Those Who Forget George Santayana's Dictum...

Those who forget George Santayana's dictum are condemned to paraphrase it.  Today Nick Kristof joins the club of who are too sure of something to actually look it up, offering this:

President Obama is resisting calls for an investigation into torture and other abuses during the Bush years, so the chance to learn from our mistakes is slipping away.

Mr. Obama understandably wants to focus on economic recovery rather than a dissection of the past. Why fritter political capital on an inquest that would antagonize Republicans and imperil our economy and his agenda?

But as George Santayana, the eminent Harvard philosopher wrote: “Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.” Rather than lose forever the chance to grow from our missteps, here’s a two-step proposal for confronting the past without distracting from the work on the economic crisis.

Well.  Just as those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, those who cannot remember to Google carefully are condemned to repeat common mistakes.

Mr. Kristof calls for a non-partisan truth commission dominated by Republicans and ex-generals to probe torture, detention, and wiretapping under Bush:

As a nation, we’ve repeatedly trampled on individual rights during moments of national fear — the Palmer raids after World War I, the internment of Japanese-Americans, the McCarthy hearings at the dawn of the cold war. We may well do so again after the next major terror attack, particularly if it turns out to have been planned by people who were released from Guantánamo.

We’ll be better off if we come to some consensus on these issues. The Kerner commission on race and the 9/11 commission are both examples of how we as a nation used such panels to gain a better understanding of our shortcomings. Such a commission would also help heal the divisions with the rest of the world and help renew America’s reputation.

I am not sure how much of "the truth" needs to be classified and how much can safely be told but this approach is consistent with the stand taken by Jack Bauer.  Presumably, Bush's supporters should not be afraid of the truth (if it can be told).  Let the public learn and decide.  The obvious caveat would revolve around whether this approach would preclude prosecutions; without such protection I assume a lot of people would take the Fifth and walk away.

Let me mock Mr. Kristof's second notion:

The second step has to do in particular with transforming Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Mr. Obama’s pledge to close the prison there within a year is a big help, but even so the word “Guantánamo” will live as a recruiting tool for Muslim terror groups.

So let’s do more than just close the prison. The best move would be to hand Guantánamo back to the Cubans.

Why spend tens of millions each year for a naval base that has very little military utility? We can project power in the region from Florida, and the main effect of the base has been to bolster Cuba’s Communist regime by creating a nationalist backlash and a scapegoat for the Castros’ repression and incompetence.

Granted, returning the base to Cuba may not be politically realistic. So here’s a fallback alternative: turn the base into a research center for tropical diseases.

This was proposed in a medical journal, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases, a year ago, and it makes more sense now than ever.

Uh huh.  C'mon, there are people all over the world who doubt that the US ever put a man on the moon.  If we take Mr. Kristof's advice within ten years, "Gitmo" will be legend as the place where the US took prisoners in order to perform medical experiments on them.  Maybe this is a good idea for some other political climate and audience, but not now.

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Comments

[Patrick R. Sullivan]

Sure, Nick, we'll get right on it just as soon as you tell us who the second person was in your June 13, 03 column:

To help out Ms. Rice and Mr. Cheney, let me offer some more detail about the uranium saga. Piecing the story together from two people directly involved...

[Rick Ballard]

Why should accuracy be expected of a third rate writer for a fourth rate publication? The NYT isn't headed for the dustbin of history because it overspent in maintaining any standards.

[Patrick R. Sullivan]

Sure, Nick, we'll get right on it just as soon as you tell us who the second person was in your June 13, 03 column:

To help out Ms. Rice and Mr. Cheney, let me offer some more detail about the uranium saga. Piecing the story together from two people directly involved...

[glasater]

Oh for Heaven's Sake!!
Krstof is a Maroon!!

I propose we put the entire CIA operation IN Gitmo.

[narciso]

You take a good kid from Iowa, you send him to Harvard, and he becomes an idiot., I know he already had that potential,but it flowered in Cambridge. How about an
investigation into Villa Marista, (Cuban G-2) La Cabana, or any of the otherfacilities.
The choice was Gitmo or the Falastin section of the Syrian Mukharabat, or the Egyptian, Saudi or Jordanian offices. You want to give the one free piece of land on the entire Island, to the Castro satrapy, or tropic disease research. This column is Dowd worthy in it's stupidity, and that's a high bar to exceed.

