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February 23, 2009

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kim

The fact that cannabis persists in urine long after any mental impairment has disappeared has been a source of great injustice.
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P

Don't you realize how many people the War on Freedom Drugs employs?

kim

I've heard that the value of the California marijuana crop exceeds that of any other agricultural product. I've little insight into whether that is true or not.
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matt

from a libertarian viewpoint, it makes sense. It's a huge industry and the war against pot has been lost. Perhaps if they concentrate on coke and other hard drugs they have a chance of making a dent. We can start to let some of the pot convicts out as well, reducing the pressure on prisons.

StrawmanCometh

Kim,
Does it taste like asparagus?

StrawmanCometh

We should buy up the Afgani poppy crop as well. And grow industrial hemp.

kim

I've suggested docking pay according to cannabinoid levels, and perhaps making workers ineligible for worker's comp after an injury if levels indicate acute intoxication. Something is badly wrong with how things are done now.
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kim

Don't get me started on asparagus. I once had a fine row of asparagus, and never did any of it make it inside the house. I'd go out and graze on it in the morning. Fortunately, no one else in the household liked asparagus. Now, I forgot your question; what was it?
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Thomas Collins

Please send some to the Financial District in Boston, kim. The asparagus, of course, not the weed. :-))

Thomas Collins

What's Gary Locke's view on selling weed wordwide to reduce the current account deficit? That should be one of his priorities as Commerce Secretary (see LUN), assuming he actually become Commerce Secretary.

PDinDetroit

Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's let the Government just say it's OK and regulate it.

Just look how Michigan is screwing the pooch on this issue - LUN.

David

Legalization would be a great idea, but I don't think it will raise much tax. It is far easier to cultivate than tobacco and users consume far less than cigarette smokers. If the taxes are significant, the black market or home-growing will prevail.

Pofarmer

Let's just say there's quite a bit of expertise at growing Marijuana in MO, and leave it at that.

kim

David, this is why prohibition failed, or at least one of the reasons. Alcohol is easy to homebrew. Heck, nature manufactured it long before we came along.
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clarice

If it releases from prison non-violent offenders who weren't dealers in any real world sense, it'll be worth it.

matt

that's it! We can export pot to Europe! The Middle East is where it's really needed, though.....they're just so excitable....

bgates

Weed would fit in well with the "Buy American" mantra, but I don't know that Mexico would benefit; if anything, the message of "our safe, mild pharmaceutical, your life-destroying devil drug" would spur resentment, yes?

I agree that it would likely save Social Security - legalize pot, Obamatons wouldn't be able to drag themselves to the polls, free marketers sweep the Congress, an unprecedented increase in productivity eliminates the government's fiscal concerns, and we all live happily ever after.

Pofarmer

that's it! We can export pot to Europe! The Middle East is where it's really needed, though.....they're just so excitable....

And we'll give Freetoh Lay a boost selling Cheeto's!!!!

Thomas Collins

Is anyone familiar with when extensive regulation of substance use developed in the US? Was it Watch and Ward Society types worried about dissolute immigrants, or factory owners worried about drunk or high workers? I have always wondered whether substance bans were worth the bother. Prohibition of booze was an interesting case. I believe booze abuse actually went down (sure, people violated the law, but for any law, there will be violators), but at a terrible cost of providing a ready source of income for organized crime and making criminals out of what most folks would recognize as normal, law abiding people. I just wonder if anyone has looked extensively, over time, with a dispassionate eye, over whether substance regulation is worth the candle (or the bong, as it were).

Danube of Thought

I would support it. I would also support simple legalization, and the hell with the tax part.

PeterUK

"that's it! We can export pot to Europe!"

Europe doesn't need it,it's off its head anyway.It would be regard as American imperialism,all those McCannabis outlets.
The danger with cannabis is that it is involved in the development of schizophrenia,that modern skunk is nothing like the pot of the sixties and that some do not need something to make them even more useless blobs of protoplasm that they are now.

bad

Kim, asparagus greenery is gorgeous tucked into bouquets.

Bruce Hayden
I would support it. I would also support simple legalization, and the hell with the tax part.
I don't think that you are going to get just the legalization part. There is no incentive in that for the government, and some disincentive - there would be less need for SWAT teams and prisons.

The alcohol system seems to work just fine. Sure, there is a small amount of bootlegging, but not that much. Most of the alcohol consumed in this country probably has had its taxes paid (at least the federal one). My guess is that the reason is that the tax is not all that much compared to the hassle of acquiring bootleg alcohol, plus the big distillers and brewers can make up for the tax with economies of scale.

