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March 07, 2009

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mel

TM-

This, you must admit, is a bit of a gross simplification of the multiple market making activities that happen in a large Broker/Dealer. The array of derivatives traded within the environs of a B/D, the collateral used, and in some cases, where none is used (I'll get back to this one), can't be stuffed under one hat and call macaroni.

The Repo market is just that, a marketplace where individuals or institutions can trade various types of securities to cover margin positions, for an overnight lending rate. Exchange based derivatives accept only certain securities for collateral. The are called T-Bills, no messing around. Collateral accepted within a B/D, however, is determined by that B/D and governed (sort of) by the SEC. And this is where things got a bit carried away.

The big profit centers at B/D's are their own product line. And in particular, the ABS and CDS origination desks. The ABS stuff, as you got further and further away from the point of origination, generated higher and higher yielding paper, which allowed for higher and higher fees. Also known as "profit centers".

The pace of origination got so frenetic, and the profits so huge, they started to sell things, as some used car dealers do, with "no money down", or with a loan from the B/D itself, because the customer couldn't come up with the cash just yet. These became side deals that got conveniently stuffed into what are now known to everyone as SIV's. The customer was a business partner, of sorts, with the B/D. Some of these agreements went so far as to guarantee the customer would not be exposed to any losses on the underlying product.

All, until the last, were using collateral, and collateral levels, established, internally, by the B/D's and overseen by the SEC. There was no pecking order for that collateral, in the case of a bankruptcy. This was a particular concern to some large endowments and Trust companies that, as part of their business, have securities lending facilities for those large customers. They don't want to trade their positions, but are willing to lend their securities overnight, for a little extra return on their investments. That's why it was added in 2005, to cover those lenders.

No need to oversimplify something that very definitely isn't so simple.

I think.

Pofarmer

All those acronym's just make me think of STD's, which is about what all this derivative trading seems to mimic.

mel

Don't get me started. You too can be acronymed.

bad

Acronym me Mel.

mel

Kool-Aid.

Close enough bad?

And you know why they have no Kool-Aid in Minnesota, 'cause they can't figure out out to get four quarts of water into the little packet.

mel

Gotta go.

Later.

Porchlight

Minnesota jokes! Are you from Wisconsin or Iowa?

bad

Kool-Aid.

I don't get it. Some one help me out.

bad

Mel is from Illinois.

Porchlight

Ah yes, thanks, bad. I'm sort of from both Minnesota and Illinois. Born in Chicago, but my family is from Minnesota on both sides.

bad

Porch, why would Mel call me Kool-Aid?

It has to be 'cause I'm so sweeet......

DebinNC

I can't help you, bad. I pictured a turbaned Johnny Carson reading the answer card ["Kool-Aide"]..smiling sweetly while holding the question card to his forehead..ostentatiously opening it, then reading the question ["What are senators Specter, Snow, and Collins drinking?"]

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

It has to be 'cause I'm so sweeet......

And so koool.

Porchlight

bad, you're a tall cool sweet drink on a hot day of wading through the blogs. That must be what mel meant. :)

MayBee

You are very helpful, too. Thus the "aide".

bad

LOL everybody!! When Mel reurns from his Bob the Builder escapades perhaps he will bless us with his knowledge.

He may spank us all....

Rick Ballard

It's going to be entertaining to watch the Dems invoke chauvinism on this one. I would note that the Paribas/Fortis card house requires one of those public private props that Turbo envisions.

We should be thankful that the creation of new Ptolemaic economic epicycles is consuming so much of our credentialed economic moron's time. Who knows what mischief they might enter into were they not busily spinning straw into mud?

Consider the possibility that yet another form of economic Black Death device even more deadly than the elegant CDS may have been at the point of release in September.

TCO

You're a moron, Maguire. Chapter 11 is way better than propping up losers by wealth transfers from taxpayers to speculators (and keeping failed management in existence). If some counterparties twist in the wind while the 11 goes through...well that's a risk they took too. Let the speculators on derivatives deal with the outfall. Stop the Goldman Sachs bailout. Stop bailing out Warren Buffet. Those guys have enough money. They're Democrats anyhow. And bailouts encourage moral hazard. Come to Jesus workouts send the right message.