[narciso]

Sorry to get all agitated, but this level of stupidity, really needs to fisked, broomed, et al, with in an inch of it's life; You'd think a former bureau chief in Beijing (Tewu)or Moskva (KGB/SVR) would know better.

[Danube of Thought]

I don't see why there is any connection at all between an "investigation into torture and other abuses" and the "chance to learn from our mistakes."

What, exactly, would we learn from such an investigation that we do not know now? Isn't it possible that what we would learn is that what was done was not a mistake at all, but in fact saved many lives? Or does Kristof already know that everything was a "mistake?"

And as for Guantanamo itself, don't we already know from Mr. Obama's backpedaling on the matter that, wherever these bastards ultimately end up is simply going to be Guantanamo by a different name? Ah, but the power of symbolism to these fools...

[Danube of Thought]

Lucianne.com is running a banner headline saying that a military judge has refused Obama's request to halt the trial of the USS Cole mastermind. "Developing..."

[MayBee]

Isn't it possible that what we would learn is that what was done was not a mistake at all, but in fact saved many lives?

Good point.
As it is, we seem condemned to continually think holding ourselves to be above harsh treatment of our enemy will convince others to treat our citizens and soldiers better.

[Danube of Thought]

Here's the story on the judge. LUN

[Boatbuilder]

Yeah, sure, the reason the lefties are so gung-ho for such a commission is so that we can "learn from our mistakes." Since they've already decided what the mistakes are, why bother? (hint: it's all part of the New Spirit of Bipartisanship).

Also--if the next major terror attack turns out to have been planned by people released from Gitmo, I'm guessing that most people are going to come to the same conclusion as I would (another hint: it's not what Kristof would conclude).

[Boatbuilder]

Oops--reading it again, I guess that's what he means--that ignorant right-wingers like me will be more inclined to "trample on individual rights" if it turns out that the next terror attack is planned by someone released from Gitmo. And guess what?--he's right.
A very good reason not to release any of them, in fact. If I understand correctly, that's why they are there--to prevent them--enemy combatants captured on the field of battle out of uniform--from harming us.

[clarice]

I say sell the NYT HQ in Manhattan and move the gang to Gitmo.

[steveaz]

Yup, Tom,
If we close Gitmo, then we're lending credence to the NYT's editorialists' fevers.

If we don't, then, according to the NYT's "thinkers," it serves as a "recruitment tool" for Muslim terrorists. What hooey!

He still cannot admit to their fundamental reasons for attacking us over the past 40 years, but at least Nick got the religious affiliation of our enemy correct.

In our campaign to educate urban intellectuals about the world we face, we can sight at least some progress in Kristoff's latest.

[narciso]

You got it Boatbuilder, that exactly what he means. We already know what hispreference
is; a citizenry disarmed preferably not eating meat, that's another one of his pet peeves.

[narciso]

Well remember he did do graduate work at Cairo University, where their investigative standards are much better than ours (sarc)
read any of Al Aswani.

[Rick Ballard]

"I say sell the NYT HQ in Manhattan and move the gang to Gitmo."

I say immediately lease four floors in the NYT building and move everyone at Gitmo into them. With very loose security and clear directions to the location of the editor's offices.

[clarice]

Better idea than mine, Rick.

Be sure to paint a Mogen Dovid on Pinch's office and make sure they know Mo Dowd is a woman.

[Amused bystander]

Clsrice: Do you think they'd buy it, The MoDo part I mean.

[Captain Hate]

make sure they know Mo Dowd is a woman.

I'm not accepting that w/o compelling evidence

[kim]

You don't understand; it is only when the bad people of America run things like Guantanamo that it hurts our reputation in the world. When the good people in America run them it is performing a civil service for the world.
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[noname]

I know this seems very crazy but I think someone in this administration is paying someone at google to remove any damaging stories about Obama or people on his team when you try to search for them. I was trying to find out what people were saying about Michelle Obama accepting her inaugeral gown and several other designer dresses without paying for them but when I tried to search for anything online there was nothing - I tried lots of different word combinations but nothing worked. Then I tried a different approach - I put in "Nancy Reagen not paying for expensive gowns" and I got lots of stories including people talking about Michelle not paying for her clothes but it only worked when I used a different name.