And this brings up the hypocrisy problem. Why should one intoxicant not be taxed, and another taxed? Indeed, I would expect that there are more booze drinkers right now than pot smokers, and so to get this passed, there would have to be at least as much tax on pot as there is on booze.

rrsafety

Any revenue estimates on this? Surely an advocacy group has run the numbers.. or are they too high?

narciso79

I wrote a paper on it, for a criminology class, based on Epstein's "Agency of Fear" & Rthna Nadleman's then recent tome on law enforcement. the anti-Heroin crusade was driven by a fmr Alabama navy lieutenant
Richmond Hopkins, but ultimately carried forth by former US Minister to the Phillipines and Republican Congressman Charles Harrison of the Harrison Act. This preceded Prohibition, a much more expansive movement by 7 years; although both came from Progressive roots. As I mentioned to leading antiprohibitionist M. Simon, Nelson Rockefeller carried the propagandaexperience
he gained during WW 2, working the
Coordinator for Information Desk, in Latin America; to argue for the Rockefeller laws, supposedly attributed to his great grandfather's involvement in patent medicines.

Elliott

Thank you again to all who provided London recommendations. Clarice mentioned the Inns of Court and I can report I very much enjoyed the Inns of Court walking tour that Porchlight mentioned last fall. The walk rotates guides according to the day you go, but I don't think anyone who has Shaughan as a guide will be disappointed (though please do not believe him should he tell you the pub in the old Bank of England building "do a very nice cream tea"). As there is at least one other JOMster who is an enthusiastic fan of Love Actually, I would be remiss were I to fail to note that Shaughan has a tiny role in it.

Rowan Atkinson, whose role in that film was a bit larger, is appearing through late July in a delightful production of Oliver, which cast the role of Nancy through a reality show competition. Finally, if you go on London Walks ramble through Mayfair you can take a look inside the church in which Love Actually's wedding scene was filmed.

Having reached the Mickey Kaus' threshold number for declaring a trend, I can call it a night.

Patrick R. Sullivan
I just wonder if anyone has looked extensively, over time, with a dispassionate eye, over whether substance regulation is worth the candle (or the bong, as it were).

Milton Friedman for starters.

Thomas Collins

Thanks, narciso79. The Progressive roots are interesting. Even back then, the era's "enlightened" favored nanny government.

By the way, narciso79, are you the blogger formerly known as narciso?

Extraneus

I've heard that a single day after the change from a months-old metal-halide lamp, which mimics the summer spectrum, to an autumn-spectrum sodium lamp on a shorter daily timer-setting, which fools the plants into a panic that they might have missed the mating season, results in an amazingly colorful and unforgettably voluptuous display of wanton plant sex-organs, etc.

Porchlight

Elliott, so glad you enjoyed the Inns of Court tour. Did Shaughan ask you about American politics at all? He asked my friend and I where we were from and when my friend said she lived in Cincinnati, he ventured to hope that "Barack" would take Ohio (this was in mid-late October). I kept my mouth shut. Ah well.

sbw

Speaking of someone smokin' somethin:

Via Drudge, Variety reports: Sean Penn as Joe Wilson?


Bwa! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Porchlight

You've "heard" that, huh Extraneus? :)

Apropos of nothing, two fun novels featuring pot-growing:

1) Budding Prospects (1984) by T. Coraghessan Boyle - set in Humboldt County, CA, 'nuff said

2) Give Us A Kiss (1996) by Daniel Woodrell - a "country noir" set in the Missouri Ozarks

Enjoyed the second one especially - I adore the Ozarks.

Porchlight

Variety reports: Sean Penn as Joe Wilson?

Who else? Now, how about Gwyneth for Val? Or Laura Linney?

john dalton

I’m a conservative, republican, non-drinker and non-drugger, but I’m against the war on drugs. It is a most foolish and harmful program at every level – federal, state and local. We have not denied anyone drugs. Instead, our laws have made drugs more expensive, more dangerous to obtain, and have created a corrupting influence on police forces both here and abroad. Our jails are full of druggies and dealers. We’ve fattened up police and prison guard unions. Drug law generated risk and the concomitant profits are destroying a large portion of the African American population. It’s time to stop. Legalize, tax and discourage drugs. Stop the madness.

vnjagvet

How is the Swiss approach working? I understand Switzerland, has to a degree ,subsidized heroin use by furnishing needles, safe places to inject, and in and out patient treatment for addicts even providing the heroin at times.

bad

Sean's hair is not important enough.

kim

sbw, I've long had a sneaking suspicion that the Plame movie will actually get the story right, but now I'm doubtful with Sean Penn in the lead.
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clarice

The interesting news is buried in the article (which surely is a lie planted by the Plame Wilson's publicist)--Warner Bros turned it down.

