Josh Marshall Pleads For Submission To Authority

Bruce McQuain of Q and O mocks Josh Marshall's partisan pleading for the stimulus package so we hardly need to.  But this from Dr. Marshall was too good to overlook:

But in most areas of our lives, when faced with dire potential consequences, we put our stock with scientific or professional consensus where it exists, as it does here.

See, as examples, the Patriot Act, the 2002 Iraq War Resolution, or the international consensus that Saddam had WMDs.  Or have libs forgotten all that?

And let me add, what consensus on the stimulus is he talking about?

ADDENDUM:  Kevin Drum tackled the WMD consensus, and here is Tim Russert in 2005 linking WMDs to the power of fear and a compliant media:

Mr. Russert: When you say the deference of the public and the deference of the media--post- September 11th, there was a fear of terrorism, an inability to know whether there were weapons of mass destruction by the public or by the media. George W. Bush said there were. Bill and Hillary Clinton said there were. The Russians, French and Germans, who opposed the war, said there were. Hans Blix of the U.N. said there were.

Matt Drudge's current headline is "The Fear - Pass It Now Or We May Never Recover".  Looks like "Hope And change" has morphed into "Fear And More Of The Same" in just two weeks.

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Comments

[clarice]

I especially like putting my future in the hands of folks who want tax revenues to go to yacht owners to hire the unemployable youths to fix up their boats.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/tales_of_stimulus_pork.html>Up yours,Josh!

[bgates]

Yeesh. Ezra Klein and Josh Marshall. Give me cousin Bill and the real mosquitos - socially acceptable to slap them to death, and they suck less.

[MayBee]

I brought up the 2002 Iraq War Resolution on a lefty blog once, and I was told by several people the difference is the Iraq War was based on a lie, and this is a real emergency.

[kim]

Oh yah, Josh's approach to information management always smacked of the authoritarian.
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[Amused bystander]

bgates: and you can even buy stuff to keep them off you. Well, at least the mosquitoes.

[Jim Ryan]

Are we still on tragedy with this bill? It feels like we've move on to farce.

[Barney Frank]

LOL, bgates.

[Ranger]

Quick translation of Obama's "The time for talk is over"... I don't have any counter arguments to make so pass this now before the poll numbers get any worse...

[centralcal]

Also at Drudge - Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized . . . cancer surgery. OMG is Doh'bama gonna get to pick a Supreme Court justice so soon?

[Neo]

Once again, this proves that Obama “screwed the pooch” when he left the crafting of the “stimulus” to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

If the press had vetted Obama even slightly better than a teenager scopes out a prepaid hooker, this inexperienced naive wouldn’t be POTUS.

[verner]

Obummer must know that he's in deep poo if even John McCain and Lindsey Graham don't want to play bi-partisan!

No guts. If he believes in his "message" then he needs to quit whining and just go ahead and get it passed without a single republican vote. As he keeps on reminding us, he won.

[Rick Ballard]

TyphusPad test - I can see comments in the column on the right but nothing shows under the post itself.

Have I mentioned that Six Apart Sux recently?

[PeterUK]

Obama probably talked this over with God and Tony Blair,He saw what they had wrought and it was good.

[clarice]

Rick, the only way to see new comments w/o waiting about 5-10 minutes for me to to do the html?cid=x thing on each thread. First we rout Congress--then typhus pad. And then anyone else who bothers me.

[bad]

Clarice, what yachts are there to fix? $500,000 CEOs can't afford yachts...

[verner]

Harry Reid thinks they've got 60.

And I want to see the so called Republican that will vote for it. Any bets?

Oh, and read Shumers remarks at the end for a big laugh.

[verner]

Oh, article LUN

[bad]

From Verner's link:

"If they think they're going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away," said Reid, when asked about efforts by about 20 centrists to lop off $100 billion to $200 billion from the cost of the package.

Is this code for O needs a cigarette and will be leaving WH grounds to smoke it?

[PeterUK]

"If they think they're going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away," said Reid,"

Not so much of a "uniter" then? Politics is about compromise,not taking your bat and ball home.

[Danube of Thought]

The Politics of Fear.

If there's a Republican who votes for this thing, he or she instantly becomes more distasteful than John McCain.

[cathyf]

As far as not waiting 5-10 minutes, does the /comments/page/10000/#comments thingy work too, clarice? (I talked about it in this comment here: hey if I can do a permalink to a comment why can't the six apart doofuses do it?)