Then I read an article last week about the a woman who has been hired to work for a deputy COS who was an "intern" with the campaign and had a scholarship to attend college but she ordered over 30 expensive designer gowns for the inaugeral balls - I can't figure out how she could afford that. I'm not surprised they hired her - she is a reality TV star and posed in Maxim but I want to know how she could afford to buy all those expensive clothes or who paid for them. When I tried to search for more information online everything about her was erased - the only stories were from other countries. How could a reality TV star and someone who posed in Maxim not have anything about her online?

I think they're paying someone at google to erase damaging information.

[A.C. McCloud]

Heck, where was the truth commission on the first WTC bombing? That might have saved us all this trouble.

[matt]

I say move the New York Times to Guantanamo!

So how much press dos the trial of the man who planned the USS Cole bombing get? almost none.

How much press does the prison get?every day all over the world. We need to sell the idea of Guantanamo, darn it! dress it up a little, add island inspired jump suits, and show pictures of the inmates clinking pina coladas....heck, I've been to worse spots in the Caribbean...

as to turning it into a research center, the Cuban government will then just accuse us of developing biological weapons....hey, wait a minute....note to self...

[clarice]

AB, Well, now that you mention it..

[noname]

Fome some reason Maureen seems to hate other women - I don't know much about her but when women hate other women I think it's because they are involved with a married man for many years and he never leaves his wife for her so they spend all their holidays without him and then eventually they have to accept that he is never leaving his wife and they wasted all those years of their life with him.

The only way for those women to cope with their anger is to attack other women. The reason she likes Caroline is because men supported her and Dowd wants those men to like her.

[Rocco]

In May 2008, Obama told an Oregon audience,

We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world's energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we'll be fine. Don't worry about us. That's not leadership.

Todays New York Times,

WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.

“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

[clarice]

So what did Santayana really say/ Those who don't remember history damned well better ace the algebra test?

[Danube of Thought]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[clarice]

Joykiller.

[Danube of Thought]

I figured you hadda be pulling our leg--in the age of Google, we're all Eng Lit stars.

[Danube of Thought]

Samantha Power--the one who got dumped from the campaign for calling the Secretary-of-State-to-be a "monster"--has just been hired as a senior foreign policy advisor in the White House.

I'd buy a ticket for a few of those meetings.

[JM Hanes]

"The Kerner commission on race and the 9/11 commission are both examples of how we as a nation used such panels to gain a better understanding of our shortcomings. "

Their findings would have been a lot more useful if Kristof and his ilk hadn't routinely ignored them.

[hit and run]

JMH, check your email...

[clarice]

DoT, Those words are etched over the entry way pediment of the National Archives. (Your version, not my algebra one.)

[kim]

Those who can successfully disremember the past will be tasked with creating the future. I'm speaking of google, here.
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[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

That would be the National Archives that never archived the Starr Report, right?

Just more Dem shills.

[hit and run]

Sandy Berger forgot he put the docs in his socks and got nearly no condemnation at all.

[clarice]

They didn't archive it? Hmm. K forgot that.They DID look the other way for quite some time as Berger fiddled with classified docs in their care.

[mel]

noname-

I would venture that the staff at Google would volunteer that service instead of charging for it.

Anybody else here use Scroogle Scraper? LUN

Takes the paid adverts out of a Google search, embedded and otherwise.

[Danube of Thought]

Can anybody tell me anything at all that we learned from the Kerner Commission, or any good that it accomplished?

The only thing I learned from the 9/11 Commission was that you should never conduct such an inquiry until several years after the event. Also that Richard Ben Veniste should never hold any position of public trust. That's about it...

[clarice]

And never pick Gorelick to investigate herself or allow Berger access to the Committee docs without strict supervision.

[Antimedia]

Google isn't the only search engine in the world.