Extraneus

Damn, would a Joe and Val movie be great or what? Sexy locales, cool cars, dashing subversives.

Obama's already down to 58% approval, below where Bush was at the same point in his first term, and there's no way a Joe and Val movie wouldn't drop that further.

sbw

That movie can't get the Wilson story right if they are making the screenplay from that book.

And Sean Penn is too liberally angst-driven to ferret out the inconsistencies.

Hey! maybe we could write the screenplay! They NEVER follow the book! I can see it now:

"I'd like to thank the Academy..."

Danube of Thought

Kim, Sean Penn wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole if it were going to tell the truth.

I don't recall if Friedman, Buckley or anyone else specifically took a look at the cost-benefit analysis of the whole business of outlawing drugs, but the conclusions seem so obvious to me that it's hard to imagine we would ever start doing what we're doing now if we weren't doing it already.

Imagine: No incentive to traffic in illegal drugs; no murderous cartel wars; no court dockets crammed with drug cases; no prisons crammed with offenders. All drug-related crime vanishes overnight; drug criminals face the prospect of actually doing honest work.

The downside: folks who are going to screw themselves up on drugs and ruin their lives will find it somewhat easier to do so. Big deal--what good were they going to do for human society anyway?

narciso

This is the second such vanity project on the subject; that Rod Lurie's directed monstrosity "Nothing but the Truth" which couldn't get anywhere with Kate Beckinsale
and Vera Farmiga. The truth as we've discerned is much more interesting than that presented by either Wilson or Rozen's book, the Wilson part seems tailormade for
a "Spies like Me" revision set in Niger,
possibly not knowing the real point of the story. Actually he's closer to Ackroyd's
electronics and language expert, or actually Radar from Mash. Naturally, he's clueless about the actual purpose of the mission, which was to forestall the Iraq
invasion, which the Sauds saw rightly as
a challenge to their regional hegemony.

kim

Yes, we most certainly do have the foundations for a screenplay which will be topical about the time disillusionment with Obama and the Appeasing and Incompetent Democrats hits rock bottom. Amusing to think of dueling screenplays, with opposing points of view.
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kim

A really clever director could put out two versions of the same movie, one to run in the Blue Hells, and the other to run in Red Paradises. In fact, that's a great idea. I'll settle for 1% of the gross.
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rhymin simon

You don't send me Flowers anymore or pushing up the Daisies. J. Christopher Flowers, who earned a $20 million fee for advising Bank of America Corp. on its September agreement to buy Merrill Lynch & Co., said he was “shocked” at the decline in the value of Merrill’s assets in the following months. Bank of America completed the $29 billion transaction on Jan. 1 only after getting promises of more aid from the U.S. government.

“I did not fully appreciate the implications” for the financial markets of the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in September, Flowers said.

Flowers is a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. partner. He joined a group of Goldman Sachs alumni in striking a deal in January to buy Pasadena, California-based IndyMac Bank from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which seized it after a run on deposits in July.

His purchase of Long-Term Credit Bank of Japan Ltd. in 2001 was once described by Carlyle Group’s David Rubenstein as the most successful in the history of private equity. His current investments include a stake in Germany’s Hypo Real Estate Holding AG. The German government has said it may nationalize the bank if it can’t reach agreement with Flowers over buying his stake. He bought for $22 Euros in June 2008 and is trying to get the Germans to take his share for $3 Euro.
What Flowers actually did was import Japan's lost decade to America with his purchase of the Japanese Bank. Japan had created their own housing bubble in the Eighties and Flowers and his ilk globalized the asset bubble in the past decade.
Flowers said “low-life grave dancers like me” stand to make “a tremendous fortune” from the financial crisis.

Some of the best opportunities will be in the purchase of assets from governments that were forced to seize failing financial institutions, Flowers, 51, said during a panel discussion in New York today. His “grave dancer” remark drew laughs at the event, sponsored by Source Communications.

The creeps got is in trouble and now they want to get paid for trying to reinflate assets

PDinDetroit

DoT - That sounds rather "Utopian" in nature (the Imagine part gives it away). Are you really sure that legalizing all drugs will work as you state?

