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April 27, 2009

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clarice

Very funny. I like he's just pining for the fjords.

lurking

He's resting.

Mickey

Well if he is dead then prove it to the world. Pakistan has much larger problems wihin its borders than anything we present. If they are not careful, the taliban hooligans will pressing for control and they will be a nuclear power - nice huh?
And who gives a damn about the whole torture hullabaloo anyway? If I could save American lives by pouring water on someones's face, any guesses what my answer would be?

lurking

I just love it; a belief based on no evidence. Man, I wish I could pull off that trick. Life would be a lot simpler.

interested

Another first 100 days accomplishment by Obama!

clarice

I think he's dead, too. So does Mark Steyn. And that's not enough for you, lurking?????
Gosh.

clarice

I'm pretty sure it was Steyn who said OBL is pushing up daisycutters.

lurking

Well, he's had renal failure for years. Field dialysis, abdominally, is possible but difficult. If he's dead, it was from peritonitis. Norwegian Blue Parrotinitis.

Fresh Air

Beautiful plumage, idn't?

LTC John

I have been convinced he has been Purina Vulture Chow for many years. The Afghans I worked with in 2004-2005 would get puzzled when anyone would ask about OBL - they would always say he was killed in 2001.

anduril

Before we go to far on this, I want to suggest TM's next post--since he hasn't done a Krugman post for some time now: Krugman Blasts Wall Street's Return To 2007 Comp Bonanza

Joe Biden

actually, we've been seeing a Korean clone of Obama in the videos. Either that or an amazingly lifelike Japanese robot Obama.

Cecil Turner

Well, if he ain't dead, he's been mighty inactive of late. Maybe just really tired? (Of course, it's hard to rule out fjord pining.)

MAS1916

Wait for the media to pin this 'accomplishment' as part of Obama's historic first hundred days!

Too bad Bin Laden may have missed the waterboarding party, though.

maryrose

Watch the dems try to take credit for his passing even if it happened years ago.

Jane

Well, if he ain't dead, he's been mighty inactive of late.

He too has been wowed by THE WON. He couldn't help himself.

Watch the dems try to take credit for his passing even if it happened years ago.

That goes without saying.

clarice

No--if it turns out he has been dead --probably at Bora Bora.. or thereafter--the left will claim Bush knew it and didn't tell us so he could continue his warmongering as if OBL was the reason we went to war and not the knowledge that we had a mad man with a WMD capacity in a volatile area of the world which controlled a critical petro supply amid a growing army of nutters willing to work with Saddam to cause us and an utterly corrupt and passive West enormous harm.

Old Lurker

"I just love it; a belief based on no evidence."

Well, Lurking, Libs and Dems have been doing that for years.

Steve

Interesting post... wouldn't surprise me...
COMMON CENTS
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

pagar

Libs and Dems have been doing that for years.

One of their most amazing "belief based on no evidence" is their reporting on any subject, but especially on any military action.
I ,first, really noticed it when Walter Cronkite was spreading his anti American propaganda about the Tet Offensive being a great win for the North Vietnamese, based on nothing but his desire for it to be true. America, of course, fell for it-hook, line and sinker.

PeterUK

It is obvious Osama bin Laden is dead,Obama isn't having talks with him.

narciso

But did they find him in Bolton, or Notlob
or Luton,(which has gotten quite a different
reputation since that sketch aired, thirty five years ago)It's a minor issue but is this the best time the ISI could make this announcement, a good opportunity for the One to say I won, and just bail on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Well being that he was in part a product of the ISI and Saudi General Intelligence's outreach efforts, kind of like college recruiting, this makes sense. In comparison to Hekmatyar and Haquanni, who had limited
effect, The Taliban's mullah Maulana Younis Khalis,seem to have been the mostsuccessful,
by current standards

speedstan

>> "If he's dead, it was from peritonitis. >> Norwegian Blue Parrotinitis."

> "Beautiful plumage, idn't?"

He's not dead... just resting... :O|

Daddy

OT just a bit.

Our Rush is time delayed a couple hours behind you guys, but I am just now hearing David Brooks of the NYTimes fawning like a lapdog to Charlie Rose about the transcendent brilliance of Obama. It is stomach churning stuff; the equivalent of 6th Grade wanna'-be teenyboppers at a Hannah Montana Concert. I already never take either of these guys seriously, but if you ever had any last ideas about Brooks possessing a shred of independent thought or an ounce of journalistic integrity, forget it. This guy is simply a cheerleader of whatever's popular amongst the Beltway "In Crowd."