[noname]

I wouldn't matter if google was erasing damaging stories if we had more companies competing with them. I still think they're paying them. Someone from the administration just paid three million in cash for a new house, they're buying their "interns" over 30 expensive designer dresses for parties, Michelle has several stylists working for her, they had a private chef before he was elected - where are they getting all this money?

Someone needs to audit them and find out how they're using campaign donations.

[JM Hanes]

Since we're auguring: Quassandra predicts that Elliott doesn't know whose birthday it is.

[Jane]

Not mine. Is it yours JMH?

Hmm, an Aquarious

(Like I know what that means)

[Terry Gain]

The interests of the state would be better served by investigating anti-democracy AVS-disabled campaign finance fraud rather than prosecuting those who protected the state -by using a coercive investigation technique, which, when used properly as it was here, causes no lasting harm and is guaranteed not only to scare the shit but the truth out of the enemies of the state - but nevertheless committed the unpardonable offense of allegedly offending brain-dead liberal sensibilities.

[Mel]

As far as Scroogle, it uses their algorithm, but, I believe, they don't get paid. It bypasses it.

Just curious.

[narciso]

Who's going to audit them, well maybe
Judicial Watch can put a report together, like they just did with Hillary's conflicts of interests. It's more than a little frightening how comprehensive their control on information is. Yes, there are sources for the truth, but only for the truly diligent; the rest well they follow Couric and Gibson's side of things. I wassurprised how even Bernie Goldberg excused the
latter's attack on Sarah on O'Reilly, maybe even he doesn't know about the editing.

[Ann]

You have to see this tape over at AOS:

"Red Herrings"

I guarantee you will laugh first and then get angry all over again that this bill is going to be passed.

[noname]

Nobody will be able to audit them now because the FEC can't do anything unless Obama approves it but I still think they're taking major chances - the problem is that they're so arrogant they think everyone is stupid and can't figure anything out. They don't need to buy over 30 expensive designer dresses for an intern or pay three million in cash for homes - it's so excessive that people notice it. If someone said "They just hired a woman who was an intern on their campaign to work for a deputy COS and she bought an expensive dress for the inaugeration" then I wouldn't have noticed it. There is nothing unusual about that. It's buying over 30 expensive dresses in this economy that is unusual.

I have noticed it's much more difficult to find information online about Obama after he was elected.

[cathyf]

I think they're paying someone at google to erase damaging information.

Nah, I think that google is doing it for free.

(In other words, the difference between "slut" and "whore".)

[mel]

noname-

You think it was easy before?

I couldn't find stuff in the Trib or SunTimes, even if I knew the author and the date!

Memory hole, astroturf, whoosh! Gone!

[Pofarmer]

Surely somebody has pointed out that the 9/11 commission was much more of a partisan CYA hack job than any kind of "truth finding" commission.

[Pofarmer]

Ya know what else I found out tonight? Granted, it's from Michael Savage so check it out. But Timmy TaxCheats second in command was, as of a couple days ago anyway, a lobbiest for Goldman Sachs.

It's really too bad noone will report this stuff.

[mel]

Pofarmer-

Huck Finn was paintin' slower than them.

[mel]

Oops, Tom Sawyer was whitewashin', not Huck, never Huck.

[mel]

Bill Dudley, who's taking over at the NY Fed, was GS' economist in fixed income, used to be at Dean Witter, ages ago.

[narciso]

Of course with Kean ,being a director on Amerada Hess's board, into a joint venture
with the Alamoudis or the onetime Saudi oil minister, with Gorelick, who would rotate from Justice to Fannie Mae director. And those are just the obvious choices, they were some decent people on that panel, like John Lehman, & Hollinger director Jim Thompson, how come Fitz didn't go after him, hmm. In fact, the conclusions of the 9/11 commission sounded remarkably like what we're hearing now, better sympathy for what motivates terrorists. The fact that they suspended the hearing for Al Nashiri; which this military judge has thankfully sought to reverse the decision, relying on the authority of the Military Commissions Act, didn't he hear that Boumedienne solved everything.

[Pofarmer]

Ya know, it occurs that even Obama's staff must regard these grand proclamtions of his as bullshit. He is setting himself up for some truly spectacular failures.