I can see that some people in jail and/or "caught a case" for simple possession would be resolved this way. There are many more crimes that people commit in the course of "getting and using" that will still be punished as there are laws covering such (so these will still end up in jail). Then, there are the questions around regulation of distribution and use in "Public Places" (this is currently on-going here in Michigan). I think there are far more questions/issues raised instead of solved.

I am one of those people who ruined their lives with the use of drugs. Since cleaning up, I have gone from High School Drop-Out to Chief IT Architect of a Global Business Unit in 19 years clean and sober. I have raised 2 children, one of which will probably play soccer at a collegiate level and will become a doctor. I mentor 5 guys who range between 10 and 23 years clean and sober, who impact the lives of young people daily (2 teachers and 1 pastor). There are others like me, although the odds are not good (only 1 in 35 make it). I would hardly say that I have done nothing with my life since getting clean and sober.

I believe that, within my lifetime, pot will be legalized. I have mixed emotions over it as it was part of my "active addiction" that lead to everything else. I go to recovery meetings and see the damages of ruined lives first-hand. I also see many who turn their lives around and lead productive, active lives.

I still believe in my heart that legalizing drugs will only make things worse in the long run.

Strawman Cometh

Geert is brilliant on O'Reilly despite O'Reilly's moronic questions. O'Reilly doesn't get it, he is full of .... moral equivilance. And now he sees it in Helen Thomas, which is true.

jimmyk

I just wonder if anyone has looked extensively, over time, with a dispassionate eye, over whether substance regulation is worth the candle (or the bong, as it were).

Jeff Miron has written a lot on this. From the synopsis of his book:


Many people believe that the huge cost of drug prohibition is an acceptable price to pay for its purported benefits—reduced drug use and associated health problems, fewer traffic and industrial accidents, and less crime and poverty.

According to economist Jeffrey A. Miron, however, most of the ills typically attributed to drug consumption are due not to drugs per se but to drug prohibition. In Drug War Crimes: The Consequences of Prohibition, Miron shows that prohibition increases violence, creates new health risks for drug users, enriches criminals, and diminishing our civil liberties. Prohibition, he forcefully argues, is a poor method of reducing drug use and an inappropriate goal for government policy.

LUN

Strawman Cometh

Kim,
We could shoot two movies and release one. My favorite Hollywood story: As Richard Lester shot his Three Musketeers, unknown to the actors, (Michael York, Faye Dunaway, Racquel, Oliver Reed) he was also shooting Four Musketeers. I believe he had to settle with some of them when the second movie came out.
The barking seals will read the lines.

Sean Penn has the perfect hyper inflated ego for Wilson.
The rest of the cast has to be carefully considered, especially Timmy and Fitz.
For Val perhaps Lisa Kudrow?


bad

Val---Barbara Walters
Joe---Alan Colmes

narciso

I guess, but considering that the Marijuana act was in 1937, and we didn't really have a problem with it, till the mid 50s and certainly the 60s, isn't the culture really
a bigger issue than prohibition. It's ironic that we're going in this direction as the Dutch are reconsidering their cafes, and the Swiss are closing up their needle parks

Geert Wilders must have been wondering to himself, can you really be this clueless to O'Reilly considering where you live and work. I'm guessing BOR isn't too well versed on Surahs 5& 9, among just a few. My understanding, is that he will be speaking the second night at CPAC. Which is an interesting turn of events,

Stephanie

Biden as Cutter?

Cutter couldn't tie his own shoes without permission.

The $50 million fund was jointly branded between the Bidens' Paradigm Global Advisors LLC and a Stanford Financial Group entity and was known as the Paradigm Stanford Capital Management Core Alternative Fund. Stanford-related companies marketed the fund to investors and also invested about $2.7 million of their own money in the fund, according to a lawyer for Paradigm. Paradigm Global Advisors is owned through a holding company by the vice president's son, Hunter, and Joe Biden's brother, James.

These drug cartels represent a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States.

LUN

Neo

The upside of legalizing MJ .. more money for SCHIPS.

The downside .. more potheads driving automobiles, as if cell phones weren't bad enough.

Neo

You have to wonder if the market for marijuana will go the way of carbon.

bgates

Joe Wilson.

Valerie.

Since it's our version, may I present JOM's Dick Cheney.

bad

Interesting picks, but the actors look waaaaay too intellectual for Joe and Val, bgates.

I love Jom's Cheney.

 Ann

Holy Carp, Stephanie!