[matt]

Patsy Cline's "I Fall to Pieces" comes to mind.....the wheels are coming off. I take no joy in this, but the arrogance and incompetence are colossal.

[bgates]

If they think they're going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away
Could I also get a cheeseburger?

No, that's greedy. If they rewrite the bill and Obama leaves, that's more than enough to satisfy me.

[bad]

Drudge is using a picture of O featuring a prominent teleprompter.

[bad]

The press is bitching about the lack of promptness in Gibb's appearance for briefings.

[cathyf]

Actually, if I use my Back button to go BACK to the page that I started typing into the comment box, place my cursor at the last comment before the comment box (which was the last comment on the thread when I started writing my comment) and hit "refresh" then my comment, and any intervening comments show up immediately.

The problem I am having is that like 10-30% of the time when I refresh a JOM window the page draws with the formatting all hosed up. Instead of three columns, just one long column, and no green background.

[MayBee]

Not so much of a "uniter" then? Politics is about compromise,not taking your bat and ball home.

He tried for 2 weeks to change the way Washington works, PUK. That's enough, don't you think?

[Amused bystander]

Buzz is that that Obama will get his bill.

[PeterUK]

Maybee,
"He tried for 2 weeks to change the way Washington works, PUK. That's enough, don't you think?"

Much longer than this mayfly has applied himself before.

[Porchlight]

I take no joy in this

You're a better person than me - I take lots of joy in it.

[Rocky O'Tootle]

I think Marshall is right about this: the only way for Republicans to win back the Congress and get the pork power for themselves is to sabotage Obama, let the economy fall to pieces, and then blame it all on the Democrats in 2010. We've got to stick to our talking points people!
NO to stimulus in 2009 = YES to GOP in 2010.

[MayBee]

Gibbs just cut off Jake Tapper.
He pissed Tapper off, then he cut him off.

[bad]

Maybee, I'm looking forward to Tapper's write-up of that exchange.

[bgates]

sabotage Obama
Can I have that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" bumper sticker you're not using anymore?
All the Republicans can do is protest. If Democrats want to vote for a hundred trillion dollar package (and I've asked my Democratic Senator to do just that) no one can stop them. As your god-king said, he won. So, they have the government. They get to govern.
let the economy fall to pieces
By letting the Democrats pass whatever legislation they want to, that is probably what will happen. People have to learn.
and then blame it all on the Democrats in 2010
Or give them credit if the bill works. Think positive, new troll.

[Ranger]

I think Marshall is right about this: the only way for Republicans to win back the Congress and get the pork power for themselves is to sabotage Obama, let the economy fall to pieces, and then blame it all on the Democrats in 2010. We've got to stick to our talking points people!

NO to stimulus in 2009 = YES to GOP in 2010.

Posted by: Rocky O'Tootle | February 05, 2009 at 02:33 PM

Hmmm... lets rework this and see if it fits:

the only way for Democrats to win back the Congress and get the pork power for themselves is to sabotage Bush, let Iraq fall to pieces, and then blame it all on the Republicans in 2006. We've got to stick to our talking points people!

NO to victory in 2005 = YES to Dems in 2006.

Sound about right?

[clarice]

I don't know if that works, cathyf. I just was astonished that using cid=x for the first time in ages I was able to see the posts in close to real time.

[RichatUF]

If it's going to pass the Senate today why does Obama need a press-event on Monday night and a full court press through the weekend. It passed the House by a wide margin, he has the votes for it to pass the Senate, and after it is tweaked in conference (plus it up with some more pork for Fat Murtha and Tax Cheat Rangel) it'll be on the President's desk by next week.

People wanted change.

[Strawman Cometh]

Rich Sanchez (cnn) just said that Ben Nelson was could be one republican vote for the package. An infobabe - an attractive brunette - corrected him.

Josh Marshall is a tool of long standing - at least he took that brooding, pretentious photo off his blog. And I hate how he injects the "Denialist" trope into yet another contentious subject.

[MayBee]

How do people simultaneously argue for the bill AND say the Republicans (who can't stop the bill) are banking on the economy tanking if the bill passes?

[bad]

Maybee, I think pointing out that lack of logic is old politics as usual.

[Extraneus]

cathyf, from your comment in the other thread

According to google, that text is on the page with the url http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/02/daschle-down-but-hardly-out.html?CID=X.

