the case, which alleged that Dubai’s Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum and another official used children kidnapped from other countries to ride as jockeys in camel races. The firm lobbied federal agencies, members of the U.S. House and about two dozen Senate offices, including those of Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2006 and 2007, according to Justice Department foreign-agent disclosures.” [Disemboldened - TM]

LUN from Don Surber

Jane

Now I have made the thread permanently bold.

I apologize in advance.

Extraneus

Like cathyf said, one look at the map and you have to ask yourself: How do you make Gaza "contiguous" with the West Bank? I know Ahmadinajad can answer that, but will someone ask Obama?

Extraneus

Extraneus

I guess he could mean to say that Gaza = Palestine, so it's contiguous already.

Ranger

Like cathyf said, one look at the map and you have to ask yourself: How do you make Gaza "contiguous" with the West Bank? I know Ahmadinajad can answer that, but will someone ask Obama?

Posted by: Extraneus | January 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Don't you realize that that word, "contiguous", is a code word the meaning of which Obama was unaware of when he made that statement. At least that will be his story and he will stick too it.

MayBee

Yeah, Cathyf, I noticed the "contiguous" thing too. I wonder if that's a slip ala "undivided Jerusalem" or if it's a new policy, or what.

narciso

You're right, Matt, I bought that copy of Herodotus's "Histories" around the time that I saw '300' and I glance at it for perspective, from time to time. I referenced
that battles of Platea and Thermopylae, on that thread about honorable causes. Maybe why I glommed onto Hanson's commentary so readily.
Jane, you're also right, it's in keeping with everything he actually said and meant during the campaign, the Arabist milieu of advisors like Malley & Power, McPeak, and Mitchell, that surround him. That why some of the naivete exhibited by people I've generally come to trust like Ron Radosh is a little surprising frankly, 'hope over experience' again.

JM Hanes

Extraneous:

"Illinois Senate to Hear FBI Tapes of Blagojevich"

When his case finally gets to court, wouldn't it be real poetic justice, if Blago asked for a change of venue - because he can't possibly get a fair trial in Illinois? Kind of like leaving Fitz at the altar.

The prohibition on Illinois getting stimulus funds, unless Blago resigns or is removed from office is absolutely stunning -- my spidey sense says that's got to be an unconstitutional breach of something! It's most assuredly a very, very bad precedent. Don't know how Obama will square that with the children, considering how much money is destined for education. Parents in Chicago are going to mighty pissed if their kids have to go without the snacks that everybody else in the country is getting.

Ranger

And now Hamas has responded to Obama's new more ballanced approach to the conflict by killing an IDF soldier and provoking a retaliatory response.

Captain Hate

Ron Radosh believes in Obastard? That makes no sense. Guaranteed every delusional Rosenberg-bot supports Barry.

Sue

It would be contiguous if there was no more Israel you guys.

Sue

I say we shut down the Whitehouse servers once again. Rumor has it republicans are going to walk away from the stimulus negotiations. Contact your congressperson, even if it is a democrat. Let's make some noise people!!!!

cathyf

Ok, so we should not give up on pressuring SixApart about the pagination "upgrade" to typepad. But we should ALSO add a bug ticket about them breaking the display in firefox.

In the previous version of typepad before the "upgrade", when a commenter left an html tag unterminated, then a closing tag in a later comment would turn off the italics/bold/whatever. In the latest version of typepad, when using the firefox browser once a tag is open it cannot be closed. Opera, safari and IE retain the previous behavior.

Ideally, all italics, bold, blockquote, link, etc. tags should automatically terminate at the /div (which is what most commenting systems somehow manage to do.) As a second choice, typepad should be returned to it's previous state where later commenters can manually close the tag, and it will display correctly in firefox as well as opera, safari, IE.

JMH and TM, and anybody else with a typepad blog -- you are customers and can file bug tickets about this. Please do!

narciso

So two democrats have declared for the Senate seat, Meek and Gelber, but no GOP
yet.

narciso

I wouldn't go that far, but he seems cautiously optimistic. He was once on the left,(wrote one of those books on American
labor and foreign policy) but he was excommunicated after the Rosenberg book, and some of his work afterward, kept him in the doghouse.

Captain Hate

Sounds like one of those rare lefties with integrity, like Professor Diamond.

Danube of Thought

Concerning my theory that individual states' imposing their own, more restrictive standards would violate the Interstate Commerce Clause, it's my vague understanding that the theory has not succeeded in court thus far. I don't have any particulars, but I read something this morning to the effect that legal challenges have thus far been unsuccessful. So, scratch that theory--maybe...

I'm checking out of this thread, and will rejoin you folks at some newer, shorter one.

clarice

cahtyf, I filed that with type pad along with this coda:
What more do you need, the posters attacking your office with pikes? All of us moving elsewhere?

JM Hanes

For those who were perplexed, Asia Times will tell you all you need to know about "contiguous".

If Obama and George Mitchell really think that all the Palestinians want is their own comfy sovereignty, I'll just sit back and wish them luck. At this point, I think we can call Hillary Clinton our Honorary Secretary of State, don't you? Obama is sucking up all the foreign policy face time and I doubt he's going to stop with envoys to the Middle East & Afghanistan -- and Climate change! Secretary Clinton is going to just love sitting next to silly little Susan Rice at cabinet meetings.