If Biden goes under the bus does that mean Nancy Pelosi will be the V.P. or the the persident pro tempore which would be Sheets Byrd?

This could be ammusing!

 Ann

That would be "amusing"! as in ROFLMAO!

bgates

the actors look waaaaay too intellectual

Unless you're using "intellectual" to mean "smart", that shouldn't be a problem. My Joe has pretty important hair, which is the most critical feature of the role, and he has a history of playing creepy government heavies.

I admit I don't have Valerie quite right. The last part I think I hit well enough that we should consider making the Wilson silliness just a couple of episodes in JOM's first dramatic webcast series, "Cheney: Defender of the Republic".

Captain Hate

Variety reports: Sean Penn as Joe Wilson?

Who else? Now, how about Gwyneth for Val? Or Laura Linney?

Why not completely mock those gasbags?
Wilson: Joaquin Phoenix currently
Val: Roseanne Barr or, if she's too fat, Amy Winehouse

Pofarmer

Credentialed Moron Alert.

Could this guy really be the cause of the financial meltdown?

LUN

A year ago, it was hardly unthinkable that a math wizard like David X. Li might someday earn a Nobel Prize. After all, financial economists—even Wall Street quants—have received the Nobel in economics before, and Li's work on measuring risk has had more impact, more quickly, than previous Nobel Prize-winning contributions to the field. Today, though, as dazed bankers, politicians, regulators, and investors survey the wreckage of the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression, Li is probably thankful he still has a job in finance at all. Not that his achievement should be dismissed. He took a notoriously tough nut—determining correlation, or how seemingly disparate events are related—and cracked it wide open with a simple and elegant mathematical formula, one that would become ubiquitous in finance worldwide.

For five years, Li's formula, known as a Gaussian copula function, looked like an unambiguously positive breakthrough, a piece of financial technology that allowed hugely complex risks to be modeled with more ease and accuracy than ever before. With his brilliant spark of mathematical legerdemain, Li made it possible for traders to sell vast quantities of new securities, expanding financial markets to unimaginable levels.

DebinNC

"Li has been notably absent from the current debate over the causes of the crash. In fact, he is no longer even in the US. Last year, he moved to Beijing to head up the risk-management department of China International Capital Corporation. In a recent conversation, he seemed reluctant to discuss his paper and said he couldn't talk without permission from the PR department"

Attention, conspiracy theorists.

Donald

Kim,

The drug war, the new deal, and the great society are the most evil scourges ever visited on our society.

kim

What? Not flouride?
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steveaz

For those Greenies reading this thread - don't forget the fiber and biomass markets that normalization of cannabis will spur.

Right now, private citizens cannot innovate new hemp-fiber and biomass technologies without the cloying oversight of state and Federal agencies.

Imagine: would Thomas Edison have ever invented the light bulb with 6-government inspectors and a judge looking over his shoulder night and day? OSHA'd have had a field day with his lab-habits, and his wooden stool, I'm sure, would not have passed the Fed's ergonomics rules.

This relaxation of the "War" on drugs could compliment a general liberalization of our economy - and it would fly firmly in the face of the regulatory fetish exhibited by our new overlords in Washington DC.

Donald

Not really up on that flouride thing, I'll get back to ya.

cathyf

I always thought Cybil Shepherd or maybe Candice Bergen for Our Gal Val.

Porchlight

PDinDetroit, I agree with your thoughts on legalizing drugs. It will create far more problems than it will solve. When Europeans are reconsidering their liberal drug policies, we should be paying attention.

I could be persuaded that legalizing pot alone might be an okay way to go, but that wouldn't solve our narcotics problem. And legalizing narcotics seems like insanity to me. The associated crime wave would be enormous, and that is only one of many unpleasant side effects. A junkie on every corner, instead of just a few - what could go wrong?

bad

CathyF, lovely ladies you've selected to be Val....

But I think they are too youthful and attractive for a realistic portrayal.

Donald

Porchlight, the constitution gives us the freedom to destroy our selves, and yet beautifully, the responsibility to not harm others. The answer is not to create a criminal industry of incarceration, drug testing and endless fines. The answer is allow free people to live their lives. If these free people violate the freedom and property of others there should be actual hell to pay, not a revolving door of mini-sentences, and probation, and fines, and testing. Punishment for actual crimes. If the criminal legal system were'nt such a cluster fuck game, there would be a lot less crime, lawyers, judges, probation officers, drug testing companies,...

Donald

Oh, and people don't pay for their crimes in Europe.