And stop trying to reinflate the bubble. THat's moronic. LEt lenders and borrowers make their own arrangements. That's the free market. If risks are high (or borrowers judge them so) then they will require high rates, collateral and "lend less". And vice-a-versa. But the government is moronic to think it can make better risk judgements. We have already demonstrated miserable judgement with all these bailouts like AIG and such which keep coming back for more. Remember the idiots here who thought the market was irrational and that the assets were undervalued and you'd make money on them? HA! Didn't turn out that way, sukkaz.

Pofarmer

Hey mel. Have you got an example of the kinds of questions you are considering?

Charlie (Colorado)

So, if I'm getting this right, Herr Doktor Marshall is starting from a basic misunderstanding of bankruptcy law in order to put the blame onto a relatively minor clarification of the status of collateralized derivatives that happens to have passed in 2005, rather than the rather more dramatic changes in GAAP and short-selling regulations that happened in 2007.

I wonder why?

mel

bad-

The kool-aid acronym was off the cuff and off subject, therefore I, of course, used it. Sole reason, and to sow confusion. The lack of culture you now own, solely, is a derivative of one of the Minnesota/ Iowa humor wars, with which Po would be intimately familiar on a number of levels. As in yogurt has more culture than your state of...

Just having some fun.

I'm not really looking for questions, but suggestions that would tweak someone watching CNBC on the question of government interference in the market place and the concomitant moral hazard of doing so.

You know, simple stuff like that which the White House no doubt thinks about every morning.

mel

TCO-

I hear black helicopters.

We better hide.

davod

I was just listening to C-Span on the radio (Not much else on Saturday afternoon) while driving.

In response to a question by Senator Kyle suggesting that new taxes on offshore oil and gas producers may be bad for consumers and steps towards energy independence, Geithner said that the country cannot continue to subsidize the oil and gas producers.

No longer tax increases but removal of subsidies.

I wonder if anyone realized how revealing this statement was - Communism or Socialism?

Imposing a tax is now removing a subsidy? Does this mean everything you own belongs to the government?

bad

Mel

1. the obvious moral hazard is that it protects idiots from the consequences of their actions while punishing the responsible, thereby reinforcing bad behavior.

2. A free market system doesn't care about gender, race, intelligence, number of appendages, past failures/successes or degree of attractiveness. It cares about providing goods and/or services someone wants and is willing to pay for. Interfering with that concept is racist, sexist, brainist, limbist, and a bunch of other ists.

3. A free market system assumes everyone is capable of succeeding on their own merits. It encourages self-confidence and self reliance.(self-esteem is a good buzzward for pop-psych kinds.) Govt intervention sows seeds of self-doubt and learned helplessness.

mel

bad-

Perfect!

davod-

Of course it's their money, they print it don't they?

bad

Thanks Mel!!! High praise coming from you, our brilliant man of mystery... except for Daddy....

pagar

which the White House no doubt thinks about every morning.

Did I miss something? Do we have some new evidence that there is someone thinking in the WH. I thought the last we heard, they weren't even smart enough to buy a decent gift for a British VIP?

MayBee

davod- Ezra Klein is pushing a similar meme right now, about limiting itemized deductions for income earners over $250,000.

He says the government is spending the money it currently lets people via itemizing, and wouldn't it be better for the government to spend it on health care instead?

mel

pagar-

Repeat after me.

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And it was a perfectly, thoughtful gift for a man who is partially blind. Hope they figure out that formatting issue. Otherwise, they sent him packing with a brand new vinyl paperweight.

pagar

Speaking of markets benefiting.

or alternate title: Another vacancy at Treasury.

Treasury Inspector ‘Quits’ In Scandal

Meanwhile, IndyMac customers who lost their savings are demanding answers and are further infuriated after learning Dochow was also the regulator in 1989 who oversaw the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan, a scandal that sent its CEO Charles Keating to prison.

bad

Mel to #2 about the moral hazards add age discrimination.

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