When Obama started getting applause for appointing putative centrists, I figured we should be looking at lower profile rungs on the ladder. He's a control freak, and it's his loyal foot soldiers who are going to be running the Executive Branch. If you want to know how Hillary feels about being parked at State, while Obama cuts her out of the foreign policy loop, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Richard

In the UK we no longer have a state air-traffic control system. NATS, the National Air Traffic System, was bought by a company set up by co-operating airlines some years ago. It was opposed, and is probably not an ideal solution, but it works and has a very good safety record. I know, I rely on it every day to keep me and my pilots safe.

Enlightened

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Extraneus

Heh, JMH. Great pic. There's that Obama hubris again, too, like he has the slightest idea what he's talking about. Maybe Joe "Gravitas" Biden suggested Mitchell's mission.

bad

Kudlow recaps the Geithner vote and gaffes, as well as the problems with Obama's economic policy. LUN

cathyf

Hey, talk about fast response -- I just came home after running an errand, hit Refresh, and voila! the bold is gone. Although I think it's most likely a coincidence, and only a partial fix. I hit my back button to go back to page 6 and reloaded, and it's still in italics.

Either that, or they got scared of clarice's threats of rampaging peasants and somebody went in and fixed page 7 of this thread by hand.

PD

And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off?

I find I much prefer GWB's way of referencing concepts like liberty, freedom, and democracy over BHO's way of talking about stuff like being "better off." Does Obama ever actually mention the bedrock things that matter, or is he all just about "quality of life"?

Bill in AZ

TM Disemboldened Janes comment at 11:29

TM can you disem<< >> too?

narciso

So Boehner's moving against the stimulus, maybe the Alinsky campaign missed its mark after all.

Jane

I just got off the radio, and I thought it was a good show, but you will never know because apparently the recorder was not on for the first 45 minutes. The last 20 were far less interesting.

Dick defended O like a champ and then told me off the air that he was devastated at what has gone on over the last week.

On air I said that O was coming across as naive and not ready, and Dick jumped all over that. Off air he agreed.

Do you think that's typical of people on air? I know when there are hard core lefties around I lean further and further toward the party line, but when I'm here, or on the radio I tend to say what I believe.

PD

Do you think that's typical of people on air?

Your own sample (n = 2) suggests that it is.

clarice

I think Dick's behaving badly. What does it profit him to stupidly defend the indefensible?
I hope you can find a transcript or something to remind him of his stands today, Jane.

Pofarmer

And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off?

I find I much prefer GWB's way of referencing concepts like liberty, freedom, and democracy over BHO's way of talking about stuff like being "better off." Does Obama ever actually mention the bedrock things that matter, or is he all just about "quality of life"?

I don't think Obama understand the concept of having a set of core principles.

Jane

I don't think Obama understands the concept of having a set of core principles.

I second that. As I said before, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

clarice

Luckily he has no executive experience or skills either--he's now set up about 6 warring divisions on foreign policy alone.

bgates

Jane, I'm surprised to hear Dick is doing that. There's so much to be devastated about; did he mention anything in particular?

Amused bystander

Pofarmer: Well, I think you a set of morally valid principles.

He certainly has a set of principles. They are just so vile that he cannot say them in public.

He will find a way to "share" them with us, o not be confused about that.

Amused bystander

I think you MEAN*

Jane

Bgates,

It was as I was leaving, and he wasn't specific - frankly I don't think he watches the minutia all that much. I'll squeeze it out of him eventially.

boris

Political correctness is often about promoting a false reality in public whenever truth is unpalatable or empowers the wrong groups. It's considered a civic duty rather than a form of hypocrisy.

bad

Political correctness is often about promoting a false reality..

Like being excited about open borders to give everyone a chance at the American dream, then stiffing the illegals you hire as household help?

qrstuv

"Obama also signaled a move away from President Bush's confrontational, generalizing language... "

Oh, this has me SO pissed off.

Bush most deliberately said "Religion of Peace" about 500000 times, not that the Left heard it even once.

For years, he most distinctly pointed out that our quarrel is with a specific, small subset of Muslims, not with all of them... that these Muslims had perverted their faith.

Yet every time he spoke, the Left screeched that he was "attacking Muslims" with a broad brush.

It was the LEFT, not Bush, who was incapable of making the distinction between the world's billion Muslims and the handful of radicals who have declared war on civilization.

Now President Zero is getting credit for nuance. I am SO PISSED!!!

Pagar

Now President Zero is getting credit for nuance.

Only in his own mind, IMO.

Pagar

Narciso, Do you still feel this is true after
the GOP house members meeting with Obama?

So Boehner's moving against the stimulus

clarice

The Dali Lama loves Bush. I love Bush. He needs no more than that.
Really, I think people like Jimmy Carter who are always (futilely) sucking up to monsters have some secret love of them--it is not Christian, Buddhist or Jewish to do this. It is some kind of madness.

clarice

Why is nothing posting?

Extraneus

I tried posting on another thread and got sent to some sort of secure url and a TypeKey login screen.

wow gold

you are right.

wow gold

you are right

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