This seems potentially interesting, because I don't think that url would go to the end of thread, because the "CID" is upper-case. I've only been able to get it to work in lower-case, so I concluded that whatever their scripting language is has case-sensitivity to querystring parameters (which seems pretty dumb, since people can type urls). I know TM used this a few times, but "CID" just takes me to the first page, as if there wasn't a querystring at all. Maybe the problem related to that?

[BC]

Strawman Cometh has the right of it: Marshall's hilarious pretensions of clear-eyed empiricism are well-known.

[clarice]

IIRC Reid also said they';d stopped the Patriot Bill.

[Strawman Cometh]

Maybee,
Rush makes the opposite point , that 0 wants the repubs on board the package so that they can share the blame when it all goes down in flames.

We need a seat?

[Extraneus]

Of course I didn't mean your comment was only "potentially" interesting. Far from it!

[Strawman Cometh]

Well, I botched that. Tried to paste two url's in text, here's one -LUN - asking if it is too late for Gregg to say thanks but not thanks and keep his Senate seat

[Strawman Cometh]

The other is a request for A Markopolis thread and a link to his testimony. I would like to see Chaco's , Rick's and others here responses to his detailed suggestion for a complete overall and consolidation of the financial regulators.

[Extraneus]

That would be a death blow. He could say that he learned more about the "stimulus" bill and its true objectives, and realized he couldn't support such destructive economic policies.

[Strawman Cometh]

And a request for a Markopolis thread - his testimony LUN

[Jane]

"If they think they're going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away," said Reid,"

I want to see him stomp his feet.

[verner]

"If they think they're going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away," said Reid,"

Latest Rasmussen--37% support the stimulus.

Repubs to Obama---FU.

[clarice]

Well, verner , he can always point to his successes in filling his cabinet slots.

[verner]

Clarice, I'm starting to think he's going to have to fill the entire cabinet with Republicans--they're the only ones who pay their taxes.

[Pofarmer]

Latest Rasmussen--37% support the stimulus.

Repubs to Obama---FU.

That's more like "Country to Obama---FU."

Wasn't Bush supposedly without any standing whatsoever with approval numbers around there? Look for Barrack Hussein to plumb the approval numbers of Congress within a year.

[clarice]

Verner, you are on a roll.

[bgates]

Translating this post's title into Arabic and back into English yields "Josh Marshall Pleads for Islam to Allah".

(not really.)

[bgates]

Wasn't Bush supposedly without any standing whatsoever with approval numbers around there?
No, mid-30's was the "worst numbers since ___" (Nixon, Truman...Caligula....) "No standing whatsoever" started around 28%.

Obama, by contrast, has the united support of the Hispanics (14%) and blacks (14%).

Except Etta James.

[cathyf]

I concluded that whatever their scripting language is has case-sensitivity to querystring parameters (which seems pretty dumb, since people can type urls).

I think the issue is what the search bots do in following urls. The case-sensitivity is browser specific -- IE is not case sensitive, while all of the other browsers are. (I Bill's defense, if I remember correctly the standard is that urls are NOT supposed to be case sensitive, so IE is doing the correct thing in following that url to the last page.) So this is going to be something in the search bot, and we don't know what they do.

[Antimedia]

I brought up the 2002 Iraq War Resolution on a lefty blog once, and I was told by several people the difference is the Iraq War was based on a lie, and this is a real emergency.

And they know this because they have the exact same level of knowledge of the facts now as they had then.....

[PD]

If it's going to pass the Senate today why does Obama need a press-event on Monday night and a full court press through the weekend.

He's thinking that we'll all recoil in horror at the prospect of even more exposure to him and lobby our Senators to pass the bill: "Anything, anything! Just not more of *him* in our faces!"

[PD]

I concluded that whatever their scripting language is has case-sensitivity to querystring parameters (which seems pretty dumb, since people can type urls).

I have never written a script to check for parameter names on a case-insensitive basis. Yes, people can type URLs, but you don't expect them to type complicated ones like that. The script itself is supposed to properly generate its own URLs, not the user. Which is a measure of just how broken TypePad has become, that users are driven to the desperate measure of constructing these kinds of URLs.

[BR]

Re: Kim's and bgates' - submission to authority. I was remembering Oscar Wilde's: "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

When people no longer own their homes or can afford their rents, here's my variation: "America is the only country that went from capitalism to serfdom without passing through communism."