[RichatUF]

Pofarmer-

Mark Patterson, a former advocate for Goldman Sachs, will serve as chief of staff to Geithner as the Treasury Department revamps the Wall Street bailout program that sent an infusion of cash to his former employer.

Yea, he got a waiver. The article is confusing (or maybe I'm confused): Patterson is a lobbyist, not a former Goldman employee.

Seems that "no lobbyists need apply" thing is working out just peachy. Can we start making jokes about him yet?

[Ann]

If you do anything tomorrow please call this number (202)-224-3121 and tell them what you think of the bill that will destroy America.

And ladies of JOM, we need a plan to defeat this: Sarah Palin Discrimination. I have had it with this carp.

Watch the video. A man can say "Norah, I think she thought it was just her, and Buckwheat, and Alfalfa, with the president at dinner. She's just clueless, it's ridiculous."

How did we get here and how do we change it?

[RichatUF]

Ann-

Disturbing. How about this bit:

FEEHERY: You know, the big news is she didn't get $11 million for that book contract. I think that's the thing that people are really worried about. That's a lot of money for a book contract and she didn't get it.

I didn't know that Gov. Palin was going to write a book? Anyway, I'd like to know how Obama, as a second year law student with a pedestrian background as far as Harvard goes, get a $125k advance to write a book, burn through the first advance, blow the deadline, then get another advance, vacation in Indonesia, and produce a tome published concurrent with his elevation to Chairman of CAC. Or how did he become a multi-millionaire through the "strength" of his 2 auto-biographies through the good offices of Random House and Bertelsmann?

How did we get here and how do we change it?

No idea. Pofarmer's commentary about the conference call was depressing.

Wanted to link a bit of my take re: Rush Limbaugh. Obama's handbook: Law 42 Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter. The attacks have that Axelturfing feel, and that I think that Team Zero might have been taken aback that the GOP is gaining traction in opposition to the "stimulus" bill. Should be interesting.

TSK9-

If you drop by, I didn't mean to be the word police, but misspelling Colombia as Columbia makes my teeth itch. I'm not one to talk about spelling as my numerous errors will attest.

[Pofarmer]

How did we get here and how do we change it?

No idea. Pofarmer's commentary about the conference call was depressing.

We've got a double whammy going on right now, IMHO. Our educations system has failed us. First, folks just aren't educated. Sure, there are some bright people out there, but they don't go looking for information. There are also some very stupid people out there who also get to vote, some multiple times. We need to have some kind of a minimum standard to vote. Second, we have a financial and political leadership that is thoroughly corrupt and only looking out for themselves. The upper corporate levels and upper level Washington beauracracy jobs are a revolving door. Their needs to be heads on pikes, metaphorical or otherwise, to shut this down. Greed and avarice is not a good thing, and there's some greedy bastards running around. Who pays billions in "bonuses" when you know your company is gonna file Chapter 11 in a couple weeks?

[Pofarmer]

Wow, Ann, I went to the Newsbuster link and see that it was MSNBC. That organization has totally, and I mean completely gone over the edge, to the point of being meanspirited. I got no clue what folks over their are thinking.

One other thing, and I'm starting to get a whiff of it. BUT, the Dim's are painting R's as uncaring for "blocking" the stimulous bill. Now with MSNBC and the other media organs, I'm afraid that some of these Republican leaders, and, some of the talk show hosts, could be put in actual physical danger. The tactics these folks are using are bullying tactics, and they usually don't end well.

[narciso]

Morning all, I think the Alinsky may not track, because Lesson 42, was what was attempted during the campaign, against the 'actual candidate' ,by that I don't mean John McCain, and now against Rush, but I think it backfired. I'm on one of my optimistic jags, alternating with
Spenglerian pessimism. The problem is that once everybody knows there applying Alinsky, the spell is gone. We suspected this during the fall, but we weren't sure. Thinning the herd, 'like the idea of a hanging' does tend to concentrate the mind.