In contrast, Dennis Prager just played Liz Cheney's excellent">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/26/liz-cheney-vs-norah-odonnell-the-tactics-are-not-torture/">excellent rebuttal of Nora O'Donnell's talking points last week, (which someone here posted earlier----thanks whoever did that). Well worth the listen, to see a person of conviction and intelligence ably stand and defend truth, in the face of the Media's sycophantic, populist opinion juggernaut. If the RNC doesn't take full advantage of Liz Cheney, it is less than useless.

MayBee

I have been convinced he has been Purina Vulture Chow for many years. The Afghans I worked with in 2004-2005 would get puzzled when anyone would ask about OBL - they would always say he was killed in 2001.

Please excuse my impeccable sourcing here, but--

I have a friend who has a friend in the Pentagon who is just CONVINCED the tall man to whom Afghans were paying homage when he got blasted by a Predator was OBL. Surely everyone remembers the reports. When was that? 2001 or 2002?

ben

Obviously this is a result of Obama's brilliant strategy. Not having the evil Bush to fight against, Osama was forced to terminate himself.

maryrose

I'm just waiting for dems and Obama to try and take credit for the succcess in Iraq after all of them Obama included voted against funding the surge...

narciso

Yes just like the Kamikazi Scotsman. Monty Python has transcended satire, because reaiity has failed the Phillip Roth test.

sbw

Hmmm. Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin...

Charlie (Colorado)

Hmmm. Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin...

It's an appealing thought SBW, but I think Sarah is straight.

Lord Whorfin

So now, we can get rid of the DHS and the "Other Janet" at the same time.

If The One really wanted to show bipartisanship, he would appoint Rudy Guiliani as DHS head.

Lord Whorfin

re:

Liz/Sarah

Why not two women in the top two places??

I like it, but then again, I'm on the DHS watch list (veteran) so what do I know?

Free Radical

Clarice: No--if it turns out he has been dead --probably at Bora Bora.. or thereafter

The 2004 video tape would seem to rule that out (OBL dead at Tora Bora.) The 2007 tape is a bit more sketchy, so salt it to taste.

Thomas Collins

I for one am more concerned about where the loyalties of the PAK army officers lie than whether Osama is currently swimming with the virgins. In particular, the loyalties of the officers with direct command responsibility over the troops.

If PAK goes Taliban, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Able Archer Crisis (which NATO apparently didn't know was a crisis until after the fact) will be walks in the park compared to what we will be facing.

clarice

Well, years ago I used to look at the original OBL tapes on Edward Jay Epstein's old site and it's clear not all were of OBL and not all were in appropriate order. I am not sure how much clipping and pasting was done on those and I sure think the audio tapes are even more suspect. The CIA ususally says they are "consistent" with OBL's voice, but I bet they are "consistent" with his son's voice, too and with old clips of his ramblings.

Maybe later I'll find the cite to those tapes--it is shockingly obvious when you see them together that someone was playing games.

clarice

Here--watch the stills from the videos and scroll thru this --you'll be surprised I think:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_photos.htm

And to tie up this thread and the "torture" thread of today here's some fascinating stuff suggesting the CIA interrogations may not have gotten all the truth out of the 9/11 plotters:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/SpanishConnection.htm

narciso

I remembered that particular section, which goes to show you, even how aggressive interrogation protocols don't solve the problem, as they are still able to obscure
some needed information

sbw

Charlie, heh!

Thomas Collins

Forgive the off topic, but I just have to give a big cheer for Mary Ann Glendon. See LUN.

matt

TC;

great post on Ms. Glendon. What amazed me were the comments by those who disagreed with her. The filth and vituperation of the Left is truly amazing sometimes.

How could Notre Dame expect her, with her track record, to stay silent? People may disagree about Catholicism and its effects, but the principle behind the decision was clearly stated and inarguable, unlike the university's own statement regarding the position of the president on the abortion issue.

matt

by the way, has anyone noticed that you never see BO and OBL in the same room together?

hit and run

Tapper (via twitter): "Fox will stick w primetime sked - "Lie to Me," with Tim Roth -- and not cover POTUS presser wed night."

As opposed to the other networks and cable news channels who will be showing "Lie to You," with President Obama.

clarice

Game, set, match, Mary.
Very classy response on her part I think.

Free Radical

Clarice,

No shocks at all, actually. 1 of the photos is 'odd' and 2 are 'silly.'

The 2004 video is not; I'm pretty darn sure that's OBL, and he gives 'proof of life' when he talks about Kerry being the Dem candidate.

This is the reason why the 2007 tape smells (of death...)- during the 'proof of life' sections, the video is frozen. This is frickin amateur hour at the video-dupe place- there is no way (IMO) that As-Sahab would allow such an error to stand.

So my point remains that OBL made it out of Tora Bora (which was reported by at least 1 witness, FWTW.)