RichatUF

Porchlight-

What, you don't want more sloth?

Captain Hate

CathyF, lovely ladies you've selected to be Val....

But I think they are too youthful and attractive for a realistic portrayal.

Like Whoreyweird wouldn't wish to make her as "elegant" (to coin a Pennism) as possible?

Sue

We need a bubble head to play Val. Goldie Hawn.

Porchlight

The way we are going, Donald, people won't truly pay for their crimes here, either. If drugs were legalized there would still be a revolving door on the prisons; it will simply be a different set of crimes. Not to mention the billions we will spend trying to keep kids off the drugs we just made it easier for them to get.

bad

Nice choice Sue, but too intellectual to be Val.

Donald

How bout the parents do what mine did to me? Beat the crap out of the buggers. It works.

Porchlight, I'm sure you realize my argument, and that it's that we've creatived a crimal justice industry. Punishment gets watered down for some offenses, and overblown for others. This is America. And while it's been taken away from me by an evil and overblown federal government, I want it back. I believe that each and every member of the executive, congressional, and legilative branche's that don't acknowledge what the country should be (Ron Paul...the only sane person in federal government? There's a discussion, huh?), is basically guilty of treason and should face real live ass fucking prison. That'd straighten out the Chris Dodd's, Arlen Specter's, Barak Obama's, and which ever supreme court justice working to destroy the constitution you choose. But not Barney Frank I suppose.

Donald

Or we could give 'em the classy way out and let'm face firing squads or hangings.

MayBee

It was almost exactly one year ago this same director, Rob Liman, leaked Nicole Kidman's name as the choice to play Valerie. It was all over the blogs.

Now Warner has dropped it and he's leaking (right around the Oscars-- again) Sean Penn's name and claiming Naomi Watts is attached to the project.

We'll see. The anti-Iraq war in general and Plame in particular seem to me to be stories that have played themselves out. Another year before the movie is even released will make it pretty old news.

bad

Sean Penn as Val
John eff'n Kerry as Joe

Captain Hate

It was almost exactly one year ago this same director, Rob Liman, leaked Nicole Kidman's name as the choice to play Valerie.
In it's own way that might be perfect. A year or so ago I saw Kidman on "Ellen" (don't ask) and it was shocking just how incredibly stupid she sounded. It made her marriage to TomRon Hubbard make sense. If you summed her and Degenerate's IQs you might hit double digits.

bad

Captain, I have to ask. Please dish.

bad

Clarice, how are you feeling today?

kim

bad, I think it's like the rabbit petrified by the snake.
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MayBee

Captain Hate- now he's saying Naomi Watts rather than Nicole Kidman.

Captain Hate

Captain, I have to ask. Please dish.

Actually it was pure boredom on my part (it may have been on July 4 iirc); I was just flipping through the dial on a weekday afternoon, not really expecting to find anything, and I found "Ellen". I remember when she used to do standup, back before her career was being gay, and found her incredibly uneven, hilarious one time and boringly stupid at others. So I watched in stunned amazement at how lame everything was, particularly the "dancing" segment which, as far as I could tell, was to show how spazzy some white people could look when trying to be "with it". Since I was bored, I kind of justified watching more in the same highbrow attitude which people have gawking at car wrecks. Kidman was on and all she did was laugh in a strangely nasally way (I was surprised I didn't hear her snort) at Ellen's stupid questions. At that point, I'd seen enough for this lifetime.

bad

I wish I had a printout of your thoughts as you watched that, Captain.

Captain Hate

Captain Hate- now he's saying Naomi Watts rather than Nicole Kidman.

LOL, they keep getting younger (only a year younger than Kidman but still..); although I was *shocked* to just find out how young Plame is. I guess being covert **snort** really adds the years.

Airbrush; AIRBRUSH DAMMIT!!!

Porchlight

Donald, I do see your argument and I definitely sympathize with your frustration. I just don't see that we're going to get that America back.

PeterUK

"Variety reports: Sean Penn as Joe Wilson?"

Pity Roddy McDowall is no longer with us.

bad

In his current state, Roddy would make a fine Joe.

PeterUK

Then again,there is always Kermit and Miss Piggy.

bad

Too atractive, PUK

PeterUK

OK,Heckle and Jeckle.

bad

Perfect... if ya dumb 'em down a tad.

PeterUK

I know,"Too attractive".

bad

I was gonna say that PUK but was afraid of boring you.

PeterUK

OK,Roy Rogers and Trigger.

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