Didn't realize Norah, would turn out to be a full strength moonbat, but that's part of the employment contract now. Does Feehery realize he probably foreclosed his near term employment contracts. Just like Culture 11, which sought you could diss conservatives, and still be a viable entity, nothing doing man, In a climate of scarce advertising dollars people want reliable product. I'm sure the Nation is hiring. I don't know those numbers are true, but it would a satifying coda to the disgraceful nature of the last campaign. Not that she needs to work on that now, to navigate the tough times her state will go being through; will be enough of an example.
Another swipe came Doug Holtz Eakin, the budget czar, who said her followers, wanted
an 'anti-intellectual campaign', no we wanted a campaign with rational ideas that could be explained, good luck with the job
at Brookings, Doug.

No I'd disagree that they're failing in education, this is exactly what they wanted to achieve, in Brecht's words, 'elect a new people, when the results work against you.
In the long terms it does work against you, but then again, what Keynes say about the long term. I looked at the Education part of the stimulus package, slated for school
construction, and tech improvement; read more students on MySpace and Youtube, with
the appropriate filters for samizdat information. Really that was the pressing problem in K-12 education, not by a long shot.

[hit and run]

Good Morning!

It's Friday! Which is one day closer to Saturday! Which, more gloriously, is one day closer to next Saturday!

I haven't so looked forward to a day since the day of the first McCain-Obama debate (and it wasn't about the debate!)

[Pagar]

If anyone wonders what the US will be like in a few years under Obama, Gateway Pundit has the story.

The Marxist Morales has been cozying up with the Iranians for years. Here he gets touchy-feely with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Evo Morales is not different, he is the least trained of all, but he is guided by well versed Venezuelans and Cubans who indicate when to open his mouth to break the news.

America needs to find out who is guiding Obama.

[Jane]

It's Friday! Which is one day closer to Saturday! Which, more gloriously, is one day closer to next Saturday!

I dunno Hit, maybe you shouldn't wish your life away like that. I hear there is a national beer holiday between now and then.

[Danube of Thought]

Mornin', everybody. We don't seem to be getting a lot of action here lately. Could Typepad be a factor?

[MayBee]

Mornin', everybody. We don't seem to be getting a lot of action here lately. Could Typepad be a factor?

They said the pagination would cut down on the server load-- and they were right!

[hit and run]

Jane:
I hear there is a national beer holiday between now and then.

Whoa! I didn't remember that!

What did you get me? No wait, I don't want to know, make it a surprise.

[Neo]

Partisanship has reached a tipping point when the new president is circling the fire hydrant with a conservative talk-radio personality.

This line is so good it must not be wasted.

[Rick Ballard]

DoT,

You can check site traffic stats by clicking the Site Meter button on the right hand column. There has been a slight drop in traffic but it doesn't reflect the drop in comments. I think there are commenters who are being frustrated by TyphusPad but you can't prove it by traffic.

Yet.

[Soylent Red]

I hear there is a national beer holiday between now and then.

Just like Christmas, we should all strive to make every day a beer holiday. I believe Jolly Ol' St. Hit is ahead of the curve.

[MikeS]

...the Dim's are painting R's as uncaring for "blocking" the stimulous bill.

The Republicans need to make it clear that they are only resisting half of the current 'stimulus' bill. That half is the worst legislation ever to come out of the House of Representatives. It is a malicious scam to slip spending items past the American people without scrutiny. These spending items would never be accepted if they were given even a perfunctory examination by Congress. Indeed, some of these spending items have already been voted down in the past. To allow passage of that half of this bill would be negligent and a betrayal of the public trust.

[hit and run]

You know, Soylent, you've managed to change my mind. I was going to not stop at the store for the weekend case of beer due to personal economic uncertainty . . . but you have reminded me of my sacred duty to lead on the issue of celebrating the observance of beer holidays. And not only that, I also have a patriotic duty to perform a personal stimulus where I can make the most impact.

And should economic uncertainty be economic calamity, I will have no fear.

I am too big to fail.

[Soylent Red]

WRT economic uncertainty, spiritual leadership, and patriotic duty...

You can fulfill all three demands by downgrading to Schlitz or Falstaff.

[bad]

I am too big to fail.

A little more arugula in your diet and you will soon be as svelte as ___________.

[Soylent Red]

Careful what you recommend bad...

I understand that the over-consumption of arugula can cause man-boobies.

[bad]

Thanks alot Soylent. Good think my anti-nausea meds are strong.

[cultured pearls]

Good page!
I like!