It would NOT suprise me if OBL died in 2007, and the (bogus spliced) tape was rushed out to throw the unwary off the trail.

Rick Ballard

He's as alive as Citigroup or General Motors or Chrysler or AIG.

narciso

Speaking of Zombies, Portfolio with the poor dejected Matt Cooper, who I ran into at CPAC, just was shuttered up, the last issue included that slash and burn article on the Alaska Pipeline.

clarice

So he's out of work and separated (if not divorced) from the lovely Mandy. And Russert is dead. Hmmmmm that voodoo lady wasn't joshing me.

jimmyk

It's a lot easier to prove someone is alive than to prove he's dead. If he's alive, maybe this will draw him out.

In any case, if you play that 2007 video backwards you can distinctly hear the words "I buried OBL."

narciso

Which voodoo lady, Clarice?

matt

OT, but how about that NYC flyby today daddy? a 7-4 at 150' is quite the sight, especially when it's Air Force 1 and being tailed by an F-16.

I wonder who the knucklehead on this one is. This has to go at least to the SecDef's desk, I would assume.

Jane

Don't forget TC, Mary Ann Glendon was our representative to the vatican under President Bush and the woman who Joe Biden;s staff threaten to indict instead of confirm for failing to register as a foreign lobbyist because she did pro- bono work for catholic charities.

PeterUK

Osama is alive,he changed the second letter of his name and is hiding somewhere in the New World.

cathyf

First Things published Mary Ann Glendon's letter, and there servers promptly crashed. They came up after awhile, crashed later, and are back up for the moment. Gotta say that the woman's letter is just awesome.

cathyf
The 2004 video is not; I'm pretty darn sure that's OBL, and he gives 'proof of life' when he talks about Kerry being the Dem candidate.
No, the 2004 video is hinky. The camera is on the other side of the room from Osama, and the full beard and distance don't allow you to see if the lips moving match up to the sound. Yeah, it's Osama in the video, and the words were recorded in 2004, but there is no way to know that the video is of Osama saying those words.
clarice

Shhhh,narciso..shhhhh
matt, you calling that knucklehead Gates a knucklehead?

matt

either him or the knucklehead in chief

anduril

interesting:

Fire Louis Caldera, White House Terror Plane Plotter!

and

Terror Plane Video: "Oh God! It's A Hijacking!"

Charlie (Colorado)

Why not two women in the top two places??

Man, get your mind in the gutter. Sheesh.

matt

we should always trust the ISI

pagar

great post on Ms. Glendon. What amazed me were the comments by those who disagreed with her.

It looks to me like most of the left is trying to elevate a man, who apparently can't even find his birth certificate, to some kind of exalted status where everyone will be forced to bow down to him. The thing that really jumped out at me, was the absolute hatred many of the leftists displayed for the Christian religion.

PaulL

Liz Cheney's excellent rebuttal of Nora O'Donnell's

Thanks for linking, Daddy, as I had missed this before. Cheney was GREAT!

Somehow I had managed in life never having seen or heard Nora before.

Old Lurker

Speaking of Zombies (Rick above), per the Bloomberg LUN, the government's plan for GM appears to be to squeeze the bondholders and shareholders into owning 11% of the company, with 89% split between the Treasury (which will swap it's TARP loans for stock) and the UAW. Bondholders so far are not cooperating.

Now that's change you can believe in and reveals the shape of things to come...they hope. NOW can we dust off the dictionary definitions of socialism and fascism, and the other isms so we can lable ourselves properly?

clarice

I think the bondholders should refuse. They seem to be able to get a much better deal in bankruptcy--

Old Lurker

I think so too, Clarice. Plus I am bothered by the thugish favoritism shown by Treasury to the union's claims vs the rights of the others, and I wonder where Treasury gets off driving the show.

If they get away with this with GM, pity the banks, the utilities and soon the health care & insurance industries.

narciso

This is like to use a scifi metaphor, the deal Vader made with Lando, it didn't end well. Alfred Sloan is well, you know.

PD

If the RNC doesn't take full advantage of Liz Cheney, it is less than useless.

You might want to consider rephrasing that...

PD

And while I'm on the topic of reading things into innocent comments:

It amazes me how often, when a female guest is on TV for an interview, and the host thanks her at the end of the segment, she replies, "Thanks for having me."


Pofarmer

If the RNC doesn't take full advantage of Liz Cheney, it is less than useless.

You might want to consider rephrasing that...

Yep.

MayBee

PD!!!

lurking

Maybe she doesn't want to be Palinated. These progs are such pond scum.

sbw

Palianated - Past participle of the verb "palianate". Astroturfed (Axelturfed) with false "facts" in such volume that a voter no longer knows what to believe.

sbw

Palienate?

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